Unfortunately, Larry makes a good point.  If we do this, perhaps it would
be best to "just do it" without contacting the FS.  I can't imagine any
Forest staff objecting to a  few trucks moving trash out of the Forest. 
The problem would be that we'd need to make a direct trip to a landfill
to dump the stuff, unlike just leaving it for the FS to dispose as would
be the case if we did it officially with them..  I still think it's a
good idea even without any side benefits to geocaching.  Has anyone
driven down the road to Sugarloaf Mountain opposite the Four Peaks Road? 
That alone would keep us busy for years. 

Jerry-Offtrail


On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:19:46 -0700 lfar@cox.net writes:
> I'm all for cleaning up the forest and desert! We routinely help with 
> Jeep
> clubs on cleanups. I've noticed a big difference lately at the Usery 
> Pass
> gate to Bulldog canyon. Someone has been trying to cleanup the trash 
> (looks
> like they're burning it).
> 
> However, I'd be VERY concerned if we emphasized geocaching. I'm 
> afraid of
> what the NFS will say. To some, a geocache is considered 
> "abandoned"
> property (trash). Currently, I think most of us have been doing a 
> "don't
> ask, don't tell" policy. If we tell (ask), we may not like the 
> answer.
> 
> Larry Farquhar
> Team "Wyle E"
> www.azjeeper.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> JeepNAz@aol.com
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> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Trash in Tonto
> 
> 
> I also think this is a great idea as well as a good PR move....we 
> dont want
> the NFS to start treating geocachers like the NPS does. However my 
> thoughts
> are that this is a bigger problem then 1 event cache can solve. The 
> article
> states that their "Crews will pick up everything on a Sat...  the 
> next day
> it
> looks like no one cleaned that area in six months". Perhaps a long 
> term
> "Cache in Trash out" type of cache might be a good idea in addition 
> to an
> event cache for initial cleanup? Maybe one in each Ranger Dist ( 
> Cave Creek
> And Mesa ) .
> Just some thoughts...we will participate in whatever is decided 
> date
> allowing.
> Norm...Team JeepNAz
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