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Apparently there were ALRs being created (in other areas) that did not
relate in any way to Geocaching.<br>
So, by the new section, it seems that <i>Geocaching related challenges</i>
are acceptable.<br>
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ACM<br>
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AZTech wrote:
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cite="mid:ea3a710c0904051557g1d7517c3he5501af0b6e58b08@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Well, I didn't recall seeing it before, but figured it had
been added in previously because it doesn't seem to make much sense to
have it given that ALRs are not binding. <br>
<br>
So, again, my original, unanswered question, why have any ALRs at all?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 3:44 PM, ShadowAce <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://shadowace.az">shadowace.az</a>@<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://gmail.com">gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">They
did not remove that section because that section did not exist until
the changes this week.<br>
<br>
That section "<i>Challenge caches incorporate special logging
requirements and are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they
require the seeker to have previously met a reasonable
geocaching-related qualification (Waymarking and Wherigo qualify too,
of course) such as first finding a cache in every county in your state.
If you are thinking of creating such a cache, please include a note to
the reviewer demonstrating either that you have met the challenge
yourself, or that a substantial number of other geocachers would be
able to do so." </i>was just created, so removing it would be a fairly
odd choice.<br>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/5/09, <b
class="gmail_sendername">AZTech</b> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:aztech.gc@gmail.com" target="_blank">aztech.gc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I
agree. Everyone plays the game according to their own preferences,
whether it be going after only tough hikes, difficult puzzles or simply
logging as many finds as possible, so this just limits our options.
I'm especially surprised that they opted not to grandfather existing
caches and instead made the change retroactive.<br>
<br>
While TPTB were updating the guidelines, I was surprised to see that
they didn't remove the following section from the guidelines for
Mystery or Puzzle Caches:<br>
<br>
<i>Challenge caches incorporate special logging requirements and
are listed as Mystery/Puzzle caches. Typically they require the seeker
to have previously met a reasonable geocaching-related qualification
(Waymarking and Wherigo qualify too, of course) such as first finding a
cache in every county in your state. If you are thinking of creating
such a cache, please include a note to the reviewer demonstrating
either that you have met the challenge yourself, or that a substantial
number of other geocachers would be able to do so.</i><br>
<br>
In light of the new guideline, that <i>"Cache finders can choose
whether or not to attempt or accomplish optional tasks"</i>, what's the
purpose of putting out a challenge cache if cachers aren't required to
complete the challenge to log the find? Why have any ALRs at all?
<div><span><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 9:33 AM, MEL
HOCKWITT <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:melhockwitt@msn.com" target="_blank">melhockwitt@msn.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Looks like taking the fun out of caching is on the way.
Too many rules have killed many an organization and put bad tastes in
the mouths of the members.</div>
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<div>My thoughts.</div>
<div>Mel</div>
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[Az-Geocaching] Helping to spread the word ...</div>
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Alternate Logging Requirements No longer allowed.<br>
<br>
So Any cache listed as a ? with Alternate Logging Requirements needs be
altered or archived because "You must find and prove you have found 40
caches on a Friday" is now changed to "come find my cache, sign the log
and claim a find"<br>
<br>
Please make sure you note the changes to the guidelines dates April
2009:<br>
<br>
<ol type="1">
<li value="3"><b>A section called <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#loggingofallcaches"
href="http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#loggingofallcaches"
target="_blank">Logging of All Physical Caches</a> has been added to
the guidelines.</b> </li>
</ol>
<div>QUOTE</div>
Geocaches can be logged online as Found once the physical log has been
signed.<br>
<br>
If it is appropriate for your cache location or theme, you may ask the
cache seeker to accomplish an optional and simple task, either close to
the cache site (normally within 0.1 miles or 161 meters) or when
writing their online log. For example, wear the goofy hat inside the
cache container and upload a photograph. Cache finders can choose
whether or not to attempt or accomplish optional tasks. Cache owners
may not delete the cache seeker's log based solely on optional tasks.<br>
<br>
This guideline change applies immediately to all logs written from
April 4, 2009 and going forward. Older caches with "additional logging
requirements" (ALRs) are not grandfathered under the older guideline.
If you own an existing cache with mandatory additional logging
requirements, we request that you:<br>
<ul>
<li>Cease deleting logs based on additional logging
requirements. </li>
<li>Review your own cache listing to see if the ALR can be
made into an optional and simple task, or whether it must be removed
altogether. </li>
<li>Adjust your geocache listing by editing the text then
contact a reviewer to change the cache type, if appropriate.</li>
</ul>
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