I agree with Loran that finding something shouldn't take TOO much time and effort. Not referring to any cache in particular, I find that ANY cache that requires too much time and effort is not worth pursuing, so I just ignore it. I would suggest that you do the same. There's no reason to have to find EVERY single cache out there. After more than 45 minutes of searching for Ya Skala, I just gave up, and with the constant parade of people walking by there, I decided I would NOT try searching for that one again. With over 15,000 active caches in the world, I believe a few can be skipped. Just my .02 $ worth. Mike (Malthusian) At 10:36:14 -0700 6/3/02, Loran wrote: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why use work emails at geocaching.com? >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 > >frustration!!! > >I have personally checked out 4 grocery stores, 2 office product stores, 2 >variety stores, and one drug store chain. With only a close product match >I'm running out of stores. Finding a cache item should not take many hours >and miles. > >Just my opinion. > >Team Sand Dollar > >