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<DIV>Steven....................I don't know how much clearer I can make this. I
usually do IGNORE those types of caches and don't tend to seek them. It's not
like I seek these types of caches and then complain about them. I can't say
I never do them, but if I know where and what type of cache it is, I usually
ignore them. I too, have time constraints, as most of us do. My post is
directed at those who are just plain too lazy to get off their butts. My
opinion is just as valuable as yours, and I tend to wonder why some of these
same people have enough time to spend HOURS trying to solve a puzzle cache, but
don't have time to get out and about. If that's what you choose to do, then have
at it. And for those puzzle cachers out there, I'm not belittling puzzle caches.
All I'm hoping to do is motivate some of you into placing a few caches
in spots other than community parks , parking lots, etc. If you choose to love
those types of caches, that's fine. I don't, and hope I've made my point of view
clear.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
title=mailto:steve@stringhams.org href="mailto:steve@stringhams.org">Steven
Stringham</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:59
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why I became
a Premium Member</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>That is just it. I have taken the kids and found caches with a
view. It is a wonderful experience. And, yes, I have met cachers out in the
boonies. And hope to again. Yes, maybe even yourself.<BR><BR>But, I have also
had some fun moments finding caches under the park bench, etc. And, met
cachers there too.<BR><BR>Just because YOU don't enjoy it, does not mean
someone else does not either. That is the joy of being able to have an
opinion, emotions, feelings, etc. If you are not interested in finding the
cache in a particular location (assuming no serious rules violation), just
ignore it, and go on. That is a choice you can make.<BR><BR>Also, please don't
equate lack of time/resources/equipment/etc. with being lazy. Time is in
very limited supply. Each of us may be allocated the same amount each day, but
we are not allocated the same constraints or priorities. <BR><BR><BR>PATRICK
FINLEY wrote:
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<DIV>I don't remember saying anything about folks needing to play this
game/hobby/sport (definitely not a sport, in MY opinion) the same way I do,
or it's not the correct way to do it. What I'm saying is, SOME people
place caches in urban places under the guise of either not having the
time/resources/equipment/etc., when the real reason is, that they're too
LAZY to either place or seek a cache in a more desirable (in MY opinion)
location. I don't understand what kind of enjoyment somebody derives
from finding an Altoids container in a bush at the mall. When somebody
questions this type of geocaching, many of you folks get up in arms and
defensive. I guess I must have struck a nerve with some of you. Good! Maybe
some of you will consider putting a little more effort into hiding your
caches in the future. If you truly want to have a family "bonding"
experience, take the kids and the dog on a ride in our beautiful desert or
mountains and find a cache with a view, instead of the parking lot at
Wal-mart or the back wall of Walgreens. As I've said before, some of the
cachers around here, take this game/hobby way too seriously. Others use it a
social network, but that's another topic to peruse. Anyway, if you enjoy
your Circle K caches, have at it, and don't let ME threaten you're caching
world. Maybe I'll get the chance to meet some of you out in the boonies,
someday. Naw, probably not................</DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mailto:steve@stringhams.org href="mailto:steve@stringhams.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Steven Stringham</A> </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B>
<A title=mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B>
Monday, December 29, 2008 9:18 PM</DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B>
Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why I became a Premium Member</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>ACM, I do believe I was reacting to AZPaul's reaction to
Finley's post, not to Regan's post. Fish may not have said it, but Finley
did.<BR><BR>"I think many urban park/parking lot/electrical
boxes/sprinkler head cachers use the excuse that these caches are hidden
for those who just can't do the hiking or off-road caches due to physical
limitations, wrong vehicle, or time constraints. That's
baloney. I feel empathy for those who really are handicapped, but
that group of cachers is a very small minority of the total caching
crowd. "<BR><BR><BR><BR>AZcachemeister wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:49596BDE.8050600@getnet.net type="cite">Whoa!
<BIG><BIG>Whoa!</BIG></BIG>
<BIG><BIG><BIG>WHOA!<BR><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL>Y'all are goin' WAY off on
another tangent totally unrelated to the ORIGINAL POST!<BR><BR>The FISH
did not say anything about micros vs. regulars.<BR>The FISH did not
compare the relative worthyness of urban vs. rural.<BR>The FISH
did not even comment on the issue of so many monotimeous hides in parks
that all seem the same.<BR><BR>HMMM! So what is the FISH really
saying?<BR>Have another read. We'll wait.<BR><BR>Meanwhile, I will point
out that the IGNORE button is only helpful (and really only necessary)
if you are a Premium Member.<BR>The BUTTON only allows one to keep
certain distasteful cache listings (whatever that might be to you) out
of ones Pocket Query, those caches will still be displayed on maps and
in lists one might view online.<BR><BR>You are welcome, Mr.
FISH!<BR><BR>ACM<BR></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></BIG>
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<BIG><BIG><BIG><SMALL><SMALL><SMALL><BR></SMALL></SMALL></SMALL></BIG></BIG></BIG><BR>Regan
Smith wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:4956794F.1090805@cox.net type="cite">Ya Know I
really didn't want to pay for a Premium Membership, as for the many
years prior Geocaching was about the Geo taking the GPS putting in
coordinates and finding a cache outside..<BR><BR>Now as if a bad
plague I felt it very necessary for me to pay to Ignore armchair
caching, Have all the good stand alone caching locations been taken
that you have to add sitting infront of the computer playing math and
phone games before going out to enjoy the outdoors. Has climate change
done so much to ruin wanting to spend time outside????<BR><BR>When
Dave Ulmer hid his cache he said come and find it, now how many take
the trip to see that spot??.. Yes times change but the principle of
here is a cache and go find it should not be
perverted.<BR><BR><BR>I was told by Alex months ago if you do not like
that type of hide why hide one like it? I so want to hide a more
devious cache page cache so all the minority cachers can bitch and
moan at their lack of understanding my logic but will not pervert the
game any more. but the lock and cable will remain....<BR><BR>Just like
giving the challenge to a few other cacher about stepping up their
game I will add now Keep it up.<BR><BR><BR>Thanks ACM for the
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