[Az-Geocaching] Another Lie about Nasa..

EvilFISH listserv@azgeocaching.com
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maybe why no one has found it in like 8 months

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  From: Brian Casteel=20
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another Lie about Nasa..


  Nobody said one couldn't bring their own talking stick.  :)  The only =
downside is the rest of the contents would get wet, and the paper might =
fall apart if it isn't the kind that you can write on when wet.

  Brian
  Team A.I.

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: EvilFISH=20
    To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 4:14 PM
    Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another Lie about Nasa..


    pencil already there sorry

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Brian Casteel=20
      To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
      Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:04 PM
      Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another Lie about Nasa..


      You could use it to log the underwater cache (I think it's Minus =
30) by Team Evil Fish.  :)

      Brian
      Team A.I.

        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: HumNummaHumma=20
        To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
        Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:49 PM
        Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another Lie about Nasa..


        Yeah, I actually bought one of those space pens a few years =
back. They're really cool when you need to write on vertical surfaces or =
upside down. I never got to experiment with its claim that it could =
write underwater as well. Not sure when I would need that feature?

        Eventually, the pressure in the pen started gushing the ink out, =
so I would have a general mess every time I used it. Fischer was nice =
enough to send me a free replacement, but the same thing happened with =
that pen after six months. I have since lost it and haven't replaced it.

        Pretty cool pen, though.

        -Brent



        ShadowAce <hunting@shakabruddah.com> wrote:
          TEF writes:
          I was told this story as a kid by my neighbor who was for the =
most part
          correct with his stories

          When NASA was given the task of what the astronauts would =
write with in
          space, spent millions of dollars to come up with the ball =
point pen. While
          in Russia given the same question replied was ah we'll use a =
pencil.

          ---------------------------------------

          Now we get to see why it is so funny to sit and listen to some =
people.
          ---------------------------------------

          http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp


          Fisher did ultimately develop a pressurized pen for use by =
NASA astronauts
          (now known as the famous "Fisher Space Pen"), but both =
American and Soviet
          space missions initially used pencils, NASA did not seek out =
Fisher and ask
          them to develop a "space pen," Fisher did not charge NASA for =
the cost of
          developing the pen, and the Fisher pen was eventually used by =
both American
          and Soviet astronauts.

          Here's how Fisher themselves described it:

          NASA never asked Paul C. Fisher to produce a pen. When the =
astronauts began
          to fly, like the Russians, they used pencils, but the leads =
sometimes broke
          and became a hazard by floating in the [capsule's] atmosphere =
where there
          was no gravity. They could float into an eye or nose or cause =
a short in an
          electrical device. In addition, both the lead and the wood of =
the pencil
          could burn rapidly in the pure oxygen atmosphere. Paul Fisher =
realized the
          astronauts needed a safer and more dependable writing =
instrument, so in July
          1965 he developed the pressurized ball pen, with its ink =
enclosed in a
          sealed, pressurized ink cartridge. Fisher sent the first =
samples to Dr.
          Robert Gilruth, Director of the Houston Space Center. The pens =
were all
          metal except for the ink, which had a flash point abo! ve =
200=B0C. The sample
          Space Pens were thoroughly tested by NASA. They passed all the =
tests and
          have been used ever since on all manned space flights, =
American and Russian.
          All research and developement costs were paid by Paul Fisher. =
No development
          costs have ever been charged to the government.

          Because of the fire in Apollo 1, in which three Astronauts =
died, NASA
          required a writing instrument that would not burn in a 100% =
oxygen
          atmosphere. It also had to work in the extreme conditions of =
outer space:
          In a vacuum.
          With no gravity.
          In hot temperatures of +150=B0C in sunlight and also in the =
cold shadows of
          space where the temperatures drop to -120=B0C
          (NASA tested the pressurized Space Pens at -50=B0C, but =
because of the
          residential [sic] heat in the pen it also writes for many =
minutes in the
          cold shadows.)

          Fisher spent over one million dollars in trying to perfect the =
ball point
          pen before he made his first successful pressurized! pens in =
1965. Samples
          were immediately sent to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Manager of the =
Houston Space
          Center, where they were thoroughly tested and approved for use =
in Space in
          September 1965. In December 1967 he sold 400 Fisher Space Pens =
to NASA for
          $2.95 each.

          Lead pencils were used on all Mercury and Gemini space flights =
and all
          Russian space flights prior to 1968. Fisher Space Pens are =
more dependable
          than lead pencils and cannot create the hazard of a broken =
piece of lead
          floating through the gravity-less atmosphere.
          Sightings: This legend was mentioned in an episode of NBC's =
The West Wing
          TV series ("We Killed Yamamoto"; original air date 15 May =
2002).





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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>maybe why no one has found it in like 8 =

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  about Nasa..</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nobody said one couldn't bring their =
own talking=20
  stick.&nbsp; :)&nbsp; The only downside is the rest of the contents =
would get=20
  wet, and the paper might fall apart if it isn't the kind that you can =
write on=20
  when wet.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>pencil already there =
sorry</FONT></DIV>
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      Lie about Nasa..</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You could use it to log the =
underwater cache=20
      (I think it's Minus 30) by Team Evil Fish.&nbsp; :)</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September =
11, 2004=20
        3:49 PM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching]=20
        Another Lie about Nasa..</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV>Yeah, I actually bought one of those space pens a few years =
back.=20
        They're really cool when you need to write on vertical surfaces =
or=20
        upside down. I never got to experiment with its claim that it =
could=20
        write underwater as well. Not sure when I would need that =
feature?</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Eventually, the pressure in the pen started gushing the ink =
out, so=20
        I would have a general mess every time I used it. Fischer was =
nice=20
        enough to send me&nbsp;a free replacement, but the same thing =
happened=20
        with that pen after six months. I have since lost it and haven't =

        replaced it.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>Pretty cool pen, though.</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>-Brent</DIV>
        <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>ShadowAce =
&lt;hunting@shakabruddah.com&gt;</I></B>=20
        wrote:</DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20
        style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
#1010ff 2px solid">TEF=20
          writes:<BR>I was told this story as a kid by my neighbor who =
was for=20
          the most part<BR>correct with his stories<BR><BR>When NASA was =
given=20
          the task of what the astronauts would write with in<BR>space, =
spent=20
          millions of dollars to come up with the ball point pen. =
While<BR>in=20
          Russia given the same question replied was ah we'll use a=20
          =
pencil.<BR><BR>---------------------------------------<BR><BR>Now we=20
          get to see why it is so funny to sit and listen to some=20
          =
people.<BR>---------------------------------------<BR><BR>http://www.snop=
es.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp<BR><BR><BR>Fisher=20
          did ultimately develop a pressurized pen for use by NASA=20
          astronauts<BR>(now known as the famous "Fisher Space Pen"), =
but both=20
          American and Soviet<BR>space missions initially used pencils, =
NASA did=20
          not seek out Fisher and ask<BR>them to develop a "space pen," =
Fisher=20
          did not charge NASA for the cost of<BR>developing the pen, and =
the=20
          Fisher pen was eventually used by both American<BR>and Soviet=20
          astronauts.<BR><BR>Here's how Fisher themselves described=20
          it:<BR><BR>NASA never asked Paul C. Fisher to produce a pen. =
When the=20
          astronauts began<BR>to fly, like the Russians, they used =
pencils, but=20
          the leads sometimes broke<BR>and became a hazard by floating =
in the=20
          [capsule's] atmosphere where there<BR>was no gravity. They =
could float=20
          into an eye or nose or cause a short in an<BR>electrical =
device. In=20
          addition, both the lead and the wood of the pencil<BR>could =
burn=20
          rapidly in the pure oxygen atmosphere. Paul Fisher realized=20
          the<BR>astronauts needed a safer and more dependable writing=20
          instrument, so in July<BR>1965 he developed the pressurized =
ball pen,=20
          with its ink enclosed in a<BR>sealed, pressurized ink =
cartridge.=20
          Fisher sent the first samples to Dr.<BR>Robert Gilruth, =
Director of=20
          the Houston Space Center. The pens were all<BR>metal except =
for the=20
          ink, which had a flash point abo! ve 200=B0C. The =
sample<BR>Space Pens=20
          were thoroughly tested by NASA. They passed all the tests =
and<BR>have=20
          been used ever since on all manned space flights, American and =

          Russian.<BR>All research and developement costs were paid by =
Paul=20
          Fisher. No development<BR>costs have ever been charged to the=20
          government.<BR><BR>Because of the fire in Apollo 1, in which =
three=20
          Astronauts died, NASA<BR>required a writing instrument that =
would not=20
          burn in a 100% oxygen<BR>atmosphere. It also had to work in =
the=20
          extreme conditions of outer space:<BR>In a vacuum.<BR>With no=20
          gravity.<BR>In hot temperatures of +150=B0C in sunlight and =
also in the=20
          cold shadows of<BR>space where the temperatures drop to=20
          -120=B0C<BR>(NASA tested the pressurized Space Pens at =
-50=B0C, but=20
          because of the<BR>residential [sic] heat in the pen it also =
writes for=20
          many minutes in the<BR>cold shadows.)<BR><BR>Fisher spent over =
one=20
          million dollars in trying to perfect the ball point<BR>pen =
before he=20
          made his first successful pressurized! pens in 1965. =
Samples<BR>were=20
          immediately sent to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Manager of the Houston =

          Space<BR>Center, where they were thoroughly tested and =
approved for=20
          use in Space in<BR>September 1965. In December 1967 he sold =
400 Fisher=20
          Space Pens to NASA for<BR>$2.95 each.<BR><BR>Lead pencils were =
used on=20
          all Mercury and Gemini space flights and all<BR>Russian space =
flights=20
          prior to 1968. Fisher Space Pens are more dependable<BR>than =
lead=20
          pencils and cannot create the hazard of a broken piece of=20
          lead<BR>floating through the gravity-less =
atmosphere.<BR>Sightings:=20
          This legend was mentioned in an episode of NBC's The West =
Wing<BR>TV=20
          series ("We Killed Yamamoto"; original air date 15 May=20
          =
2002).<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>___________________________________________=
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