[Az-Geocaching] Another Lie about Nasa..

Brian Casteel listserv@azgeocaching.com
Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:21:12 -0600


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Nobody said one couldn't bring their own talking stick.  :)  The only =
downside is the rest of the contents would get wet, and the paper might =
fall apart if it isn't the kind that you can write on when wet.

Brian
Team A.I.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: EvilFISH=20
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 4:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another Lie about Nasa..


  pencil already there sorry

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Brian Casteel=20
    To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:04 PM
    Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another Lie about Nasa..


    You could use it to log the underwater cache (I think it's Minus 30) =
by Team Evil Fish.  :)

    Brian
    Team A.I.

      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: HumNummaHumma=20
      To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
      Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 3:49 PM
      Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Another Lie about Nasa..


      Yeah, I actually bought one of those space pens a few years back. =
They're really cool when you need to write on vertical surfaces or =
upside down. I never got to experiment with its claim that it could =
write underwater as well. Not sure when I would need that feature?

      Eventually, the pressure in the pen started gushing the ink out, =
so I would have a general mess every time I used it. Fischer was nice =
enough to send me a free replacement, but the same thing happened with =
that pen after six months. I have since lost it and haven't replaced it.

      Pretty cool pen, though.

      -Brent



      ShadowAce <hunting@shakabruddah.com> wrote:
        TEF writes:
        I was told this story as a kid by my neighbor who was for the =
most part
        correct with his stories

        When NASA was given the task of what the astronauts would write =
with in
        space, spent millions of dollars to come up with the ball point =
pen. While
        in Russia given the same question replied was ah we'll use a =
pencil.

        ---------------------------------------

        Now we get to see why it is so funny to sit and listen to some =
people.
        ---------------------------------------

        http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp


        Fisher did ultimately develop a pressurized pen for use by NASA =
astronauts
        (now known as the famous "Fisher Space Pen"), but both American =
and Soviet
        space missions initially used pencils, NASA did not seek out =
Fisher and ask
        them to develop a "space pen," Fisher did not charge NASA for =
the cost of
        developing the pen, and the Fisher pen was eventually used by =
both American
        and Soviet astronauts.

        Here's how Fisher themselves described it:

        NASA never asked Paul C. Fisher to produce a pen. When the =
astronauts began
        to fly, like the Russians, they used pencils, but the leads =
sometimes broke
        and became a hazard by floating in the [capsule's] atmosphere =
where there
        was no gravity. They could float into an eye or nose or cause a =
short in an
        electrical device. In addition, both the lead and the wood of =
the pencil
        could burn rapidly in the pure oxygen atmosphere. Paul Fisher =
realized the
        astronauts needed a safer and more dependable writing =
instrument, so in July
        1965 he developed the pressurized ball pen, with its ink =
enclosed in a
        sealed, pressurized ink cartridge. Fisher sent the first samples =
to Dr.
        Robert Gilruth, Director of the Houston Space Center. The pens =
were all
        metal except for the ink, which had a flash point abo! ve =
200=B0C. The sample
        Space Pens were thoroughly tested by NASA. They passed all the =
tests and
        have been used ever since on all manned space flights, American =
and Russian.
        All research and developement costs were paid by Paul Fisher. No =
development
        costs have ever been charged to the government.

        Because of the fire in Apollo 1, in which three Astronauts died, =
NASA
        required a writing instrument that would not burn in a 100% =
oxygen
        atmosphere. It also had to work in the extreme conditions of =
outer space:
        In a vacuum.
        With no gravity.
        In hot temperatures of +150=B0C in sunlight and also in the cold =
shadows of
        space where the temperatures drop to -120=B0C
        (NASA tested the pressurized Space Pens at -50=B0C, but because =
of the
        residential [sic] heat in the pen it also writes for many =
minutes in the
        cold shadows.)

        Fisher spent over one million dollars in trying to perfect the =
ball point
        pen before he made his first successful pressurized! pens in =
1965. Samples
        were immediately sent to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Manager of the =
Houston Space
        Center, where they were thoroughly tested and approved for use =
in Space in
        September 1965. In December 1967 he sold 400 Fisher Space Pens =
to NASA for
        $2.95 each.

        Lead pencils were used on all Mercury and Gemini space flights =
and all
        Russian space flights prior to 1968. Fisher Space Pens are more =
dependable
        than lead pencils and cannot create the hazard of a broken piece =
of lead
        floating through the gravity-less atmosphere.
        Sightings: This legend was mentioned in an episode of NBC's The =
West Wing
        TV series ("We Killed Yamamoto"; original air date 15 May 2002).





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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nobody said one couldn't bring their =
own talking=20
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would get=20
wet, and the paper might fall apart if it isn't the kind that you can =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
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Another Lie=20
  about Nasa..</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>pencil already there =
sorry</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September 11, =
2004 3:04=20
    PM</DIV>
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Another=20
    Lie about Nasa..</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You could use it to log the =
underwater cache (I=20
    think it's Minus 30) by Team Evil Fish.&nbsp; :)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
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      href=3D"mailto:humnummahumma@yahoo.com">HumNummaHumma</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
      title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
      =
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      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, September =
11, 2004=20
      3:49 PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching] Another=20
      Lie about Nasa..</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>Yeah, I actually bought one of those space pens a few years =
back.=20
      They're really cool when you need to write on vertical surfaces or =
upside=20
      down. I never got to experiment with its claim that it could write =

      underwater as well. Not sure when I would need that feature?</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Eventually, the pressure in the pen started gushing the ink =
out, so I=20
      would have a general mess every time I used it. Fischer was nice =
enough to=20
      send me&nbsp;a free replacement, but the same thing happened with =
that pen=20
      after six months. I have since lost it and haven't replaced =
it.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Pretty cool pen, though.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>-Brent</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>ShadowAce =
&lt;hunting@shakabruddah.com&gt;</I></B>=20
      wrote:</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20
      style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px solid">TEF=20
        writes:<BR>I was told this story as a kid by my neighbor who was =
for the=20
        most part<BR>correct with his stories<BR><BR>When NASA was given =
the=20
        task of what the astronauts would write with in<BR>space, spent =
millions=20
        of dollars to come up with the ball point pen. While<BR>in =
Russia given=20
        the same question replied was ah we'll use a=20
        =
pencil.<BR><BR>---------------------------------------<BR><BR>Now we get =

        to see why it is so funny to sit and listen to some=20
        =
people.<BR>---------------------------------------<BR><BR>http://www.snop=
es.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp<BR><BR><BR>Fisher=20
        did ultimately develop a pressurized pen for use by NASA=20
        astronauts<BR>(now known as the famous "Fisher Space Pen"), but =
both=20
        American and Soviet<BR>space missions initially used pencils, =
NASA did=20
        not seek out Fisher and ask<BR>them to develop a "space pen," =
Fisher did=20
        not charge NASA for the cost of<BR>developing the pen, and the =
Fisher=20
        pen was eventually used by both American<BR>and Soviet=20
        astronauts.<BR><BR>Here's how Fisher themselves described=20
        it:<BR><BR>NASA never asked Paul C. Fisher to produce a pen. =
When the=20
        astronauts began<BR>to fly, like the Russians, they used =
pencils, but=20
        the leads sometimes broke<BR>and became a hazard by floating in =
the=20
        [capsule's] atmosphere where there<BR>was no gravity. They could =
float=20
        into an eye or nose or cause a short in an<BR>electrical device. =
In=20
        addition, both the lead and the wood of the pencil<BR>could burn =
rapidly=20
        in the pure oxygen atmosphere. Paul Fisher realized =
the<BR>astronauts=20
        needed a safer and more dependable writing instrument, so in=20
        July<BR>1965 he developed the pressurized ball pen, with its ink =

        enclosed in a<BR>sealed, pressurized ink cartridge. Fisher sent =
the=20
        first samples to Dr.<BR>Robert Gilruth, Director of the Houston =
Space=20
        Center. The pens were all<BR>metal except for the ink, which had =
a flash=20
        point abo! ve 200=B0C. The sample<BR>Space Pens were thoroughly =
tested by=20
        NASA. They passed all the tests and<BR>have been used ever since =
on all=20
        manned space flights, American and Russian.<BR>All research and=20
        developement costs were paid by Paul Fisher. No =
development<BR>costs=20
        have ever been charged to the government.<BR><BR>Because of the =
fire in=20
        Apollo 1, in which three Astronauts died, NASA<BR>required a =
writing=20
        instrument that would not burn in a 100% oxygen<BR>atmosphere. =
It also=20
        had to work in the extreme conditions of outer space:<BR>In a=20
        vacuum.<BR>With no gravity.<BR>In hot temperatures of +150=B0C =
in sunlight=20
        and also in the cold shadows of<BR>space where the temperatures =
drop to=20
        -120=B0C<BR>(NASA tested the pressurized Space Pens at -50=B0C, =
but because=20
        of the<BR>residential [sic] heat in the pen it also writes for =
many=20
        minutes in the<BR>cold shadows.)<BR><BR>Fisher spent over one =
million=20
        dollars in trying to perfect the ball point<BR>pen before he =
made his=20
        first successful pressurized! pens in 1965. Samples<BR>were =
immediately=20
        sent to Dr. Robert Gilruth, Manager of the Houston =
Space<BR>Center,=20
        where they were thoroughly tested and approved for use in Space=20
        in<BR>September 1965. In December 1967 he sold 400 Fisher Space =
Pens to=20
        NASA for<BR>$2.95 each.<BR><BR>Lead pencils were used on all =
Mercury and=20
        Gemini space flights and all<BR>Russian space flights prior to =
1968.=20
        Fisher Space Pens are more dependable<BR>than lead pencils and =
cannot=20
        create the hazard of a broken piece of lead<BR>floating through =
the=20
        gravity-less atmosphere.<BR>Sightings: This legend was mentioned =
in an=20
        episode of NBC's The West Wing<BR>TV series ("We Killed =
Yamamoto";=20
        original air date 15 May=20
        =
2002).<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>___________________________________________=
_________________<BR>Az-Geocaching=20
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