Scott > Geez, and just when we thought we might finally beat Loran to a first! ;) You could try "Musicbox" by n4/c . I went out there today and couldn't find it. But then again this is only my third no find and the other two where not at the coordinates so I couldn't find them. So is it really there at the coordinates listed. Loran (Team Sand Dollar) I was thinking of doing Bronco Butte or Let me Breath for #300. I'm only 15 away. Interested? ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Nicol To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Bass Ackwards Cache > >From: "Hap McDaniel" > >To: arizcowboy@hotmail.com > >Subject: Re: ropingthewind contacting you from Geocaching.com > >Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:10:38 -0700 > > > >Hi Scott, > >Bass Ackwards is no longer there. Sorry. NPS did'nt like it. > > hap > > > >Hap McDaniel > >Phoenix AZ USA > >602-909-8672 > >n.33.51559 > >w.112.12347 > >happeninghap@hotmail.com > >www.geocities.com/happeninghaps > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Howdy AZ geocachers, > > Some sad news as I awake this morning to read my emails. Above is the email > from Hap McDaniel in response to my email to him about the Bass Ackwards > Cache. You know, the cache that is over 530 days old without a find! That is > the official news from the cache owners mouth. > > Am I the first geocacher to actually inquire to the cache owner about this > cache? Team Ropingthewind has been planning and plotting for a couple of > weeks now for an attempt at this cache this upcoming weekend. But, we can > rest now! We have wanted to do it for several months now but the North Rim > of the Grand Canyon is closed for the winter and didnt reopen until May > 10th. We hoped to do it last weekend, but, business changed our plans. So, > this was to be the weekend. > > For those wishing to know... there was a trail to the cache. North Bass > Trail. It appears to be a little used trail. I sent another email to inquire > about the condition of that trail, but, havent gotten a response as of yet. > That was still our big question. Where did the trailhead start and could we > drive to it? The cache appeared to be only about 400' off the trail > (according to my mapping software). No permits were needed except for > overnight stays (backcountry permit). It is possible to hike to the bottom > of the canyon and back up in one LONG day. I have done it (even though the > National Park says over and over on it's web site that it shouldnt be > attempted). Day hiking did not require a permit. Just a park entrance fee. > > Geez, and just when we thought we might finally beat Loran to a first! ;) > > Well, I am kinda bummed. We were excited about possibly being the first to > that cache. We are only 4 caches away from the big #200 and we were hoping > to make Bass Ackwards #200! Hmm. Maybe Bronco Butte? > > I wonder why no one else ever even inquired about this cache to the cache > owner? I wonder why it was never archived? It appears the cache owner works > for the NPS? It appears there are 2 other caches in the canyon. One near the > bottom of the Bright Angel Trail (perhaps?). I wonder what the status of > those caches are since the NPS does not allow caches on their land? > > A question to ponder: if a cache is found at least once every 24 hours, does > that make it not abandoned property? If I remember from a past post on the > list here, someone said the NP does not allow caches because they consider > it abandoned property and property cannot remained unattended for more than > 24 hours (or something like that). SO, if someone places a cache on NP land > that is pretty easily accessible and close to a city (like Saguaro NP in > Tucson), as long as there was a daily found log on that cache, would the NP > service be in the wrong to remove it (for at least as long as it remains > found on a daily basis)? This probably isnt realistic though. But, just > pondering a question. There might just be a loophole here! > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > _______________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com