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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, If I wanted to go check out that cache I
would have to say that I was just taking a hike and enjoying the
scenery.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=shadowace.az@gmail.com
href="mailto:shadowace.az@gmail.com">ShadowAce</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=listserv@azgeocaching.com
href="mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:55
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] permit
checked</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>We have also been stopped.<BR><BR>We were going to GCHQ2H and
as we approached the gate we were asked if we had a permit by the sheriff that
was sitting at the location.<BR><BR>I think we have had to show our permit a
total of three times. I am aware of a cache down south of Tucson that was
archived because of issues with the person leasing the state land. She was
calling the sheriff every time someone came on the property to check them for
a permit. <BR><BR> GCK0FE is the cache that caused ahuge stink for some
cachers visiting by:<BR><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN id=CacheLogs><FONT
face=Verdana size=2><STRONG><A style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=41799e27-9568-4241-b678-d8f254ef6612">Rata
Amarillo</A></STRONG> </FONT></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT
style="FONT-STYLE: italic" face=Verdana size=2><SPAN id=CacheLogs><FONT
face=Verdana size=2>We went out to try finding this one and we were met with a
blocked cattle gate! Someone has wired across the gate making this cache
inaccessible by vehicle. I called the State Land Dept to report this as we
have a permit and it is illegal to block access. After a couple of calls back
and forth I received a call this evening (Wednesday the 5th) and the
information that was shared was this: apparently the entrance to that parcel
is privately owned, the man I spoke to in the state dept asked what we wanted
to drive in there for and I explained that we wanted to see the area and we
also were looking for a geocache. He stated that he didn't think that
geocaching was permissible on state land as a box is left behind (he already
was aware of what geocaching was, I didn't enlighten him). I said that I was
simply calling to inform the State Land Dept that I thought someone was
blocking access illegally. He thanked me for the info and informed me that
there is a foot access gate on the east side of the chunk of land if someone
wants to walk in.<BR>Good luck to anyone else! <BR><SPAN
style="FONT-STYLE: italic"><BR></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana
size=2><SPAN id=CacheLogs><FONT face=Verdana size=2><STRONG><A
style="TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=a5c4187c-84a6-4273-98cf-c9d11ef932d0">Roving
Sprite</A></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></FONT><BR><FONT style="FONT-STYLE: italic"
face=Verdana size=2><SPAN id=CacheLogs><FONT face=Verdana size=2>Verrrry
Interestinnng! We found the cache and also much evidence of horses (although
we didn't see any.) When we arrived back at our jeep we also found the local
county sheriff (Deputy Karchner of the Karchner Caverns family fame) and a
neighbor lady. Deputy Karchner informed us that we had been trespassing on
"State Land" and that the lady present had called the sheriff's office since
she had a permit to allow her horses to graze on this property and felt that
we had no right to be there. Unfortunately, we did not have a permit as the
woodcutter recommends above (didn't read his note until after we got back
home.) A discussion ensued relative to "what if we did have a permit" - the
lady claiming that even if we had one it would still not have been legal for
us to go looking for the cache. All agreed that hiking across the land is
allowed if you have a permit - the lady however, felt that geocaching does not
fall under the definition of "hiking". Interesting legal question!! Deputy
Karchner did not state his opionion on the matter. In any case, he took no
action against us (probably took pity on two old codgers in their 60s and 70s
wandering through the desert!) BE WARNED!! Anyone going after this geocache
without a State Trust Land permit is likely to be challenged by the local
horse lady who seems to be willing to quickly contact the sheriff's office.
And even if you have a permit, this lady may still challenge you! She also
warned us that this area is known to be a "drug" exchange area and "you could
easily get hit by cars flipping off the freeway" - not sure exactly what she
meant by this, but she was obviously trying to dissuade us from coming back.
Left arrowhead and copper sample. Returned home with a story to tell to our
wives. At least we didn't have to call them to "come bail us
out!"</FONT></SPAN></FONT><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 2/20/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>connie
stahlman</B> <<A href="mailto:cstahlman@yahoo.com">
cstahlman@yahoo.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Yes
to being checked for permits! A bunch of us were ATVing out around Queen
Valley and were stopped. Most of us had permits but 2 did not and had to
fill out applications and PAY right there on the spot. We all had to loan
them money to get enough for the 2 permits. We were told it is ok to make
copies of the permit so you can have one in each vehicle and one in you
wallet.
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