[Az-Geocaching] NASA in mourning
Brian Casteel
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Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----=20
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Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] NASA in mourning
been offline all day, where can I see the video of the fall? By now, I =
think the news has stopped showing it.
Brian Casteel <bcasteel@uccinc.net> wrote:=20
$260 million mission, and the end result was equivalent to dropping =
a VERY
large egg from space and watching it hit the ground. From the video =
I
watched, they showed the actual impact (wow, btw), and stated that =
the
plates which held the specimens would likely shatter even if it =
landed using
the chute(s). Too bad the failsafes...failed. The video looked like =
a bad
outtake from Independence Day.
Brian
Team A.I.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Jim Scotti"=20
To: "Arizona Geocaching"=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] NASA in mourning
> Hey Trisha,
> I watched the NASA TV live broadcast of the Genesis entry and =
recovery
> this morning. They showed the usual video feeds from the control =
centers
and
> the ch! oppers flying in formation preparing for the recovery and =
then they
> used a long range camera to pick up the spacecraft as it entered =
overhead,
> first at around 400,000 feet. It was just a white speck against =
the blue
> sky. They continued following it and it looked sorta normal (I =
wasn't
sure
> exactly when things should be happening, so I was relying on the =
NASA
> commentator). You could see the speck change in brightness a =
little and
they
> mentioned it was down to 200,000 feet (it didn't take long to go =
from 400K
to
> 200K feet!). The image got a little clearer and then it started to =
look a
> little oblong and wobbly - I thought it might be an out of focus =
camera
> image, but then it soon was obviously elongated and was clearly =
the
> spacecraft spinning and tumbling it looked like. I was thinking - =
"Wow,
this
> is an excellent camera view, now where's the drogue chute or main =
chute?"
> As it descended, the spinning looked less tumbly and more wobbly =
and I'm
> still wondering about the parachute as it now fills about 20% of =
the
screen
> when suddenly it vanished and then it was obvious that the camera =
was now
> pointed at the ground as it stopped and backed up. I was thinking =
"Uh Oh,
> this can't be good! Did we really just see what I think we saw?" =
when
they
> finally put up an image of the spacecraft, half buried in the dirt =
with
what
> looked like an impact ejecta blanket around it. A bit later, they =
had the
> video from one of the choppers and it was obvious that the =
spacecraft was
> badly damaged with a crack across the spacecraft and it was also =
split in
the
> middle and half buried in its impact crater.
> But hey, the re-entry targeting was right on - it impacted right =
about
> where it was supposed to! It impacted at about 193 miles per hour
(terminal
> velocity for the spacecraft freefalling through the atmosphere). I =
was
> thinking while looking at the images from the chopper that was =
circling
and
> showing the first of the recovery crew arriving onsite in other
helicopters
> that I should make it a virtual geocache, especially when I heard =
them
> announce the preliminary coordinates of the crash site: N40d 07' =
40",
W113d
> 30' 29". Unfortunately, that is on a military base, so I don't =
think it
> would be accessible to use civilians....
>
> Jim.
>
> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 trisha@brasher.com wrote:
>
> > This is a bit off topic (unless they use GPS technology?) but we
probably
> > lost the data from the Genesis project (geez, I sound like a =
Star Trek
> > Movie!) this morning.
> >
> > The project, collecting atoms and data from the sun for the past =
4 years
> > (at a cost of, um, 260 mill) was supposed to re-enter an! d land =
with the
> > help of parachutes, and they were even worried about a =
chute-controlled
> > landing....they had stunt chopper pilots ready to snag the chute =
to give
> > it an even softer landing.
> >
> > Instead, the chutes failed to open and the refrigerator-sized =
capsule
> > crashed to earth in Utah, creating a big crator. All that =
technology and
> > the CHUTE fails??
> >
> > We hope they can recover some of the data. In the meantime, NASA =
flags
> > are at half mast (just kidding)
> >
> > Jim, anything to add?
> >
> > Trisha "Lightning"
> > Prescott Vly
> > ____________________________________________________________
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>
> Jim Scotti
> Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
> University of Arizona
> Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/
>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 08, =
2004 11:38=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
NASA in=20
mourning</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>been offline all day, where can I see the video of the fall? By=20
now, I think the news has stopped showing it.<BR><BR><B><I>Brian =
Casteel=20
<<A =
href=3D"mailto:bcasteel@uccinc.net">bcasteel@uccinc.net</A>></I></B>=20
wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px =
solid">$260=20
million mission, and the end result was equivalent to dropping a=20
VERY<BR>large egg from space and watching it hit the ground. From =
the video=20
I<BR>watched, they showed the actual impact (wow, btw), and stated =
that=20
the<BR>plates which held the specimens would likely shatter even if =
it=20
landed using<BR>the chute(s). Too bad the failsafes...failed. The =
video=20
looked like a bad<BR>outtake from Independence =
Day.<BR><BR>Brian<BR>Team=20
A.I.<BR><BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Jim Scotti"=20
<JSCOTTI@PIRL.LPL.ARIZONA.EDU><BR>To: "Arizona Geocaching"=20
<LISTSERV@AZGEOCACHING.COM><BR>Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 =
2:37=20
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] NASA in mourning<BR><BR><BR>> =
Hey=20
Trisha,<BR>> I watched the NASA TV live broadcast of the Genesis =
entry=20
and recovery<BR>> this morning. They showed the usual video feeds =
from=20
the control centers<BR>and<BR>> the ch! oppers flying in =
formation=20
preparing for the recovery and then they<BR>> used a long range =
camera to=20
pick up the spacecraft as it entered overhead,<BR>> first at =
around=20
400,000 feet. It was just a white speck against the blue<BR>> =
sky. They=20
continued following it and it looked sorta normal (I =
wasn't<BR>sure<BR>>=20
exactly when things should be happening, so I was relying on the=20
NASA<BR>> commentator). You could see the speck change in =
brightness a=20
little and<BR>they<BR>> mentioned it was down to 200,000 feet (it =
didn't=20
take long to go from 400K<BR>to<BR>> 200K feet!). The image got a =
little=20
clearer and then it started to look a<BR>> little oblong and =
wobbly - I=20
thought it might be an out of focus camera<BR>> image, but then =
it soon=20
was obviously elongated and was clearly the<BR>> spacecraft =
spinning and=20
tumbling it looked like. I was thinking - "Wow,<BR>this<BR>> is =
an=20
excellent camera view, now where's the drogue chute or main =
chute?"<BR>>=20
As it descended, the spinning looked less tumbly and more wobbly and =
I'm<BR>> still wondering about the parachute as it now fills =
about 20% of=20
the<BR>screen<BR>> when suddenly it vanished and then it was =
obvious that=20
the camera was now<BR>> pointed at the ground as it stopped and =
backed=20
up. I was thinking "Uh Oh,<BR>> this can't be good! Did we really =
just=20
see what I think we saw?" when<BR>they<BR>> finally put up an =
image of=20
the spacecraft, half buried in the dirt with<BR>what<BR>> looked =
like an=20
impact ejecta blanket around it. A bit later, they had the<BR>> =
video=20
from one of the choppers and it was obvious that the spacecraft =
was<BR>>=20
badly damaged with a crack across the spacecraft and it was also =
split=20
in<BR>the<BR>> middle and half buried in its impact =
crater.<BR>> But=20
hey, the re-entry targeting was right on - it impacted right =
about<BR>>=20
where it was supposed to! It impacted at about 193 miles per=20
hour<BR>(terminal<BR>> velocity for the spacecraft freefalling =
through=20
the atmosphere). I was<BR>> thinking while looking at the images =
from the=20
chopper that was circling<BR>and<BR>> showing the first of the =
recovery=20
crew arriving onsite in other<BR>helicopters<BR>> that I should =
make it a=20
virtual geocache, especially when I heard them<BR>> announce the=20
preliminary coordinates of the crash site: N40d 07' =
40",<BR>W113d<BR>>=20
30' 29". Unfortunately, that is on a military base, so I don't think =
it<BR>> would be accessible to use civilians....<BR>><BR>>=20
Jim.<BR>><BR>> On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 trisha@brasher.com=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>> > This is a bit off topic (unless they use =
GPS=20
technology?) but we<BR>probably<BR>> > lost the data from the =
Genesis=20
project (geez, I sound like a Star Trek<BR>> > Movie!) this=20
morning.<BR>> ><BR>> > The project, collecting atoms and =
data=20
from the sun for the past 4 years<BR>> > (at a cost of, um, =
260 mill)=20
was supposed to re-enter an! d land with the<BR>> > help of=20
parachutes, and they were even worried about a =
chute-controlled<BR>> >=20
landing....they had stunt chopper pilots ready to snag the chute to=20
give<BR>> > it an even softer landing.<BR>> ><BR>> =
>=20
Instead, the chutes failed to open and the refrigerator-sized=20
capsule<BR>> > crashed to earth in Utah, creating a big =
crator. All=20
that technology and<BR>> > the CHUTE fails??<BR>> =
><BR>> >=20
We hope they can recover some of the data. In the meantime, NASA=20
flags<BR>> > are at half mast (just kidding)<BR>> =
><BR>> >=20
Jim, anything to add?<BR>> ><BR>> > Trisha =
"Lightning"<BR>>=20
> Prescott Vly<BR>> >=20
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http://www.azgeocaching.com<BR>> ><BR>><BR>> Jim =
Scotti<BR>>=20
Lunar & Planetary Laboratory<BR>> University of =
Arizona<BR>>=20
Tucson, AZ 85721 USA =
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/<BR>><BR>>=20
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<DIV>Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#6633cc></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#6633cc>Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang =
interminable=20
changes<BR> On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- =
so:<BR>"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the =
Ranges=20
--<BR> "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for =
you.=20
Go!"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#6633cc></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#6633cc>Rudyard Kipling , The =
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