Scott, I'm the opposite of Jerry as I'm a Rush Limbaugh-listening, big-mouthed, let's open up the Alaska wilderness, pro-NRA conservative. Yet, I agree with most of what Jerry states about where and how to place caches. I think all caches should be placed in places such that the influx of geocachers doesn't harm the area or bring unwanted attention to our hobby. A cache should be placed in places such that if I can't find it, me tossing rocks out of the way won't harm the area. I think caches should be placed as close as posible to established trails so that new trails aren't created by cache seekers. Of the 91 caches I've found in AZ, only 2 caches I question the placement of. -srdrake