At 10:10 AM 6/13/2002 -0700, you wrote: >The best I have seen, that work the best are the magnetic key holders. I gave the mechanism of how they stay closed a little thought and decided that since they are fairly easy urban caches I would just plan on replacing the cans from time to time. I am still working a little on the magnets. Both that I have out right now use rare earth magnets held on with JB Weld. I have reports that the magnet has already come off of one of my caches but the magnet is strong enough to still hold it in place. I think my problem is that the altoid can surface is very smooth and I might need to "rough" it up some so I have more surface area for the glue to adhere to. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache