Larry, Nope you're right, I mixed in the Terrain Navigator info with the Garmin info. I've probably confused everyone, but attempt to clarify to Scott and anyone interested in buying Garmin GPS and maps: 1. Garmin topo maps are Garmin Mapsource. Exclusively. The maps can be loaded to Garmin Emap, Vista(?) (and a few others). Only Garmin topo maps load into Garmin GPSs. 2. Other topo maps can load waypoints, routes and tracks (but not maps) into Garmin GPS. 3. Larry uses Delorme Topo, on 8 CD for AZ. I use Terrain navigator on 9 CDs. There are many others. 4. Garmin Topo Mapsource is 3 CDs: East, West and Alaska/Hawaii. Includes all topo maps. There are also international maps, road and rec, and street atlas software available from Garmin. 5. According to Larry, all 153 maps in AZ on Garmin's mapsource consumes 30MB of memory. So approximate about 5 topo maps per MB of memory (8MB would allow about 40 topo maps, or about 1/4 of the state. If you got a Garmin with 32MB of memory, you should be able to fit the maps for the entire state of AZ on the GPS. Thanks - Rob Team CHUMP -----Original Message----- From: Farquhar, Larry [mailto:larry.farquhar@ipni.com] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 11:00 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Garmin Mapsource for Etrex Legend or Vista Robert, Are we talking about the same software? Garmin's MapSource line of software used by Garmin GPS'? It wouldn't be the first time I've misunderstood something (right Trisha?), but Mapsource will only transfer information to a Garmin GPS. There isn't an option for a NMEA transfer to any other brand. Mapsource automatically detects what model of Garmin GPS your using and the version of the software in the GPS. Other brands of software will transfer NMEA information to/from the Garmin, but mapsource can't transfer with any other brand. My Mapsouce Topo maps are only 4 CD's for the ENTIRE USA. (East Coast, West Coast, Alaska, and Hawaii). When you select maps to be imported into the GPS, the file size is provided. The program will even report if you exceed the installed memory that it automatically detects. Selecting all 153 topo maps that cover the entire state of Arizona consumes 30.8MB of memory. My "Delorme" 3D Topo for Arizona takes 8 CD's. Okay Trisha, tell me where I'm messing up again at. :) Larry Farquhar Team "Wyle E" www.happy-wanderers.com -----Original Message----- From: Bell, Robert [mailto:Robert.Bell@eclipsys.com] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:35 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Garmin Mapsource for Etrex Legend or Vista Scott - yes, the Garmin topos do go to 1:100,000. The maps are older but still useful. Garmin does sell proprietary software, so while I believe (although haven't tried) you should be able to exchange and plot NMEA info, but markers and specific non-coordinate data would not exchange unless you use Garmin software. That is not Etrex specific by the way, but Garmin specific. Maps fall into that category as well obviously. Garmin only works with Garmin, surprise, surprise. (FYI, you may remember I use the etrex summit) I have borrowed a eMap and can tell you that on average, the Garmin maps for AZ are about 500MB in size. You can fit about 1 CD of the state of AZ on at a time (there are 7 maps to topo AZ in this software). Some of the newer Garmins have more memory, but I think you can sort of rule of thumb 8 MB to 1 CD for Garmin. If you are at the Georally, I can show you some of these features, I have the topos loaded on my laptop and use that with the GPS connected for real time locator (make your own Northstar basically), until I purchase an emap, rhino, or equivalent. It's pretty slick. You can download from Snaptek (thanks guys!) all the cache waypoints and plot as well as your own waypoints in less than a minute. It's a real timesaver. Rob Team CHUMP P.S. I passed you on the stats page this am! :D (grin) (if only for a day or two) -----Original Message----- From: Scott Nicol [mailto:arizcowboy@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:59 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Garmin Mapsource for Etrex Legend or Vista Howdy All, Speaking of software... Is anyone using the Garmin Mapsource CD software with their garmin Etrex (legend or vista) GPS? I hear it is the 1:100,000th scale. (7.5' topo's are 1:24,000th). What I am wondering is... does the software, when downloaded, look exactly like the real 1:100,000th topos? I have been curious to here some 'reviews' on it as I am looking to purchase mapping software so I can put some topo maps in my Etrex Legend. I have also heard that the Garmin Etrex (or other Garmins) only except downloaded maps from Garmin's Mapsource? Is this true? I have heard I can use other mapping software to download waypoints and routes and stuff, but, only Mapsoure will actually download maps. Finally.. are there any other Etrex Legend or Vista users out there that have the Mapsource (or other if so) topo maps in their GPS's? Exactly how much is 8MB of maps? Is that enough for the whole state of AZ or only a given area? Thanks! 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