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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Rather than getting into a battle over
this, I’ll answer once with what I know and leave it at that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>There is some backlash to the cost because
in the past it was free to attend, and at least in the case of the first HR
that I helped organize, very few donations hit the table to even begin to cover
the cost of food that was grilled, along with other items and materials used to
create the HR environment. Subsequent years? I don’t know because
I moved to BigSky Country and circumstances haven’t yet worked in my
favor to be able to make it down there. I stated last week that if those
who are complaining only knew what it cost to put one of these events on,
attitudes might change a bit, but so far they haven’t.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The other backlash as I understand it is
due to the fact that this is no longer a Geocacher ONLY event. It was
opened up to the masses, presumably for reasons I can understand, but don’t
necessarily agree with. Posting on craigslist and azcentral the event
information is counter-productive to sentiments regarding the event, which has
always been about cachers. Rather than keeping it at the caliber it has
always been at, perhaps it could have been scaled back instead, or simply not
posted to those sites that turned this into a perceived commercial cache.
While opening it up to the masses is a way to bring new cachers into the fold,
I don’t agree with the way it was done.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But seriously though. The folks
taking (in some cases repeated) shots really need to grow up and perhaps take
the time to understand why there is now a cost to attend, whereas in the past
there was not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Personally, I think mistakes were made on
both sides of this. First, by turning it ‘commercial’ by
publishing information about outside of gc.com, and then those who reverted
back to 4<sup>th</sup> grade immaturity in their stabs at the turn of events.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Unless there are some changes (not sure
what or how exactly), I suspect that this year will be the final HR. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Team A.I.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>ShadowAce<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 09, 2007
11:02 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Az-Geocaching] Er?
Halloween RadioActive Event</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I received an email from a friend saying they were glad to see that
Team Evil Fish helped Tamo get a listing for Halloween RadioActive.<br>
<br>
I then asked what they were referring to and they said .. <br>
<br>
IamHungryFish: Geolizing Event #17 by Team Evil Fish GC16FHA is the
listed cache for people to get a 'smiley' for attending Halloween RadioActive. <br>
<br>
I had to inform them that the event by evil fish is over 27 miles away as
a crow flies and begins 2 hours after the HRA event.<br>
<br>
Now I am seeing all sorts of logs on the cache within a business called
Someburros' is getting all sorts of notes that seem to be taking an
attack at the Halloween RadioActive event. Am I missing some joke by <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:City> cachers down here
in the southern parts? Or do people really think the HRA gatherings are that
much of a waste of time? <br>
<br>
I am asking because we (my family) are putting in a lot of time again
this year to ensure everyone has fun and we are trying to 'out do' what we have
done in the past. Is this really something that geocachers are upset about? <br>
<br>
Maybe I am just confused, but logs such as:<br>
'</span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'><span id=CacheLogs>Oh great! A real event. I will be there
with WhirledCache.'<br>
and<br>
'</span></span></font><span id=CacheLogs> <font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Wow, you sure this isn't a typo?
You know, it's funny, I didn't see a $20 admission charge here. I don't even
need to 'pre-register'. Or would that be 'FREE-register'? Well, I happen to be
FREE that day, and since you are considerate enough to make this a FREE event
for the Geocaching Community, I'll feel FREE to show up!<br>
Looking forward to a REAL Halloween Event!<br>
Thanks, Evil(FREE)Fish!'<br>
<br>
seem to be pretty direct attacks on Tamo for all the work he and his
family put into this. <br>
<br>
Is this what geocaching is now about? I keep hearing about how friendly and
supportive the geocaching community is but then we see things like this and
have to wonder what happened that we are not hearing about. Would any of the <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:City> cachers care to
let others know what is happening? <br>
<br>
Thank you<br>
-Dirk/ShadowAce<br>
<br>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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