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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have found that most SAR teams, at least
the ones I have been with, prefer the UTM method.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Unfortunately the helo’s that we work
with use lat/long.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>We usually run with
one GPS in lat/long and one in UTM so we don’t have to change the
settings for the command post.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ed Philpott (Trail Gypsy)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>MCSO</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> </span></font><st1:PlaceType><span class=SpellE><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Mtn</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>.</span></font></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> Rescue<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-bounces@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Trisha Brasher<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February 23, 2006
6:15 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache
Clash~ digress to SAR</span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>SEE? Thanks Dirk!! I knew that someone from
"flatland' SAR (Phoenix/Tucson areas) would know UTM very well. We don't
use it up here (yet) in Yavapai Co, but we have had to learn it for when we
work a large search with units from your areas. The first time a Maricopa Mtn
SAR guy reported his position in UTM to me on the radio (on the Lake Mary
search about 5 years ago, and btw we did find the 2 brothers alive after almost
3 days in December freezing weather!) I turned to my Capt, who was ex-Marine,
and immediately had him start plotting positions. It was especially important
as it was the middle of the night and these specialized rescue teams were being
inserted along the sides of a steep canyon (Mormon Cyn) so we needed to be sure
we had good position reports. But, I digress....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Trisha ~ Lightning<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><a href="http://www.ycjp.org">www.ycjp.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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From: ShadowAce <br>
<SHADOWACE.AZ@GMAIL.COM>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Clash<br>
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:46:07 -0700<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/FieldMethods/UTMSystem.htm">http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/FieldMethods/UTMSystem.htm</a><br>
<br>
this site is very informative and explains how UTM works. UTM would look
something like:<br>
12S E 385060 N 3704249 for the Drinking hole cache #16 <br>
or the DMM we know as N 33 28.293 W 112 14.220<br>
<br>
The reason it is easier to determine distance on a smaller scale is UTM is
metric, so lets say someone gave you those numbers and told you to go 100
meters west.<br>
<br>
With UTM the coordinates would become: <br>
12S E 385160 N 3704249<br>
while in DMM it would become:<br>
N 33 28.293, W 112 14.155<br>
<br>
It is easier to add to metric in UTM or subtract then to try to figure out the
distance in Lat Long.. <br>
.001 degrees in Long for the Flagstaff area is about 4.9 feet while .001
degrees Lat is about 6.07 feet<br>
<br>
In Tucson the distances are 5.15 feet for Long and 6.07 for Lat<br>
<br>
The differences are minor, but in some areas DMM formats are much different
then in others. <br>
<br>
Most GPSr units can handle UTM and you might find a good bit of help on some
projection and calculation type puzzles by trying UTM instead of Lat Long. :)<br
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=gmailquote><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 2/23/06, <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'><a href="mailto:crystalh@cox.net">crystalh@cox.net</a></span></b>
<<a href="mailto:crystalh@cox.net">crystalh@cox.net</a>> wrote:</span></font></span>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>OK, so for those of us boneheads that don't know what
that means, could you tell us what UTM is? I could Google it, but
it's so much more fun to hear it from the "pros".<br>
<br>
Crystal<br>
HinkleHouse<br>
><br>
> From: "Trisha Brasher" <<a href="mailto:trisha@brasher.com">trisha@brasher.com</a>><br>
> Date: 2006/02/23 Thu PM 01:54:09 PST<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com </a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Clash<br>
><br>
> Find someone ex-military (or SAR) to teach you UTM.<br>
><br>
> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> From: "Apryl Clark"<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Clash<br>
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:09:27 -0700<br>
><br>
> I think there was mention about this last year and someone <br>
> participated in it?<br>
><br>
> Apryl<br>
><br>
>
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> From: <<a
href="mailto:crystalh@cox.net">crystalh@cox.net </a>><br>
> Reply-To: <a
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a><br>
> To: <<a
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</a>><br>
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Cache Clash <br>
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:31:43 -0800<br>
> >Hi everyone,<br>
> ><br>
> >I just stumbled across this today and I don't
know anything<br>
> about it except what is mentioned in the text I
pasted below. On <br>
> the main website<br>
> (<a
href="http://www.sierraadventuresports.com/sierrahome2events.htm">http://www.sierraadventuresports.com/sierrahome2events.htm</a>)
it<br>
> mentions the date as 5/20/06. Anyone
else know anything? <br>
> ><br>
> >Crystal<br>
> >HinkleHouse<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >What is a Cache Clash you ask? Have you ever
heard of<br>
> Geocaching? Well, we're going to hide
25-35 cache's around a <br>
> very large area, and give you a list of UTM
coordinates to find<br>
> them. You'll need a GPS unit to find
them as they will be hidden<br>
> well. There is some strategy involved
in deciding if you want to <br>
> just plug all the coordinates in to your system
and let it point<br>
> you to them, or whether you would like to plot
them on maps and<br>
> only use your GPS unit when you're real
close. There is also <br>
> strategy in your route choice.<br>
> ><br>
> >The first person or team done within in a
maximum of 3 hours<br>
> will win. If nobody has completed it in
3 hours, the person or<br>
> team who has found the highest number of cache's
will <br>
> win. Solo's will be $35 and teams of 2
$55. Both solo's and<br>
> teams may carry a maximum of 2 GPS units with
them. Sponsor<br>
> provided prizes will be awarded to first place in
both<br>
> categories, and everyone's finish will be listed
here on our <br>
> results page. The Phoenix Cache Clash will begin
at 7:30 a.m. and<br>
> close at 10:30 a.m. You'll need to show
up earlier though to<br>
> sign a waiver and get signed in. We'll have a
pre-event meeting <br>
> at 7:00.<br>
> ><br>
> >Register now by click on the <a
href="http://active.com/">Active.com</a> button here:<br>
> ><br>
> >The Cache Clash will be traveling to Phoenix,
Denver, & LA. If <br>
> well received, plan on East Coast and Midwest
Cache Clash's in<br>
> the summer and fall.<br>
> ><br>
> >What is a Cache? The cache's we
place will be small containers,<br>
> about the size of a soup can, containing a slip of
paper (or some <br>
> other trinket) identifying that you've been there.<br>
> >What is a GPS unit? GPS stands for
Global Positioning<br>
> System. You may have seen people here
and there walking around<br>
> carrying what looks like a thick cell phone or
calculator, and <br>
> oddly searching for something amongst a pile of
rocks or<br>
> bushes. They can be purchased at REI,
electronics stores, map<br>
> stores, and they're becoming increasingly popular
in<br>
> vehicles. They cost anywhere from
$80-$500 depending on <br>
> features, though all of them are able to read
satellite signals<br>
> being beamed toward earth, and they tell you
exactly where you<br>
> are.<br>
> >What modes of travel are
allowed? All travel must be done on <br>
> foot, so bring plenty of water and energy
bars. We'll get<br>
> started early so you won't be out in the terrible
heat.<br>
> >Can teams work together? We ask
that you do not as it would<br>
> give you an unfair advantage. <br>
> >How can I learn more about Geocaching and
using a GPS unit? You<br>
> can find a plethora of information about
Geocaching at<br>
> <a href="http://www.navicache.com/">www.NaviCache.com</a>
& <a href="http://geocaching.com/">Geocaching.com</a> and if you want to
learn how<br>
> to use your GPS unit, REI holds regular clinics on
using<br>
> them. You may be surprised when you
find that there are probably <br>
> cache's hidden right near your home now.<br>
> >Why do I need a map? You could
actually do it without the map,<br>
> and many GPS units have software built in that
would show you<br>
> where the cache's are. Some people
however prefer to see the <br>
> "Big Picture" in order to plan their
route. Plotting 25<br>
> coordinates will take some time, though may make a
sizeable<br>
> difference when it comes to which direction you
want to go to <br>
> seek the cache's.<br>
> >Where else will you hide cache's besides under
rocks? We may<br>
> also hide them within reach on a short tree, in a
saguaro boot,<br>
> in a cave, bushes, under bridges, etc. <br>
> >How big of an area will be used? We
anticipate using an area of<br>
> about 4 square miles, though we may adjust this
for varying<br>
> terrain.<br>
> >Where will the Cache Clash take
place? We anticipate using a <br>
> rural area, possibly near one of our lakes, or in
a large park<br>
> like the Phoenix Mountain Preserve.<br>
> >What about a t-shirt? T-shirts will
be available for purchase<br>
> for $12 when you register. You must
register at least 3 weeks <br>
> prior to the event in order to purchase a t-shirt,
and they will<br>
> be distributed at the event.<br>
> >You're an Adventure Racing company, why are
you putting on this<br>
> event? A big part of Adventure Racing
is using maps, compasses <br>
> and coordinates. Many of us also do it
for fun, and orienteering<br>
> practice so it makes a great crossover
sport. There is another<br>
> fun activity called Orienteering that bears some
similarities as <br>
> well, and the Phoenix Orienteering club, along
with the Tucson<br>
> Orienteering club put on some great events year
round.<br>
> >What kind of people will be doing
this? Geocacher's are a wide <br>
> range of people. All age groups and
abilities are<br>
> represented. If you can hike around the
desert, it's likely you<br>
> can complete this event. Some will be
competitive going out real<br>
> fast, though probably 80% will be out for fun and
adventure.<br>
> >What do I need to bring with me? A
GPS unit, and a method of<br>
> carrying enough water to keep you well
hydrated. Trail type<br>
> shoes are best, and you may want some sort of
energy bars and an<br>
> electrolyte replacement like
Gatorade. You may also want a spare<br>
> set of batteries for your unit.<br>
> >How will we receive our
coordinates? We'll write them all down <br>
> on a large board and you'll need to transcribe
them to your paper<br>
> or input them directly into your GPS unit. If the
group is very<br>
> large, we may use multiple boards, or elect to
hand them out on a <br>
> sheet of paper.<br>
> ><br>
> >More info will be posted in the next couple of
weeks. Look for<br>
> Cache Clashes in Denver and LA soon!<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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