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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Well of course all logs do make it to the
cache owner. I was thinking more of a process of establishing that the cache
has been<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>abandoned. Something like send an e-mail
to the cache owner 3 times every 2 weeks or every month. If they haven’t
answered <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>by then you can post a SBA log, stating
the situation ( old geezer ) and that you have tried contacting the cache owner
3 times.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Then when the SBA note gets to the
reviewer, you will already have established that the cache is abandoned and
have further <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>justified ( in addition to the geezer
issue ) the SBA log.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Richard Hansen</span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Josh Simpson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:47
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Wanna
Chime In?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks for the response Nicolo. I actually did not send an e-mail
directly to the owner. I'm under the impression that all logs are e-mailed
straight to the cache owner (as mine are) so I assume the cache owner will
receive an e-mail notification with what I wrote in my log.<br>
<br>
Yes, LaRobley's board is very well done. I'll post there as well if anyone
would rather reply on a threaded board. Here's the link:<br>
<br>
http://superstitioncachers.phpbb3pro.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=30<br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>"Hansen,
Richard" <richard@hansen.name></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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are always strange people around that don’t like “strangers”
in their ‘hood. Would I have posted a SBA log? Probably not,
not in that circumstance anyway. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If someone in authority would have wanted
it moved, I’d probably do it then.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Even if it turns out that the cache is in
a “legal” location, it’s not wanted there and it’s only
a matter of time before that codger gets it moved. Sounds like an<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>uncomfortable place to search for a cache
anyway ( dogs barking, geezers yelling at you ) … it hardly seems worth
it.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I assume that you sent the owner an e-mail
…? You mentioned that the cache owner hasn’t signed on to
geocaching.com for a while. A series of time-spaced <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>e-mails would begin the process of
confirming whether or not the owner has abandoned the cache, leading to an
archiving of the cache. Anyway that’s what I’d do. <u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As for a message board, well, as you know,
there is a board maintained by larobly : <a
href="http://superstitioncachers.phpbb3pro.com/index.php">http://superstitioncachers.phpbb3pro.com/index.php</a>
- it’s worth a visit.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I know that several people here
don’t seem to be fond of boards but discussions such as these are
facilitated by a threaded discussion … just my thoughts.<u1:p></u1:p></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Josh Simpson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, March 08, 2008
11:22 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Az-Geocaching] Wanna Chime
In?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Yo AZ Geocachers! This is simpjkee. I always get these e-mails, but
rarely post.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Anyway, I ran into a very interesting caching situation on Saturday.
I'm still new to this game so I'm wondering what all of you guys and gals think
about this and what you think about what I did and any advice for what to do in
future situations.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The cache I'm referring to is: GCN05H You can read all the deatails
there, but I'll give a synopsis here.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This cache is in <st1:place u2:st="on"><st1:PlaceName u2:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Gold</st1:PlaceName></st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType u2:st="on"><st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Canyon</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></st1:PlaceType></st1:place> on a
hill, along a hiking trail, in a subdivision. It's been in place for a couple
years and has been found by a lot of cachers. I went to the cache on Saturday
and a man who lived in the subdivision with his backyard toward the cache site
began going nuts and yelling and such while I was signing the log. He was
threatening me with calling the Sherriff and telling me I was on private
property etc. I attempted to talk to him about it, but he was not willing.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I had decided that this was a first time deal and I was going to
request that the owner move or archive the cache since it wasn't welcome. When
I got home, I was really surprised to see that this neighbor situation has been
an ongoing issue for over a year and that the cache owner has called the police
on the neighbor (over the issue of wether this is a public hiking trail, etc).<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I still requested that this cache be archived. It seems like this
geocache is only instigating more trouble and furthurmore, the owner has
not logged on since April 2007.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So ya wanna chime in? I'd appreciate hearing what you guys have to say.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>P.S. On a total sidenote. Is there still any talk of moving to a real
message board? An actual AZ message board would be awesome.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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