I don't think putting the coordinates on the second sign with an engraver or anything else is going to help. If someone is purposely removing them, they can scratch the engraved numbers off as well. I suggested to Rats that they relocate waypoint 2 to a different location in the general area. A new sign someplace different. Then change the numbers on waypoint 1 to match. This should fix the problem. We'll have to see if they want to do this and un-archive their cache or not. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Cody Brown [mailto:cbrown@triumphairrepair.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:38 PM To: 'az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Rats nest I've got an engraver that would work nicely. Cody Team CBX2 -----Original Message----- From: Baja Fleg [mailto:fleigle@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:44 AM To: az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Rats nest We went to it last night but someone had intentionally erased the lat/lons from the second hint. You can just make out the first couple of numbers on the lower left side of the hint when looking at the back of it. Our set of nice thick, black, block numbers are gone all together. The co-ordinates were still on the first hint but are off by almost 500 feet. The cache was still there but someone had made it rather difficult to open but this did not seam to be done on purpose like the erasing of the co-ordinates. So what does everyone thing about finding the same cache twice? Fleg Team TJ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list Az-Geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com http://listserv.snaptek.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list Az-Geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com http://listserv.snaptek.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching