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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We went out to Tonopah last w/e and logged a couple
of the old Puz-zel caches--those were certainly worth retaining for the
container's sake. Coyote 1 and 2 were fantastic caches, too--extraordinary
sites. Don't know if they are both still there.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=azcachemeister@getnet.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, September 28, 2007 5:30
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] so much for
trying to preserve a cache</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>We could have seen this coming back when Petite Elite attempted
to adopt All Aboard Gone up in Prescott. I can't remember if the original
owner was out of contact, but the logic was that the container was missing, so
the cache could only be un-archived to the original owner, and not an
adoptee.<BR>I read something in the forums that hinted that archived caches
will be taken off the maps soon, so the only way you would be able to 'find'
them would be by knowing the waypoint ID, or perhaps by looking at someones
found list.<BR>Apparently 'cache permanence' is falling by the wayside, so
stock up on 'Gladware' and just archive the cache and 'hide' a new one when
the container disintegrates.<BR><BR>Richard Daines wrote:
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<DIV>There have been several conversations on the forum about just this
topic and as predicted, this is the response. GC seems to lean to
archiving rather that adoption if the original owner doesn't get
involved. There is a similar cache here in Missouri that appears to
have been quietly adopted but is Disabled none the less. Unless the
original owner speaks up, I bet this one will be Disabled too regardless of
it condition. I guess I can see the point that a cache needs an owner,
a point of contact. Having to apply for a new cache at the location
<BR>seems extreme but this is how GC tries to have control.</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 9/28/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Jason
Poulter</B> <<A href="mailto:jason@snaptek.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">jason@snaptek.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Thats
a bunch of crap....<BR><BR>I think I will get around to making a section
on the azgeocaching site<BR>were we can list our own caches and thus keep
caches like this alive and<BR>all nazi tactics at gc can be
circumnavigated....<BR><BR>jason<BR>snaptek<BR><BR>Gale wrote:<BR>> I
feel quite badly about this. I tried to preserve an old cache, and
<BR>> this is what happens. Link here.<BR>> <<A
href="http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=52232ff3-f2f0-463f-8829-47d51b995b9c"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=52232ff3-f2f0-463f-8829-47d51b995b9c
</A>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Tsegi Mike and Desert
Viking<BR>><BR>> Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang
interminable changes<BR>> On one everlasting Whisper day
and night repeated -- so:<BR>> "Something hidden. Go and
find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- <BR>> "Something
lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"<BR>><BR>>
Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898<BR>><BR>>
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