Like I said Stephen I really don't care about peoples opinion I just want our information down. Of course how many caches someone finds is public information but when its all grouped into one website with how many you find each day, per week, per month, and what your "cache carma" is along with other things then that crosses the line. Also CBX2 is very correct, the stats are probably a great thing if you want to be included in them, we don't. I really am not trying to be difficult here, I just want our privacy respected. Everyone geocaches for their own reason and stats is not part of ours. It really does make it not fun for us. We used to be huge Geocachers, probably found 5-10 every week, but around mid-October we just stopped. It was because of the contest that we feel the stats have made it out to be and how everyone could basically watch us from the web. Stephens proves that. Also Stephens post points out how much of a contest this can be and how "big brother" really does come into all of this. So I'm not saying the stats are bad, just bad for us. I also thing this email group is great, we still get out to Arizona about once every two months so its nice to know what's going on and how our old friends are doing. I've met most of you guys and get along with you all so I apologize for being difficult but its just one of those things we want no part of and now its really crossed the line. Michael ----Original Message Follows---- My opinion is if you don't like the stats, then don't look at them. And I don't see how it's personal information how many you did and when. (Everyone can see that I did 6 on Saturday and 3 on Sunday, oh no!!!!) In fact, I've found the stats a big help because it's helped me organize groups of caches to do by seeing what others have done on the same day. Assuming the information is correct, I looked at the number of AZ caches completed since November 1st for the Top 10 people according to Snaptek's AZ rankings (what the website told me as of about 7 PM yesterday): 1. n4/c = 80 2. srdrake = 62 3. trail gypsy = 60 4. wyle e = 54 5. cache-quest = 47 6. mike the mutant = 36 7. cbx2 = 33 8. bob renner = 29 9. wolfb8 = 13 10. team tj = 0 (I didn't look at caches done since 11/1 for those not in the current Top 10.) The caveat is that I began geocaching on 11/22 and n4/c around the beginning of November. We have been able to go after a lot of the easy urban ones that the more experienced have gone after prior to November. I think it would be interesting if the Snaptek site would (besides the overall totals), provide totals for the current month. We could see who's currently possessing the most obsessive-compulsive geocaching habits at the moment. One thing interesting about Wyle E's geocaching habits... In achieving a total of 210, they/he has never done more than 7 caches in one day. (I may have missed a bigger day.) That is slow, steady commitment to this hobby. My only complaint about the stats is that it shows caches "not completed," which could influence someone choosing not to log a "can't find" log. As it is, I believe most geocachers only log their successes and not their attempts (which would be helpful to all of us). -Stephen _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list Az-Geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com http://listserv.snaptek.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Michael Fleigle Http://members.xoom.com/Fleg _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com