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[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>ShadowAce<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, August 04, 2006 2:49
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">listserv@azgeocaching.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] need
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font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold'>When looking for the cache you don't need
to go too close to the cliff so stay back and be careful with the kids.</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><br>
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Sounds to me like it might be at the top of cliffs. <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=gmailquote><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 8/4/06, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Roping
The Wind</span></b> <<a href="mailto:arizcowboy@hotmail.com">arizcowboy@hotmail.com</a>>
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Well, this is the cache that I am refering to the climb to...GCXD8W. This<br>
cache is on top of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Oak Creek</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Canyon</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> (on the east side,
about straight up<br>
from West Fork trailhead... which is just up the road from Slide Rock). <br>
There is 1000' feet of elevation gain in less than 1/4 miles (0.23 to be<br>
exact, from the closest spot on highway 89A). To get to the cache, you can<br>
drive in on 4x4 and quad roads off of I-17. Of course, that requires alot of <br>
miles of driving alot of miles south on 179 and then driving back north on<br>
I-17. Plus, I need a good off roadable vehicle to get back there (possibly,<br>
so says the cache page). Why spend all that money in $3 a gallon gas and <br>
help support the record profits the oil companies are enjoying (at our<br>
expense) when I can drive a short 10 minute drive up the road from my house<br>
and park less than 1/4 mile away and hike to this cache? It saves money in <br>
gas, saves wear and tear on the truck and gives me some much needed<br>
exercise! :) Anyways, I was planning on going for the first find on this<br>
cache a few days ago when it posted. I was going to drive up the road and <br>
scope it out and if it looked doable, make the climb to the cache. Well,<br>
that day was the day of the mudslides in Oak Creek Canyon (OCC) and the<br>
highway was closed. Well, that day or the next... someone else got the first <br>
find by taking quads into the cache from on top by I-17. :(<br>
<br>
Anyways, I might have answered my question with this cache.... GCXCMM. I<br>
just got the first find on it a couple of days ago. It is an 840 foot climb <br>
in 0.30 miles. But really it is about 700 plus feet of climbing in 0.19<br>
miles, where the climb really starts. It was steep! I dont think I have<br>
climbed a slope that steep, other than actually climbing rocks almost <br>
straight up! The angle of attack on this cache, as per the profile on<br>
mapsource software, is pretty consistant with the angle of attack for<br>
GCXD8W. Except, there is a couple hundred more feet of elevation for this <br>
cache than there was for GCXCMM.<br>
<br>
The vegetation in OCC is mostly pine trees in the area where I would have to<br>
climb it. The lower part of the canyon is not very hiker friendly if you<br>
arent on a trail. It is very thick in manzanita bushes and catclaw and <br>
stuff. However, the upper part of the canyon is more navigable off trail. I<br>
still hope to try and make the climb up from the bottom for GCXD8W sometime<br>
soon. That is, at least go out and take a look at it and see if it is even <br>
doable.<br>
<br>
Scott<br>
Team Ropingthewind<br>
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