Wow this is probably going to end up like the AZVJC messageboard a few day ago eh Larry? For those of you that don't know the Arizona Virtual Jeep Club is basicly just what the name says. Its always been a free club from the begging, and is basicly a way for Yellow Jeeps to get together to plan the take over of the world. Latley some people have been talking about incorporating the club and charging money....what a flame war that started!! Truth is if they start charging to geocache then another wanna be geocaching website will take over. Why pay when you can go to a different geocaching website and do the same thing? I'm not saying thats what I would do. I have the t-shirt, hat, window sticker, etc..etc..etc.. that supports the geocaching website. Michael Team TJ ----Original Message Follows---- Here's what Jeremy himself posted on the discussion boards: As Jake.Hazelip and JamieZ indicated (as well as some others), traditional geocaching itself will never be a pay to play service. There were some realistic reasons to decide to do a subscription service. First, the cost of servers are getting to the point that out of pocket costs and shirt sales no longer support it. As the FAQ said on the subscription page, we're up to 4 machines in production, not counting these forums (hosted by Killerlink), as well as a new mailserver and 2 dev servers. We're even maxing out our bandwidth, so we'll have to pay for more, which isn't pretty either. To offset these costs, a subscription service over using annoying mega size ads and popunder ads seemed like a good option. The other issue, that I haven't addressed on the subscription page, is that some folks have become targets by anonymous troublemakers that like to destroy individual's caches. Subscription only caches will allow you to audit your cache to see who looked at your cache page and when. In addition, a certain amount of anonymity goes away when you subscribe, so troublemakers will either not bother subscribing or be scared to subscribe since they are no longer anonymous. In addition to these two reasons, I will also be creating new geolocational entertainment services in the future that will be handled by the subscription service. Becoming a charter member now means you'll be locked in at the same rate throughout, which is always a good thing. Ultimately, we'd like to do this full time, and we need to eat. So it has to come from somewhere. And believe me, this has become more than a 1 person job. _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list Az-Geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com http://listserv.snaptek.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com