I did some reading online. I need to check this out when i get home because it seems that, legally speaking, geocaching is quite limited. So far it seems that several the caches that I had in mind to visit may have been inappropriately placed...<br>
<br>Anyway, thanks for this tip.<br><br>Esteban<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Andrew Ayre <<a href="mailto:andy@britishideas.com">andy@britishideas.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Wilderness areas are marked on Topo maps, so you can clearly see the<br>
boundaries.<br>
<br>
Andy<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
Esteban wrote:<br>
> Do you have a link I can read up more on this? I will do a seach<br>
> myself, but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of<br>
> MANY caches here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the "wilderness."<br>
><br>
> Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience. I am very,<br>
> very new to this all.<br>
><br>
> - Esteban (bakura82)<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <<a href="mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net">bcasteel@uccinc.net</a><br>
</div><div class="Ih2E3d">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net">bcasteel@uccinc.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Any area designated as "wilderness", caches are not allowed. Per<br>
> the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed trash and thus,<br>
> are not permitted.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Brian<br>
><br>
> Team A.I.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> *From:* <a href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>>] *On Behalf<br>
> Of *Esteban<br>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:03 AM<br>
><br>
</div>> *To:* <a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a>><br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">> *Subject:* Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Shadowace,<br>
><br>
> I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you<br>
> posted because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says<br>
> we should be going to. So, for example, if someone hides a parking<br>
> lot cache at ABC Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM<br>
> first and also the owner(s) of that land in which the parking lot<br>
> resides for permission? Wow.<br>
><br>
> Also, you said "No wilderness area". What exactly do you mean by this?<br>
><br>
> - Esteban (bakura82)<br>
><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
><br>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700<br>
</div>> From: <a href="http://shadowace.az" target="_blank">shadowace.az</a> <<a href="http://shadowace.az" target="_blank">http://shadowace.az</a>>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a> <<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">http://gmail.com</a>><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a>><br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group<br>
><br>
> Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to<br>
> make a unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land<br>
> managers in regards to placing caches legally with permission.<br>
><br>
> Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this<br>
> state as well as other states because people simply refuse to follow<br>
> simple guidelines such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS<br>
> lands' 'No Wilderness areas'<br>
><br>
> Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this<br>
> together and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local<br>
> group in the area of the person who gets it going who is then<br>
> speaking for all cachers in the state.<br>
><br>
> Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and<br>
> promising that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after<br>
> obtaining permission from the BLM manager of the area?<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm" target="_blank">http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm</a><br>
><br>
> Arizona's<br>
><br>
><br>
> *BLM's Geocaching Game Rules*<br>
><br>
> * _Identify proposed cache locations to the local BLM office<br>
> before placing a cache_<br>
> * Do not place caches at archaeological sites<br>
> * Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events, contests for<br>
> prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial<br>
> business<br>
> * Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of a cache location<br>
><br>
> Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone<br>
> else is following the rules?<br>
><br>
> Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing<br>
> a cache?<br>
><br>
> I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I<br>
> also see truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to<br>
> everyone then many will not follow the rules and I for one no longer<br>
> wish to stick my neck out with land managers.<br>
><br>
> ~ShadowAce / Dirk<br>
><br>
><br>
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