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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Here’s my take on this…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As I’ve understood it, Jake
originally created this artwork more as a personal gift to me, intended as
thanks for getting the Adopt-A-Highway program started and for the CITO Always
cache itself. But he took my positive response and turned toward making a
coin design out of it instead once the realization hit that it would make a
great coin design. At at that point, he bounced ideas off me and I gave
him input, which he then took into consideration when working up the design.
Not once did I interject and make this to be all about me, and never intended
to either. It really wouldn’t have made any difference to me if
CITO Always had been adopted by someone else and still used as a reference, but
since others agreed to keep an eye on it for me; I maintained ownership of that
cache. In fact, the only way this coin design references me is if one
goes and looks up the information for the cache that’s 25’ from the
sign and notices who the owner of the cache is.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Again, as stated on the page and my
initial post, there have been no steps taken beyond the artwork being
created. It was posted merely to gauge interest in the coin. If the
design proceeds to a coin being produced, I suppose the reference could be
changed to address a region rather than a state. It’s not THE
Arizona CITO coin, but A Arizona CITO coin. I didn’t catch where
you got that reference at first, but see it posted on the actual page for the
coin concept. I think that was more of an error in word choice than
anything, because I always saw it as a great design and one of the more
appropriate geocoins to go into production, given the mass influx of coins that
have absolutely nothing to do with caching.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If there is desire for some sort of
official <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State>
CITO coin, then great. I still think this one should be made, but under a
different banner of sorts. At the same time, aside from the coordinates,
nobody else outside of Phoenix would really know (or care) that the sign used
as the basis for the artwork was in the metro Phoenix area, except for those
cachers in-state aware of its existence. For all the rest, for all they
know the sign could be in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Lake</st1:PlaceType>
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Havasu</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>, or Willcox.
It became a design that identified with Arizona Geocachers in general, but
references a specific cache that is still active. When I filled out
paperwork to get that section adopted, I made the name a general reference to
give props to ALL Arizona Geocachers, but just as easily could have said “Phoenix
Geocachers” or “Central Arizona Geocachers,” but I wanted to
give recognition to everyone in general. Fortunately, the area has
required less maintenance over time because cachers who attend those clean-ups
do a wonderful job and the trash didn’t have a chance to pile up anymore.
That doesn’t go to say that other CITO events aren’t just as good,
because I know for a fact they are. The original intent of the program I
applied for has been marred by ill feelings of unknown origin. Last I
checked Dirk, you and I had a pretty good relationship so I’m surprised
at how you jumped on this issue and took offense.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Please keep in mind the original intent I
had when applying for the Adopt-A-Highway program. Location of the sign
should be irrelevant. Remember what the sign itself reads. Also, if
you read the coin page itself, any extra funds (if any) that came from its
production would go right back into highway cleanup events, or could even be
diverted to another CITO effort somewhere else. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Team A.I.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>ShadowAce<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 20, 2007
11:40 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">listserv@azgeocaching.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] 2007 <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State> CITO Coin</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Great pimping for the
cache and for all the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:City>
people. BUT.... If this is going to be another <st1:State w:st="on">ARIZONA</st1:State>
coin, maybe it should be more <st1:State w:st="on">ARIZONA</st1:State> and less
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:City>?<br>
<br>
What?? Well lets see, the coin mentions Brian's cache, but not any
other CITO? <br>
<br>
What about the 6 Cito's in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Tucson</st1:place></st1:City>?
Thats one every 2 months. Can <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:place></st1:City>
claim this? Last Phoenix CITO was a year ago<br>
<br>
What about GCVPRN ? Casa Grande Cito?<br>
GCYA3Y? <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Prescott</st1:place></st1:City>
Cito?<br>
GCVYMD? <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Flagstaff</st1:place></st1:City>
Cito? <br>
<br>
<br>
<st1:State w:st="on">Arizona</st1:State> has multiple areas adopted by
cachers and while it is great to see your advertising for your spot, Please do
not call it THE <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">arizona</st1:place></st1:State>
Cito as it is in no way supporting or mentioning the people who have actually
been doing the Cito's for the last year. <st1:City w:st="on">Phoenix</st1:City>
cachers have been driving over 100 miles each way to join in the CITOs for <st1:place
w:st="on">Alamo</st1:place> wash and I think that deserves regonition. <br>
<br>
Maybe we need to create an official Arizona CITO coin for us. Then we can
have multiple Official coins and represent the people who are going out to
cleanup without creating a cash flow for someone?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 2/20/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Jake
Olson</span></b> <<a href="mailto:jake.teamai@gmail.com">jake.teamai@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Brian created the cache to go with the the fact that cachers are the
ones cleaning the section of the highway. He is the current owner of the
cache, but a few of us still here in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State>
are maintaining it by proxy. Any issues that have come up regarding it,
he's forwarded to me and I've promptly taken care of it. <br>
<br>
As for a LE version, Brian just pointed out to me that perhaps we need a
Limited Edition that has a more pronounced hand jesture emphasizing exactly
which "finger" is being displayed. (the image was the best I
could come up with showing a GPS in use.) <br>
<br>
Jake - Team A.I.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 2/20/07, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Jared
Ross</span></b> <<a href="mailto:jaredmross@yahoo.com" target="_blank">
jaredmross@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I think it's a great idea and the overall design looks good.
There are two things that I would question (but not necessarily change) <br>
<br>
1. At first glance I thought the "hiker-guy" on the sign had a very
powerful middle finger. I thought maybe he was hiking to a new cache and
noticed Tim from AZFastFeet already signing the log for the FTF. :) <br>
<br>
2. I'm not huge on the C.I.T.O. Always cache being mentioned on the coin.
Mostly because what if, God forbid, that cache became archived? My opinion on
this one is pretty loose though, I have yet to find that cache so it may be
very safe from archival. <br>
<br>
I'd most likely buy one. Will there be a LE coin similar to the <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State> geocoins?<br>
<br>
Jared of AZBliss02<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>----- Original Message
----<br>
From: Brian Casteel <<a href="mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net" target="_blank">bcasteel@uccinc.net</a>><br>
To: AZ Geocaching <<a href="mailto:az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com"
target="_blank"> az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>><br>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:41:19 PM<br>
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 2007 <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Arizona</st1:place></st1:State>
CITO Coin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This idea has been tossed around for a little while, since it so <br>
strongly ties into caching and one of the more important tenets of <br>
cachers and CITO.<br>
<br>
2007 Arizona CITO Coin <<a href="http://www.geocoin-info.net/CITO/index.html"
target="_blank"> http://www.geocoin-info.net/CITO/index.html</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
IPB Image<br>
<br>
Right now we're only gauging interest in the coin before proceeding with <br>
the rest of the minting process. Please visit the URL above for more <br>
information.<br>
<br>
<br>
***Update***<br>
Jake smacked me around about this a little bit late this afternoon, <br>
because I posted the concept on the Groundspeak forums first instead of <br>
here. Oops! I was on the GC forums for something else and
the thought <br>
came to me so I ran with it. At any rate, here's what has been
designed <br>
and the purpose right now is to gauge interest in the coin before <br>
proceeding. The initial run figures are pretty low (250), but <br>
additional minting can occur if demand warrants.<br>
<br>
What do you folks think?<br>
<br>
Brian<br>
Team A.I.<br>
<br>
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