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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>“Wilderness” is an official designation. Just being a wild
place doesn’t do it. Once an area is designated Wilderness, there are a LOT of
restrictions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Bill in Willcox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Esteban<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Do you have a link I can read
up more on this? I will do a seach myself, but I am curious what
"wilderness" means because I can think of MANY caches here in Tucson
that would seem to be part of the "wilderness."<br>
<br>
Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience. I am very,
very new to this all.<br>
<br>
- Esteban (bakura82)<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <<a
href="mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net">bcasteel@uccinc.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Any
area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed. Per
the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus, are not
permitted.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Team
A.I.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com"
target="_blank">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Esteban<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Shadowace,<br>
<br>
I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you posted
because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says we should be going
to. So, for example, if someone hides a parking lot cache at ABC
Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM first and also the owner(s)
of that land in which the parking lot resides for permission? Wow.<br>
<br>
Also, you said "No wilderness area". What exactly do you mean
by this?<br>
<br>
- Esteban (bakura82)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700<br>
From: <a href="http://shadowace.az" target="_blank">shadowace.az</a>@<a
href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group<br>
<br>
Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to make a
unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land managers in regards
to placing caches legally with permission.<br>
<br>
Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this state as
well as other states because people simply refuse to follow simple guidelines
such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS lands' 'No Wilderness areas'<br>
<br>
Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this together
and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local group in the area of
the person who gets it going who is then speaking for all cachers in the state.<br>
<br>
Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and promising
that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after obtaining permission
from the BLM manager of the area?<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm" target="_blank">http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm</a><br>
<br>
Arizona's <o:p></o:p></p>
<h4 align=center style='text-align:center'>BLM's Geocaching Game Rules<o:p></o:p></h4>
<ul type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:#000099;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><u>Identify proposed cache locations to the
local BLM office before placing a cache</u><o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Do not place caches at archaeological sites<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events,
contests for prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial
business<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of
a cache location<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p> Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone else
is following the rules? <br>
<br>
Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing a
cache?<br>
<br>
I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I also see
truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to everyone then many
will not follow the rules and I for one no longer wish to stick my neck out
with land managers.<br>
<br>
~ShadowAce / Dirk<o:p></o:p></p>
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