Do you have a link I can read up more on this? I will do a seach myself, but I am curious what "wilderness" means because I can think of MANY caches here in Tucson that would seem to be part of the "wilderness."<br>
<br>Please excuse my ignorance and thank you for your patience. I am very, very new to this all.<br><br>- Esteban (bakura82)<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Brian Casteel <<a href="mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net">bcasteel@uccinc.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Any area designated as "wilderness",
caches are not allowed. Per the Wilderness Act of 1964, such items are deemed
trash and thus, are not permitted.</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Brian</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
<a href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Esteban<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 21, 2008
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching]
Caching Group</div></div></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Shadowace,<br>
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I am new to this all and I really appreciate this information you posted
because I honestly had no idea how much trouble the BLM says we should be going
to. So, for example, if someone hides a parking lot cache at ABC
Supermarket, are they required to contact the BLM first and also the owner(s)
of that land in which the parking lot resides for permission? Wow.<br>
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Also, you said "No wilderness area". What exactly do you mean
by this?<br>
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- Esteban (bakura82)<br>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 18:11:44 -0700<br>
From: <a href="http://shadowace.az" target="_blank">shadowace.az</a>@<a href="http://gmail.com" target="_blank">gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com" target="_blank">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Caching Group<br>
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Another thing that was tried as a reason for the last attempt was to make a
unified front of cachers to represent ourselves with land managers in regards
to placing caches legally with permission.<br>
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Many land managers are ready to see Geocaching outlawed in this state as
well as other states because people simply refuse to follow simple guidelines
such as 'get permission' 'no tribal lands' 'no NPS lands' 'No Wilderness areas'<br>
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Now you begin to create a governing body to organize all this together
and form a groups to work on it. Many times it is a local group in the area of
the person who gets it going who is then speaking for all cachers in the state.<br>
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Do you really think you want to be the one going to the BLM and promising
that every cache on BLM land will be placed only after obtaining permission
from the BLM manager of the area?<br>
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<a href="http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm" target="_blank">http://www.blm.gov/az/outrec/geocache.htm</a><br>
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Arizona's </span></font></p>
<h4 style="text-align: center;" align="center"><b><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">BLM's Geocaching Game
Rules</span></font></b></h4>
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<li style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);"><u><font color="#000099" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Identify proposed
cache locations to the local BLM office before placing a cache</span></font></u></li>
<li><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Do not place caches at archaeological sites</span></font></li>
<li><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Obtain a BLM permit for any competitive events,
contests for prizes, paid participation, or caches hosted by commercial
business</span></font></li>
<li><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Advise BLM if you observe any misuse or abuse of
a cache location</span></font></li>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> Do you really want to be the one staking your word that everyone
else is following the rules? <br>
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Honest show of hands, how many truly get permission before placing a
cache?<br>
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I like the idea of a geocaching organization statewide however I also see
truth in reality and know as long as groundspeak is open to everyone then many
will not follow the rules and I for one no longer wish to stick my neck out
with land managers.<br>
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~ShadowAce / Dirk</span></font></p>
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