<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Big round of applause to what they wrote. I agree with Steve Stringham and AzPaul.<br><br><div><div><div><div><div>Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking</div><div><font color="#6633cc"></font> </div><div><font color="#6633cc">Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes<br> On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:<br>"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --<br> "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"</font></div><div></div><div><font color="#6633cc"></font> </div><div></div><div><font color="#6633cc">Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898</font></div></div></div></div></div><br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 12/29/08, Steven Stringham <i><steve@stringhams.org></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);
margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Steven Stringham <steve@stringhams.org><br>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Why I became a Premium Member<br>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 9:47 AM<br><br><div id="yiv1226973958">
Hear, hear. <br>
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While I have found my share of urban caches, I also have found a few
(much fewer) rural/wilderness caches. I have found enjoyment in both.
Some caches are urban, some wilderness. I have found both to be of
interest. <br>
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I have placed both types. I get thanks for both.<br>
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Just because you have time/desire/funds/vehicles/resources/etc. to go
out into the wilderness for your caches, does not mean the next cacher
does. When the opportunities present themselves, or plans are able to
make it a choice, I love to go get the more rural/remote cache. They
are of great interest to me. But, due to other my
time/resource/priority constraints, I am not able to go get them every
weekend/day. Am I not to be able to go get the local cache challenge?
Yes, some of them are less challenging than others. So what? <br>
<br>
Please remember, as enjoyable as this sport/hobby/game is, it is not
the be all and end all of life. Family (wife, kids, parents etc.) do
take a higher priority. Work/church needs to be attended to. Caching is
a fun way to enhance life, not take it over.<br>
<br>
Steven Stringham<br>
StringCachers<br>
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<pre>Oh hell, here we go again. It seems that we just had this discussion <br>last week. I don't know why some cachers think that the way they play <br>the game is the only way to play it. If you don't like urban caches than <br>don't do them, its that simple.<br><br>Besides, who are we to say which caches have value or not. If a cache <br>has given a cacher some fun and enjoyment finding it, then it has value.<br><br>AZPAUL<br><br> ----- Arizona Geocaching -----<br>----- Where difficulty is measured in degrees -----<br><br><br><br>PATRICK FINLEY wrote:<br> </pre>
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<pre>Very nicely put, Regan. There seems to be a whole generation of <br>cachers who think lite pole caches and park bench/playground caches <br>are the norm nowadays. I had the pleasure of sitting down with Jeff <br>(Team 360) JR (team AJ.JR ) and Dave Ulmer a few years back, and was a <br>little surprised with Daves take on the sport of geocaching that he <br>gave birth to. Strangely enough, I remember him saying that he had no <br>idea that geocaching would have become so big (with the help of <br>Jeremy) and that he really didn't keep up with the game a whole lot. <br>At that time he was travelling around the country in his motorhome and <br>must have driven by a whole plethora of caches everyday. Maybe it was <br>just my take on what he said, but I got the distinct feeling he wasn't <br>too receptive of the idea of many of the urban/city caches being <br>placed at that time. I wonder what his feelings are today? I hear <br>about cachers with
physical limitations, and I'm sure there are quite <br>a few cachers out there with legitimate physical disabilities, but <br>there's also a bunch of "lazy" cachers out there who spend way too <br>much time sitting on their butt playing on the computer, by <br>choice. Some of those cachers have limitations like being way too fat <br>(bad knees, etc.) or just totally out of shape from sitting on their <br>rears. Hands-On Cachers have a cache near Montana Mountain that is <br>named "Get off the Couch, and Cache" (GC1JQY7) which says it all, as <br>far as I'm concerned. I think many urban park/parking lot/electrical <br>boxes/sprinkler head cachers use the excuse that these caches are <br>hidden for those who just can't do the hiking or off-road caches due <br>to physical limitations, wrong vehicle, or time constraints. That's <br>baloney. I feel empathy for those who really are handicapped, but that <br>group of cachers is a very small minority of the
total caching crowd. <br>For those who have ventured out in the desert or mountains to seek a <br>hiking/off road cache, my hat's off to you. The feeling of actually <br>having to put forth some effort to get to one of these caches <br>is wonderful, and beats doing 25-50 urban caches, hands down. I still <br>do a few urban caches, if I'm in the mood, but enjoy the caches placed <br>in the boonies a whole lot more. AZcachemeister and AZgeckogirl, as <br>well as AJ.JR , TEF, 360, ShadowAce,Desert Rhino, Sprocket 1980, <br>Roping-the-Wind, Team A.I., Highpointer, Hands-On Cachers, Just Hike <br>and quite a few others place mostly caches that include some effort to <br>get to, a scenic location, and a sense of accomplishment. I know the <br>numbers thing is attractive to quite a few cachers, as we got caught <br>up in it in the "early" days, but do we need "power trails" such <br>as Redundant #1 thru #100? There seems to be a rash of cachers placing
<br>caches .10 apart, with little, or no value, other than to pump up the <br>numbers. Just because you have more finds than somebody else doesn't <br>mean that you're a better cacher, or that folks respect you more. <br>Arizona Ranger Team has quite a few less finds than I Do, but <br>I respect their sense of adventure, and the type of caches they <br>pursue. Anyway, I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes, and want to <br>thank all of those cachers who place hides that have some true <br>value............... <br><br> ----- Original Message -----<br> *From:* Regan Smith <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank" href="mailto:evilfish@cox.net"><mailto:evilfish@cox.net></a><br> *To:* <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a> <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" target="_blank"
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com"><mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com></a><br> *Sent:* Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:51 AM<br> *Subject:* [Az-Geocaching] Why I became a Premium Member<br><br> Ya Know I really didn't want to pay for a Premium Membership, as<br> for the many years prior Geocaching was about the Geo taking the<br> GPS putting in coordinates and finding a cache outside..<br><br> Now as if a bad plague I felt it very necessary for me to pay to<br> Ignore armchair caching, Have all the good stand alone caching<br> locations been taken that you have to add sitting infront of the<br> computer playing math and phone games before going out to enjoy<br> the outdoors. Has climate change done so much to ruin wanting to<br> spend time outside????<br><br> When Dave Ulmer hid his cache he said come and find it, now how<br> many take the trip to see that spot??.. Yes times change but the<br> principle
of here is a cache and go find it should not be perverted.<br><br><br> I was told by Alex months ago if you do not like that type of hide<br> why hide one like it? I so want to hide a more devious cache page<br> cache so all the minority cachers can bitch and moan at their lack<br> of understanding my logic but will not pervert the game any more.<br> but the lock and cable will remain....<br><br> Just like giving the challenge to a few other cacher about<br> stepping up their game I will add now Keep it up.<br><br><br> Thanks ACM for the enlightenment of the Ignore button<br> ____________________________________________________________<br> Az-Geocaching mailing list <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" target="_blank" href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><br> To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit:<br> <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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