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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>An area that looks like wilderness and one
designated as such, are the same but incredibly different. Motorized vehicles
are not permitted in wilderness areas, and even emergency vehicles
(helicopters, for example) require special permission to enter the area below a
certain elevation and then land. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<h2><b><i><font size=4 face=Arial><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>What is
"Wilderness"?<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></h2>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>"Wilderness",
as we use the term, is in the context of <a
href="http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=legisAct">The
Wilderness Act of 1964</a> which is found at <a
href="http://www.cfpa-nv.org/wilderness_is/www.wilderness.net">Wilderness.net</a>,
a good source for educational material. Quoting from Wilderness.net: <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>"Wilderness is the land that is </span></b>-
rare, wild places where one can retreat from civilization, reconnect with the
Earth, and find healing, meaning and significance." The following is
excerpted from the Wilderness Act: A Wilderness... is hereby recognized as an
area where the earth and its community of life are untrammeled by man, where
man himself is a visitor and does not remain, an area of undeveloped Federal
land retaining its primeval character and influence, without permanent
improvements or human habitation, which is protected and managed so as to
preserve its natural conditions and which generally appears to have been
affected primarily by the forces of nature, with the imprint of man’s
work substantially unnoticeable...". Also excerpted from the act:
"Prohibited Uses... No commercial enterprise, no permanent road, no
temporary road, no use of motor vehicles, motorized equipment, or motorboats,
no landing aircraft, no other form of mechanical transport, and no structure or
installation...". <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><a
href="http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=legisAct">http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fuse=NWPS&sec=legisAct</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Esteban<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 21, 2008
10:10 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching]
Caching Group</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Do you have a link I can
read up more on this? I will do a seach myself, but I am curious what
"wilderness" means because I can think of MANY caches here in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Tucson</st1:place></st1:City> that would seem to
be part of the "wilderness."<br>
<br>
Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience. I am very,
very new to this all.<br>
<br>
- Esteban (bakura82)<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <<a
href="mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net">bcasteel@uccinc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not
allowed. Per the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and
thus, are not permitted.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Brian</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Team A.I.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com"
target="_blank">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Esteban<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 21, 2008
10:03 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching]
Caching Group<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Shadowace,<br>
<br>
I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you posted
because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says we should be going
to. So, for example, if someone hides a parking lot cache at ABC
Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM first and also the owner(s)
of that land in which the parking lot resides for permission? Wow.<br>
<br>
Also, you said "No wilderness area". What exactly do you mean
by this?<br>
<br>
- Esteban (bakura82)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Date:
Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700<br>
From: <a href="http://shadowace.az" target="_blank">shadowace.az</a>@<a
href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group<br>
<br>
Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to make a
unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land managers in regards
to placing caches legally with permission.<br>
<br>
Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this state as
well as other states because people simply refuse to follow simple guidelines
such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS lands' 'No Wilderness areas'<br>
<br>
Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this together
and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local group in the area of
the person who gets it going who is then speaking for all cachers in the state.<br>
<br>
Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and promising
that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after obtaining permission
from the BLM manager of the area?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm" target="_blank">http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm</a><br>
<br>
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State>'s <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<h4 align=center style='text-align:center'><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>BLM's Geocaching Game
Rules<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></h4>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='color:#000099;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><u><font size=3 color="#000099"
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Identify proposed cache
locations to the local BLM office before placing a cache</span></font></u><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Do not place caches at archaeological sites<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events,
contests for prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial
business<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of
a cache location<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'> Do
you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone else is following
the rules? <br>
<br>
Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing a
cache?<br>
<br>
I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I also see
truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to everyone then many
will not follow the rules and I for one no longer wish to stick my neck out
with land managers.<br>
<br>
~ShadowAce / Dirk<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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