Tell me about it. That locutus thing really got to me when I was in Austin. Story goes I went searching for it on a multi-stage cache that I really didn't have time to complete and did't know the area well enough to do but spent a week of my three week business trip/geocaching trip figuring it out just so I could get this travel thing and bring it back to Phoenix in February. Well I finally solved this multi-stager only to find the stupid thing was gone and had been gove for TWO WEEKS!!! The nice people who moved it didn't log it on the geocaching.com website, they only put it in the log book. Because I usually don't read all the logs in the log books I didn't know that until I got a nasty email from them in response to the MIA post that I put on the Locutus cache page. Now it looks like it made it to Phoenix after all only to have the same thing happen. These traveling caches and travel bugs with there own pages only work if the people log them when they find them. If people wait and log them when they feel like it then people like me (who lets people know what I think of them when I get nasty emails) gets a little upset ;). If people find these things they should respect the other cachers that might go looking for it enough that they post that they have taken them or re-hid them ASAP, no exceptions. Michael Team TJ ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Scott Nicol" Reply-To: az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com To: az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] What do you think of this idea? Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:16:38 -0800 HHHMMM. I like it and I don't like it. I like the concept behind the moving cache. Sounds like fun. What I dont like about it is the fact that several other cachers could go looking for it before the last finder can get to a computer to log the find. I have seen many caches around here that have had several visits in one day. Usually, each time a find is had, it usually doesnt get posted until later that day or even that night. I sometimes will get a cache while driving across town or whatever and will not get to log it until I get home. That could be several hours or all day. We went up to the Payson area last weekend and didnt log those finds until nearly midnight that night. So, with that said.. I dont like it. I don't like the idea of going after a cache and not finding it simply because it isn't there. There is a travel bug/cache here in PHX called Locutus of Borg. I guess, from what I can tell, it is a travel bug that is displayed on geocaching.com as a cache. Once the last cacher finds it, they log it and the coords of the next cache it is placed in becomes the new coords and thus the new cache. (I think this is how geocaching.com used to move travel bugs and now TB's have their own pages). The reason I bring this cache up is because it is currently not active. Yet, still shows up as a cache that is available for a find (it is in papago park and is the present site of the Sign of the Past cache). The last finder apparently didn't place the travel bug in another cache. Either that, or they didnt post that they did place it in another cache. Once placed elsewhere, that 'cache' location should archive. It hasnt as of yet. The same thing could happen with this traveling cache. It could sit in someone's hands for a while and not be logged. In the meantime, other cachers are going looking for something that isn't there. It is kinda like the Wyle E operative TB's. You see it posted in a cache and so you go to that cache hoping to get the TB. Unfortunately, someone already got to it before you could. All is not lost though, there is still a cache there to log into (unless you have already been to that cache, I guess). I have not gone after a Wyle operative yet. I am waiting until one is placed in a cache I havent found yet. I might then quickly go out and try and get it and log another new find. I don't want to go back to a cache I have already been to (unless it is right near my house). (I do think that the Wyle A B C D Operatives are a cool idea for getting the clues for a cache!). Otherwise, the idea of the cache sounds like a fun new idea. Worth a try? I guess so. Everything has to have a first try. The one good thing about this traveling cache is that the same person can continually find it and thus log another cache find! (however, is it possible someone could hide it and then 'find' it again next and keep logging finds?!) Perhaps we can watch this cache and see how it progresses. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com