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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dang, I missed the whole controversy.
somebody update me, please?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mozartman</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Randy Kinkel</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=azcachemeister@getnet.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 10, 2007 9:17
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Only an
altoids tin!!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Well, I don't like to insult people by saying their cache is
crap, but aren't they insulting us by bringing us to those areas?<BR>There is
nothing of interest at the back of the 99¢ store, nor anything clever about a
shoe-polish can stuffed in a crack in the building.<BR>If we don't start
taking some responsibility for our activities, someone else will.<BR>If enough
people start 'telling it like it is' then the cachers hiding those type of
caches just might get the hint.<BR>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of
</SPAN></B>ShadowAce<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B>
Friday, February 09, 2007 6:15 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Only an
altoids tin!!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Scott, <BR><BR> With all due
respect. Oct 25, 2005 4:02 PM you sent email about how Micros were evil and
now that you had finally reached the top find counter in the state you were
not going to be going for micros any longer. How only Urban caches had any
reason to exist and people should help stop the spread of micro spew.
<BR> <BR> Yet a very large percent of your cache finds are micros
even after the posts about how Micros should go away. <SPAN
id=ProfilePanel1_lblProfileText>1114 terrain 1 and </SPAN><SPAN
id=ProfilePanel1_lblProfileText>735 difficulty 1 according to the stats you
placed on your profile. </SPAN>While I am sick of lamp poles and guard rails
myself, I merely pointed that story out because of how many people caching
in <ST1:STATE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Arizona</ST1:PLACE></ST1:STATE>
tell me at almost every single event 'Permission is not required' or 'Its
public property'. <BR><BR> If cachers want to place a micro every 600
feet they will. If they throw caches out with no intention of ever
maintaining them, they will. Why? Because every other cacher is writing
'Great cache, thanks for the hide' and not writing.... <BR><BR><I><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic">I was able to grab this cache quickly though I
had to shield the location with my rear side from the dumpster
divers.</SPAN></I> or <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">After sifting
through the garbage left by the homeless in the area, we found your cache.
</SPAN></I><BR> <BR> <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Never
would have known about this place, because we generally avoid
dumpsters.<BR><BR></SPAN></I> I have been trying to be very honest in
my logs about areas such as these and instead of getting 'Hay thanks for
warning me that place was going to be so terrible', I receive emails saying
'Why are you such an ass? If you dont like the cache, dont go find it!'
<BR><BR> Welp the problem with this is from the writeups you have no
idea if it will be a real interesting place such as the one we found last
night called Hope, or in a pile of trash until you get to the
location.<BR><BR> So instead of complaining about the TYPE of cache, I
was merely pointing out that Permission should be obtained on ALL cache
hides. Heck I spent 2 years getting permission for one place. 4 weeks to get
permission for another cache. 5 weeks of emails to get permission for one
location and then other people just throw more caches in the area when they
came.. Yep I caught hell from the person that granted me permission to place
mine after that.. Joy joy... <BR><BR> If people hate micros so much,
why do they continue to grab them and write 'Thanks for the
fun'?<BR><BR> <BR><BR><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 2/9/07, <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Roping The Wind</SPAN></B> <<A
href="mailto:arizcowboy@hotmail.com">arizcowboy@hotmail.com</A>>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>The geocacher who placed the altoid tin says he
"wished others had told him<BR>this was not a good place to put a cache". I
can only laugh at that<BR>statement. The <A href="http://gc.com">gc.com</A>
site clearly states that you must get permission to <BR>place a cache on
private property!!! Did he not read that little tidbit of<BR>information?
Typical of alot of urban cache hides. Is he now trying to put<BR>it onto the
geocaching community as a whole? Making the whole game/community <BR>look
bad?<BR><BR>I do agree though that law enforcement over reacted... kinda
like the little<BR><ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE
w:st="on">Boston</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY> cartoon 'bomb' scare
thing.<BR><BR>The other thing that comes to my mind is that he is relatively
new to the <BR>game and this is most of what he has seen so far... a bunch
of altoid tins<BR>behind stores and on electrical boxes and the like. So, he
might have<BR>thought it was totally ok to hide a cache like this... even
though, as I <BR>mentioned before, he should have gotten permission to place
it in the first<BR>place.<BR><BR>I do like this quote though: "I've
discovered that I really don't like urban<BR>caching. I'd rather do it in
the woods. That's where it's really fun," he <BR>said.<BR><BR>As of the past
month and a half now, I have not found an urban cache hide. I<BR>dont mind
going a week without finding a cache anymore. But I have decided<BR>that I
only want to do rural area caches. Caches that require a hike to get <BR>to
or maybe a nice 4x4 drive or maybe just a drive by cache placed in
a<BR>beautiful location way outside the city limit signs. Or maybe caches
placed<BR>in small towns is ok too. Basically, caches placed with the
location in <BR>mind. I have been using the DGP geocaching site lately to
pick and choose<BR>caches to find.<BR><BR>The past month or so, I have found
a much greater enjoyement for the game<BR>again. It feels like the old days
of caching 4 or 5 years ago when I first <BR>began. I can't say I will never
find an urban cache again. But I am<BR>carefully picking and choosing which
ones I want to find.<BR><BR>Scott<BR>Team
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