At 12:04 PM 6/24/2002 -0700, you wrote: >allowed. I would think that the Forest Service would >want any volunteer who is capable of using a shovel >for a few hours. It is really safety issue. Having untrained people out there is really more dangerous than helpful. There are things that volunteers can do, but I would not want them out on the front lines of a fire. When I was fighting fires in Idaho, we would regularly "draft" loggers into service but they were there for one thing only, to man a chain saw and fall whatever trees we told them to. We also had National Guard from time to time, but even though the meant well, I always hated having them there. They had a real problem taking direction from people other than military, and they were not trained on how to really fight a fire. The worst thing that ever happened to us was when we had a really big fire and they were so desperate for bodies that they hired anyone that they could find. We ended up with 200 people literally overnight that had never been on a forest fire. We had a lot of people hurt that first day and the helicopters were more busy evacuating injured people instead of dropping water where needed. As I said, there are a lot of things that volunteers and untrained people can do. We would have them delivering food and water to the front line guys. They would drive the "6-pack" crew trucks to move crews from one place to another. We would also have people like logging truck drivers and chip truck drivers driving tanker trucks back and forth to deliver fire fighting water. We even had them doing things like sharpening chain saws and hand tools. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache