At 05:33 PM 5/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: Off topic to geocaching, but I still think of great interest to those of us that love the outdoors. >1) Lightning is the usual cause of a 'natural wildfire'. When I was fighting fire I would guess that about 80 to 85 percent of all our fires were lightning caused. For the most part others were accidental fires caused by logging operations. >2) If someone is found to have caused a fire, they are subject to criminal >charges, but what's worse is they are liable in civil court for the >suppression costs of a fire. The cost of even a 'small' 40 acre fire can >easily cost several thousand dollars to suppress. I worked for the Clearwater-Potlatch Timber Protective Association www.cptpa.com which would contract with land owners, including the Forest Service for fire prevention and suppression. They would pay for their contract and then get a bill for actual costs associated with fighting the fire. As you said, normally thousands and thousands of dollars for even small sub-acre fires depending on where they were located. If the land owner could find out who caused the fire they could collect that way, but it was very rare. >7) As Scott mentions, more severe fire restrictions are in effect on the >Coronado now, and a Forest Closure is not far off. I suspect other Forests >(and other agencies) will follow suit soon. I really hate to see the closure of the forest, but on the other hand I can understand it. I really wish we would get some rain so that it wouldn't be an issue. I went down to Madera Canyon a couple weeks ago to find "Hang Em High" and was shocked to see how dry it was down there. >rainfall. Fuel moistures have to come up and that always lags the rain, >i.e. the wood has to soak up some of that moisture. I just read an article about El Nino coming back this year and that they are predicting a much drier summer thunderstorm season than normal. I would hate to see a lot of lightning with out first getting the rain to offset the strikes. If that is the case it could really limit a lot of geocaching activity in Arizona. Scott Team My Blue Heaven www.myblueheaven.com/geocache