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style='font-size:12.0pt'>I agree pretty closely with RTW’s conclusions about
ATVs on <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Arizona</st1:State></st1:place>’s
public land. The amount of new trails in the area east of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Florence</st1:City></st1:place> has multiplied exponentially.
It’s unrecognizable compared to what it was 15 years ago. If I
hadn’t spent time there then, I wouldn’t believe it could’ve
changed so much in such a short period of time. The ATV track growth is
happening statewide, and surely all across the West.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Traditional 4WD vehicles cause damage too, of course.
But they do not tend to create new roads. They generally stay on existing
roads. That is the key here, I think. It's not that traditional 4WD users are
more environmentally aware as a whole, but rather, new road-building on that
scale is a lot of work. It’s easier to stick to existing roads. ATVs,
though, can squeeze easily between most <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Sonoran</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Desert</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
vegetation, and they do, creating new tracks in the process.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I am almost always wary of government intervention
which restricts recreational use on public lands, but ATV use is very
destructive when left unrestricted. It also negatively affects almost all other
land users, recreational or not, human or not. Not just the tracks and
passageways, but also the incessant noise which radiates for miles around from
the activity. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Obviously, ATVing is a very popular activity in <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Arizona</st1:State></st1:place> with explosive
growth. It has a place on our public lands (many places). But it doesn't have
to be everywhere. We don't have that much roadless desert left and these scars
on the land won't heal in our lifetimes. So in this case, the government
restriction sounds better than the alternative of the status quo to me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Public lands access is not being blocked with this
proposal, as has been suggested. Closure of vehicular trails does not block your
access to public land. If you don't believe it, try walking.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>AZcachemeister<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 20, 2006
6:23 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] FW:
Arizona Game and Fish wants to hear from ou</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I definitely agree with Scott and Brian here.<br>
There are most certainly boneheads in all classes of OHV drivers, but I have to
think the guy spending $10-20-30K+ on his decked out 4WD (interesting, the 4
and $ use the same key) will probably be a bit more considerate than the guy
who only spent $500 on a whim. <br>
As far as the Copper Sticker goes, I will more than gladly pony up my $20 if it
can provide better patrolling to remove the jerques from the area.<br>
<br>
Brian Casteel wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>I tend to agree. I'm a member of one of the 4x4 clubs in town, and we all<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>follow a tread lightly philosophy. Environmental groups looking for a + in<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the 'designated wilderness' use ATV tracks as their prime examples, but lump<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>motorcycles, snowmobiles and full-size 4x4s into the category of destructive<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>users. We've even found that some of the propaganda pictures aren't even of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the area they're trying to get shut down. That said, there isn't a single<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>category of absolute innocents, but in my experience it is primarily ATV<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>riders that tear up the terrain and create most of the spider trails. One<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>of the most beautiful areas I've ever had the opportunity to wheel into was<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the Independence Mine area south of Big Timber, MT. But on the drive to the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>wilderness area boundary, we passed through an area where I counted no less<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>than FIFTEEN spider trails the width of a quad in the same general area.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>These trails were paralleling the main trail through the landscape. We<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>watched (and filmed) a group of guys blow past us and tear across the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>terrain with absolute disregard. Despite ripping them a new hole, they<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>still did it, apparently invincible because they were all wearing revolvers<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>on their hips (our vehicles and persons were equipped enough to fight as a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>small army, but that's beside the point).<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Most often times, it isn't the riders on the true trail ATVs, but the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Predator style rides driven by hotshots with something to prove to the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>masculinity of the world. <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Take</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Bulldog</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Canyon</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> for example, which has its<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>fair share of...incidents. One day I was going for a few caches, and a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>couple people were in a gully shooting illegally. I called a Ranger and<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>they showed up to ruin this guy's day by taking his guns and handing a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>substantial ticket to the tune of I believe $5000. While talking to the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>officer afterwards, we talked about wheelin' in the canyon area, and he was<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>telling me about how 5 or 6 times during every summer, they land a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>helicopter to haul some moron off to get fixed, because they went head-on<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>into a full size vehicle on a blind turn. How did this happen, you ask?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The full-size vehicles have always been doing <15mph to the 40+mph the ATV<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>is doing. They hotrod around corners and can't hear the other vehicle<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>coming because of the high-RPM engine noise. The unintended result is that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the full-size driver has an unwanted passenger via the front windshield.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>When our club goes on rides, at no time are we doing >10mph unless it's a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>flat road and we are in 2WD. The rest of the time it's 4HI or 4LO and we're<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>literally crawling along at only around 3-5mph. The argument is that the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>full-size vehicles have so much more power and can therefore be more<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>destructive. This is true in one way, but not in practical applications<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(most of the time). My vehicle has more power than the average ATV. It has<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>more power to crawl over obstacles at lower speeds, requiring minimal wheel<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>spin to do so. You take an ATV that doesn't have the luxury of 2500lbs of<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>additional weight, and it takes significant wheel spin to overcome that same<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>obstacle, or they'll simply go around on a spider trail. It also seems that<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>either the ATVs I see causing this destruction either don't have 4WD or the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>rider chooses to not use it "because they can". Some of the spider trails<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I've seen were created in areas where the original 2-track was a little<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>bumpy. If it's an ATV people, why the he|| are you looking for the mall<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>crawler way around?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>While unfair in some ways to the motorcycle/ATV enthusiasts, overall they<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>need to better police themselves and not just shake heads when some moron<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>tears across the land on a trail that's being created as they ride. We<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>wheel by example, but there just seems to be too many who choose to ignore<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>that example, and few of them are on anything but ATVs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Some of it is just lack of education on the proper way to recreate on public<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>lands, while some of it is simple common sense. Others yet are just defiant<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and don't care until they wind up in a halo. Even then, it sometimes isn't<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>enough.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Team A.I.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: <a
href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>[<a
href="mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com">mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com</a>] On Behalf Of Roping<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The Wind<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 10:38 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Arizona Game and Fish wants to hear from ou<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite><pre wrap=""><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: <a
href="mailto:AZcachemeister@getnet.com"><AZcachemeister@getnet.com></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Reply-To: <a
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>To: <a
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] FW: Arizona Game and Fish wants to hear from <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ou<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Date: 20 Nov 2006 09:07:50 -0700<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Licensed vehicles will not be required to have the sticker according to the<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre></blockquote>
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style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>(disclaimer: this might be a bit controversial.... call it what you want, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>but this is what I have seen and witnessed, so I can say it 'matter of <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>factly')<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>That is how I understand it. Only UNREGISTERED vehicles have to have this <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>permit. That would be ATC's and ATV's and Motorcycles that are generally <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>trailered to their starting points (and of course rockcrawlers and jeeps <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>that are not driven on the roadways). I knew something like this would <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>eventually happen. The website says something like 'due to the recent heavy <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>growth of off road activities". In my opinion, that huge growth of off road <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>driving is all ATV's and cycles. In my opinion, they are the ones that do <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>the most damage to the environment. Of course, there are good people and bad<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>apples in every group.... but in general, from what I have seen over the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>past 15 years that I have really been paying attention to this stuff... <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>jeeps (and similar vehicles) tend to 'tread lightly'. They usually can be <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>seen just crawling along. Not kicking up a lot of dust (which is another <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>huge issue with the local government agencies) and not tearing up the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>desert. The ATVs/quads and cycles are usually the ones racing across the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>desert, kicking up tons of dust and creating new trails. The area of desert <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>SE of Apache Junction is a PRIME example. That whole area (south of US <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>60/West of State Route 79) and east of the CAP canal) has a good number of <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>trails out there. They used to be all 2 track 'jeep' type trails. Lots of <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>pinstriping along the way! Over the past few years, those 2 track trails <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>have become very wide and sandy. The amount of vegetation along these <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>roads/trails have become very sparse. Why have these trails become so much <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>wider? Why cant the riders stay on the original two tire tracks that used to<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>be the trail? Then after heavy rains, the 'mudders' have to come along and <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>tear the trails up farther by creating huge ruts (this is the reason the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>forest service closes its roads in the winter). Then, the ATV's and Quads <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>come back in and have to ride around the mud hole full of ruts and thus <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>create a new trail... thinning the vegetation and eventually widening the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>trail (this is called 'no respect for the land'). This is what is happening <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and in my opinion is very damaging to the environment. I dont like it one <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>bit and I think the state needs to put a MUCH tighter rein on these ATV's <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>and motorcycles. I know there might be a few on here that rides cycles and <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>quads and I know there are some of them that are very respectful of the <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>land, but in general... these types of vehicles are doing the most damage...<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>due to their popularity. Just my opinion. But I think alot of the Jeep guys <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>will agree with me on this. I have witnessed this first hand as I spend alot<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>of time over this area of desert. and.. no... I dont own a Jeep and I am not<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>a hardcore 4 wheeler. So my opinions are not biased. It's just that I have <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>personally never seen a jeep racing across this area of desert, spewing a <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>ton of dust in the air and tearing up the desert. The most lack of respect <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>for the land, that I have personally seen, is coming from the ATV/quad and <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>cycles sector. Again, I am sure there are alot of very respectful riders out<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>there... but as I said before, due to the popularity of these vehicles, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>there are more bad apples in this group now then there was before.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>This area of desert has become what is known as an OHV area (off highway <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>vehicle). It is a place that these types of vehicles can be ridden. I think <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>with the popularity of them, the state couldnt really 'put a rein' on them, <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>so they just made the area an OHV area (just like the Rolls near Saguaro <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><st1:place
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size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>What is very disspointing to see is that the quads and cycles are now <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>starting to migrate north of the highway and outside the designated OHV <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
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