From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 1 01:49:28 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:49:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CITO Updates References: <006f01c41778$1a53cb30$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <003401c4178b$9190dea0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C41750.E508D3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable have you thought of meeting at say Sheepherders park where the cache = Ouch was/is? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian - Team A.I.=20 To: AZ Geocaching=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CITO Updates For those of you not watching the CITO event page, quite a few updates = were posted today that will be of interest. Please take a look. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C41750.E508D3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

have you thought of meeting at say = Sheepherders=20 park where the cache Ouch was/is?

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From:=20 Brian - Team = A.I.=20
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Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 = 4:30=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CITO=20 Updates

For those of you not watching the = CITO event=20 page, quite a few updates were posted today that will be of = interest. =20 Please take a look.

Brian

Team A.I.

------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C41750.E508D3C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 1 02:11:42 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:11:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CITO Updates References: <006f01c41778$1a53cb30$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> <003401c4178b$9190dea0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <001f01c4178e$acf5eed0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C41754.00781D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent choice! I hadn't driven up McDowell to look yet, but was = thinking about asking the people at the mining place adjacent to the = sign. I think the park would be a great place to meet up before hand, = and would give us a chance to secure vehicles. The reduced noise would = be preferable. Thanks! Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: EvilFISH=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] CITO Updates have you thought of meeting at say Sheepherders park where the cache = Ouch was/is? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian - Team A.I.=20 To: AZ Geocaching=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CITO Updates For those of you not watching the CITO event page, quite a few = updates were posted today that will be of interest. Please take a look. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C41754.00781D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Excellent choice! I hadn't driven = up McDowell=20 to look yet, but was thinking about asking the people at the mining = place=20 adjacent to the sign. I think the park would be a great place to = meet up=20 before hand, and would give us a chance to secure vehicles. The = reduced=20 noise would be preferable. Thanks!

Brian

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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = CITO=20 Updates

have you thought of meeting at say = Sheepherders=20 park where the cache Ouch was/is?

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian - = Team A.I.=20
To: AZ = Geocaching=20

Sent: Wednesday, March 31, = 2004 4:30=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] CITO = Updates

For those of you not watching the = CITO event=20 page, quite a few updates were posted today that will be of = interest. =20 Please take a look.

Brian

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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C41754.00781D20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 1 15:02:07 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:02:07 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] April 1st cache Message-ID: <20040401150209.RIBI2428.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=79b7364d-1bc8-4b2b-84ad-c9ee8d62d681&log=y&decrypt= GCJ2D9 This is great. I don't plan on keeping it a find, but for the day I'll leave it alone. The ultimate cache that goes against all things Geocaching, in celebration of this day. Brian Team A.I. Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 1 15:52:47 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry H) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:52:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] April 1st cache In-Reply-To: <20040401150209.RIBI2428.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20040401155247.12941.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> That's a good one...I logged a temporary find also --- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=79b7364d-1bc8-4b2b-84ad-c9ee8d62d681&log=y&decrypt= > > GCJ2D9 > > This is great. I don't plan on keeping it a find, > but for the day I'll leave it alone. The ultimate > cache that goes against all things Geocaching, in > celebration of this day. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ===== FriarED _______________________________________ Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 1 16:11:04 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 08:11:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] April 1st cache In-Reply-To: <20040401155247.12941.qmail@web40205.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040401161104.33376.qmail@web21107.mail.yahoo.com> --0-276820149-1080835864=:30279 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm getting on the next flight to Orlando and I will get this cache this afternoon. I'll be back home tonight to log my finding. I'll bring some of my travel bugs with me to put in the cache. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) Larry H wrote: That's a good one...I logged a temporary find also --- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=79b7364d-1bc8-4b2b-84ad-c9ee8d62d681&log=y&decrypt= > > GCJ2D9 > > This is great. I don't plan on keeping it a find, > but for the day I'll leave it alone. The ultimate > cache that goes against all things Geocaching, in > celebration of this day. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ===== FriarED _______________________________________ Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --0-276820149-1080835864=:30279 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I'm getting on the next flight to Orlando and I will get this cache this afternoon. I'll be back home tonight to log my finding. I'll bring some of my travel bugs with me to put in the cache.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

Larry H <friared1@yahoo.com> wrote:

That's a good one...I logged a temporary find also

--- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote:
>
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>
> GCJ2D9
>
> This is great. I don't plan on keeping it a find,
> but for the day I'll leave it alone. The ultimate
> cache that goes against all things Geocaching, in
> celebration of this day.
>
> Brian
> Team A.I.
>
>
> Brian
> Team A.I.
>
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--0-276820149-1080835864=:30279-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 1 16:55:26 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:55:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] April 1st cache Message-ID: <20040401085526.16817.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I too went to Florida via airplane to log this unique wonder of the caching world, see my log....it did take some effort to get back home, however,,,,, Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:02:07 -0500, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=79b7364d-1bc8-4b2b-84ad-c9ee8d62d681&log=y&decrypt= > > GCJ2D9 > > This is great. I don't plan on keeping it a find, but for the day > I'll leave it alone. The ultimate cache that goes against all things > Geocaching, in celebration of this day. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 1 17:01:09 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:01:09 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] April 1st cache Message-ID: <20040401170109.IORG2451.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I haven't laughed so much from reading cache logs...ever. Each one is so unique that I've been grinning for the last 2 hours over these. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Trisha" > Date: 2004/04/01 Thu AM 11:55:26 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] April 1st cache > > I too went to Florida via airplane to log this unique wonder of the > caching world, see my log....it did take some effort to get back home, > however,,,,, > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:02:07 -0500, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > > > > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=79b7364d-1bc8-4b2b-84ad-c9ee8d62d681&log=y&decrypt= > > > > GCJ2D9 > > > > This is great. I don't plan on keeping it a find, but for the day > > I'll leave it alone. The ultimate cache that goes against all things > > Geocaching, in celebration of this day. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 1 18:20:57 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:20:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] April 1st cache Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C417DB.677DF080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those of you who are heading to Florida to get the new "Sloof Lirpa" = cache that the "CacheMonkeez" hid, you may want to grab another Florida c= ache that came out today. It's called "Da Bomb!" by: "Capaldo," (GCJ2BQ)= http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3Df8147b92-5dec-40= 81-9609-3fe4001f480f&log=3Dy&decrypt=3D =20 RandMan ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:05 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] April 1st cache http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D79b7364d-1bc8-4b= 2b-84ad-c9ee8d62d681&log=3Dy&decrypt=3D GCJ2D9 This is great. I don't plan on keeping it a find, but for the day I'll l= eave it alone. The ultimate cache that goes against all things Geocachin= g, in celebration of this day. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C417DB.677DF080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For those of y= ou who are heading to Florida to get the new "Sloof Lirpa" cache that the= "CacheMonkeez" hid, you may want to grab another Florida cache that came= out today. It's called "Da Bomb!" by: "Capaldo," (GCJ= 2BQ).

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.= aspx?guid=3Df8147b92-5dec-4081-9609-3fe4001f480f&log=3Dy&decrypt<= /A>=3D

RandMan

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian - Team A.I.

Sent: Thursday, April 01, 200= 4 8:05 AM

To: listserv@azgeo= caching.com

Subject: [Az-Geo= caching] April 1st cache

I couldnt resist logging a couple of caches today. So we did Sloof Lirpa and Da Bomb. It was fun to virtually ignore all the rules and etiquette in geocaching. The log entries are quite entertaining........but I dont want to know where Randman got his photo from.

"Brian - Team A.I." <teamai@cox.net> wrote:

I haven't laughed so much from reading cache logs...ever. Each one is so unique that I've been grinning for the last 2 hours over these.

Brian
Team A.I.

>
> From: "Trisha"
> Date: 2004/04/01 Thu AM 11:55:26 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] April 1st cache
>
> I too went to Florida via airplane to log this unique wonder of the
> caching world, see my log....it did take some effort to get back home,
> however,,,,,
> Trisha "Lightning"
> Prescott
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:02:07 -0500, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote:
>
> >
> >
> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=79b7364d-1bc8-4b2b-84ad-c9ee8d62d681&log=y&decrypt=
> >
> > GCJ2D9
> >
&g t; > This is great. I don't plan on keeping it a find, but for the day
> > I'll leave it alone. The ultimate cache that goes against all things
> > Geocaching, in celebration of this day.
> >
> > Brian
> > Team A.I.
> >
> >
> > Brian
> > Team A.I.
> >
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Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-84906155-1080853214=:17515-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 01:16:11 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 18:16:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Florida Caches Message-ID: <406CBEDB.8040806@mchsi.com> I just flew back from Florida where I found two new caches and, boy, are my arms tired! -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 05:56:39 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:56:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: <20040402055639.39665.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> This guy has logged 80 caches today!Some of these are tough,I thinking he must have done them before under another ID!! Guy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:06:18 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:06:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C4183D.F0C17B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Which guy, Guy? ----- Original Message ----- From: GUY ALDRICH Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of these are tough, I thinking he must have done them before under another ID!! Guy ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C4183D.F0C17B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Which guy, Guy= ?

----- Original Message -----
From: GUY ALDRICH

Sent:= Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM

= To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

> Imagine not dialing 911 when the person you thought was dead, wasn't > quite > dead! I would always dial 911. > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > insomniak@cox.net > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:42 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas > > > Perhaps we should consider posting instructions on what to do when > coming > across someone's unfortunate demise. > > I'm kinda curious my self as to what are the proper steps to help out > law > enforcement. > > Is it necessary to contact "9-1-1" or would it be more appropriate to > contant a non-emergency number? > > Which agency to do contact when you are (insert your favorite caching > location here.)? > > If you are out of range for your cell phone to work, how do you go > about > contacting law enforcment? > > Will dispatchers be able to understand you giving them waypoint > information? > > There are other questions I can't think of now, but I'm sure I will > later. > > I think Brian of Team A.I. (my team) and Trisha would probably have > alot of > information. It only seems likely that more cachers will find these > types > of things, and knowing what to do ahead of time. > > Jake - Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:13:37 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:13:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040402061337.81945.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > Which guy, Guy? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GUY ALDRICH > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of these > are > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > under > another ID!! > > Guy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:14:04 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:14:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas Message-ID: <20040401221405.6423.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Up here in Yavapai Co, anything "off-trail" or "off-road" is usually turned over to one of three of our "forest deputies" and if they need help, they call out the appropriate volunteer group....Jeep Posse (4x4 and communications), back country (trackers and ground searchers), dogs, horses, choppers, whatever. We are all trained in GPS, maps, radios, etc. Trisha Sorry if this is old news, I am just catching up! On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:37:26 -0700, "RAND HARDIN" wrote: Jake asked about whether law enforcement would understand waypoints: � About a year ago I found a newly stolen vehicle abandoned�in Bulldog Canyon.� I called the sheriffs dept and gave them the necessary information about the vehicle and location.� I then asked the dispatcher, if I gave her coordinates to the vehicle if that would help.� She said: "definitely!"� She told me�that�their search and rescue units are equipped with GPSrs.� I imagine if we discover something anywhere "off trail" that search and rescue would be notified.��I don't know about local police though, but I would imagine�that police helicopters would be equipped.� � Rand (RandMan) � ----- Original Message ----- From: insomniak@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:47 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas �Perhaps we should consider posting instructions on what to do when coming across someone's unfortunate demise.I'm kinda curious my self as to what are the proper steps to help out law enforcement.� Is it necessary to contact "9-1-1" or would it be more appropriate to contant a non-emergency number?Which agency to do contact when you are (insert your favorite caching location here.)?If you are out of range for your cell phone to work, how do you go about contacting law enforcment? Will dispatchers be able to understand you giving them waypoint information?There are other questions I can't think of now, but I'm sure I will later.I think Brian of Team A.I. (my team) and Trisha would probably have alot of information.� It only seems likely that more cachers will find these types of things, and knowing what to do ahead of time.Jake - Team A.I.� From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:16:45 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:16:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: <20040401221645.24200.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Yeah, Guy, which guy guy are you refering to, Guy? Trisha (not a guy) On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:06:18 -0700, "RAND HARDIN" wrote: Which guy, Guy? � ----- Original Message ----- From: GUY ALDRICH Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! �This guy has logged 80 caches today!� Some of these aretough, I thinking he must have done them before underanother ID!!Guy From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:23:09 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:23:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <20040401221645.24200.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20040402062309.61905.qmail@web40803.mail.yahoo.com> This person beenthere_donethat has now logged over 100 caches for today! --- Trisha wrote: > Yeah, Guy, which guy guy are you refering to, Guy? > Trisha (not a guy) > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:06:18 -0700, "RAND HARDIN" > wrote: > > Which guy, Guy? ----- Original Message ----- > From: GUY ALDRICH > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM To: > listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! This > guy has logged 80 > caches today! Some of these aretough, I thinking he > must have done > them before underanother ID!!Guy > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:24:07 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:24:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C41840.6DC64360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you may be right! ----- Original Message ----- From: GUY ALDRICH Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > Which guy, Guy? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GUY ALDRICH > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of these > are > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > under > another ID!! > > Guy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Hmmmm. W= ith a name like that it's very possible you may be right!

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Sent: Thursday, April = 01, 2004 11:21 PM

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Subject:= Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!

BeenThere_DoneThat is his name!

--- RAND HARDIN = <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> Which guy, Guy?
>
> --= --- Original Message -----
> From: GUY ALDRICH
> Sent: Thursd= ay, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>= Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
>
> This guy= has logged 80 caches today! Some of these
> are
> toug= h, I thinking he must have done them before
> under
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>
> Guy

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------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C41840.6DC64360-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:28:17 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:28:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C41841.03203600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are they scattered, or pretty much contained to one area? Where abouts a= re his "finds" coming from? (Phoenix, East Valley, Tucson?) ----- Original Message ----- From: GUY ALDRICH Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:24 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! This person beenthere_donethat has now logged over 100 caches for today! --- Trisha wrote: > Yeah, Guy, which guy guy are you refering to, Guy? > Trisha (not a guy) > =20 > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:06:18 -0700, "RAND HARDIN" > wrote: > =20 > Which guy, Guy? ----- Original Message ----- > From: GUY ALDRICH > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM To: > listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! This > guy has logged 80 > caches today! Some of these aretough, I thinking he > must have done > them before underanother ID!!Guy > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > =20 > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway =20 http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C41841.03203600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Are they scatt= ered, or pretty much contained to one area? Where abouts are his "f= inds" coming from? (Phoenix, East Valley, Tucson?)

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----- Original Message -----

From: GUY ALD= RICH

Sent: Thursday, April 0= 1, 2004 11:24 PM

To: listser= v@azgeocaching.com

Subject: = Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!

This per= son beenthere_donethat has now logged over 100
caches for today!
--= - Trisha <trisha@brasher.com> wrote:
> Yeah, Guy, which guy g= uy are you refering to, Guy?
> Trisha (not a guy)
>
> = On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:06:18 -0700, "RAND HARDIN"
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------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C41841.03203600-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:41:08 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:41:08 -0700 Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C41842.CEB39400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found him. I was getting another cacher in Pennsylvania with the same = name. He spells it: BeenThere_DoneThat http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=3D2d9fbbf7-887f-44dd-9dee-eb5f5a8= bfd03 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: RAND HARDIN Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:28 PM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Are they scattered, or pretty much contained to one area? Where abouts a= re his "finds" coming from? (Phoenix, East Valley, Tucson?) ----- Original Message ----- From: GUY ALDRICH Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:24 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! This person beenthere_donethat has now logged over 100 caches for today! --- Trisha wrote: > Yeah, Guy, which guy guy are you refering to, Guy? > Trisha (not a guy) > =20 > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:06:18 -0700, "RAND HARDIN" > wrote: > =20 > Which guy, Guy? ----- Original Message ----- > From: GUY ALDRICH > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM To: > listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! This > guy has logged 80 > caches today! Some of these aretough, I thinking he > must have done > them before underanother ID!!Guy > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > =20 > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway =20 http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C41842.CEB39400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I found him.&n= bsp; I was getting another cacher in Pennsylvania with the same name.

He spell= s it: BeenThere_DoneThat

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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done th= at!

Are they scattered, or pretty much conta= ined to one area? Where abouts are his "finds" coming from? (= Phoenix, East Valley, Tucson?)

----= - Original Message -----

From: GUY ALDRICH

Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:24 PM

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been the= re done that!

This person beenthere_donethat has n= ow logged over 100
caches for today!
--- Trisha <trisha@brasher.= com> wrote:
> Yeah, Guy, which guy guy are you refering to, Guy?=
> Trisha (not a guy)
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:06:18 = -0700, "RAND HARDIN"
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------=_NextPart_001_0005_01C41842.CEB39400-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:48:12 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 1:48:12 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: <20040402064813.CFNK2451.fed1mtao07.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> He's logged all of my far east Valley micros, but I was already heading to work when the logging started. Since Stasis is so close, I'll verify tomorrow finds on all of them. Brian Team A.I. > > From: GUY ALDRICH > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 12:56:39 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > This guy has logged 80 caches today!Some of these are > tough,I thinking he must have done them before under > another ID!! > > Guy > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:49:39 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:49:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040402064939.42482.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can see what he's logging! --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you > may be right! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GUY ALDRICH > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > these > > are > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > under > > another ID!! > > > > Guy > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:51:58 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 1:51:58 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas Message-ID: <20040402065202.DMBE2428.fed1mtao04.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> One of the first things I was taught during my time as a Fire Explorer was to ALWAYS approach a body from the head. That way, if there is a hidden weapon and you startle someone that isn't dead, it's more difficult to raise and shoot or strike you with it. You have a better chance of escaping serious injury then. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Trisha" > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:09:04 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas > > I am finally getting to these OH SO MANY emails in my inbox... > > Yes, don't disturb the scene, except to ascertain if the person is > alive, if they are not obviously dead. (It is usually quite obvious). > If you do approach a body to see if they are alive, approach from one > direction, do not walk around, do not touch anything except one place > on the skin (pulse) and retreat in your own footsteps. Then remember > to tell the law enforcement which footprints are yours and why. > > Also remember to be VERY careful, if the person is simply asleep and > you startle them you are likely to get hurt. Yell at them from about > 10 feet away first. > > Keep in mind that when you call 9-1-1 from a cell phone, you may be > talking to someone in Kansas or someplace. You need to ask to be > connected to (your local county sheriff) or at least tell the operator > EXACTLY where you are, including state. > > If you know the number for your local agency, call that instead of > 911, unless the person is alive. > > Most dispatchers won't understand coordinates but they will write them > down if you tell them exactly what to write. Try to give road numbers > and distance from known points as well. > > If you are not in cell-phone range, take the coordinates of the body, > drive/walk out to where your cell phone works and call it in. Some > agencies may suspect you so be prepared to be questioned. > > This happens alot up here, esp near Bloody Basin and north of > Wickenburg. Seems the bad guys drive just far enough outside of Phx > before dumping the bodies. Our forest deputies always have a "latest > story" of a dead body found. Sad. > > Those 2 kids found shot off Bloody Basin road (in their truck) was so > sad. I was involved in the evidence line search on one day with other > Posse and SAR members. > > I think I answered everything? > > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > www.ycjp.org > > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:44:47 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: > > > > > Imagine not dialing 911 when the person you thought was dead, wasn't > > quite > > dead! I would always dial 911. > > > > Andy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > insomniak@cox.net > > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:42 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas > > > > > > Perhaps we should consider posting instructions on what to do when > > coming > > across someone's unfortunate demise. > > > > I'm kinda curious my self as to what are the proper steps to help out > > law > > enforcement. > > > > Is it necessary to contact "9-1-1" or would it be more appropriate to > > contant a non-emergency number? > > > > Which agency to do contact when you are (insert your favorite caching > > location here.)? > > > > If you are out of range for your cell phone to work, how do you go > > about > > contacting law enforcment? > > > > Will dispatchers be able to understand you giving them waypoint > > information? > > > > There are other questions I can't think of now, but I'm sure I will > > later. > > > > I think Brian of Team A.I. (my team) and Trisha would probably have > > alot of > > information. It only seems likely that more cachers will find these > > types > > of things, and knowing what to do ahead of time. > > > > Jake - Team A.I. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 06:53:46 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:53:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fw: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040402065346.43130.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> he's now up to 103 caches today! --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > I found him. I was getting another cacher in > Pennsylvania with the same name. > He spells it: BeenThere_DoneThat > > http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=2d9fbbf7-887f-44dd-9dee-eb5f5a8bfd03 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RAND HARDIN > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:28 PM > To: AZ-Geocaching > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > Are they scattered, or pretty much contained to one > area? Where abouts are his "finds" coming from? > (Phoenix, East Valley, Tucson?) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: GUY ALDRICH > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:24 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > This person beenthere_donethat has now logged over > 100 > caches for today! > --- Trisha wrote: > > Yeah, Guy, which guy guy are you refering to, Guy? > > Trisha (not a guy) > > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:06:18 -0700, "RAND HARDIN" > > wrote: > > > > Which guy, Guy? ----- Original Message ----- > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM To: > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > This > > guy has logged 80 > > caches today! Some of these aretough, I thinking > he > > must have done > > them before underanother ID!!Guy > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 07:11:12 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 2:11:12 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: <20040402071114.RZHT2430.fed1mtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up to these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us. It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still delete no sign logs. Brian Team A.I. > > From: GUY ALDRICH > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > see what he's logging! > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you > > may be right! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > these > > > are > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > under > > > another ID!! > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 07:21:33 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:21:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C41848.73CC5760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches. Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods (Ellsworth/Broadwa= y) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. It irks me that= this person claims to be a DPS official. It's almost as if it's an atte= mpt and earning some credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforce= ment. But I will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I g= et home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all afternoon, = and our doors/windows were open the entire day. Someone would have seen = a cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't know of = many people who could walk up to these and find them as quickly as an Alt= oids tin under a park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldr= ich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with man= y of us. =20 It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still delete no si= gn logs. Brian Team A.I. > =20 > From: GUY ALDRICH > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > =20 > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > see what he's logging! > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you > > may be right! > > =20 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > =20 > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > =20 > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > =20 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > =20 > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > these > > > are > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > under > > > another ID!! > > > =20 > > > Guy > > =20 > > =20 > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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I suppose this= is his "April Fools" joke on us.

I see that= he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches.

Rand

----- Original Mes= sage -----

From: Brian - Team A.I.

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there don= e that!

He's literally logged caches from my neck = of the woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a = Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS offic= ial. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some credibility= by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But I will certainly= delete each and every log on my caches if I get home and find Stasis unl= ogged. Kids have been outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows = were open the entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there.&n= bsp; Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't know of many people = who could walk up to these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin und= er a park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's G= reenbelt View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us=

It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll st= ill delete no sign logs.

Brian
Team A.I.

>
&g= t; From: GUY ALDRICH <graldrich@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/04/02= Fri AM 01:49:39 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subjec= t: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
>
> Very strang= e!Just go to his profile rand and you can
> see what he's logging!<= BR>> --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> > Hmmmm.= With a name like that it's very possible you
> > may be r= ight!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >= ; From: GUY ALDRICH
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM<= BR>> > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > Subject: Re: [Az-= Geocaching] Been there done that!
> >
> > BeenThere_Do= neThat is his name!
> >
> > --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8= @msn.com> wrote:
> > > Which guy, Guy?
> > > <= BR>> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: GU= Y ALDRICH
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM
&g= t; > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > > Subject: [Az= -Geocaching] Been there done that!
> > >
> > > T= his guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of
> > these
&= gt; > > are
> > > tough, I thinking he must have done t= hem before
> > > under
> > > another ID!!
>= > >
> > > Guy
> >
> >
> >= ; __________________________________
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>
>
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------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C41848.73CC5760-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 07:47:12 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 2:47:12 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: <20040402074713.UXRF2451.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1080892032965_lVnr(24FVn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2 on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+ caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since it's been permanently archived you can't see them anymore. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "RAND HARDIN" > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 02:21:33 EST > To: "AZ-Geocaching" > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. > > I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches. > > Rand > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian - Team A.I. > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up to these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us. > > It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still delete no sign logs. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > > see what he's logging! > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you > > > may be right! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > > these > > > > are > > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > > under > > > > another ID!! > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > visit: > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > Brian Team A.I. ------=____1080892032965_lVnr(24FVn Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"

I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us.

I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches.

Rand

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian - Team A.I.

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!

He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up to these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us

It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still delete no sign logs.

Brian
Team A.I.

>
> From: GUY ALDRICH <graldrich@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
>
> Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can
> see what he's logging!
> --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you
> > may be right!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: GUY ALDRICH
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM
> > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
> >
> > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name!
> >
> > --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> > > Which guy, Guy?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: GUY ALDRICH
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM
> > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
> > >
> & gt; > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of
> > these
> > > are
> > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before
> > > under
> > > another ID!!
> > >
> > > Guy
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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> > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway
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> >
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>
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------=____1080892032965_lVnr(24FVn-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 08:35:17 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:35:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <20040402074713.UXRF2451.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20040402083517.47078.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> May be an April fools prank!I just don't know yet!It's not possible to do those caches without having done them before!I'm going to check those caches! Guy --- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2 > on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure > what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+ > caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny > though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list > so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since > it's been permanently archived you can't see them > anymore. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > > > > From: "RAND HARDIN" > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 02:21:33 EST > > To: "AZ-Geocaching" > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > that! > > > > I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. > > > > I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" > blacklight caches. > > > > Rand > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian - Team A.I. > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > that! > > > > He's literally logged caches from my neck of the > woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to > Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. > It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS > official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and > earning some credibility by claiming affiliation > with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete > each and every log on my caches if I get home and > find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all > afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the > entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. > Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't > know of many people who could walk up to these and > find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park > bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. > Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite > awhile, as it has with many of us. > > > > It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but > I'll still delete no sign logs. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > that! > > > > > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you > can > > > see what he's logging! > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very > possible you > > > > may be right! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > that! > > > > > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > that! > > > > > > > > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some > of > > > > these > > > > > are > > > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them > before > > > > > under > > > > > another ID!! > > > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > visit: > > > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > Brian > Team A.I. > --------------------------------- I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches. Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up to these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still delete no sign logs. Brian Team A.I. > > From: GUY ALDRICH > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > see what he's logging! > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you > > may be right! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > & gt; > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > these > > > are > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > under > > > another ID!! > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 11:52:32 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:52:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406D53FF.4040809@usa.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040908090206000302030005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One of the caches that he (or she) logged was my virtual "This Old House". He did email me the answers. Mark, Magical Memories RAND HARDIN wrote: > I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. > > I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches. > > Rand > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian - Team A.I. > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods > (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a > Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS > official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some > credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But I > will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get > home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all > afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the entire day. > Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo > uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up to > these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park > bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's Greenbelt > View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us > > It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still > delete no sign logs. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > > see what he's logging! > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you > > > may be right! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > > these > > > > are > > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > > under > > > > another ID!! > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Mark, Magical Memories

RAND HARDIN wrote:

I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us.

I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches.

Rand

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian - Team A.I.

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!

He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up to these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us

It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still delete no sign logs.

Brian
Team A.I.

>
> From: GUY ALDRICH <graldrich@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
>
> Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can
> see what he's logging!
> --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you
> > may be right!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: GUY ALDRICH
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM
> > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
> >
> > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name!
> >
> > --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> > > Which guy, Guy?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: GUY ALDRICH
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM
> > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
> > >
> > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of
> > these
> > > are
> > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before
> > > under
> > > another ID!!
> > >
> > > Guy
> >
> >
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--------------040908090206000302030005-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 11:56:47 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:56:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas In-Reply-To: <20040401220905.9089.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20040401220905.9089.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <406D54FF.10904@usa.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060608050401080406080500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out the following: http://www.todayscacher.com/ Read Frightening Ginds, under Outdoors. Trisha wrote: >I am finally getting to these OH SO MANY emails in my inbox... > >Yes, don't disturb the scene, except to ascertain if the person is >alive, if they are not obviously dead. (It is usually quite obvious). >If you do approach a body to see if they are alive, approach from one >direction, do not walk around, do not touch anything except one place >on the skin (pulse) and retreat in your own footsteps. Then remember >to tell the law enforcement which footprints are yours and why. > >Also remember to be VERY careful, if the person is simply asleep and >you startle them you are likely to get hurt. Yell at them from about >10 feet away first. > >Keep in mind that when you call 9-1-1 from a cell phone, you may be >talking to someone in Kansas or someplace. You need to ask to be >connected to (your local county sheriff) or at least tell the operator >EXACTLY where you are, including state. > >If you know the number for your local agency, call that instead of >911, unless the person is alive. > >Most dispatchers won't understand coordinates but they will write them >down if you tell them exactly what to write. Try to give road numbers >and distance from known points as well. > >If you are not in cell-phone range, take the coordinates of the body, >drive/walk out to where your cell phone works and call it in. Some >agencies may suspect you so be prepared to be questioned. > >This happens alot up here, esp near Bloody Basin and north of >Wickenburg. Seems the bad guys drive just far enough outside of Phx >before dumping the bodies. Our forest deputies always have a "latest >story" of a dead body found. Sad. > >Those 2 kids found shot off Bloody Basin road (in their truck) was so >sad. I was involved in the evidence line search on one day with other >Posse and SAR members. > >I think I answered everything? > >Trisha "Lightning" >Prescott >www.ycjp.org > > >On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:44:47 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: > > > >>Imagine not dialing 911 when the person you thought was dead, wasn't >>quite >>dead! I would always dial 911. >> >>Andy >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com >>[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of >>insomniak@cox.net >>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:42 PM >>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas >> >> >>Perhaps we should consider posting instructions on what to do when >>coming >>across someone's unfortunate demise. >> >>I'm kinda curious my self as to what are the proper steps to help out >>law >>enforcement. >> >>Is it necessary to contact "9-1-1" or would it be more appropriate to >>contant a non-emergency number? >> >>Which agency to do contact when you are (insert your favorite caching >>location here.)? >> >>If you are out of range for your cell phone to work, how do you go >>about >>contacting law enforcment? >> >>Will dispatchers be able to understand you giving them waypoint >>information? >> >>There are other questions I can't think of now, but I'm sure I will >>later. >> >>I think Brian of Team A.I. (my team) and Trisha would probably have >>alot of >>information. It only seems likely that more cachers will find these >>types >>of things, and knowing what to do ahead of time. >> >>Jake - Team A.I. >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >>____________________________________________________________ >>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >>To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching >> >>Arizona's Geocaching Resource >>http://www.azgeocaching.com >> >> >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > >. > > > --------------060608050401080406080500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out the following: http://www.todayscacher.com/
Read Frightening Ginds, under Outdoors.

Trisha wrote:

I am finally getting to these OH SO MANY emails in my inbox...

Yes, don't disturb the scene, except to ascertain if the person is
alive, if they are not obviously dead. (It is usually quite obvious).
If you do approach a body to see if they are alive, approach from one
direction, do not walk around, do not touch anything except one place
on the skin (pulse) and retreat in your own footsteps. Then remember
to tell the law enforcement which footprints are yours and why. 

Also remember to be VERY careful, if the person is simply asleep and
you startle them you are likely to get hurt. Yell at them from about
10 feet away first.

Keep in mind that when you call 9-1-1 from a cell phone, you may be
talking to someone in Kansas or someplace. You need to ask to be
connected to (your local county sheriff) or at least tell the operator
EXACTLY where you are, including state. 

If you know the number for your local agency, call that instead of
911, unless the person is alive. 

Most dispatchers won't understand coordinates but they will write them
down if you tell them exactly what to write. Try to give road numbers
and distance from known points as well.

If you are not in cell-phone range, take the coordinates of the body,
drive/walk out to where your cell phone works and call it in. Some
agencies may suspect you so be prepared to be questioned.

This happens alot up here, esp near Bloody Basin and north of
Wickenburg. Seems the bad guys drive just far enough outside of Phx
before dumping the bodies. Our forest deputies always have a "latest
story" of a dead body found. Sad.

Those 2 kids found shot off Bloody Basin road (in their truck) was so
sad. I was involved in the evidence line search on one day with other
Posse and SAR members.

I think I answered everything?

Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott
www.ycjp.org


On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:44:47 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote:

Imagine not dialing 911 when the person you thought was dead, wasn't
quite
dead! I would always dial 911.

Andy


-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of
insomniak@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:42 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas


Perhaps we should consider posting instructions on what to do when
coming
across someone's unfortunate demise.

I'm kinda curious my self as to what are the proper steps to help out
law
enforcement.

Is it necessary to contact "9-1-1" or would it be more appropriate to
contant a non-emergency number?

Which agency to do contact when you are (insert your favorite caching
location here.)?

If you are out of range for your cell phone to work, how do you go
about
contacting law enforcment?

Will dispatchers be able to understand you giving them waypoint
information?

There are other questions I can't think of now, but I'm sure I will
later.

I think Brian of Team A.I. (my team) and Trisha would probably have
alot of
information.  It only seems likely that more cachers will find these
types
of things, and knowing what to do ahead of time.

Jake - Team A.I.

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--------------060608050401080406080500-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 12:00:57 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 7:00:57 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: <20040402120057.WCYA2451.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1080907257396_1EZwtRwEm0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I'll know for certain in about 2 hours if he/she was at Stasis, which will be a deciding factor for me as to whether or not this is a known cacher using a puppet account to be 'cute'. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Mark Heitowit > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 06:52:32 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > One of the caches that he (or she) logged was my virtual "This Old > House". He did email me the answers. > > Mark, Magical Memories > > RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. > > > > I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches. > > > > Rand > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian - Team A.I. > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods > > (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a > > Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS > > official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some > > credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But I > > will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get > > home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all > > afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the entire day. > > Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo > > uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up to > > these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park > > bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's Greenbelt > > View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us > > > > It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still > > delete no sign logs. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > > > see what he's logging! > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you > > > > may be right! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > > > these > > > > > are > > > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > > > under > > > > > another ID!! > > > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > visit: > > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > Brian > > Team A.I > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > Brian Team A.I. ------=____1080907257396_1EZwtRwEm0 Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply" One of the caches that he (or she) logged was my virtual "This Old House". He did email me the answers.

Mark, Magical Memories

RAND HARDIN wrote:

I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us.

I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches.

Rand

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian - Team A.I.

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!

He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up to these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us

It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still delete no sign logs.

Brian
Team A.I.

>
> From: GUY ALDRICH <graldrich@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
>
> Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can
> see what he's logging!
> --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you
> > may be right!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: GUY ALDRICH
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM
> > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
> >
> > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name!
> >
> > --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> > > Which guy, Guy?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: GUY ALDRICH
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM
> > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
> > >
> > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of
> > these
> > > are
> > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before
> > > under
> > > another ID!!
> > >
> > > Guy
> >
> >
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------=____1080907257396_1EZwtRwEm0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 12:34:34 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 05:34:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! References: <20040402120057.WCYA2451.fed1mtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <004201c418ae$dabfde40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C41874.2E3F7480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An interesting thought there are cachers that find a cache and do not = log the same time, what is so different about this cacher doing the same = if they sign the log it is a find... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian - Team A.I.=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:00 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Well, I'll know for certain in about 2 hours if he/she was at Stasis, = which will be a deciding factor for me as to whether or not this is a = known cacher using a puppet account to be 'cute'. Brian Team A.I. >=20 > From: Mark Heitowit > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 06:52:32 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! >=20 > One of the caches that he (or she) logged was my virtual "This Old=20 > House". He did email me the answers. >=20 > Mark, Magical Memories >=20 > RAND HARDIN wrote: >=20 > > I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. > > =20 > > I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches. > > =20 > > Rand > > =20 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian - Team A.I. > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > =20 > > He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods > > (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a > > Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS > > official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some > > credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. But = I > > will certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get > > home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all > > afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the entire day.=20 > > Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the = Tamo > > uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up = to > > these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park > > bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's = Greenbelt > > View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of = us=20 > > > > It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still > > delete no sign logs. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > > > see what he's logging! > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you > > > > may be right! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > > > these > > > > > are > > > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > > > under > > > > > another ID!! > > > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > visit: > > > > > > > = http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > = http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > Brian > > Team A.I > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > = http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > >=20 >=20 Brian Team A.I. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- One of the caches that he (or she) logged was my virtual "This Old = House". He did email me the answers. Mark, Magical Memories RAND HARDIN wrote: I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches. Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods = (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 = cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS official. It's = almost as if it's an attempt and earning some credibility by claiming = affiliation with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete each and = every log on my caches if I get home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids = have been outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the = entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the = Tamo uber-micros go, I don't know of many people who could walk up to = these and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park bench, so = 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone = would chew up quite awhile, as it has with many of us =20 It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll still = delete no sign logs. Brian Team A.I. >=20 > From: GUY ALDRICH > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! >=20 > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > see what he's logging! > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you > > may be right! > >=20 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > >=20 > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > >=20 > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > Which guy, Guy? > > >=20 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > >=20 > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > these > > > are > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > under > > > another ID!! > > >=20 > > > Guy > >=20 > >=20 > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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An interesting thought there are = cachers that find=20 a cache and do not log the same time, what is so different about this = cacher=20 doing the same if they sign the log it is a find...

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian - Team = A.I.=20

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 = 5:00=20 AM

Subject: Re: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] Been=20 there done that!

Well, I'll know for certain in about 2 hours if he/she = was at=20 Stasis, which will be a deciding factor for me as to whether or not = this is a=20 known cacher using a puppet account to be 'cute'.

Brian
Team = A.I.

>
> From: Mark Heitowit <mheitowit@usa.net>
> = Date:=20 2004/04/02 Fri AM 06:52:32 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com>=20 Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
>
> = One of the=20 caches that he (or she) logged was my virtual "This Old
> = House". He=20 did email me the answers.
>
> Mark, Magical = Memories
>=20
> RAND HARDIN wrote:
>
> > I suppose this is = his "April=20 Fools" joke on us.
> >
> > I see that he even = claimed=20 three of "Tamo's" blacklight caches.
> >
> >=20 Rand
> >
> >
> = >    =20 ----- Original Message -----
> >     = From: Brian=20 - Team A.I.
> >     Sent: Friday, April = 02, 2004=20 12:14 AM
> >     To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >     = Subject: Re:=20 Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
>=20 >
> = >     He's=20 literally logged caches from my neck of the woods
>=20 >     (Ellsworth/Broadway) to = Glendale/Surprise/Peoria=20 and even a
> >     Panda77 cache. = It irks=20 me that this person claims to be a DPS
> = >    =20 official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning = some
>=20 >     credibility by claiming affiliation with = law=20 enforcement. But I
> >     will = certainly=20 delete each and every log on my caches if I get
>=20 >     home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids = have=20 been outside all
> >     afternoon, and = our=20 doors/windows were open the entire day.
> = >    =20 Someone would have seen a cacher there. Now, as far as the = Tamo
>=20 >     uber-micros go, I don't know of many = people who=20 could walk up to
> >     these and find = them as=20 quickly as an Altoids tin under a park
> = >    =20 bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. Graldrich's=20 Greenbelt
> >     View alone would chew = up quite=20 awhile, as it has with many of us
> >
>=20 >     It's only he/she cheating themselves in = this, but=20 I'll still
> >     delete no sign = logs.
>=20 >
> >     Brian
>=20 >     Team A.I.
> >
> = >
>=20 >     >
> >     = >=20 From: GUY ALDRICH <graldrich@yahoo.com>
>=20 >     > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 = EST
>=20 >     > To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
>=20 >     > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been = there done=20 that!
> >     >
>=20 >     > Very strange!Just go to his profile = rand and=20 you can
> >     > see what he's=20 logging!
> >     > --- RAND HARDIN=20 <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> >     = > >=20 Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible you
>=20 >     > > may be right!
>=20 >     > >
> = >    =20 > > ----- Original Message -----
> = >    =20 > > From: GUY ALDRICH
> >     > = >=20 Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM
> = >    =20 > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> = >    =20 > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
>=20 >     > >
> = >    =20 > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name!
> = >    =20 > >
> >     > > --- RAND = HARDIN=20 <RHrdn8@msn.com> wrote:
> >     = > >=20 > Which guy, Guy?
> >     > >=20 >
> >     > > > ----- = Original=20 Message -----
> >     > > > = From: GUY=20 ALDRICH
> >     > > > Sent: = Thursday,=20 April 01, 2004 11:01 PM
> >     > > = >=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >     = > >=20 > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
>=20 >     > > >
>=20 >     > > > This guy has logged 80 = caches=20 today! Some of
> >     > >=20 these
> >     > > > are
>=20 >     > > > tough, I thinking he must = have=20 done them before
> >     > > >=20 under
> >     > > > another = ID!!
>=20 >     > > >
>=20 >     > > > Guy
>=20 >     > >
> = >    =20 > >
> >     > >=20 __________________________________
> = >     >=20 > Do you Yahoo!?
> >     > > = Yahoo!=20 Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway
> = >    =20 > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
>=20 >     > >
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> >     Brian
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Brian
Team A.I.

One of the caches that he (or she) logged was my virtual "This = Old=20 House". He did email me the answers.

Mark, Magical = Memories

RAND=20 HARDIN wrote:

I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us.

I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" blacklight = caches.

Rand

-----=20 Original Message -----

From:=20 Brian - Team A.I. Sent:=20 Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject:=20 Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!

He's literally logged caches from my neck of the = woods=20 (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a = Panda77=20 cache. It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS=20 official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and earning some = credibility by claiming affiliation with law enforcement. = But I will=20 certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I get home and = find=20 Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all afternoon, and = our=20 doors/windows were open the entire day. Someone would have = seen a=20 cacher there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I = don't know=20 of many people who could walk up to these and find them as quickly = as an=20 Altoids tin under a park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem = feasible. =20 Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite awhile, as it = has=20 with many of us

It's only he/she cheating themselves = in=20 this, but I'll still delete no sign logs.

Brian
Team=20 A.I.

>
> From: GUY ALDRICH <graldrich@yahoo.com>
&g= t;=20 Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com>=20 Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
> =
> Very=20 strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can
> see what = he's=20 logging!
> --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> = wrote:
>=20 > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible = you
>=20 > may be right!
> >
> > ----- Original = Message=20 -----
> > From: GUY ALDRICH
> > Sent: Thursday, = April=20 01, 2004 11:21 PM
> > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com>=20 > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
> = >=20
> > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name!
> > =
> >=20 --- RAND HARDIN <RHrdn8@msn.com> = wrote:
>=20 > > Which guy, Guy?
> > >
> > > = -----=20 Original Message -----
> > > From: GUY ALDRICH
> = >=20 > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM
> > > To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com>=20 > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!
> = > >=20
> > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some = of
> > these
> > > are
> > > = tough, I=20 thinking he must have done them before
> > > = under
>=20 > > another ID!!
> > >
> > > = Guy
>=20 >
> >
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<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C41874.2E3F7480-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 15:00:56 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:00:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! References: <20040402083517.47078.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009e01c418c3$4d0ccb70$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Well, so far on Rest Your Mind, Directionally Challenged and Stasis, there are logs dated April 1, 2004 stamped and a stamp for the team name BeenThere_DoneThat. I do believe that this is most likely someone who has found these caches, but under a different name. 2 of the 3 found are no-brainer caches, but Stasis has stumped quite a few people. It's not something a 3 week old cacher is going to just find without some profound clairvoyance. Same goes for Tamo's blacklight caches. A few of them I spent only a few minutes looking for, others took 45 min to an hour. Fly on the Wall was 'found', but skunked Wyle E? I find that a bit tough to swallow. Regardless, there are physical logs to match the online caches in my case. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > May be an April fools prank!I just don't know yet!It's > not possible to do those caches without having done > them before!I'm going to check those caches! > > Guy > --- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2 > > on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure > > what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+ > > caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny > > though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list > > so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since > > it's been permanently archived you can't see them > > anymore. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > > From: "RAND HARDIN" > > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 02:21:33 EST > > > To: "AZ-Geocaching" > > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. > > > > > > I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" > > blacklight caches. > > > > > > Rand > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Brian - Team A.I. > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > He's literally logged caches from my neck of the > > woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to > > Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. > > It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS > > official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and > > earning some credibility by claiming affiliation > > with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete > > each and every log on my caches if I get home and > > find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all > > afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the > > entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. > > Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't > > know of many people who could walk up to these and > > find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park > > bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. > > Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite > > awhile, as it has with many of us. > > > > > > It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but > > I'll still delete no sign logs. > > > > > > Brian > > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you > > can > > > > see what he's logging! > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very > > possible you > > > > > may be right! > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > > > > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some > > of > > > > > these > > > > > > are > > > > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them > > before > > > > > > under > > > > > > another ID!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > > > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > > visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > --------------------------------- > I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. > > I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" > blacklight caches. > > Rand > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian - Team A.I. > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > that! > > He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods > (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and > even a Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person > claims to be a DPS official. It's almost as if it's > an attempt and earning some credibility by claiming > affiliation with law enforcement. But I will > certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I > get home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been > outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows were open > the entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher > there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I > don't know of many people who could walk up to these > and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a > park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. > Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite > awhile, as it has with many of us > > It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll > still delete no sign logs. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > > see what he's logging! > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible > you > > > may be right! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > & > gt; > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > > these > > > > are > > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > > under > > > > another ID!! > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > visit: > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > Brian > Team A.I > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 15:19:21 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! References: <20040402083517.47078.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <015c01c418c5$dfdbbb80$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> For anyone interested, below is a link to a .jpg of a MapSource screen showing the caches found yesterday. I don't see how even utilizing every single moment in a 24-hour period someone finding all these caches. http://members.cox.net/teamai/geocaching/images/route.jpg (274k file!) Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > May be an April fools prank!I just don't know yet!It's > not possible to do those caches without having done > them before!I'm going to check those caches! > > Guy > --- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2 > > on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure > > what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+ > > caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny > > though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list > > so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since > > it's been permanently archived you can't see them > > anymore. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > > From: "RAND HARDIN" > > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 02:21:33 EST > > > To: "AZ-Geocaching" > > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. > > > > > > I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" > > blacklight caches. > > > > > > Rand > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Brian - Team A.I. > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > He's literally logged caches from my neck of the > > woods (Ellsworth/Broadway) to > > Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and even a Panda77 cache. > > It irks me that this person claims to be a DPS > > official. It's almost as if it's an attempt and > > earning some credibility by claiming affiliation > > with law enforcement. But I will certainly delete > > each and every log on my caches if I get home and > > find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been outside all > > afternoon, and our doors/windows were open the > > entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher there. > > Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I don't > > know of many people who could walk up to these and > > find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a park > > bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. > > Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite > > awhile, as it has with many of us. > > > > > > It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but > > I'll still delete no sign logs. > > > > > > Brian > > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you > > can > > > > see what he's logging! > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very > > possible you > > > > > may be right! > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > > > > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > > that! > > > > > > > > > > > > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some > > of > > > > > these > > > > > > are > > > > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them > > before > > > > > > under > > > > > > another ID!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > > > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > > > visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > > Team A.I. > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > --------------------------------- > I suppose this is his "April Fools" joke on us. > > I see that he even claimed three of "Tamo's" > blacklight caches. > > Rand > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brian - Team A.I. > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:14 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done > that! > > He's literally logged caches from my neck of the woods > (Ellsworth/Broadway) to Glendale/Surprise/Peoria and > even a Panda77 cache. It irks me that this person > claims to be a DPS official. It's almost as if it's > an attempt and earning some credibility by claiming > affiliation with law enforcement. But I will > certainly delete each and every log on my caches if I > get home and find Stasis unlogged. Kids have been > outside all afternoon, and our doors/windows were open > the entire day. Someone would have seen a cacher > there. Now, as far as the Tamo uber-micros go, I > don't know of many people who could walk up to these > and find them as quickly as an Altoids tin under a > park bench, so 100 caches doesn't seem feasible. > Graldrich's Greenbelt View alone would chew up quite > awhile, as it has with many of us > > It's only he/she cheating themselves in this, but I'll > still delete no sign logs. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > Date: 2004/04/02 Fri AM 01:49:39 EST > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > Very strange!Just go to his profile rand and you can > > see what he's logging! > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > Hmmmm. With a name like that it's very possible > you > > > may be right! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:21 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > BeenThere_DoneThat is his name! > > > > > > --- RAND HARDIN wrote: > > > > Which guy, Guy? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: GUY ALDRICH > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:01 PM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > & > gt; > This guy has logged 80 caches today! Some of > > > these > > > > are > > > > tough, I thinking he must have done them before > > > > under > > > > another ID!! > > > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > visit: > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > Brian > Team A.I > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 15:20:18 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:20:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] STATS BACK UP Message-ID: <406D84B2.80503@snaptek.com> sorry took so long peoples.... have fun jason From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 15:27:55 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:27:55 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] STATS BACK UP] Message-ID: <438iDBPb46704S13.1080919675@uwdvg013.cms.usa.net> At least until the next time they change gc.com. Thanks for all you guys do. Jason Poulter wrote: > sorry took so long peoples.... > > have fun > > > jason > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 15:28:38 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:28:38 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: >From: "Brian - Team A.I." >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:00:56 -0700 > >Well, so far on Rest Your Mind, Directionally Challenged and Stasis, there >are logs dated April 1, 2004 stamped and a stamp for the team name >BeenThere_DoneThat. I do believe that this is most likely someone who has >found these caches, but under a different name. 2 of the 3 found are >no-brainer caches, but Stasis has stumped quite a few people. It's not >something a 3 week old cacher is going to just find without some profound >clairvoyance. Same goes for Tamo's blacklight caches. A few of them I >spent only a few minutes looking for, others took 45 min to an hour. Fly >on >the Wall was 'found', but skunked Wyle E? I find that a bit tough to >swallow. > >Regardless, there are physical logs to match the online caches in my case. > >Brian >Team A.I. So, has this guy found over 100 caches in a day? I guess the big question is: is this guy going to SMASH the daily and monthly record? If he keeps up this pace... the yearly record could be in jeopordy. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 15:41:15 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:41:15 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: >From: "Brian - Team A.I." >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:21 -0700 > >For anyone interested, below is a link to a .jpg of a MapSource screen >showing the caches found yesterday. I don't see how even utilizing every >single moment in a 24-hour period someone finding all these caches. > >http://members.cox.net/teamai/geocaching/images/route.jpg (274k file!) > >Brian I think that route could be done in a 24 hour period. They are all urban style caches pretty much. Doesnt look like he went any farther north than the 101 in Glendale, so he probably didnt get any hiking caches in. The question I have is how he can do all those 'hard to find' caches like Tamo's black light caches and several others I can think of that really stumped me. As Brian said... that isnt realistic for someone that has only been caching for a few weeks. I will say this... I have always said that anyone that just gets into the game is very capable of smashing records as they have all those caches waiting for them, but on the flip side.. they dont have the experience to find these caches in a short period of time (5 minutes or less) to be able to do that many in a day. What I would really like to see is a time stamp on all his finds. I would like to see what time he visited them all. I always time stamp my log online stating the date and time that I was there. This is just for my own personal diary of my caching experiences. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 16:01:34 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:01:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! References: Message-ID: <002501c418cb$c5f12740$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> As do I. But like the logs say, BeenThere_DoneThat BTDT. Funny though, that it's entirely redundant redundant. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RopingThe Wind" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > >From: "Brian - Team A.I." > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:21 -0700 > > > >For anyone interested, below is a link to a .jpg of a MapSource screen > >showing the caches found yesterday. I don't see how even utilizing every > >single moment in a 24-hour period someone finding all these caches. > > > >http://members.cox.net/teamai/geocaching/images/route.jpg (274k file!) > > > >Brian > > I think that route could be done in a 24 hour period. They are all urban > style caches pretty much. Doesnt look like he went any farther north than > the 101 in Glendale, so he probably didnt get any hiking caches in. The > question I have is how he can do all those 'hard to find' caches like Tamo's > black light caches and several others I can think of that really stumped me. > As Brian said... that isnt realistic for someone that has only been caching > for a few weeks. > > I will say this... I have always said that anyone that just gets into the > game is very capable of smashing records as they have all those caches > waiting for them, but on the flip side.. they dont have the experience to > find these caches in a short period of time (5 minutes or less) to be able > to do that many in a day. > > What I would really like to see is a time stamp on all his finds. I would > like to see what time he visited them all. I always time stamp my log online > stating the date and time that I was there. This is just for my own personal > diary of my caching experiences. > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and > more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 16:22:42 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Marc Tamis) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:22:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406D9352.9080605@uccinc.net> Even some very experienced cachers have a hard time finding the easy ones - so why is it so hard to believe that a newbie couldn't find the hard ones fast? FYI - I have valid e-mail from all of my backlight caches. I guess I should not have maintained some of them a few days before to make it harder on them. If we only knew. Tamo RopingThe Wind wrote: > > >> From: "Brian - Team A.I." >> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To: >> Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! >> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:21 -0700 >> >> For anyone interested, below is a link to a .jpg of a MapSource screen >> showing the caches found yesterday. I don't see how even utilizing >> every >> single moment in a 24-hour period someone finding all these caches. >> >> http://members.cox.net/teamai/geocaching/images/route.jpg (274k file!) >> >> Brian > > > I think that route could be done in a 24 hour period. They are all > urban style caches pretty much. Doesnt look like he went any farther > north than the 101 in Glendale, so he probably didnt get any hiking > caches in. The question I have is how he can do all those 'hard to > find' caches like Tamo's black light caches and several others I can > think of that really stumped me. As Brian said... that isnt realistic > for someone that has only been caching for a few weeks. > > I will say this... I have always said that anyone that just gets into > the game is very capable of smashing records as they have all those > caches waiting for them, but on the flip side.. they dont have the > experience to find these caches in a short period of time (5 minutes > or less) to be able to do that many in a day. > > What I would really like to see is a time stamp on all his finds. I > would like to see what time he visited them all. I always time stamp > my log online stating the date and time that I was there. This is just > for my own personal diary of my caching experiences. > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tax headache? 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Firewall - VPN - Virus Control - SPAM Control - and MUCH MORE! http://www.uacp-edgerouter.com ============================================================== From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 16:19:47 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:19:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas Message-ID: <20040402081948.142.h005.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> All very good advice from the article by crzycrzy. I told you that you would be the first suspect and questioned extensively!!!!!! Trisha "Lightning" Basking in the glorious rain in Prescott! On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:56:47 -0700, Mark Heitowit wrote: Check out the following: http://www.todayscacher.com/ Read Frightening Ginds, under Outdoors. Trisha wrote: I am finally getting to these OH SO MANY emails in my inbox... Yes, don't disturb the scene, except to ascertain if the person is alive, if they are not obviously dead. (It is usually quite obvious). If you do approach a body to see if they are alive, approach from one direction, do not walk around, do not touch anything except one place on the skin (pulse) and retreat in your own footsteps. Then remember to tell the law enforcement which footprints are yours and why. Also remember to be VERY careful, if the person is simply asleep and you startle them you are likely to get hurt. Yell at them from about 10 feet away first. Keep in mind that when you call 9-1-1 from a cell phone, you may be talking to someone in Kansas or someplace. You need to ask to be connected to (your local county sheriff) or at least tell the operator EXACTLY where you are, including state. If you know the number for your local agency, call that instead of 911, unless the person is alive. Most dispatchers won't understand coordinates but they will write them down if you tell them exactly what to write. Try to give road numbers and distance from known points as well. If you are not in cell-phone range, take the coordinates of the body, drive/walk out to where your cell phone works and call it in. Some agencies may suspect you so be prepared to be questioned. This happens alot up here, esp near Bloody Basin and north of Wickenburg. Seems the bad guys drive just far enough outside of Phx before dumping the bodies. Our forest deputies always have a "latest story" of a dead body found. Sad. Those 2 kids found shot off Bloody Basin road (in their truck) was so sad. I was involved in the evidence line search on one day with other Posse and SAR members. I think I answered everything? Trisha "Lightning" Prescott www.ycjp.org On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:44:47 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: Imagine not dialing 911 when the person you thought was dead, wasn't quite dead! I would always dial 911. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of insomniak@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:42 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Another cacher finds body near Las Vegas Perhaps we should consider posting instructions on what to do when coming across someone's unfortunate demise. I'm kinda curious my self as to what are the proper steps to help out law enforcement. Is it necessary to contact "9-1-1" or would it be more appropriate to contant a non-emergency number? Which agency to do contact when you are (insert your favorite caching location here.)? If you are out of range for your cell phone to work, how do you go about contacting law enforcment? Will dispatchers be able to understand you giving them waypoint information? There are other questions I can't think of now, but I'm sure I will later. I think Brian of Team A.I. (my team) and Trisha would probably have alot of information. It only seems likely that more cachers will find these types of things, and knowing what to do ahead of time. 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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 16:26:09 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Marc Tamis) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:26:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <002501c418cb$c5f12740$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> References: <002501c418cb$c5f12740$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <406D9421.4060504@uccinc.net> I would like to offer a congratulations to team BeenThere_DoneThat! Brian - Team A.I. wrote: >As do I. But like the logs say, BeenThere_DoneThat BTDT. Funny though, >that it's entirely redundant redundant. > >Brian >Team A.I. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "RopingThe Wind" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:41 AM >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > >> >> >>>From: "Brian - Team A.I." >>>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! >>>Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:21 -0700 >>> >>>For anyone interested, below is a link to a .jpg of a MapSource screen >>>showing the caches found yesterday. I don't see how even utilizing every >>>single moment in a 24-hour period someone finding all these caches. >>> >>>http://members.cox.net/teamai/geocaching/images/route.jpg (274k file!) >>> >>>Brian >>> >>> >>I think that route could be done in a 24 hour period. They are all urban >>style caches pretty much. Doesnt look like he went any farther north than >>the 101 in Glendale, so he probably didnt get any hiking caches in. The >>question I have is how he can do all those 'hard to find' caches like >> >> >Tamo's > > >>black light caches and several others I can think of that really stumped >> >> >me. > > >>As Brian said... that isnt realistic for someone that has only been >> >> >caching > > >>for a few weeks. >> >>I will say this... I have always said that anyone that just gets into the >>game is very capable of smashing records as they have all those caches >>waiting for them, but on the flip side.. they dont have the experience to >>find these caches in a short period of time (5 minutes or less) to be able >>to do that many in a day. >> >>What I would really like to see is a time stamp on all his finds. I would >>like to see what time he visited them all. I always time stamp my log >> >> >online > > >>stating the date and time that I was there. This is just for my own >> >> >personal > > >>diary of my caching experiences. >> >>Scott >>Team Ropingthewind >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Tax headache? 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Firewall - VPN - Virus Control - SPAM Control - and MUCH MORE! http://www.uacp-edgerouter.com ============================================================== From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 16:26:25 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:26:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: <20040402082626.23549.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Um, guys, just a thought....look how much time and energy this 'been there_done that' guy is stirring up amongst some of you...is it really worth worrying about "this much" in the big scheme of things? It is, after all, a game. Supposed to be fun (ha). Trisha ~ Prescott RAIN!! YES! please keep raining and stop the drought and reduce the fire danger! YES! On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:01:34 -0700, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > As do I. But like the logs say, BeenThere_DoneThat BTDT. Funny > though, > that it's entirely redundant redundant. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RopingThe Wind" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:41 AM > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian - Team A.I." > > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:21 -0700 > > > > > >For anyone interested, below is a link to a .jpg of a MapSource > screen > > >showing the caches found yesterday. I don't see how even utilizing > every > > >single moment in a 24-hour period someone finding all these caches. > > > > > >http://members.cox.net/teamai/geocaching/images/route.jpg (274k > file!) > > > > > >Brian > > > > I think that route could be done in a 24 hour period. They are all > urban > > style caches pretty much. Doesnt look like he went any farther north > than > > the 101 in Glendale, so he probably didnt get any hiking caches in. > The > > question I have is how he can do all those 'hard to find' caches like > Tamo's > > black light caches and several others I can think of that really > stumped > me. > > As Brian said... that isnt realistic for someone that has only been > caching > > for a few weeks. > > > > I will say this... I have always said that anyone that just gets > into the > > game is very capable of smashing records as they have all those > caches > > waiting for them, but on the flip side.. they dont have the > experience to > > find these caches in a short period of time (5 minutes or less) to > be able > > to do that many in a day. > > > > What I would really like to see is a time stamp on all his finds. I > would > > like to see what time he visited them all. I always time stamp my log > online > > stating the date and time that I was there. This is just for my own > personal > > diary of my caching experiences. > > > > Scott > > Team Ropingthewind > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS > forms > and > > more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 16:43:18 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:43:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been there done that! References: <20040402083517.47078.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> <009e01c418c3$4d0ccb70$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <02fc01c418d1$9a5e7690$6400a8c0@BILLPC> Congrats to team Been_there_done_that. Quite an accomplishment for one day. Are they a member of the list? As for how they did it... Well, my wife and I find a lot of caches, but almost never log them. Finding them a second time if we decided we wanted to write in the log would go pretty fast, although in our case they are all rural caches, so the distances involved would preclude doing so many in one day. On the other hand, maybe they are just really smart, or maybe they have ESP. Bill in Willcox From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 17:14:23 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:14:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <02fc01c418d1$9a5e7690$6400a8c0@BILLPC> Message-ID: <20040402171423.12313.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Like I said before I think this person found them before or found them under another ID!There is NO WAY they are all new finds! Guy --- Bill wrote: > Congrats to team Been_there_done_that. Quite an > accomplishment for one day. Are they a member > of the list? > > As for how they did it... Well, my wife and I find > a lot of caches, but almost never log them. > Finding them a second time if we decided we wanted > to write in the log would go pretty fast, > although in our case they are all rural caches, so > the distances involved would preclude doing > so many in one day. On the other hand, maybe they > are just really smart, or maybe they have > ESP. > > Bill in Willcox > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 17:18:44 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:18:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! References: <20040402082626.23549.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <005101c418d6$8d94be60$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Actually, very little time/energy was spent on this from my point of view. But in the 'big scheme' of things, my caches are logged by my rules (no sign, no find). I found it odd that someone could pull a 103 cache day, and wanted to verify on at least the caches that I own, this this indeed happened. So for my little corner of the 103, they were valid. It took all of about 30 seconds to see where this cacher had been, and as far as I'm concerned, the point it moot. If another cacher took them around to find all 103, then they aren't really true finds as someone else showed them where to look. But whatever. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trisha" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > Um, guys, just a thought....look how much time and energy this 'been > there_done that' guy is stirring up amongst some of you...is it really > worth worrying about "this much" in the big scheme of things? It is, > after all, a game. Supposed to be fun (ha). > > Trisha ~ Prescott > > RAIN!! YES! please keep raining and stop the drought and reduce the > fire danger! YES! > > > > > > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:01:34 -0700, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > > > > As do I. But like the logs say, BeenThere_DoneThat BTDT. Funny > > though, > > that it's entirely redundant redundant. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RopingThe Wind" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:41 AM > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian - Team A.I." > > > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:21 -0700 > > > > > > > >For anyone interested, below is a link to a .jpg of a MapSource > > screen > > > >showing the caches found yesterday. I don't see how even > utilizing > > every > > > >single moment in a 24-hour period someone finding all these > caches. > > > > > > > >http://members.cox.net/teamai/geocaching/images/route.jpg (274k > > file!) > > > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > I think that route could be done in a 24 hour period. They are all > > urban > > > style caches pretty much. Doesnt look like he went any farther > north > > than > > > the 101 in Glendale, so he probably didnt get any hiking caches in. > > The > > > question I have is how he can do all those 'hard to find' caches > like > > Tamo's > > > black light caches and several others I can think of that really > > stumped > > me. > > > As Brian said... that isnt realistic for someone that has only been > > caching > > > for a few weeks. > > > > > > I will say this... I have always said that anyone that just gets > > into the > > > game is very capable of smashing records as they have all those > > caches > > > waiting for them, but on the flip side.. they dont have the > > experience to > > > find these caches in a short period of time (5 minutes or less) to > > be able > > > to do that many in a day. > > > > > > What I would really like to see is a time stamp on all his finds. I > > would > > > like to see what time he visited them all. I always time stamp my > log > > online > > > stating the date and time that I was there. This is just for my own > > personal > > > diary of my caching experiences. > > > > > > Scott > > > Team Ropingthewind > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS > > forms > > and > > > more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 17:28:43 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:28:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: <20040402092845.314.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I am sorry, Brian, I didn't mean to offend you or anything. I didn't realize that you had a cache in your yard (i.e. 30 seconds to check...). If it were that easy, I too would probably have verified the find immediately out of curiousity...but my closest cache to my house is a 25 minutes drive and 5 minute walk one way, so for me, that's an hour of time spent to check on someone. Not worth it to me unless I am in the area. It is still a game/hobby/sport that is supposed to be fun. But whatever. Again, I apologize. Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:18:44 -0700, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > Actually, very little time/energy was spent on this from my point of > view. > But in the 'big scheme' of things, my caches are logged by my rules (no > sign, no find). I found it odd that someone could pull a 103 cache > day, and > wanted to verify on at least the caches that I own, this this indeed > happened. So for my little corner of the 103, they were valid. It > took all > of about 30 seconds to see where this cacher had been, and as far as > I'm > concerned, the point it moot. > > If another cacher took them around to find all 103, then they aren't > really > true finds as someone else showed them where to look. But whatever. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trisha" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:26 AM > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > Um, guys, just a thought....look how much time and energy this 'been > > there_done that' guy is stirring up amongst some of you...is it > really > > worth worrying about "this much" in the big scheme of things? It is, > > after all, a game. Supposed to be fun (ha). > > > > Trisha ~ Prescott > > > > RAIN!! YES! please keep raining and stop the drought and reduce the > > fire danger! YES! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:01:34 -0700, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > > > > > > > As do I. But like the logs say, BeenThere_DoneThat BTDT. Funny > > > though, > > > that it's entirely redundant redundant. > > > > > > Brian > > > Team A.I. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "RopingThe Wind" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:41 AM > > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian - Team A.I." > > > > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:21 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >For anyone interested, below is a link to a .jpg of a MapSource > > > screen > > > > >showing the caches found yesterday. I don't see how even > > utilizing > > > every > > > > >single moment in a 24-hour period someone finding all these > > caches. > > > > > > > > > >http://members.cox.net/teamai/geocaching/images/route.jpg (274k > > > file!) > > > > > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > I think that route could be done in a 24 hour period. They are > all > > > urban > > > > style caches pretty much. Doesnt look like he went any farther > > north > > > than > > > > the 101 in Glendale, so he probably didnt get any hiking caches > in. > > > The > > > > question I have is how he can do all those 'hard to find' caches > > like > > > Tamo's > > > > black light caches and several others I can think of that really > > > stumped > > > me. > > > > As Brian said... that isnt realistic for someone that has only > been > > > caching > > > > for a few weeks. > > > > > > > > I will say this... I have always said that anyone that just gets > > > into the > > > > game is very capable of smashing records as they have all those > > > caches > > > > waiting for them, but on the flip side.. they dont have the > > > experience to > > > > find these caches in a short period of time (5 minutes or less) > to > > > be able > > > > to do that many in a day. > > > > > > > > What I would really like to see is a time stamp on all his > finds. I > > > would > > > > like to see what time he visited them all. I always time stamp my > > log > > > online > > > > stating the date and time that I was there. This is just for my > own > > > personal > > > > diary of my caching experiences. > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > Team Ropingthewind > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS > > > forms > > > and > > > > more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 17:38:58 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:38:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been there done that! Message-ID: <20040402093858.29421.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I agree, Guy. My sense (opinion) is that this may have been a cleverly thought out (using different dates even) April Fool's joke, like someone else suggested earlier, and it sure WORKED! (and got people worked up!) :-) Enjoy the rain* Trisha *unless you are stupid enough to drive into a flowing wash On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:14:23 -0800 (PST), GUY ALDRICH wrote: > > Like I said before I think this person found them > before or found them under another ID!There is NO WAY > they are all new finds! > > Guy > --- Bill wrote: > > Congrats to team Been_there_done_that. Quite an > > accomplishment for one day. Are they a member > > of the list? > > > > As for how they did it... Well, my wife and I find > > a lot of caches, but almost never log them. > > Finding them a second time if we decided we wanted > > to write in the log would go pretty fast, > > although in our case they are all rural caches, so > > the distances involved would preclude doing > > so many in one day. On the other hand, maybe they > > are just really smart, or maybe they have > > ESP. > > > > Bill in Willcox > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 17:46:42 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:46:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <005101c418d6$8d94be60$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <005301c418da$76b2c120$c2706540@unicon.net> Since there are 1440 minutes in a 24-hour period, they would have had to average about one cache every 14 minutes over the course of 24 hours. I can't say it's impossible to do, since I have never attempted it. There are so many other factors that could hinder this effort (eating, using the restroom, fueling the car, rush-hour traffic, etc.) Chances are it was done by a team of people dispersed all over the valley, each of them signing or stamping logbooks of caches they have previously found. Too bad they couldn't get someone to help out in north Scottsdale or Ahwatukee. That would have made an even more ludicrous map. :) Whether it's cheating or not, I don't care. I consider it a good 4/1 hoax. Either way, I've enjoyed reading all the detective-work in this thread. It's an interesting to me anyway. -Brent Team HumNummaHumma (formerly FroBro Q-Tip) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:19 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Actually, very little time/energy was spent on this from my point of view. But in the 'big scheme' of things, my caches are logged by my rules (no sign, no find). I found it odd that someone could pull a 103 cache day, and wanted to verify on at least the caches that I own, this this indeed happened. So for my little corner of the 103, they were valid. It took all of about 30 seconds to see where this cacher had been, and as far as I'm concerned, the point it moot. If another cacher took them around to find all 103, then they aren't really true finds as someone else showed them where to look. But whatever. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trisha" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > Um, guys, just a thought....look how much time and energy this 'been > there_done that' guy is stirring up amongst some of you...is it really > worth worrying about "this much" in the big scheme of things? It is, > after all, a game. Supposed to be fun (ha). > > Trisha ~ Prescott > > RAIN!! YES! please keep raining and stop the drought and reduce the > fire danger! YES! > > > > > > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:01:34 -0700, "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > > > > > As do I. But like the logs say, BeenThere_DoneThat BTDT. Funny > > though, > > that it's entirely redundant redundant. > > > > Brian > > Team A.I. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RopingThe Wind" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:41 AM > > Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Brian - Team A.I." > > > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > > > >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:19:21 -0700 > > > > > > > >For anyone interested, below is a link to a .jpg of a MapSource > > screen > > > >showing the caches found yesterday. I don't see how even > utilizing > > every > > > >single moment in a 24-hour period someone finding all these > caches. > > > > > > > >http://members.cox.net/teamai/geocaching/images/route.jpg (274k > > file!) > > > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > I think that route could be done in a 24 hour period. They are all > > urban > > > style caches pretty much. Doesnt look like he went any farther > north > > than > > > the 101 in Glendale, so he probably didnt get any hiking caches in. > > The > > > question I have is how he can do all those 'hard to find' caches > like > > Tamo's > > > black light caches and several others I can think of that really > > stumped > > me. > > > As Brian said... that isnt realistic for someone that has only been > > caching > > > for a few weeks. > > > > > > I will say this... I have always said that anyone that just gets > > into the > > > game is very capable of smashing records as they have all those > > caches > > > waiting for them, but on the flip side.. they dont have the > > experience to > > > find these caches in a short period of time (5 minutes or less) to > > be able > > > to do that many in a day. > > > > > > What I would really like to see is a time stamp on all his finds. I > > would > > > like to see what time he visited them all. I always time stamp my > log > > online > > > stating the date and time that I was there. This is just for my own > > personal > > > diary of my caching experiences. > > > > > > Scott > > > Team Ropingthewind > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS > > forms > > and > > > more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 18:17:51 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:17:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! References: <005301c418da$76b2c120$c2706540@unicon.net> Message-ID: <032101c418de$cfb8d620$6400a8c0@BILLPC> Well, I have a question about this. Many of the teams that play the game have more than one member. Does EVERY member of a team have to be present in order for the find to count for the team? I suspect that many teams have gone caching when one or more members was unable to be there. Should the finds they logged when a member was not present be disallowed? If every member doesn't have to be present, then a five person team that split up would not be cheating, would they? Bill in Willcox ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Milner" > the restroom, fueling the car, rush-hour traffic, etc.) Chances are it > was done by a team of people dispersed all over the valley, each of them > signing or stamping logbooks of caches they have previously found. Too > bad they couldn't get someone to help out in north Scottsdale or > Ahwatukee. That would have made an even more ludicrous map. :) > > Whether it's cheating or not, I don't care. I consider it a good 4/1 > hoax. Either way, I've enjoyed reading all the detective-work in this > thread. It's an interesting to me anyway. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 18:28:42 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:28:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <20040402093858.29421.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <20040402182842.74851.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com> YES!!!I'm loving the rain!It's no big deal but it did get my attention! Guy --- Trisha wrote: > I agree, Guy. My sense (opinion) is that this may > have been a cleverly > thought out (using different dates even) April > Fool's joke, like > someone else suggested earlier, and it sure WORKED! > (and got people > worked up!) :-) > > Enjoy the rain* > Trisha > > *unless you are stupid enough to drive into a > flowing wash > > > > > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:14:23 -0800 (PST), GUY ALDRICH > wrote: > > > > > Like I said before I think this person found them > > before or found them under another ID!There is NO > WAY > > they are all new finds! > > > > Guy > > --- Bill wrote: > > > Congrats to team Been_there_done_that. Quite an > > > accomplishment for one day. Are they a member > > > of the list? > > > > > > As for how they did it... Well, my wife and I > find > > > a lot of caches, but almost never log them. > > > Finding them a second time if we decided we > wanted > > > to write in the log would go pretty fast, > > > although in our case they are all rural caches, > so > > > the distances involved would preclude doing > > > so many in one day. On the other hand, maybe > they > > > are just really smart, or maybe they have > > > ESP. > > > > > > Bill in Willcox > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > > visit: > > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 18:32:52 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:32:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <032101c418de$cfb8d620$6400a8c0@BILLPC> Message-ID: <20040402183252.32362.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> True! --- Bill wrote: > Well, I have a question about this. Many of the > teams that play the game have more than one > member. Does EVERY member of a team have to be > present in order for the find to count for the > team? I suspect that many teams have gone caching > when one or more members was unable to be > there. Should the finds they logged when a member > was not present be disallowed? If every > member doesn't have to be present, then a five > person team that split up would not be cheating, > would they? > > Bill in Willcox > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brent Milner" > > the restroom, fueling the car, rush-hour traffic, > etc.) Chances are it > > was done by a team of people dispersed all over > the valley, each of them > > signing or stamping logbooks of caches they have > previously found. Too > > bad they couldn't get someone to help out in north > Scottsdale or > > Ahwatukee. That would have made an even more > ludicrous map. :) > > > > Whether it's cheating or not, I don't care. I > consider it a good 4/1 > > hoax. Either way, I've enjoyed reading all the > detective-work in this > > thread. It's an interesting to me anyway. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 18:54:50 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:54:50 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Message-ID: >From: "Bill" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:17:51 -0700 > >Well, I have a question about this. Many of the teams that play the game >have more than one >member. Does EVERY member of a team have to be present in order for the >find to count for the >team? I suspect that many teams have gone caching when one or more members >was unable to be >there. Should the finds they logged when a member was not present be >disallowed? If every >member doesn't have to be present, then a five person team that split up >would not be cheating, >would they? > >Bill in Willcox My rule is that I MUST be at every cache find and I am the ONLY one on Team Ropingthewind that can sign the log. Other team members are at some of my finds, but I am at ALL of them. This I believe should be the #1 rule in geocaching etiquette and a rule that I believe most all geocaching teams abide by. There are a few that might bend the rules a bit to break records. However, they are only cheating themselves. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 22:17:51 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:17:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! References: <20040402183252.32362.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003301c41900$56f04da0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> My question is should we file this under a monkey see monkey do??? say I find a cache then say I decided to write in the cache log on a different day. Does this mean I haven't found the cache or just want to log a bunch of finds for a day??? IMHO a few profile pages will need updating.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! > True! > --- Bill wrote: > > Well, I have a question about this. Many of the > > teams that play the game have more than one > > member. Does EVERY member of a team have to be > > present in order for the find to count for the > > team? I suspect that many teams have gone caching > > when one or more members was unable to be > > there. Should the finds they logged when a member > > was not present be disallowed? If every > > member doesn't have to be present, then a five > > person team that split up would not be cheating, > > would they? > > > > Bill in Willcox > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brent Milner" > > > the restroom, fueling the car, rush-hour traffic, > > etc.) Chances are it > > > was done by a team of people dispersed all over > > the valley, each of them > > > signing or stamping logbooks of caches they have > > previously found. Too > > > bad they couldn't get someone to help out in north > > Scottsdale or > > > Ahwatukee. That would have made an even more > > ludicrous map. :) > > > > > > Whether it's cheating or not, I don't care. I > > consider it a good 4/1 > > > hoax. Either way, I've enjoyed reading all the > > detective-work in this > > > thread. It's an interesting to me anyway. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > > visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 22:40:30 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:40:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That Message-ID: <406DEBDE.9080703@mchsi.com> I agree with Guy and Brian. I think this is all a hoax. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying it's highly unlikely that a virgin team did it. I spent a full 24 hours caching on March 9th and found 73 caches. I didn't get my logs completed until late the following day. (I think it's curious that the account for 'Been There Done That' was created the very next day.) Does anybody know what time BTDT's logs started showing up in the system yesterday? I know there were some as early as yesterday evening but I don't know exactly what time. How could they have time to find over 100 caches and still get them logged in the same day. I think an experienced cacher has created a new account and returned to caches they already found. Their motive is either for the publicity (which they're obviously getting) or to yank someone's chain. Has anyone tried to contact this ''new'' team? Perhaps we should invite them to the next event cache and recognize them formally. >Like I said before I think this person found them >before or found them under another ID!There is NO WAY >they are all new finds! > > >Guy > And I agree with Scott on this one. There should be a captain of a team and the team captain at least ought to be present at each cache find, particularly when you're trying to 'set records.' A team that splits up to find caches is fine, as long as you're not trying to break a record in the process. That would be like a pair of twins running in the Boston Marathon. One starts the race and the other one takes a cab to the finish line and runs the last 1/4 mile to the finish-- in first place, of course. That, I think, would be unethical. If I invited 100 people to join my team, then my team could easily find 300 or 400 caches before breakfast! As you can probably guess, I have a vested interest in determining the validity of this team. Don't let it be said that I'm a poor sport, though. If indeed, they are a 'new' team and they did accomplish what they claim, without any under-handed dealing, my hat is off to them and I offer my congratulations. I'd also like to give a shout out to the Queen of England, whom I believe is also in town. -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 2 22:52:51 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:52:51 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That] Message-ID: <783iDBw1z6688S13.1080946371@uwdvg013.cms.usa.net> My first email from GC.com is time stamped 22:21. This person sure logged them fast. But, since thay all say the same thing, cut and paste sure can speed things up. The email that was sent to me with the answers to my virtual was time stamped 22:50. They did allow their email address to be sent to me, and it is a freem email address, which can be found at www.mail.com. Scott Sparks wrote: > I agree with Guy and Brian. I think this is all a hoax. I'm not > saying it can't be done, I'm just saying it's highly unlikely that a > virgin team did it. I spent a full 24 hours caching on March 9th and > found 73 caches. I didn't get my logs completed until late the following > day. (I think it's curious that the account for 'Been There Done That' > was created the very next day.) Does anybody know what time BTDT's logs > started showing up in the system yesterday? I know there were some as > early as yesterday evening but I don't know exactly what time. How > could they have time to find over 100 caches and still get them logged > in the same day. I think an experienced cacher has created a new > account and returned to caches they already found. Their motive is > either for the publicity (which they're obviously getting) or to yank > someone's chain. Has anyone tried to contact this ''new'' team? > Perhaps we should invite them to the next event cache and recognize them > formally. > > >Like I said before I think this person found them > >before or found them under another ID!There is NO WAY > >they are all new finds! > > > > > >Guy > > > > And I agree with Scott on this one. There should be a captain of a team > and the team captain at least ought to be present at each cache find, > particularly when you're trying to 'set records.' A team that splits up > to find caches is fine, as long as you're not trying to break a record > in the process. That would be like a pair of twins running in the > Boston Marathon. One starts the race and the other one takes a cab to > the finish line and runs the last 1/4 mile to the finish-- in first > place, of course. That, I think, would be unethical. If I invited 100 > people to join my team, then my team could easily find 300 or 400 caches > before breakfast! > > As you can probably guess, I have a vested interest in determining the > validity of this team. Don't let it be said that I'm a poor sport, > though. If indeed, they are a 'new' team and they did accomplish what > they claim, without any under-handed dealing, my hat is off to them and > I offer my congratulations. I'd also like to give a shout out to the > Queen of England, whom I believe is also in town. > > -- Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 00:48:04 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:48:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That In-Reply-To: <406DEBDE.9080703@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <009401c41915$539b49b0$c2706540@unicon.net> If it is a hoax, I'll bet the hoaxer is reading all these mails and laughing their respective hiney(s) off. -Brent -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sparks Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:41 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That I agree with Guy and Brian. I think this is all a hoax. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying it's highly unlikely that a virgin team did it. I spent a full 24 hours caching on March 9th and found 73 caches. I didn't get my logs completed until late the following day. (I think it's curious that the account for 'Been There Done That' was created the very next day.) Does anybody know what time BTDT's logs started showing up in the system yesterday? I know there were some as early as yesterday evening but I don't know exactly what time. How could they have time to find over 100 caches and still get them logged in the same day. I think an experienced cacher has created a new account and returned to caches they already found. Their motive is either for the publicity (which they're obviously getting) or to yank someone's chain. Has anyone tried to contact this ''new'' team? Perhaps we should invite them to the next event cache and recognize them formally. >Like I said before I think this person found them >before or found them under another ID!There is NO WAY >they are all new finds! > > >Guy > And I agree with Scott on this one. There should be a captain of a team and the team captain at least ought to be present at each cache find, particularly when you're trying to 'set records.' A team that splits up to find caches is fine, as long as you're not trying to break a record in the process. That would be like a pair of twins running in the Boston Marathon. One starts the race and the other one takes a cab to the finish line and runs the last 1/4 mile to the finish-- in first place, of course. That, I think, would be unethical. If I invited 100 people to join my team, then my team could easily find 300 or 400 caches before breakfast! As you can probably guess, I have a vested interest in determining the validity of this team. Don't let it be said that I'm a poor sport, though. If indeed, they are a 'new' team and they did accomplish what they claim, without any under-handed dealing, my hat is off to them and I offer my congratulations. I'd also like to give a shout out to the Queen of England, whom I believe is also in town. -- Sprocket ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 02:01:27 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:01:27 EST Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That] Message-ID: <113.30e0d864.2d9f74f7@aol.com> -------------------------------1080957687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone considered this might be a large team of people involved in league cacheing ? see: http://www.cacheleague.com/ -------------------------------1080957687 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Has anyone considered this might be a large=20= team of people involved in league cacheing ?

see: http://www.cacheleague.com/

-------------------------------1080957687-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 02:31:14 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:31:14 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That] In-Reply-To: <113.30e0d864.2d9f74f7@aol.com> References: <113.30e0d864.2d9f74f7@aol.com> Message-ID: <406E21F2.9080701@usa.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090400030500060208030709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If so, they all have the same rubber stamp to use on the logs. Who ever it is, it sure is fun to read all these messages. My hat is off to whoever it is. PThomp9719@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone considered this might be a large team of people involved in > league cacheing ? > see: http://www.cacheleague.com/ > > --------------090400030500060208030709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If so, they all have the same rubber stamp to use on the logs. Who ever it is, it sure is fun to read all these messages. My hat is off to whoever it is.

PThomp9719@aol.com wrote:

Has anyone considered this might be a large team of people involved in league cacheing ?

see: http://www.cacheleague.com/

--------------090400030500060208030709-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 02:49:13 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:49:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Easter event cache Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C418EB.92C6CDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How many plan on attending this event cache for Easter? http://www.geocacher-u.com/aprilfool.gif ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C418EB.92C6CDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How many plan = on attending this event cache for Easter?

http://www.geocacher-u.com/aprilfool.gif
------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C418EB.92C6CDA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 04:19:15 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry H) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:19:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040403041915.72461.qmail@web40202.mail.yahoo.com> We do it the same way. I am at all of the finds, I take the wife and kids with me when I can. Team GPSaxophone > My rule is that I MUST be at every cache find and I > am the ONLY one on Team > Ropingthewind that can sign the log. Other team > members are at some of my > finds, but I am at ALL of them. This I believe > should be the #1 rule in > geocaching etiquette and a rule that I believe most > all geocaching teams > abide by. There are a few that might bend the rules > a bit to break records. > However, they are only cheating themselves. > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind ===== FriarED _______________________________________ Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 05:31:52 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:31:52 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That Message-ID: >From: Scott Sparks >A team that splits up to find caches is fine, as long as you're not trying >to break a record in the process. >-- Sprocket In my personal opinion, a team that splits up is NEVER fine. Not for a record breaking day, not for any day. If you a are top ranked cacher and working toward reaching the #1 spot, I sure hope, Sprocket, that you yourself was at each and every cache you logged as a find. I know I was and I got to #1 very legitimately. I hope that the next team that takes me out of the #1 spot will play it as fairly as I did. I know the stats are a big screwed up right now, but Sprocket, you are quite possibly in the #1 spot right now. If not, you are very close and will do so any day now. I sure hope you are playing it as straight up as I am. I have seen your logs all over the place and we have met up at caches many times. So, I am confident you play the game fairly. But, why would you suggest in your post above that you think it is ok to split up your team to find caches!? Have you done this in the past!? Anyone can play this game any way they like... there really are no hard set rules. However, there is certain etiquette and rules that the top teams tend to maintain... in honor of good sportsmanship and respect for our fellow 'competitors' (as we most certainly are sometimes!). Splitting a team up to find caches in certainly NOT one of them. I know myself, I have been at EVERY single one of the 1,210 caches I have found and only I wrote my log in the logbook and then online. I have other teammates that go with me on occasion, but I am ALWAYS at every cache I find. I will not allow another teammate to take another GPS and split off to get other caches. If they want to do this.. they log those finds as another team. AZSaluki.... Jim is always at all of their caches they find. Kristen is at many of them, but Jim is at all of them. I believe that Wyle E has also stuck by this 'rule'. Just my personal opinion. But, anything less is cheating in my book. In this game.. I guess you are just cheating yourself if that is how you have been doing it. Of course, you would also be cheating your fellow cachers who have worked very hard and legitimately to get to the top as well. Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&pgmarket=en-us&ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 11:52:23 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 04:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C41937.73E37A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a solution! It's obvious that not all cachers geocache for the same reason. There ar= e those who do it just for "fun"! And there are those who think of it as= a "hobby," or a "sport." But there are a number of cachers who "play th= e numbers game" - and when you mix all of the above together when it come= s to the number game, you are open to chaos. Maybe it's time for seperate stats to be kept for those who enjoy going f= or the records. Maybe we're getting to a point where records need to be verified! (Much = like Ripley's Believe It Or Not!) If it's not verified, it doesn't count= ! To get on the stat page for most caches found in 24 hrs, we could requ= ire the team or individual to register their intent first, then have obse= rvers follow along to verify the hunt! For records such as "most caches = found in a month," or "year," or the top spot for "most caches found in A= rizona," we could have the team or individual sign a form stating that th= e individual or at least one member of the team was indeed present at eve= ry find. We can even take the stats further! We can seperate every record into ca= tegories of mosts for "teams" and "mosts" for individuals! Rand =20 (RandMan) Okay - you can stop laughing now. ;) :D =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: RopingThe Wind Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:34 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That Scott Sparks (Sprocket) wrote: A team that splits up to find caches is fine, as long as you're not tryin= g =20 to break a record in the process. Scott (Team Roping The Wind) wrote: Sprocket =20 In my personal opinion, a team that splits up is NEVER fine. Not for a =20 record breaking day, not for any day. If you are a top ranked cacher and =20 working toward reaching the #1 spot, I sure hope, Sprocket, that you =20 yourself was at each and every cache you logged as a find. I know I was a= nd =20 I got to #1 very legitimately. I hope that the next team that takes me ou= t =20 of the #1 spot will play it as fairly as I did. I know the stats are a bi= g =20 screwed up right now, but Sprocket, you are quite possibly in the #1 spot= =20 right now. If not, you are very close and will do so any day now. I sure =20 hope you are playing it as straight up as I am. I have seen your logs all= =20 over the place and we have met up at caches many times. So, I am confiden= t =20 you play the game fairly. But, why would you suggest in your post above t= hat =20 you think it is ok to split up your team to find caches!? Have you done t= his =20 in the past!? Anyone can play this game any way they like... there really are no hard s= et =20 rules. However, there is certain etiquette and rules that the top teams t= end =20 to maintain... in honor of good sportsmanship and respect for our fellow =20 'competitors' (as we most certainly are sometimes!). Splitting a team up= to =20 find caches in certainly NOT one of them. I know myself, I have been at =20 EVERY single one of the 1,210 caches I have found and only I wrote my log= in =20 the logbook and then online. I have other teammates that go with me on =20 occasion, but I am ALWAYS at every cache I find. I will not allow another= =20 teammate to take another GPS and split off to get other caches. If they w= ant =20 to do this.. they log those finds as another team. AZSaluki.... Jim is =20 always at all of their caches they find. Kristen is at many of them, but = Jim =20 is at all of them. I believe that Wyle E has also stuck by this 'rule'. Just my personal opinion. But, anything less is cheating in my book. In t= his =20 game.. I guess you are just cheating yourself if that is how you have bee= n =20 doing it. Of course, you would also be cheating your fellow cachers who h= ave =20 worked very hard and legitimately to get to the top as well. Scott Team Ropingthewind ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C41937.73E37A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= I have a solution!

It's obvious that not all cachers geocache for the same reason.&n= bsp; There are those who do it just for "fun"! And there = are those who think of it as a "hobby," or a "sport." But there are= a number of cachers who "play the numbers game" - and when you mix all o= f the above together when it comes to the number game, you are = open to chaos.

Maybe it's time for seperate = stats to be kept for those who enjoy going for the records.

&n= bsp;

Maybe we're getting to a point where records need to be v= erified! (Much like Ripley's Believe It Or Not!) = If it's not verified, it doesn't count! To get on the stat page= for most caches found in 24 hrs, we could require the team or individual= to register their intent first, then have observers follo= w along to verify the hunt! For records such as "most cac= hes found in a month," or "year," or the top spot for "most cac= hes found in Arizona," we could have the team or individual sign a&n= bsp;form stating that the individual or at least one member of the team w= as indeed present at every find.

We can even= take the stats further! We can seperate every record into categori= es of mosts for "teams" and "mosts" for individuals!

&nbs= p;

Rand

(RandMan)

Okay - you can s= top laughing now. ;) :D

----- Original Message= -----

From: RopingThe Wind

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:34 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
<= DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Be= en There, Done That

Scott Sparks (Spro= cket) wrote:

A team that splits up to find caches= is fine, as long as you're not trying
to break a record in the p= rocess.

Scott (Team Roping The Wind) wrote:
<= P>Sprocket

In my personal opinion, a team that splits up= is NEVER fine. Not for a
record breaking day, not for any day. I= f you are a top ranked cacher and
working toward reaching the #1= spot, I sure hope, Sprocket, that you
yourself was at each and every= cache you logged as a find. I know I was and
I got to #1 very legiti= mately. I hope that the next team that takes me out
of the #1 spot wi= ll play it as fairly as I did. I know the stats are a big
screwed up = right now, but Sprocket, you are quite possibly in the #1 spot
right = now. If not, you are very close and will do so any day now. I sure
ho= pe you are playing it as straight up as I am. I have seen your logs all <= BR>over the place and we have met up at caches many times. So, I am confi= dent
you play the game fairly. But, why would you suggest in your pos= t above that
you think it is ok to split up your team to find caches!= ? Have you done this
in the past!?

Anyone can play this game a= ny way they like... there really are no hard set
rules. However, ther= e is certain etiquette and rules that the top teams tend
to maintain.= . in honor of good sportsmanship and respect for our fellow
'competi= tors' (as we most certainly are sometimes!). Splitting a team up to=
find caches in certainly NOT one of them. I know myself, I have been= at
EVERY single one of the 1,210 caches I have found and only I wrot= e my log in
the logbook and then online. I have other teammates that = go with me on
occasion, but I am ALWAYS at every cache I find. I will= not allow another
teammate to take another GPS and split off to get = other caches. If they want
to do this.. they log those finds as anoth= er team. AZSaluki.... Jim is
always at all of their caches they find.= Kristen is at many of them, but Jim
is at all of them. I believe tha= t Wyle E has also stuck by this 'rule'.

Just my personal opinion. = But, anything less is cheating in my book. In this
game.. I guess you= are just cheating yourself if that is how you have been
doing it. Of= course, you would also be cheating your fellow cachers who have
work= ed very hard and legitimately to get to the top as well.

Scott
= Team Ropingthewind

------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C41937.73E37A40-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 12:45:49 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 7:45:49 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That Message-ID: <20040403124549.FNPW2450.fed1mtao06.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I find this log interesting... http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=fe07ec02-6fca-4d55-9823-134977612882 This is my little puzzle cache. They were honest to list it as a 'did not find'. Considering that the cache hunt was on April Fool's Day, I was thinking that it may be just a big joke on us. but if so, why would they bother logging one of mine as a DNF. I may have to consider a "Caching Marathon" next year on 4/1, and delete my logs the next day. On another note.... The reason I created my own account was because I had done some cache's without Brian, and he didn't feel like logging them under the account since he wasn't there. So it was easy enough for me to create a new account, and just add new logs to the 30 or so caches we had done together. Since most of his logs had references to my attendance, there wasn't much of a problem. Jake - Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 16:06:11 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:06:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There Done That Message-ID: <406EE0F3.1020301@mchsi.com> Yes, Scott, I have been present at every single find for Team Sprocket. Various members of my family accompany me at various times and they sometimes write in the logbooks but I am _always_ present for every find. I was just saying that, for the casual geocaching team, I don't see why an occasional find by someone other than the 'captain' should be a problem. For example, Mr and Mrs Smith, a retired couple, both enjoy geocaching. Mr. Smith is the team captain but Mrs. Smith, while at her monthly bridge club, snags a find that is nearby. There's no reason Mrs. Smith should have to call call Mr. Smith at his golf game across town and say, ''Honey, I found a cache over here near Seizure World. Can you come and sign the log for me?'' >In my personal opinion, a team that splits up is NEVER fine. Not for a >record breaking day, not for any day. If you a are top ranked cacher and >working toward reaching the #1 spot, I sure hope, Sprocket, that you >yourself was at each and every cache you logged as a find. > Because, I have the ability to see things objectively and from perspectives other than my own. :-) >But, why would you suggest in your post above t= >hat =20 >you think it is ok to split up your team to find caches! > And BTW, Scott, you're still #1. -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 16:18:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:18:40 -0800 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There Done That Message-ID: Sprocket, I have never really doubted your geocaching and 'numbers' before. I have seen you out there so many times and seen your logs and such. But, after you suggested in your post (and a post you made after a record breaking day back in April of 2003 on the listserv) about breaking up the team... made me wonder! I am glad to hear you too have been playing it straight up. It just seems to be a 'thing' with the top teams. We all seem to think alike and play the game utilizing the same ettiquette and rules. I would then like to congratulate you on taking back the monthly record that I snookered away from you last month :). For those that havent noticed yet, since the stats are not accurate right now... Sprocket now holds the new monthly record of (I believe) 223 AZ finds! I broke Sprockets old record of 160+ by doing 204 in February. I wasnt after the record, but that was what it took to beat AZSaluki for the #1 spot! It didnt take long for Sprocket to try and take back that honor!!! :) So, I will be the first to congratulation you on the new monthly record Sprocket! I am not sure how many out of state finds you have logged, so cant really figure out the rankings. But, if I figure right... you are darn close, if not already there... on taking over the top spot! So, I applaud you for that... but, will wait until it is official before I congratulate you on that! ;) :>) Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page � FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 16:48:41 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:48:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There Done That References: <406EE0F3.1020301@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <000001c4199d$a3b62680$901a0244@ph.cox.net> so Scott (Sprocket) you have changed since you posted your layout for the time you broke a record on a record day? this link... http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermail/az-geocaching/2003-April/007358.html lets see with the intent of splitting up even though the others had problems, what would you have said if they didn't?? then why be upset if BTDT is a established cacher, you have pre found caches before your official Log?. what is the difference between signing the log on a record day or when you first spot it??? Oh well now onto pissing off someone else again.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 9:06 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There Done That > Yes, Scott, I have been present at every single find for Team Sprocket. > Various members of my family accompany me at various times and they > sometimes write in the logbooks but I am _always_ present for every > find. I was just saying that, for the casual geocaching team, I don't > see why an occasional find by someone other than the 'captain' should be > a problem. For example, Mr and Mrs Smith, a retired couple, both enjoy > geocaching. Mr. Smith is the team captain but Mrs. Smith, while at her > monthly bridge club, snags a find that is nearby. There's no reason > Mrs. Smith should have to call call Mr. Smith at his golf game across > town and say, ''Honey, I found a cache over here near Seizure World. Can > you come and sign the log for me?'' > > >In my personal opinion, a team that splits up is NEVER fine. Not for a > >record breaking day, not for any day. If you a are top ranked cacher and > >working toward reaching the #1 spot, I sure hope, Sprocket, that you > >yourself was at each and every cache you logged as a find. > > > > Because, I have the ability to see things objectively and from > perspectives other than my own. :-) > > >But, why would you suggest in your post above t= > >hat =20 > >you think it is ok to split up your team to find caches! > > > And BTW, Scott, you're still #1. > > -- Sprocket > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 21:27:18 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:27:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There Done That Message-ID: <406F2C36.2050300@mchsi.com> Regan, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?? >so Scott (Sprocket) you have changed since you posted your layout for the >time you broke a record on a record day? > >this link... > >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermail/az-geocaching/2003-April/007358.html > > >lets see with the intent of splitting up even though the others had >problems, what would you have said if they didn't?? > >then why be upset if BTDT is a established cacher, you have pre found caches >before your official Log?. >what is the difference between signing the log on a record day or when you >first spot it??? > >Oh well > >now onto pissing off someone else again.... > For the record, I never said I was upset about anything. I'm having as much fun with this as anybody. :-) -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 3 21:36:22 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:36:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There Done That Message-ID: <406F2E56.9040300@mchsi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060205080001050508020702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > So, I will be the first to >congratulation you on the new monthly record Sprocket! > >I am not sure how many out of state finds you have logged, so cant really >figure out the rankings. But, if I figure right... you are darn close, if >not already there... on taking over the top spot! So, I applaud you for >that... but, will wait until it is official before I congratulate you on >that! :>) > >Scott >Team Ropingthewind > Thanks, Scott, about the monthly record! It is only 221, though and not 223. And don't be too eager to give up that top spot yet. You are still in the lead and I know you won't just roll over and play dead at this point. ;-) I do have an ever so slight advantage though, in that I know how many AZ caches you have find (since you only do AZ caches) but you don't know exactly how many AZ caches I have found. For now, until the stats page is accurate again, I'll just keep you guessing. :-X -- Sprocket --------------060205080001050508020702 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------010807090409030301030304" --------------010807090409030301030304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

  So, I will be the first to 
congratulation you on the new monthly record Sprocket!

I am not sure how many out of state finds you have logged, so cant really 
figure out the rankings. But, if I figure right... you are darn close, if 
not already there... on taking over the top spot! So, I applaud you for 
that... but, will wait until it is official before I congratulate you on 
that!   :>)

Scott
Team Ropingthewind

Thanks, Scott, about the monthly record! It is only 221, though and not 223. And don't be too eager to give up that top spot yet. You are still in the lead and I know you won't just roll over and play dead at this point. ;-) I do have an ever so slight advantage though, in that I know how many AZ caches you have find (since you only do AZ caches) but you don't know exactly how many AZ caches I have found. For now, until the stats page is accurate again, I'll just keep you guessing. :-X

-- Sprocket
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On two instances, we split up and hunted separately for two different (very close by) caches but, in both cases, one person was either unable to find their respective cache or unable to reach it so we both ended up finding the second cache together anyway. > >lets see with the intent of splitting up even though the others had > >problems, what would you have said if they didn't?? > > > >then why be upset if BTDT is a established cacher, you have pre found caches > >before your official Log?. For the multi-step caches, we completed all but the final step in advance. > >what is the difference between signing the log on a record day or when you > >first spot it??? > > > >Oh well > > > >now onto pissing off someone else again.... > > > > For the record, I never said I was upset about anything. I'm having as > much fun with this as anybody. :-) > > -- Sprocket > > > you can have all the fun as the rest of us but not this persons respect as a cacher.... From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 4 01:57:21 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 18:57:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That Message-ID: <406F6B81.6090500@mchsi.com> I recall another hoax that was perpetrated some time ago in which a non-existent cache was posted near the home of the venerable Wyle E. Those who were 'in' on the joke posted 'finds' for the cache even though there was no cache to be found. Some people logged DNF's, just to add to the illusion of legitamacy. The same thing could apply here. -- Sprocket >Considering that the cache hunt was on April Fool's Day, I was thinking that it may be just a big joke on us. but if so, why would they bother logging one of mine as a DNF. > ... >Jake - Team A.I. > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 4 02:07:35 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:07:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That References: <406F6B81.6090500@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <002301c419e9$9914fb60$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Yeah, the Wyle E one was great. I remember hearing the story about it at one of Regan's event caches, and was just rolling in the aisles. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That > I recall another hoax that was perpetrated some time ago in which a > non-existent cache was posted near the home of the venerable Wyle E. > Those who were 'in' on the joke posted 'finds' for the cache even though > there was no cache to be found. Some people logged DNF's, just to add > to the illusion of legitamacy. The same thing could apply here. > > -- Sprocket > > >Considering that the cache hunt was on April Fool's Day, I was thinking that it may be just a big joke on us. but if so, why would they bother logging one of mine as a DNF. > > > ... > > >Jake - Team A.I. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 4 10:33:48 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 03:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C419F5.A3F5E6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The cache that Brian and Scott mentioned - for those who arent aware - is= : "West of the Pecos" (GC37F8). The cache started out as a hoax being p= layed on "Wyle E." Larry had made six trips to the site looking for a no= nexistent cache. If you read the logs from Feb 6th through the 12th, 200= 2, you will see how this played out. The cache was finally made legit, a= nd "The Real Thing" was added to the cache name. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D15739f3f-de72-43= c5-973f-bd948f6cbbee&log=3Dy&decrypt=3D =20 Rand =20 (RandMan) =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 7:15 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That Yeah, the Wyle E one was great. I remember hearing the story about it at one of Regan's event caches, and was just rolling in the aisles. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: "Scott Sparks" To: Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That I recall another hoax that was perpetrated some time ago in which a non-e= xistent cache was posted near the home of the venerable Wyle E. Those wh= o were 'in' on the joke posted 'finds' for the cache even though there wa= s no cache to be found. Some people logged DNF's, just to add to the ill= usion of legitamacy. The same thing could apply here. -- Sprocket Considering that the cache hunt was on April Fool's Day, I was thinking t= hat it may be just a big joke on us. but if so, why would they bother lo= gging one of mine as a DNF. Jake - Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C419F5.A3F5E6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The cache that= Brian and Scott mentioned - for those who arent aware - i= s: "West of the Pecos" (GC37F8). = ; The cache started out as a hoax being played on "Wyle E." = ; Larry had made six trips to the site looking for a nonexistent&nbs= p;cache. If you read the logs from Feb 6th through the 12= th, 2002, you will see how this played out. The cache was finally m= ade legit, and "The Real Thing" was added to the cache name.<= /DIV>

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D157= 39f3f-de72-43c5-973f-bd948f6cbbee&log=3Dy&decrypt=3D

<= DIV>

Rand

(RandMan)

<= /DIV>

----- Original Message -----
=
Fr= om: Brian - Team A.I.

Sent:<= /B> Saturday, April 03, 2004 7:15 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That
<= DIV>

Yeah, the Wyle E one was great. I remember h= earing the story about it at
one of Regan's event caches, and was just= rolling in the aisles.

Brian
Team A.I.

----= - Original Message -----
From: "Scott Sparks" <scottspark= s1@mchsi.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Saturd= ay, April 03, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Do= ne That

I recall another hoax that was perpetrated some time ago i= n which a non-existent cache was posted near the home of the venerable Wy= le E. Those who were 'in' on the joke posted 'finds' for the cache = even though there was no cache to be found. Some people logged DNF'= s, just to add to the illusion of legitamacy.   The same thing = could apply here.

-- Sprocket

Considering that the cache hu= nt was on April Fool's Day, I was thinking that it may be just a big joke= on us. but if so, why would they bother logging one of mine as a D= NF.

Jake - Team A.I.
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C419F5.A3F5E6A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 5 18:31:34 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:31:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: BTDT Message-ID: <4071A606.4020700@mchsi.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010505060504070503080009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > >Regan, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?? > > > >some simple questions > > Perhaps, in your mind, they are simple. But when you type in incomplete sentences, phrases and thoughts, it makes it difficult for the reader. >>> >> >> >>>> >so Scott (Sprocket) you have changed since you posted your layout for the >>>> >time you broke a record on a record day? >>>> > >>>> >this link... >>> >>>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermail/az-geocaching/2003-April/007358. >> >> >html > > >There is information you yourself posted that contridicts what you wrote >now. > > On two instances, we >split up and hunted separately for two different (very close by) caches >but, in both cases, one person was either unable to find their >respective cache or unable to reach it so we both ended up finding the >second cache together anyway. > > > I'll offer the same response I gave to Scott of RTW. ''I think people kind of mis-read what I posted a year ago about that. What happened with the one incident, as I recall, is there were two caches very close together, like within a few hundred feet of each other. My wife and I used the one GPS that we have to get to the first cache coords and then, while I continued to search for it, she took the GPS to go look for the other one. As it turned out, she couldn't find the second one until I met back up with her and I can't remember if we ever did find both of them. As a matter of fact, I think the first one was Golden Eagle cache which turned out to be MIA. The second one was in the same park on the other side of the ball field and my wife couldn't find it until I gave up on Golden Eagle and showed up to help her search for it. I think this is a lot different than say, two people going separate ways in separate vehicles with separate GPS's. '' The other incident I mentioned a year ago (I can't believe I'm re-hashing something written a year ago!) was a similar situation. Two caches in the same park, my wife and I used the one and only GPS we have to get close to the first cache coordinates, and while she continued searching for it, I took the GPS to look for the other. In this case, my wife found the first cache while I found the second but wasn't able to reach it (due to her shorter stature) until I met back up with her. So, again, I was present at every single find and signing of a logbook. >you can have all the fun as the rest of us but not this persons respect as a >cacher.... > I respect the fact that you're entitled to your opinion. And yet, despite rumours I have heard, I've always held you in the highest regard (until now.) >Oh well > >now onto pissing off someone else again.... > You ever stop to think that you wouldn't piss so many people off if you didn't try so hard to do so? Rather than let this degrade into a pissing match in a public forum, I'll make this my last response to you in public on any subject. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. -- Sprocket --------------010505060504070503080009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Regan, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here??

some simple questions

Perhaps, in your mind, they are simple. But when you type in incomplete sentences, phrases and thoughts, it makes it difficult for the reader.

>

> >so Scott (Sprocket) you have changed since you posted your layout for the > >time you broke a record on a record day? > > > >this link...

>http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/pipermail/az-geocaching/2003-April/007358.

html

There is information you yourself posted that contridicts what you wrote now. On two instances, we split up and hunted separately for two different (very close by) caches but, in both cases, one person was either unable to find their respective cache or unable to reach it so we both ended up finding the second cache together anyway.

I'll offer the same response I gave to Scott of RTW.

''I think people kind of mis-read what I posted a year ago about that. What happened with the one incident, as I recall, is there were two caches very close together, like within a few hundred feet of each other. My wife and I used the one GPS that we have to get to the first cache coords and then, while I continued to search for it, she took the GPS to go look for the other one. As it turned out, she couldn't find the second one until I met back up with her and I can't remember if we ever did find both of them. As a matter of fact, I think the first one was Golden Eagle cache which turned out to be MIA. The second one was in the same park on the other side of the ball field and my wife couldn't find it until I gave up on Golden Eagle and showed up to help her search for it. I think this is a lot different than say, two people going separate ways in separate vehicles with separate GPS's. ''

The other incident I mentioned a year ago (I can't believe I'm re-hashing something written a year ago!) was a similar situation. Two caches in the same park, my wife and I used the one and only GPS we have to get close to the first cache coordinates, and while she continued searching for it, I took the GPS to look for the other. In this case, my wife found the first cache while I found the second but wasn't able to reach it (due to her shorter stature) until I met back up with her. So, again, I was present at every single find and signing of a logbook.

you can have all the fun as the rest of us but not this persons respect as a cacher....

I respect the fact that you're entitled to your opinion. And yet, despite rumours I have heard, I've always held you in the highest regard (until now.)

Oh well now onto pissing off someone else again....

You ever stop to think that you wouldn't piss so many people off if you didn't try so hard to do so?

Rather than let this degrade into a pissing match in a public forum, I'll make this my last response to you in public on any subject. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

-- Sprocket

--------------010505060504070503080009-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 5 22:19:37 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 15:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <20040402083517.47078.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040405221937.73689.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1915497475-1081203577=:73617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Brian, or anyone else, do you have the watch list logs still from sloof lirpa and da bomb? I never got a chance to read it past my log entries, nor could I put them on my watch list. I'd love to read the entries. --- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2 > on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure > what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+ > caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny > though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list > so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since > it's been permanently archived you can't see them > anymore. > > Brian > Team A.I. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1915497475-1081203577=:73617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Brian, or anyone else, do you have the watch list logs still from sloof lirpa and da bomb? I never got a chance to read it past my log entries, nor could I put them on my watch list. I'd love to read the entries.

--- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote:
> Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2
> on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure
> what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+
> caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny
> though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list
> so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since
> it's been permanently archived you can't see them
> anymore.
>
> Brian
> Team A.I.

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer 1898
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1915497475-1081203577=:73617-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 5 23:10:14 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: [LOG] Watchlist: The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Bigger! (Traditional Cache) In-Reply-To: <04ef01c41b62$293e24e0$a8a3fb3f@hal> Message-ID: <20040405231014.63888.qmail@web21105.mail.yahoo.com> >From a reply to a cache on my watch list (GCHNOE), it appears that an aptly named geocacaching team was unable to find one of the largest and most visible geocaches in the world. Fortunately, these geocachers are from Utah, not Arizona, which indicates that the average intelligence level of Utah geocachers is probably significantly lower thatn the average intelligence level of Arizona geocachers. Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --- noreply@geocaching.com wrote: > This is an automated message from Geocaching.com > > You are receiving this email because this listing is on your watch list. Visit the web site to > change your watchlist settings. > > The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Bigger! (Traditional Cache) at 4/3/2004 > > Log Date: 4/3/2004 > Well, I guess we're too shy and we'll have to take up knitting! Couldn't bring ourselves to > venture into someone's yard with nieghbors standing around watching...what if our coordinates or > GSP were off? Maybe we are just living up to our name...haha...2 visitors from Farmington, Utah. > > Visit this listing at the below address: > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=2d92b66a-0e01-4c65-9270-e72de832b41a > > Visit GCHN0E > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=40a98776-79a8-4b36-a94a-3ebcbbe7129b > > Profile for The Geo Idiots: > http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?guid=c116af14-9d09-488d-ab61-6e37449257b7 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 01:57:41 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:57:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! References: <20040405221937.73689.qmail@web14812.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c41b7a$8bab83d0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C41B3F.DF1A9F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have MOST of the logs from sloop lirpa, but none from Da Bomb. That = one just wasn't as funny to me, since it was already done with the first = cache. I can post the logs that I have to the listserv later tonight if = you would like. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gale=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Brian, or anyone else, do you have the watch list logs still from = sloof lirpa and da bomb? I never got a chance to read it past my log = entries, nor could I put them on my watch list. I'd love to read the = entries.=20 --- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2 > on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure > what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+ > caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny > though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list > so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since > it's been permanently archived you can't see them > anymore. >=20 > Brian > Team A.I. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C41B3F.DF1A9F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have MOST of the logs from sloop = lirpa, but none=20 from Da Bomb. That one just wasn't as funny to me, since it was = already=20 done with the first cache. I can post the logs that I have to the = listserv=20 later tonight if you would like.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gale
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 = 3:19=20 PM

Subject: Re: Re: = [Az-Geocaching] Been=20 there done that!

Brian, or anyone else, do you have the watch list logs still from = sloof=20 lirpa and da bomb? I never got a chance to read it past my log = entries,=20 nor could I put them on my watch list. I'd love to read the entries. =

---=20 "Brian - Team A.I." wrote:
> Perhaps, but = there were=20 several logged prior to. 2
> on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of = March.=20 Not sure
> what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log = 100+
>=20 caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny
> though. I'm = glad I=20 put lirpa sloof on my watch list
> so I have record of all the = finds=20 past mine. Since
> it's been permanently archived you can't = see=20 them
> anymore.
>
> Brian
> Team=20 A.I.

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang = interminable=20 changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- = so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the = Ranges=20 --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for = you.=20 Go!"

Rudyard Kipling ,   The = Explorer =20 1898

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo!=20 Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter=20 today ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C41B3F.DF1A9F50-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 01:50:16 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:50:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: [LOG] Watchlist: The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Big Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C41B3E.D62B49E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hahahaha. They're in the wrong "hobby" if they're as "shy" as they say t= hey are. Knocking on the front door would have allayed their fears. :D Maybe the "Cachemeister" needs to hang a large flashing neon sign pointin= g to the cache! ;) Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Akerman Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:13 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: [LOG] Watchlist: The Geo Idiots couldn't fin= d Mine's Bigger! (Traditional Cache) >From a reply to a cache on my watch list (GCHNOE), it appears that an apt= ly named geocacaching team was unable to find one of the largest and most= visible geocaches in the world. =20 Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --- noreply@geocaching.com wrote: This is an automated message from Geocaching.com =20 The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Bigger! (Traditional Cache) at 4/3/20= 04 =20 Log Date: 4/3/2004 Well, I guess we're too shy and we'll have to take up knitting! Couldn't= bring ourselves to venture into someone's yard with nieghbors standing a= round watching...what if our coordinates or GSP were off? Maybe we are j= ust living up to our name...haha...2 visitors from Farmington, Utah. ------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C41B3E.D62B49E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hahahaha. = ; They're in the wrong "hobby" if they're as "shy" as they say they are.&= nbsp; Knocking on the front door would have allayed their fears. :D=

Maybe the "Cachemeister" needs to hang a&nb= sp;large flashing neon sign pointing to the cache! ;)

&n= bsp;

Rand (RandMan)

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Akerman

Sent: Monday, April 05, = 2004 4:13 PM

To: listserv@az= geocaching.com

Subject: [Az-= Geocaching] Re: [LOG] Watchlist: The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Bigg= er! (Traditional Cache)

From a reply to a ca= che on my watch list (GCHNOE), it appears that an aptly named geocacac= hing team was unable to find one of the largest and most visible geocache= s in the world.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--- n= oreply@geocaching.com wrote:
This is an automated message fro= m Geocaching.com

The Geo Idiots couldn't find= Mine's Bigger! (Traditional Cache) at 4/3/2004
Log Date: 4/3/2004
Well, I guess we're too shy and we'll have to take up knitting! Couldn't bring ourselves to = venture into someone's yard with nieghbors standing around watching...wha= t if our coordinates or GSP were off? Maybe we are just living up t= o our name...haha...2 visitors from Farmington, Utah.
------=_NextPart_001_0007_01C41B3E.D62B49E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 02:09:49 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: [LOG] Watchlist: The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Big References: Message-ID: <007c01c41b7c$3d9eabc0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C41B41.9119AE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hahaha....do you think they're feeling 'inadequate'? :D Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RAND HARDIN=20 To: AZ-Geocaching=20 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: [LOG] Watchlist: The Geo Idiots = couldn't find Mine's Big Hahahaha. They're in the wrong "hobby" if they're as "shy" as they = say they are. Knocking on the front door would have allayed their = fears. :D Maybe the "Cachemeister" needs to hang a large flashing neon sign = pointing to the cache! ;) Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Akerman Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:13 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: [LOG] Watchlist: The Geo Idiots = couldn't find Mine's Bigger! (Traditional Cache) From a reply to a cache on my watch list (GCHNOE), it appears that = an aptly named geocacaching team was unable to find one of the largest = and most visible geocaches in the world. =20 Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer) --- noreply@geocaching.com wrote: This is an automated message from Geocaching.com =20 The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Bigger! (Traditional Cache) at = 4/3/2004 =20 Log Date: 4/3/2004 Well, I guess we're too shy and we'll have to take up knitting! = Couldn't bring ourselves to venture into someone's yard with nieghbors = standing around watching...what if our coordinates or GSP were off? = Maybe we are just living up to our name...haha...2 visitors from = Farmington, Utah. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C41B41.9119AE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hahaha....do you think they're feeling = 'inadequate'? =20 :D

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RAND = HARDIN
To: AZ-Geocaching

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 = 6:50=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Re: [LOG]=20 Watchlist: The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Big

Hahahaha. They're in the wrong "hobby" if they're as "shy" = as they=20 say they are. Knocking on the front door would have allayed = their=20 fears. :D

Maybe the "Cachemeister" needs to hang a large flashing neon = sign=20 pointing to the cache! ;)

Rand (RandMan)

----- Original Message=20 -----
From:=20 Ken Akerman
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 = 4:13=20 PM

To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: = [LOG]=20 Watchlist: The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Bigger! (Traditional=20 Cache)

From a reply to a cache on my watch list (GCHNOE), it = appears that=20 an aptly named geocacaching team was unable to find one of the = largest and=20 most visible geocaches in the world.

Ken (a.k.a. Highpointer)

--- noreply@geocaching.com=20 wrote:
This is an automated message from=20 Geocaching.com

The Geo Idiots couldn't = find=20 Mine's Bigger! (Traditional Cache) at=20 4/3/2004

Log Date:=20 4/3/2004
Well, I guess we're too shy and we'll = have to=20 take up knitting! Couldn't bring ourselves to venture into = someone's=20 yard with nieghbors standing around watching...what if our = coordinates or=20 GSP were off? Maybe we are just living up to our = name...haha...2=20 visitors from Farmington, = Utah.
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C41B41.9119AE20-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 02:18:49 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 19:18:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: [LOG] Watchlist: The Geo Idiots couldn't find Mine's Big Message-ID: >From: "RAND HARDIN" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: "AZ-Geocaching" >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: [LOG] Watchlist: The Geo Idiots couldn't >find Mine's Big >Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:50:16 -0700 > >Hahahaha. They're in the wrong "hobby" if they're as "shy" as they say >they are. Knocking on the front door would have allayed their fears. :D > >Maybe the "Cachemeister" needs to hang a large flashing neon sign pointing >to the cache! ;) > >Rand (RandMan) Knocking 'on' the front door? If I couldnt find that cache.. I would have been knocking 'down' the front door!!!! :) LOL Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 02:40:14 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:40:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 4 the Caching gods Message-ID: <00c501c41b80$7d6bd800$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C41B45.D0E24680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi after painfully arguing with my nearly dead mouse and MS XL I found = these caches not in the DB but after the search they are archived... GC87E3 Riparian Cache GC8B2D Tempe Sports Complex GCD1B3 TUBULAR-1 GC5D2F DBG by H2 GCED09 The Nickelodeon GCH1MT Alter Ego GCH87W Have Mercy! Been waitin' on th' bus all day! combined with those that I found and the Recovery system did it's job = should fix atleast some of the OSS glitch=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C41B45.D0E24680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi

after painfully arguing with my nearly = dead mouse=20 and MS XL I found these caches not in the DB but after the search they = are=20 archived...

GC87E3 Riparian=20 Cache

GC8B2D Tempe = Sports=20 Complex

GCD1B3 TUBULAR-1

GC5D2F DBG by = H2
GCED09 The=20 Nickelodeon
GCH1MT Alter=20 Ego
GCH87W Have=20 Mercy! Been waitin' on th' bus all=20 day!

combined with those that I found and the Recovery = system did=20 it's job should fix atleast some of the OSS glitch

------=_NextPart_000_00C2_01C41B45.D0E24680-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 03:46:23 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (David Thompsen) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:46:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <004a01c41b7a$8bab83d0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20040406034623.19798.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> --0-834663355-1081223183=:19553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I would love to see the logs for Sloof Lirpa. I wish I could see them all in context as I posted my note early before work, and then it got shut down before I could see the rest of the story. "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: I have MOST of the logs from sloop lirpa, but none from Da Bomb. That one just wasn't as funny to me, since it was already done with the first cache. I can post the logs that I have to the listserv later tonight if you would like. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Brian, or anyone else, do you have the watch list logs still from sloof lirpa and da bomb? I never got a chance to read it past my log entries, nor could I put them on my watch list. I'd love to read the entries. --- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2 > on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure > what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+ > caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny > though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list > so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since > it's been permanently archived you can't see them > anymore. > > Brian > Team A.I. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-834663355-1081223183=:19553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I would love to see the logs for Sloof Lirpa.   I wish I could see them all in context as I posted my note early before work, and then it got shut down before I could see the rest of the story.

"Brian - Team A.I." <teamai@cox.net> wrote:

I have MOST of the logs from sloop lirpa, but none from Da Bomb. That one just wasn't as funny to me, since it was already done with the first cache. I can post the logs that I have to the listserv later tonight if you would like.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gale

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!

Brian, or anyone else, do you have the watch list logs still from sloof lirpa and da bomb? I never got a chance to read it past my log entries, nor could I put them on my watch list. I'd love to read the entries.

--- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote:
> Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2
> on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure
> what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+
> caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny
> though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list
> so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since
> it's been permanently archived you can't see them
> anymore.
>
> Brian
> Team A.I.

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer 1898

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Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-834663355-1081223183=:19553-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 15:24:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:24:40 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Message-ID: <129.3e6bfadc.2da425b8@aol.com> -------------------------------1081265080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I consider your tone and the content of your recent email imperious and insulting. As with previous emails concerning the status of caches and travel bugs that really were not your concern, I do not appreciate that you feel cachers (myself and others) need your instruction and monitoring of their cache activities. I was under the assumption that the cache won as a drawing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent family obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timely manner. Rather than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it important to get it placed and necessary to place it where I could maintain it properly as a cache owner. Do not assume that urban caches are more vulnerable than those on mountain tops and therefor should not be placed. Also erroneous is the idea that a cacher that reaches a remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The joy of geocaching is that there is something for everyone - serious rock climbers, family groups with young children, handicapped cachers, or the cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour. If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed it yourself in some remote area. This should not have then been a prize cache. If you send me your address, I will return the cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 here in Tucson). I will replace the log book and maintain this as a separate cache with no ties to you and will note such in a new logbook..The cache should not be removed by anyone other than myself as the cache owner or on instructions from the administrator. Peggy Thompsen Golefts -------------------------------1081265080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I consider your tone and the content of your= recent email imperious and insulting. As with previous emails concern= ing the status of caches and travel bugs that really were not your concern,=20= I do not appreciate that you feel cachers (myself and others) nee= d your instruction and monitoring of their cache activities.

I was under the assumption that the cache wo= n as a drawing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to rec= ent family obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timel= y manner. Rather than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it im= portant to get it placed and necessary to place it where I could maintain it= properly as a cache owner.

Do not assume that urban caches are mor= e vulnerable than those on mountain tops and therefor should not be placed.&= nbsp; Also erroneous is the idea that a cacher that reaches a remote cache i= s less likely to plumder it. The joy of geocaching is that there is somethin= g for everyone - serious rock climbers, family groups with young children, h= andicapped cachers, or the cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban cache= on a lunch hour.

If you had such serious restrictions for the= "door prize" cache from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you sho= uld have placed it yourself in some remote area.    This shou= ld not have then been a prize cache.

If you send me your address, I will return t= he cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 he= re in Tucson). I will replace the log book and maintain this as a sepa= rate cache with no ties to you and will note such in a new logbook..The= cache should not be removed by anyone other than myself as the cache owner=20= or on instructions from the administrator.

Peggy Thompsen

Golefts
-------------------------------1081265080-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 16:17:44 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:17:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C41BF2.B160B19A Content-Type: text/plain Anyone know what this is about and why it was brought 'public'? Am I missing something? LazyK - Dan _____ From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of PThomp9719@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM To: ken@highpointer.com Cc: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache I consider your tone and the content of your recent email imperious and insulting. As with previous emails concerning the status of caches and travel bugs that really were not your concern, I do not appreciate that you feel cachers (myself and others) need your instruction and monitoring of their cache activities. I was under the assumption that the cache won as a drawing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent family obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timely manner. Rather than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it important to get it placed and necessary to place it where I could maintain it properly as a cache owner. Do not assume that urban caches are more vulnerable than those on mountain tops and therefor should not be placed. Also erroneous is the idea that a cacher that reaches a remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The joy of geocaching is that there is something for everyone - serious rock climbers, family groups with young children, handicapped cachers, or the cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour. If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed it yourself in some remote area. This should not have then been a prize cache. If you send me your address, I will return the cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 here in Tucson). I will replace the log book and maintain this as a separate cache with no ties to you and will note such in a new logbook..The cache should not be removed by anyone other than myself as the cache owner or on instructions from the administrator. Peggy Thompsen Golefts ------_=_NextPart_001_01C41BF2.B160B19A Content-Type: text/html
Anyone know what this is about and why it was brought 'public'? Am I missing something?

LazyK - Dan

From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of PThomp9719@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM
To: ken@highpointer.com
Cc: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache

I consider your tone and the content of your recent email imperious and insulting. As with previous emails concerning the status of caches and travel bugs that really were not your concern, I do not appreciate that you feel cachers (myself and others) need your instruction and monitoring of their cache activities.

I was under the assumption that the cache won as a drawing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent family obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timely manner. Rather than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it important to get it placed and necessary to place it where I could maintain it properly as a cache owner.

Do not assume that urban caches are more vulnerable than those on mountain tops and therefor should not be placed. Also erroneous is the idea that a cacher that reaches a remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The joy of geocaching is that there is something for everyone - serious rock climbers, family groups with young children, handicapped cachers, or the cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour.

If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed it yourself in some remote area.    This should not have then been a prize cache.

If you send me your address, I will return the cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 here in Tucson). I will replace the log book and maintain this as a separate cache with no ties to you and will note such in a new logbook..The cache should not be removed by anyone other than myself as the cache owner or on instructions from the administrator.

Peggy Thompsen

Golefts
------_=_NextPart_001_01C41BF2.B160B19A-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 16:36:02 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:36:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache References: Message-ID: <00c701c41bf5$404bbf60$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C41BBA.93C450C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apparently we are missing something, but I'm donning my firesuit = regardless, because I don't want to be burned by radiating heat from the = flames. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Koch, Dan=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Anyone know what this is about and why it was brought 'public'? Am I = missing something? LazyK - Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = PThomp9719@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM To: ken@highpointer.com Cc: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache I consider your tone and the content of your recent email imperious = and insulting. As with previous emails concerning the status of caches = and travel bugs that really were not your concern, I do not appreciate = that you feel cachers (myself and others) need your instruction and = monitoring of their cache activities. I was under the assumption that the cache won as a drawing at the = Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent family obligations, = I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timely manner. Rather = than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it important to get it = placed and necessary to place it where I could maintain it properly as a = cache owner. Do not assume that urban caches are more vulnerable than those on = mountain tops and therefor should not be placed. Also erroneous is the = idea that a cacher that reaches a remote cache is less likely to plumder = it. The joy of geocaching is that there is something for everyone - = serious rock climbers, family groups with young children, handicapped = cachers, or the cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban cache on a = lunch hour. If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache from = Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed it = yourself in some remote area. This should not have then been a prize = cache. If you send me your address, I will return the cache contents to you = and the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 here in Tucson). I = will replace the log book and maintain this as a separate cache with no = ties to you and will note such in a new logbook..The cache should not be = removed by anyone other than myself as the cache owner or on = instructions from the administrator. Peggy Thompsen Golefts ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C41BBA.93C450C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apparently we are missing something, but I'm donning = my=20 firesuit regardless, because I don't want to be burned by radiating heat = from=20 the flames.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Koch,=20 Dan

To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 = 9:17=20 AM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Missing=20 Ticket cache

Anyone = know what this=20 is about and why it was brought 'public'? Am I missing=20 something?

LazyK -=20 Dan

From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 PThomp9719@aol.com
Sent:= =20 Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM
To: ken@highpointer.com
Cc:= listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache

I consider your tone and the content = of your=20 recent email imperious and insulting. As with previous emails=20 concerning the status of caches and travel bugs that really were not = your=20 concern, I do not appreciate that you feel cachers = (myself and=20 others) need your instruction and monitoring of their cache=20 activities.

I was under the assumption that the = cache won=20 as a drawing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due = to=20 recent family obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote area = in a=20 timely manner. Rather than have it sit at my house any longer, = I felt=20 it important to get it placed and necessary to place it where I = could=20 maintain it properly as a cache owner.

Do not assume that urban caches = are more=20 vulnerable than those on mountain tops and therefor should not be=20 placed. Also erroneous is the idea that a cacher that reaches = a remote=20 cache is less likely to plumder it. The joy of geocaching is that = there is=20 something for everyone - serious rock climbers, family groups with = young=20 children, handicapped cachers, or the cacher that runs out to pick = up a new=20 urban cache on a lunch hour.

If you had such serious restrictions = for the=20 "door prize" cache from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps = you=20 should have placed it yourself in some remote = area.    This=20 should not have then been a prize cache.

If you send me your address, I will = return the=20 cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can (currently about = $5 here=20 in Tucson). I will replace the log book and maintain this as a = separate cache with no ties to you and will note such in a new=20 logbook..The cache should not be removed by anyone other than myself = as the=20 cache owner or on instructions from the administrator.

Peggy Thompsen

Golefts
------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C41BBA.93C450C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 17:07:56 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:07:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 4 the Caching gods In-Reply-To: <00c501c41b80$7d6bd800$901a0244@ph.cox.net> References: <00c501c41b80$7d6bd800$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <4072E3EC.6040303@Snaptek.com> Regan Smith wrote: > after painfully arguing with my nearly dead mouse and MS XL I found > these caches not in the DB but after the search they are archived... > GC87E3 *Riparian Cache* > GC8B2D* Tempe Sports Complex* > GCD1B3 *TUBULAR-1* > GC5D2F *DBG by H2* > GCED09 *The Nickelodeon* > GCH1MT *Alter Ego* > GCH87W *Have Mercy! Been waitin' on th' bus all day!* Hmmm, seems your info is a little dated. I show every single one of those in the system. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 17:56:24 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:56:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 4 the Caching gods References: <00c501c41b80$7d6bd800$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <4072E3EC.6040303@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <001101c41c00$79fcb9c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> yeah I know this as they were brought into the system by again your programing but I wonder if there is some connection that allows them to go OOS, as after entering the GC# into the recovery process did not only the Recovery process identify the missing cache as a instate Arizona cache, it aborted as it was a archived cache, which I am sure alerted the Archive process to fetch it as well...which I am sure is why they are in the system and all of TEF OSS caches are accounted for... I hope this clears the as the why the dated information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 4 the Caching gods > Regan Smith wrote: > > after painfully arguing with my nearly dead mouse and MS XL I found > > these caches not in the DB but after the search they are archived... > > GC87E3 *Riparian Cache* > > GC8B2D* Tempe Sports Complex* > > GCD1B3 *TUBULAR-1* > > GC5D2F *DBG by H2* > > GCED09 *The Nickelodeon* > > GCH1MT *Alter Ego* > > GCH87W *Have Mercy! Been waitin' on th' bus all day!* > > Hmmm, seems your info is a little dated. I show every single one of > those in the system. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 18:03:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:03:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache References: <00c701c41bf5$404bbf60$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <001b01c41c01$7e5289e0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C41BC6.D1C8F860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My guess is that as the Event cache in question belongs to a certain = HIGHPOINTER Who has the knack of being called the self appointed Travel = Bug Police. Read the logs about Hotels Etc....and his thoughts on = plundered caches, I suspect that this newer cacher was sent a email by = him, about the cache.... Ken why not go get MRSPEAKER he has been inactive way to long..... and to Peggy Thompsen of Golefts I applauded your email and remember not all cachers are like him... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian - Team A.I.=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Apparently we are missing something, but I'm donning my firesuit = regardless, because I don't want to be burned by radiating heat from the = flames. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Koch, Dan=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Anyone know what this is about and why it was brought 'public'? Am = I missing something? LazyK - Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = PThomp9719@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM To: ken@highpointer.com Cc: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache I consider your tone and the content of your recent email = imperious and insulting. As with previous emails concerning the status = of caches and travel bugs that really were not your concern, I do not = appreciate that you feel cachers (myself and others) need your = instruction and monitoring of their cache activities. I was under the assumption that the cache won as a drawing at the = Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent family obligations, = I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timely manner. Rather = than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it important to get it = placed and necessary to place it where I could maintain it properly as a = cache owner. Do not assume that urban caches are more vulnerable than those on = mountain tops and therefor should not be placed. Also erroneous is the = idea that a cacher that reaches a remote cache is less likely to plumder = it. The joy of geocaching is that there is something for everyone - = serious rock climbers, family groups with young children, handicapped = cachers, or the cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban cache on a = lunch hour. If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache = from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed = it yourself in some remote area. This should not have then been a = prize cache. If you send me your address, I will return the cache contents to = you and the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 here in Tucson). I = will replace the log book and maintain this as a separate cache with no = ties to you and will note such in a new logbook..The cache should not be = removed by anyone other than myself as the cache owner or on = instructions from the administrator. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C41BC6.D1C8F860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My guess is that as the Event cache in question = belongs to a=20 certain HIGHPOINTER Who has the knack of being called the self = appointed=20 Travel Bug Police. Read the logs about Hotels Etc....and his thoughts on = plundered caches, I suspect that this newer cacher was sent a email by = him,=20 about the cache....

Ken why not go get MRSPEAKER he has been = inactive way to=20 long.....

and to

Peggy Thompsen of Golefts

I applauded your email and remember not all cachers = are like=20 him...

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Brian - Team = A.I.=20

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 = 9:36=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Missing=20 Ticket cache

Apparently we are missing something, but I'm = donning my=20 firesuit regardless, because I don't want to be burned by radiating = heat from=20 the flames.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Koch,=20 Dan
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 = 9:17=20 AM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Missing=20 Ticket cache

Anyone = know what this=20 is about and why it was brought 'public'? Am I missing=20 something?

LazyK - = Dan

From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 PThomp9719@aol.com
Sent:= =20 Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM
To: ken@highpointer.com
Cc:= listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache

I consider your tone and the = content of your=20 recent email imperious and insulting. As with previous = emails=20 concerning the status of caches and travel bugs that really were = not your=20 concern, I do not appreciate that you feel cachers = (myself and=20 others) need your instruction and monitoring of their cache=20 activities.

I was under the assumption that = the cache=20 won as a drawing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to = place. Due to=20 recent family obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote = area in a=20 timely manner. Rather than have it sit at my house any = longer, I=20 felt it important to get it placed and necessary to place it where = I could=20 maintain it properly as a cache owner.

Do not assume that urban = caches are=20 more vulnerable than those on mountain tops and therefor should = not be=20 placed. Also erroneous is the idea that a cacher that = reaches a=20 remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The joy of geocaching = is that=20 there is something for everyone - serious rock climbers, family = groups=20 with young children, handicapped cachers, or the cacher that runs = out to=20 pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour.

If you had such serious = restrictions for the=20 "door prize" cache from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, = perhaps you=20 should have placed it yourself in some remote = area.    This=20 should not have then been a prize cache.

If you send me your address, I = will return=20 the cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can (currently = about $5=20 here in Tucson). I will replace the log book and maintain = this as a=20 separate cache with no ties to you and will note such in a = new=20 logbook..The cache should not be removed by anyone other than = myself as=20 the cache owner or on instructions from the = administrator.

------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C41BC6.D1C8F860-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 17:59:21 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:59:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! Message-ID: If anyone hasnt seen this yet... check out LazyK's log from GCHW4K (Quad Air Cache). Pretty durn' good! I havent done that cache yet.. but, think it would be impossible to top that log!!! Good one LazyK! http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=8389d10a-8b67-439e-b663-394f7b663b97&log=y&decrypt= Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 18:11:03 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 11:11:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 4 the Caching gods In-Reply-To: <001101c41c00$79fcb9c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> References: <00c501c41b80$7d6bd800$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <4072E3EC.6040303@Snaptek.com> <001101c41c00$79fcb9c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <4072F2B7.2000406@Snaptek.com> EvilFISH wrote: > yeah I know this as they were brought into the system by again your > programing but I wonder if there is some connection that allows them to go > OOS, as after entering the GC# into the recovery process did not only the > Recovery process identify the missing cache as a instate Arizona cache, it > aborted as it was a archived cache, which I am sure alerted the Archive > process to fetch it as well...which I am sure is why they are in the system > and all of TEF OSS caches are accounted for... I was just messin with you... I moved about 50 caches that had been archived into the archived crawl list yesterday afternoon. It was probably just after you tried recovering them. Anyway, I also got sick of having to do that little chore, so I automated it about half an hour ago. That should keep ALL the archived caches that the system knows about in the archived section and generally keep the system a LOT more up to date. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 19:25:13 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:25:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C41BD2.35E811E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmm. I had some time this morning, so I did a little research to quell = my curiosity - and for those who are also curious: The event was the "Pi= cacho Peak Hike, Geocaching and Picnic" event by "Highpointer," (GCHQC7) = which was held March 14th. There was a drawing at the event for an ammo can and log book to be given= away to the winner. The ammo can was to be used as a cache - and the wi= nner was allowed to place the cache as directed in the rules, or intent s= et forth by Highpointer in the cache description. Guests at the event al= so donated items for the cache. It appears that in the description, the = intent (or rules) state: "The winner can place this geocache in any good = non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a rem= ote area without any nearby existing cache." The winner of the ammo can and contents was "golefts." This team or indi= vidual ended up placing the cache on April 4th. The cache name is "Missi= ng Ticket" (GCJ3JH). Golefts ended up placing the cache in an urban sett= ing instead of a non-urban setting. The attached letter that "golefts" sent to Highpointer (and made public t= o the "listserv") is attached below and explains why the cache wasn't pla= ced as intended. Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:41 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Apparently we are missing something, but I'm donning my firesuit regardle= ss, because I don't want to be burned by radiating heat from the flames. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: Koch, Dan =20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' =20 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Anyone know what this is about and why it was brought 'public'? Am I mis= sing something? LazyK - Dan From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching= -admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of PThomp9719@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM To: ken@highpointer.com Cc: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache I consider your tone and the content of your recent email imperious and i= nsulting. As with previous emails concerning the status of caches and tr= avel bugs that really were not your concern, I do not appreciate that you= feel cachers (myself and others) need your instruction and monitoring o= f their cache activities. I was under the assumption that the cache won as a drawing at the Picacho= Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent family obligations, I was u= nable to place it in a remote area in a timely manner. Rather than have = it sit at my house any longer, I felt it important to get it placed and n= ecessary to place it where I could maintain it properly as a cache owner. Do not assume that urban caches are more vulnerable than those on mountai= n tops and therefor should not be placed. Also erroneous is the idea tha= t a cacher that reaches a remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The = joy of geocaching is that there is something for everyone - serious rock = climbers, family groups with young children, handicapped cachers, or the = cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour. If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache from Pica= cho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed it yoursel= f in some remote area. This should not have then been a prize cache. If you send me your address, I will return the cache contents to you and = the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 here in Tucson). I will rep= lace the log book and maintain this as a separate cache with no ties to y= ou and will note such in a new logbook..The cache should not be removed b= y anyone other than myself as the cache owner or on instructions from the= administrator. Peggy Thompsen Golefts ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C41BD2.35E811E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmmm. I had some time this morning,= so I did a little research to quell my curiosity - and for those who are= also curious: The event was the "Picacho Peak Hike, Geocac= hing and Picnic" event by "Highpointer," = (GCHQC7) which was held March 14th.

=
There was a drawing at the event for an ammo can and log book to be= given away to the winner. The ammo can was to be used as a cache -= and the winner was allowed to place the cache as directed in the ru= les, or intent set forth by Highpointer in the cache description.&nb= sp; Guests at the event also donated items for the cache. It appear= s that in the description, the intent (or rules) state: "The winner can p= lace this geocache in any good non-urban location, at least= 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby = existing cache."

The winner of the ammo can = and contents was "golefts." This team or individual ended up placin= g the cache on April 4th. The cache name is "Missing Ticket= " (GCJ3JH). Golefts ended up placing the cache in an u= rban setting instead of a non-urban setting.

&nb= sp;

The attached letter that "golefts" sent to Highpointer (an= d made public to the "listserv") is attached below and explains why the c= ache wasn't placed as intended.

Rand
<= DIV>(RandMan)

----- Origi= nal Message -----

From: Brian - Team A.I.
=
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:4= 1 AM

To: listserv@azgeocachi= ng.com

Subject: Re: [Az-Geoc= aching] Missing Ticket cache

Apparently we are missing something, but I'm donning my firesuit= regardless, because I don't want to be burned by radiating heat from the= flames.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message = -----

From: Koch, Dan<= STRONG>

To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'

= Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:17 AM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache
=

Anyone know what this is about and why it was brought 'pu= blic'? Am I missing something?

LazyK - Dan

From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azg= eocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] = On Behalf Of PThomp9719@aol.= com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM
To: ken@highpointer.com
Cc:= listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache

=

= I consider your tone and the content of your r= ecent email imperious and insulting. As with previous emails concer= ning the status of caches and travel bugs that really were not your conce= rn, I do not appreciate that you feel cachers (myself and othe= rs) need your instruction and monitoring of their cache activities.

I was under the assumption that the cache won as a dra= wing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent fam= ily obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timely ma= nner. Rather than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it imp= ortant to get it placed and necessary to place it where I could maintain = it properly as a cache owner.

Do not assume = that urban caches are more vulnerable than those on mountain tops and the= refor should not be placed. Also erroneous is the idea that a cache= r that reaches a remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The joy of ge= ocaching is that there is something for everyone - serious rock climbers,= family groups with young children, handicapped cachers, or the cacher th= at runs out to pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour.

If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache = from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed i= t yourself in some remote area.    This should not have th= en been a prize cache.

If you send me your addres= s, I will return the cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can (= currently about $5 here in Tucson). I will replace the log book and= maintain this as a separate cache with no ties to you and will note such= in a new logbook..The cache should not be removed by anyone other t= han myself as the cache owner or on instructions from the administrator.<= /FONT>

&nb= sp;

Peggy Thompsen
Golefts
------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C41BD2.35E811E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 21:25:35 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 14:25:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! Message-ID: Thanks, Scott, for the 'props'! Just doing my part to bring back the art of the log... LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RopingThe Wind Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:59 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! If anyone hasnt seen this yet... check out LazyK's log from GCHW4K (Quad Air Cache). Pretty durn' good! I havent done that cache yet.. but, think it would be impossible to top that log!!! Good one LazyK! http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=8389d10a-8b67-439e-b6 63-394f7b663b97&log=y&decrypt= Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 6 23:27:08 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 19:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That Message-ID: <0CBDC6DC.760EBD96.0013DAD2@aol.com> In a message dated 4/3/2004 12:31:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, arizcowboy@hotmail.com writes: > > > In my personal opinion, a team that splits up is NEVER fine. Not for a > record breaking day, not for any day. Mary and I have done caches apart from each other. We both consider the caches as finds for our team. We try and only cache together but sometimes we find ourselves in the right position to find one alone. We try to include each other by calling on the cell phone. We don't believe in "splitting up" to find caches, there would be no point for us. We geocache because it is something we can do together, that is fun. Cameron (Budcam & Mary) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 00:30:12 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:30:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 4 the Caching gods References: <00c501c41b80$7d6bd800$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <4072E3EC.6040303@Snaptek.com> <001101c41c00$79fcb9c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <4072F2B7.2000406@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <001a01c41c37$7d6a1620$901a0244@ph.cox.net> would that be like when one cacher has the cache in hand while the other is still looking? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 4 the Caching gods > EvilFISH wrote: > > yeah I know this as they were brought into the system by again your > > programing but I wonder if there is some connection that allows them to go > > OOS, as after entering the GC# into the recovery process did not only the > > Recovery process identify the missing cache as a instate Arizona cache, it > > aborted as it was a archived cache, which I am sure alerted the Archive > > process to fetch it as well...which I am sure is why they are in the system > > and all of TEF OSS caches are accounted for... > > I was just messin with you... I moved about 50 caches that had been > archived into the archived crawl list yesterday afternoon. It was > probably just after you tried recovering them. > Anyway, I also got sick of having to do that little chore, so I > automated it about half an hour ago. That should keep ALL the archived > caches that the system knows about in the archived section and generally > keep the system a LOT more up to date. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 00:31:16 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:31:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! References: Message-ID: <002401c41c37$a3637600$901a0244@ph.cox.net> art and log DAN what is this that you speak of? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! > Thanks, Scott, for the 'props'! Just doing my part to bring back the art of > the log... > > LazyK - Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > RopingThe Wind > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:59 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! > > If anyone hasnt seen this yet... check out LazyK's log from GCHW4K (Quad Air > > Cache). Pretty durn' good! I havent done that cache yet.. but, think it > would be impossible to top that log!!! Good one LazyK! > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=8389d10a-8b67-439e-b6 > 63-394f7b663b97&log=y&decrypt= > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 00:34:54 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:34:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache References: Message-ID: <003c01c41c38$257530c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C41BFD.78ED25E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0039_01C41BFD.78ED25E0" ------=_NextPart_001_0039_01C41BFD.78ED25E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable April 6 by The Cow Spots (351 found) TNLNSL from this well concealed cache, with a dash of azgeocaching.com = controversy. LOL the Italics and bold added by me :) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RAND HARDIN=20 To: AZ-Geocaching=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Hmmm. I had some time this morning, so I did a little research to = quell my curiosity - and for those who are also curious: The event was = the "Picacho Peak Hike, Geocaching and Picnic" event by "Highpointer," = (GCHQC7) which was held March 14th. There was a drawing at the event for an ammo can and log book to be = given away to the winner. The ammo can was to be used as a cache - and = the winner was allowed to place the cache as directed in the rules, or = intent set forth by Highpointer in the cache description. Guests at the = event also donated items for the cache. It appears that in the = description, the intent (or rules) state: "The winner can place this = geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a = paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing cache." The winner of the ammo can and contents was "golefts." This team or = individual ended up placing the cache on April 4th. The cache name is = "Missing Ticket" (GCJ3JH). Golefts ended up placing the cache in an = urban setting instead of a non-urban setting. The attached letter that "golefts" sent to Highpointer (and made = public to the "listserv") is attached below and explains why the cache = wasn't placed as intended. Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:41 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Apparently we are missing something, but I'm donning my firesuit = regardless, because I don't want to be burned by radiating heat from the = flames. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Koch, Dan=20 To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:17 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache Anyone know what this is about and why it was brought 'public'? = Am I missing something? LazyK - Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of = PThomp9719@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM To: ken@highpointer.com Cc: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache I consider your tone and the content of your recent email = imperious and insulting. As with previous emails concerning the status = of caches and travel bugs that really were not your concern, I do not = appreciate that you feel cachers (myself and others) need your = instruction and monitoring of their cache activities. I was under the assumption that the cache won as a drawing at = the Picacho Peak event was mine to place. Due to recent family = obligations, I was unable to place it in a remote area in a timely = manner. Rather than have it sit at my house any longer, I felt it = important to get it placed and necessary to place it where I could = maintain it properly as a cache owner. Do not assume that urban caches are more vulnerable than those = on mountain tops and therefor should not be placed. Also erroneous is = the idea that a cacher that reaches a remote cache is less likely to = plumder it. The joy of geocaching is that there is something for = everyone - serious rock climbers, family groups with young children, = handicapped cachers, or the cacher that runs out to pick up a new urban = cache on a lunch hour. If you had such serious restrictions for the "door prize" cache = from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, perhaps you should have placed = it yourself in some remote area. This should not have then been a = prize cache. If you send me your address, I will return the cache contents to = you and the cost of the ammo can (currently about $5 here in Tucson). I = will replace the log book and maintain this as a separate cache with no = ties to you and will note such in a new logbook..The cache should not be = removed by anyone other than myself as the cache owner or on = instructions from the administrator. Peggy Thompsen Golefts ------=_NextPart_001_0039_01C41BFD.78ED25E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Apr= il 6 by=20 The=20 Cow Spots (351 found)
TNLNSL from this well concealed cache, with a dash of=20 azgeocaching.com controversy. LOL

the Italics and bold added by me :)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RAND = HARDIN
To: AZ-Geocaching

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 = 12:25=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Missing=20 Ticket cache

Hmmm. I had some time this morning, so I did a little = research to=20 quell my curiosity - and for those who are also curious: The = event was=20 the "Picacho Peak Hike, Geocaching and Picnic"=20 = event by "Highpointer," (GCHQC7) whi= ch=20 was held March 14th.

There was a drawing at the event for an ammo can and log book to = be given=20 away to the winner. The ammo can was to be used as a cache = - and=20 the winner was allowed to place the cache as directed in the rules, or = intent set forth by Highpointer in the cache description. = Guests at=20 the event also donated items for the cache. It appears that in = the=20 description, the intent (or rules) state: "The winner can place this = geocache=20 in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away = from a=20 paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing = cache."

The winner of the ammo can and contents was "golefts." This = team or=20 individual ended up placing the cache on April 4th. The cache = name is=20 "Missing Ticket" (GCJ3JH). Golefts ended up = placing the=20 cache in an urban setting instead of a non-urban=20 setting.

The attached letter that "golefts" sent to Highpointer (and made = public=20 to the "listserv") is attached below and explains why the cache wasn't = placed=20 as intended.

Rand

(RandMan)

----- Original Message=20 -----
From:=20 Brian - Team A.I.
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 = 9:41=20 AM

To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Missing=20 Ticket cache

Apparently we are missing something, but = I'm=20 donning my firesuit regardless, because I don't want to be burned by = radiating heat from the flames.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message = -----=20
From:=20 Koch, = Dan=20
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'=20

Sent: Tuesday, April 06, = 2004 9:17=20 AM

Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] Missing=20 Ticket cache

Anyone know what=20 this is about and why it was brought 'public'? Am I = missing=20 something?

LazyK = -=20 Dan

From: az-geocachi= ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 PThomp9719@aol.com
Sent:= =20 Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:25 AM
To: ken@highpointer.com
Cc:= listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Missing Ticket cache

I consider your tone and the = content of=20 your recent email imperious and insulting. As with = previous emails=20 concerning the status of caches and travel bugs that really were = not=20 your concern, I do not appreciate that you = feel cachers =20 (myself and others) need your instruction and monitoring of = their cache=20 activities.

I was under the assumption that = the cache=20 won as a drawing at the Picacho Peak event was mine to = place. Due=20 to recent family obligations, I was unable to place it in a = remote area=20 in a timely manner. Rather than have it sit at my house = any=20 longer, I felt it important to get it placed and necessary to = place it=20 where I could maintain it properly as a cache = owner.

Do not assume that urban = caches are=20 more vulnerable than those on mountain tops and therefor should = not be=20 placed. Also erroneous is the idea that a cacher that = reaches a=20 remote cache is less likely to plumder it. The joy of geocaching = is that=20 there is something for everyone - serious rock climbers, family = groups=20 with young children, handicapped cachers, or the cacher that = runs out to=20 pick up a new urban cache on a lunch hour.

If you had such serious = restrictions for=20 the "door prize" cache from Picacho Peak and felt you owned it, = perhaps=20 you should have placed it yourself in some remote=20 area.    This should not have then been a prize=20 cache.

If you send me your address, I = will return=20 the cache contents to you and the cost of the ammo can = (currently about=20 $5 here in Tucson). I will replace the log book and = maintain this=20 as a separate cache with no ties to you and will note such = in a new=20 logbook..The cache should not be removed by anyone other than = myself as=20 the cache owner or on instructions from the = administrator.

Peggy Thompsen

Golefts
------=_NextPart_001_0039_01C41BFD.78ED25E0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C41BFD.78ED25E0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="icon_smile.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Location: http://www.geocaching.com/images/icon_smile.gif R0lGODlhDwAPALMAAP//////AP/4AP/xAP/lAP/YAP/KACEQAAAAAMDAwAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAACH5BAEAAAkALAAAAAAPAA8AQARWMEmJap2UjICC38NRGEiCbFyXjiVlFHBskNgZoMFIm7jn DwSW6UU4aYrBVs2ixJg6GwKpqfLdgsJqylMJTq3WAZCFIEJvYhGtXCAUDwcEbEcpz2YXSQQAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C41BFD.78ED25E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 13:10:52 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 06:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! In-Reply-To: <004a01c41b7a$8bab83d0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20040407131052.75051.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1490464668-1081343452=:74312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thank you Brian, I would appreciate it very much "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: I have MOST of the logs from sloop lirpa, but none from Da Bomb. That one just wasn't as funny to me, since it was already done with the first cache. I can post the logs that I have to the listserv later tonight if you would like. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that! Brian, or anyone else, do you have the watch list logs still from sloof lirpa and da bomb? I never got a chance to read it past my log entries, nor could I put them on my watch list. I'd love to read the entries. --- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote: > Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2 > on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure > what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+ > caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny > though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list > so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since > it's been permanently archived you can't see them > anymore. > > Brian > Team A.I. Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1490464668-1081343452=:74312 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Thank you Brian, I would appreciate it very much

"Brian - Team A.I." <teamai@cox.net> wrote:

I have MOST of the logs from sloop lirpa, but none from Da Bomb. That one just wasn't as funny to me, since it was already done with the first cache. I can post the logs that I have to the listserv later tonight if you would like.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gale

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:19 PM

Subject: Re: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Been there done that!

Brian, or anyone else, do you have the watch list logs still from sloof lirpa and da bomb? I never got a chance to read it past my log entries, nor could I put them on my watch list. I'd love to read the entries.

--- "Brian - Team A.I." wrote:
> Perhaps, but there were several logged prior to. 2
> on the 31st and 3 on the 13th of March. Not sure
> what to make of it. Kind of a waste to log 100+
> caches for a joke. The Florida caches were funny
> though. I'm glad I put lirpa sloof on my watch list
> so I have record of all the finds past mine. Since
> it's been permanently archived you can't see them
> anymore.
>
> Brian
> Team A.I.

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer 1898

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer 1898
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1490464668-1081343452=:74312-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 17:55:21 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:55:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! Message-ID: (Sarcasm noted but since you asked...) Think about why the 'Sloof Lirpa' and 'Da Bomb' were caches so popular....because people wanted to read the logs! There was a time when the online logs were actually interesting to read. I, and probably many others, used to read the 'Recently Logged Visits' page on geocaching.com or the 'AZ Cache Activity' page on azgeocaching.com to read about others caching adventurers. Or maybe it was just me... :) But, as time went on, and as more cachers and caches got involved, the logs, like the caches themselves, 'devolved' (thanks Tierra Buena...love that phrase!) into nothing more than "Quick easy find. TN/LN/SL.". Don't get me wrong, there are cachers that aren't 'minimalist loggers'. In particular, RopingTheWind used to write what I called novellas and he took a lot of grief about it. But, his logs were quite extensive and were very enjoyable to read. As a more recent example, look at Sprockets 'chain logs' where he tells a story that encompasses the entire day, even about being accosted by the Mexican Policia! :) Look up a cacher in SoCal by the name of 'Yrium' if you really want to read some entertaining logs. Here's his log for a mundane urban cache: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=4ce54865-1dc2-48ca-9b12-bb3562f 936ca Now, I will agree that some caches are hard to find anything interesting about, and I myself have had many caches where all I could do was a short log for my finds, especially when it's a 20 cache day. Heck, I usually don't even get around to posting my logs for a couple of days and by then some details have already faded. But when I can, I try to do some write up to so there's more than one sentence. Cache owners get notified whenever someone posts a log to one of their caches and for the most part, this is the only feedback the owners get. I know I enjoy reading the adventurers that people have when looking for my caches, found or not. Also, I'm sure that most cachers have caches on their 'watchlist'. Why does anyone put a cache on their 'Watchlist'? To read the logs. Either they have found it and use the watchlist notifications to be reminded of it, or they want to find it someday and use the notifications to keep tabs on the status of the cache or to read about the (mis)adventures of those that have found it. Another reason I try to write more than a sentence or two is that if I go back and read my logs, I can easily remember the cache, where it was hidden, what was going on around us and any adventurers we had getting there. If I go back and read one of my logs and I can't remember the cache, I know I didn't write a good log. The log that Scott pointed out was a bit extravagant, but it made the cache memorable for me, the cache owner and the cacher I was with both enjoyed it (see the cache page) and obviously other cachers did as well. I'm sure TeamAI and RtW could write some very interesting logs about a convertible during a recent caching trip along the Beeline(?)... :) whew... LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 5:31 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! art and log DAN what is this that you speak of? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! > Thanks, Scott, for the 'props'! Just doing my part to bring back the art of > the log... > > LazyK - Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > RopingThe Wind > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:59 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! > > If anyone hasnt seen this yet... check out LazyK's log from GCHW4K (Quad Air > > Cache). Pretty durn' good! I havent done that cache yet.. but, think it > would be impossible to top that log!!! Good one LazyK! > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=8389d10a-8b67-439e-b6 > 63-394f7b663b97&log=y&decrypt= > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 18:28:26 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brent Milner) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:28:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006601c41cce$1f4ff130$c2706540@unicon.net> Well said, Dan. I enjoy the creative logs as well. I have always tried to take pictures at or near the cache and involve those in the caching story. I hope other cachers will bring digital cams along with them to supplement their logs. -HumNummaHumma -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 10:55 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! (Sarcasm noted but since you asked...) Think about why the 'Sloof Lirpa' and 'Da Bomb' were caches so popular....because people wanted to read the logs! There was a time when the online logs were actually interesting to read. I, and probably many others, used to read the 'Recently Logged Visits' page on geocaching.com or the 'AZ Cache Activity' page on azgeocaching.com to read about others caching adventurers. Or maybe it was just me... :) But, as time went on, and as more cachers and caches got involved, the logs, like the caches themselves, 'devolved' (thanks Tierra Buena...love that phrase!) into nothing more than "Quick easy find. TN/LN/SL.". Don't get me wrong, there are cachers that aren't 'minimalist loggers'. In particular, RopingTheWind used to write what I called novellas and he took a lot of grief about it. But, his logs were quite extensive and were very enjoyable to read. As a more recent example, look at Sprockets 'chain logs' where he tells a story that encompasses the entire day, even about being accosted by the Mexican Policia! :) Look up a cacher in SoCal by the name of 'Yrium' if you really want to read some entertaining logs. Here's his log for a mundane urban cache: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=4ce54865-1dc2-48ca-9b12-bb3 562f 936ca Now, I will agree that some caches are hard to find anything interesting about, and I myself have had many caches where all I could do was a short log for my finds, especially when it's a 20 cache day. Heck, I usually don't even get around to posting my logs for a couple of days and by then some details have already faded. But when I can, I try to do some write up to so there's more than one sentence. Cache owners get notified whenever someone posts a log to one of their caches and for the most part, this is the only feedback the owners get. I know I enjoy reading the adventurers that people have when looking for my caches, found or not. Also, I'm sure that most cachers have caches on their 'watchlist'. Why does anyone put a cache on their 'Watchlist'? To read the logs. Either they have found it and use the watchlist notifications to be reminded of it, or they want to find it someday and use the notifications to keep tabs on the status of the cache or to read about the (mis)adventures of those that have found it. Another reason I try to write more than a sentence or two is that if I go back and read my logs, I can easily remember the cache, where it was hidden, what was going on around us and any adventurers we had getting there. If I go back and read one of my logs and I can't remember the cache, I know I didn't write a good log. The log that Scott pointed out was a bit extravagant, but it made the cache memorable for me, the cache owner and the cacher I was with both enjoyed it (see the cache page) and obviously other cachers did as well. I'm sure TeamAI and RtW could write some very interesting logs about a convertible during a recent caching trip along the Beeline(?)... :) whew... LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 5:31 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! art and log DAN what is this that you speak of? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! > Thanks, Scott, for the 'props'! Just doing my part to bring back the art of > the log... > > LazyK - Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > RopingThe Wind > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:59 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! > > If anyone hasnt seen this yet... check out LazyK's log from GCHW4K (Quad Air > > Cache). Pretty durn' good! I havent done that cache yet.. but, think it > would be impossible to top that log!!! Good one LazyK! > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=8389d10a-8b67-439 e-b6 > 63-394f7b663b97&log=y&decrypt= > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 20:34:39 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:34:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C41CA5.13C3D800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, I agree with what you wrote. You couldn't have stated it any better. I tried your link - but something's missing. Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Koch, Dan Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:23 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! (Sarcasm noted but since you asked...) Think about why the 'Sloof Lirpa' and 'Da Bomb' were caches so popular....because people wanted to read the logs! There was a time when the online logs were actually interesting to read. = I, and probably many others, used to read the 'Recently Logged Visits' page = on geocaching.com or the 'AZ Cache Activity' page on azgeocaching.com to rea= d about others caching adventurers. Or maybe it was just me... :) =20 But, as time went on, and as more cachers and caches got involved, the lo= gs, like the caches themselves, 'devolved' (thanks Tierra Buena...love that phrase!) into nothing more than "Quick easy find. TN/LN/SL.". =20 Don't get me wrong, there are cachers that aren't 'minimalist loggers'. = In particular, RopingTheWind used to write what I called novellas and he too= k a lot of grief about it. But, his logs were quite extensive and were very enjoyable to read. As a more recent example, look at Sprockets 'chain lo= gs' where he tells a story that encompasses the entire day, even about being accosted by the Mexican Policia! :) Look up a cacher in SoCal by the nam= e of 'Yrium' if you really want to read some entertaining logs. Here's his log for a mundane urban cache: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D4ce54865-1dc2-48ca-9b12-bb= 3562f 936ca Now, I will agree that some caches are hard to find anything interesting about, and I myself have had many caches where all I could do was a short log for my finds, especially when it's a 20 cache day. Heck, I usually don't even get around to posting my logs for a couple of days and by then some details have already faded. But when I can, I try to do some write = up to so there's more than one sentence. Cache owners get notified whenever someone posts a log to one of their caches and for the most part, this is the only feedback the owners get. I know I enjoy reading the adventurers that people have when looking for my caches, found or not. =20 Also, I'm sure that most cachers have caches on their 'watchlist'. Why do= es anyone put a cache on their 'Watchlist'? To read the logs. Either they have found it and use the watchlist notifications to be reminded of it, o= r they want to find it someday and use the notifications to keep tabs on th= e status of the cache or to read about the (mis)adventures of those that ha= ve found it. Another reason I try to write more than a sentence or two is that if I go back and read my logs, I can easily remember the cache, where it was hidd= en, what was going on around us and any adventurers we had getting there. If= I go back and read one of my logs and I can't remember the cache, I know I didn't write a good log. The log that Scott pointed out was a bit extravagant, but it made the cache memorable for me, the cache owner and = the cacher I was with both enjoyed it (see the cache page) and obviously othe= r cachers did as well. I'm sure TeamAI and RtW could write some very interesting logs about a convertible during a recent caching trip along the Beeline(?)... :) whew... LazyK - Dan ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C41CA5.13C3D800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dan,

I agree with what you wrote. You couldn't have = stated it any better.

I tried your link -&nb= sp;but something's missing.

Rand

=

----- Original Message -----
From: Ko= ch, Dan

Sent: Wednesday, Apr= il 07, 2004 11:23 AM

To: 'li= stserv@azgeocaching.com'

Subject= : RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!!

(Sarcasm note= d but since you asked...)

Think about why the 'Sloof Lirpa' and 'D= a Bomb' were caches so
popular....because people wanted to read the lo= gs!

There was a time when the online logs were actually interestin= g to read. I,
and probably many others, used to read the 'Recent= ly Logged Visits' page on
geocaching.com or the 'AZ Cache Activity' pa= ge on azgeocaching.com to read
about others caching adventurers. = Or maybe it was just me... :)

But, as time went on, and as= more cachers and caches got involved, the logs,
like the caches thems= elves, 'devolved' (thanks Tierra Buena...love that
phrase!) into nothi= ng more than "Quick easy find. TN/LN/SL.".

Don't get me wro= ng, there are cachers that aren't 'minimalist loggers'. In
parti= cular, RopingTheWind used to write what I called novellas and he took alot of grief about it. But, his logs were quite extensive and wer= e very
enjoyable to read. As a more recent example, look at Spro= ckets 'chain logs'
where he tells a story that encompasses the entire = day, even about being
accosted by the Mexican Policia! :) Look u= p a cacher in SoCal by the name
of 'Yrium' if you really want to read = some entertaining logs. Here's his
log for a mundane urban cache= :
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D4ce54865-1dc2-48ca-9b= 12-bb3562f
936ca

Now, I will agree that some caches are hard to= find anything interesting
about, and I myself have had many caches wh= ere all I could do was a short
log for my finds, especially when it's = a 20 cache day. Heck, I usually
don't even get around to posting= my logs for a couple of days and by then
some details have already fa= ded. But when I can, I try to do some write up
to so there's mor= e than one sentence. Cache owners get notified whenever
someone = posts a log to one of their caches and for the most part, this is
the = only feedback the owners get. I know I enjoy reading the adventurer= s
that people have when looking for my caches, found or not.

A= lso, I'm sure that most cachers have caches on their 'watchlist'. Why doe= s
anyone put a cache on their 'Watchlist'? To read the logs.&nbs= p; Either they
have found it and use the watchlist notifications to be= reminded of it, or
they want to find it someday and use the notificat= ions to keep tabs on the
status of the cache or to read about the (mis= )adventures of those that have
found it.

Another reason I try t= o write more than a sentence or two is that if I go
back and read my l= ogs, I can easily remember the cache, where it was hidden,
what was go= ing on around us and any adventurers we had getting there. If I
= go back and read one of my logs and I can't remember the cache, I know I<= BR>didn't write a good log. The log that Scott pointed out was a bi= t
extravagant, but it made the cache memorable for me, the cache owner= and the
cacher I was with both enjoyed it (see the cache page) and ob= viously other
cachers did as well.

I'm sure TeamAI and RtW coul= d write some very interesting logs about a
convertible during a recent= caching trip along the Beeline(?)... :)

whew...
LazyK - Dan
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C41CA5.13C3D800-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 20:48:43 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:48:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C41CA7.0AC1B680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I see what the problem with the link is. Try this: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D4ce54865-1dc2-48ca-9b12-bb= 3562f936ca =20 Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Koch, Dan Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:23 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! (Sarcasm noted but since you asked...) Think about why the 'Sloof Lirpa' and 'Da Bomb' were caches so popular....because people wanted to read the logs! There was a time when the online logs were actually interesting to read. = I, and probably many others, used to read the 'Recently Logged Visits' page = on geocaching.com or the 'AZ Cache Activity' page on azgeocaching.com to rea= d about others caching adventurers. Or maybe it was just me... :) =20 But, as time went on, and as more cachers and caches got involved, the lo= gs, like the caches themselves, 'devolved' (thanks Tierra Buena...love that phrase!) into nothing more than "Quick easy find. TN/LN/SL.". =20 Don't get me wrong, there are cachers that aren't 'minimalist loggers'. = In particular, RopingTheWind used to write what I called novellas and he too= k a lot of grief about it. But, his logs were quite extensive and were very enjoyable to read. As a more recent example, look at Sprockets 'chain lo= gs' where he tells a story that encompasses the entire day, even about being accosted by the Mexican Policia! :) Look up a cacher in SoCal by the nam= e of 'Yrium' if you really want to read some entertaining logs. Here's his log for a mundane urban cache: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D4ce54865-1dc2-48ca-9b12-bb= 3562f 936ca Now, I will agree that some caches are hard to find anything interesting about, and I myself have had many caches where all I could do was a short log for my finds, especially when it's a 20 cache day. Heck, I usually don't even get around to posting my logs for a couple of days and by then some details have already faded. But when I can, I try to do some write = up to so there's more than one sentence. Cache owners get notified whenever someone posts a log to one of their caches and for the most part, this is the only feedback the owners get. I know I enjoy reading the adventurers that people have when looking for my caches, found or not. =20 Also, I'm sure that most cachers have caches on their 'watchlist'. Why do= es anyone put a cache on their 'Watchlist'? To read the logs. Either they have found it and use the watchlist notifications to be reminded of it, o= r they want to find it someday and use the notifications to keep tabs on th= e status of the cache or to read about the (mis)adventures of those that ha= ve found it. Another reason I try to write more than a sentence or two is that if I go back and read my logs, I can easily remember the cache, where it was hidd= en, what was going on around us and any adventurers we had getting there. If= I go back and read one of my logs and I can't remember the cache, I know I didn't write a good log. The log that Scott pointed out was a bit extravagant, but it made the cache memorable for me, the cache owner and = the cacher I was with both enjoyed it (see the cache page) and obviously othe= r cachers did as well. I'm sure TeamAI and RtW could write some very interesting logs about a convertible during a recent caching trip along the Beeline(?)... :) whew... LazyK - Dan -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EvilF= ISH Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 5:31 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! art and log DAN what is this that you speak of? ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! > Thanks, Scott, for the 'props'! Just doing my part to bring back the a= rt of > the log... > > LazyK - Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > RopingThe Wind > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:59 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! > > If anyone hasnt seen this yet... check out LazyK's log from GCHW4K (Qua= d Air > > Cache). Pretty durn' good! I havent done that cache yet.. but, think it > would be impossible to top that log!!! Good one LazyK! > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D8389d10a-8b67-43= 9e-b6 > 63-394f7b663b97&log=3Dy&decrypt=3D > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C41CA7.0AC1B680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think I = ;see what the problem with the link is. Try this:

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http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.= aspx?LUID=3D4ce54865-1dc2-48ca-9b12-bb3562f936ca

Rand

----- Original Mes= sage -----

From: Koch, Dan

<= B>Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:23 AM

To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!!

(Sarcasm noted but since you asked...)

Think about wh= y the 'Sloof Lirpa' and 'Da Bomb' were caches so
popular....because pe= ople wanted to read the logs!

There was a time when the online log= s were actually interesting to read. I,
and probably many others= , used to read the 'Recently Logged Visits' page on
geocaching.com or = the 'AZ Cache Activity' page on azgeocaching.com to read
about others = caching adventurers. Or maybe it was just me... :)

Bu= t, as time went on, and as more cachers and caches got involved, the logs= ,
like the caches themselves, 'devolved' (thanks Tierra Buena...love t= hat
phrase!) into nothing more than "Quick easy find. TN/LN/SL.". = ;

Don't get me wrong, there are cachers that aren't 'minimalist l= oggers'. In
particular, RopingTheWind used to write what I calle= d novellas and he took a
lot of grief about it. But, his logs we= re quite extensive and were very
enjoyable to read. As a more re= cent example, look at Sprockets 'chain logs'
where he tells a story th= at encompasses the entire day, even about being
accosted by the Mexica= n Policia! :) Look up a cacher in SoCal by the name
of 'Yrium' i= f you really want to read some entertaining logs. Here's his
log= for a mundane urban cache:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LU= ID=3D4ce54865-1dc2-48ca-9b12-bb3562f
936ca

Now, I will agree th= at some caches are hard to find anything interesting
about, and I myse= lf have had many caches where all I could do was a short
log for my fi= nds, especially when it's a 20 cache day. Heck, I usually
don't = even get around to posting my logs for a couple of days and by then
so= me details have already faded. But when I can, I try to do some wri= te up
to so there's more than one sentence. Cache owners get not= ified whenever
someone posts a log to one of their caches and for the = most part, this is
the only feedback the owners get. I know I en= joy reading the adventurers
that people have when looking for my cache= s, found or not.

Also, I'm sure that most cachers have caches on = their 'watchlist'. Why does
anyone put a cache on their 'Watchlist'?&n= bsp; To read the logs. Either they
have found it and use the wat= chlist notifications to be reminded of it, or
they want to find it som= eday and use the notifications to keep tabs on the
status of the cache= or to read about the (mis)adventures of those that have
found it.
=
Another reason I try to write more than a sentence or two is that if = I go
back and read my logs, I can easily remember the cache, where it = was hidden,
what was going on around us and any adventurers we had get= ting there. If I
go back and read one of my logs and I can't rem= ember the cache, I know I
didn't write a good log. The log that = Scott pointed out was a bit
extravagant, but it made the cache memorab= le for me, the cache owner and the
cacher I was with both enjoyed it (= see the cache page) and obviously other
cachers did as well.

I'= m sure TeamAI and RtW could write some very interesting logs about a
c= onvertible during a recent caching trip along the Beeline(?)... :)
whew...
LazyK - Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: az= -geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admi= n@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EvilFISH
Sent: Tuesday, Apri= l 06, 2004 5:31 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-G= eocaching] HAHAHA!!!!

art and log DAN what is this that you = speak of?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Koch, Dan" <Dan.K= och@Eclipsys.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Tu= esday, April 06, 2004 2:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!!<= BR>

> Thanks, Scott, for the 'props'! Just doing my part = to bring back the art
of
> the log...
>
> LazyK - Da= n
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geo= caching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
> [mailto:az-geocaching-adm= in@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
> RopingThe Wind
>= Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:59 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching= com
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!!
>
> If anyon= e hasnt seen this yet... check out LazyK's log from GCHW4K (Quad
Air>
> Cache). Pretty durn' good! I havent done that cache yet.. = but, think it
> would be impossible to top that log!!! Good one Laz= yK!
>
>
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?= guid=3D8389d10a-8b67-439e-b6
> 63-394f7b663b97&log=3Dy&decr= ypt=3D
>
> Scott
> Team Ropingthewind
>
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<= /BLOCKQUOTE> ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C41CA7.0AC1B680-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 21:26:53 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:26:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! Message-ID: >From: "Koch, Dan" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" >Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! >Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:55:21 -0700 >I'm sure TeamAI and RtW could write some very interesting logs about a >convertible during a recent caching trip along the Beeline(?)... :) That we could! I know for me.. it is still fresh in my mind! HAHAHA! :) :) :) LOLOLOLOL Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 7 22:27:26 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:27:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] PDA internet access to geocaching.com Message-ID: Howdy, I am using a Palm M130 PDA and I have a data cable connecting it to my cell phone. With this, I can access internet almost anywhere I have a cell phone signal (I pay nothing for this service as it is provided with my Verizon Wireless service). I am fairly limited to what browsers/programs I can use on my M130 as it is a slightly older PDA. However, so far I havent come across any browsers I havent been able to use on this particular PDA. There seems to be 4 or 5 players in the PDA browser market.... Xiino and Pocketlink are two that I have tried. These both allow you to view internet as you would see it on your home desktop (sort of... it wraps text to fit your PDA screen). These both show images (GIF and JPEG) and normal HTML. But, dont support javascript or offer limited support for javascript. I currently have Xiino installed. Pocketlink kept freezing up my PDA. I finally gave up on it. I have been using Xiino for quite a while and havent had any serious issues with it. It does support some javascript. The other browser that I use is Eudora internet suite. This browser does not show images and takes text only from web sites. I like this browser best as it loads pages very quickly (since it only loads text) and most of what I look for on internet sites on my PDA is for text only anyways... like checking emails on the road or searching for information about caches while out caching. For these instances... I dont really need to see any images (the screen is too small to make viewing images useless anyways; I do have a color screen though). I also use it to check weather when I am out ballooning. I can look at the latest terminal forecasts (aviation wx) and such. Lately I have had an issue though: Geocaching.com displays rather nicely on each of these browsers. I can click on anything and go anywhere on the site with either browser. However, I cannot log my finds. I click on the cache page and then click on 'log a find'. So far so good. I then type my log in the available text space. But, when I go to send it... the button that you click on to send the log apparantly is not supported by my browsers. Either one of them. I used to be able to do this on the Eudora browser, but cannot anymore. Seems when the gc.com site underwent some changes, it no longer worked. I use Hotmail for my email and can view, type and send emails on both of these browsers as well. Lately, when Hotmail underwent a changeover... I cannot click on the 'send' button anymore either. Basically, it is not clickable as this script is apparently not supported by the browser (?). I am wondering if anyone else uses their PDA to access internet... and the geocaching.com site specifically. Does anyone else log their finds on a PDA or perhaps in the field? If so, does anyone have any problems logging the find? Having the same problem I am having? Are there any recommendations for newer Browsers that I might try? I have tried the few out there that I know of. There are a couple others, but they are compatible with Palm's latest OS only (5). So, I am a bit limited in that respect as I have Palm 0S4. I know Palm offers it's own Browser, which comes standard on all the newer Palm Tungstens (that can support this). But, again.. only usable with OS 5 and not any of the older OS versions. Unfortunately, unlike Desktop computers.. I am not aware of a way to upgrade my OS within my Palm unit. Basically, I am wondering if this is something to do with the browser itself not supporting the script some buttons use on gc.com (or hotmail too) or if it is outside the limitations of my Palm OS? This question pertains only to people that use Palm OS in their PDA's, As PocketPC (windows) is a whole different thing really. However, I would like to hear from anyone using PocketPC browsers to learn more about their experiences as well. Although, I think I am pretty much a Palm OS fan. I try and stay away from anything Microsoft! :) Thanks! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 01:18:28 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 18:18:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa finds 1/2 Message-ID: <001501c41d07$6603acf0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C41CCC.B9812050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bigredmed found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Was going to take the gerbils to sell to some guys I know that really = seem to go through their gerbils fast, but they weren't interested. They = just fondled the travel bug and gave your email address to some friends = of theirs who grow weed in that park, they want to talk to you about the = trail of geocachers disturbing the "vegetation" on the way to the cache. April Fools! Good one. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dd0e6bd5b-4a0d-46b9-a3a4-70= b2f8e07cab DavidMac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Good thing about being a pilots son is I can fly just about anywhere for = almost free. The TSA wasn't too happy about the grenades and case of box = cutters that I tried to bring with me to leave in the cache, so I had to = leave them behind in Tennessee[:(!]. Instead I left a few cents pocket = change and a used stick of gum, and took one of the Glocks. This was = after I pulled aside some kids that were walking down the tracks and had = them help me locate the cache. The container was already damp and the = logbook was wet, so I just left it out in the open to dry.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D1f35b5c2-d13f-47f2-9f2a-41= 55a17ddcfe canadazuuk requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Someone had to press the button. [:D] Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D10bbf05e-1a9b-482e-a076-1f= e6a64f462a bigredmed posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 When I went there, I must have caused someone to call 911 to get the = bomb squad there. When they saw the "vegetation", they thought it was = mine. I tried to convince them that I was just geocaching. They = arrested me anyway. I am typing this log with a pencil held in my = teeth. Help! Send Bail Money! ;) Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dbc85f531-2495-457e-93cc-94= ccd72a2e66 Nurse Dave found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Pst. It's still there! You guys need to clean all this up before you = go to bed. [:P] I took the Hummer keys and left some gold bullion. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D920ed3d0-88a4-47df-9628-57= fe46c3997d Cache & Keri posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 HEY...SylvrStorm that was me you shot at!! Just wanted you to know that = after I completed the micro, I found your toe and fed it to a gator in a = nearby pond! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D9cb8d26a-e2cd-4ac1-ac12-51= 9e0bcaf78e Strohem found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I was headed south of Deland today to pick up an airplane from my cousin = to take to my brother for the opening of his new restaurant north of = Tampa. After landing at PIE, I just couldn't resist. I rented a car = and headed out to find the cache. It took a little longer then I = thought but only because there were a few distractions along the way. = Apparently I ran over a gerbil...ugh! Then I picked up a hitch-hiker = (which my mother has always told me NOT to do) but she was really HOT! = After dropping her off at Bubba's Shrimp Shack I was able to find the = cache pretty easily. Duh! Did you take a good look around at that = mess?!?! I felt so bad about the gerbil I ran over that I decided the = cache would make a good burial ground for him. Sorry! I also left a = pair of fingernail clippers with a nail file on it. Are those things = out-lawed now? Happy Caching! Strohem Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Df69b7f34-e3d2-4cc6-a330-b5= 97953010e0 hazzmatt found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Was abe to reach GZ with my Argonne Tandem Linac Accelerator System. Almost over shot cache site, due to my space to Earth ratio was off by = 12%.(Note to self: change bong h2o) neverless made entry with the 12 million volt electrostatic Tandem Van = Graaff injector accelerator. "You know it's still fun at my age to see those GeV electrons smashing = into the 3.1 GeV positrons!" Took- only the understanding not to do anymore evil,to cultivate good,to = purify one's mind Sign log book that was shot. Powerd up again,made smooth return home on the zephyrs of the warm west = winds. Peace to all / Dr.HazZMatT /professor emeritus Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D5bfd400a-3018-49f8-b910-80= 11410e8191 Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 You know, it is our vacation and what better way to spend it than down = here at this great cache! We reached the destination without any problems, but you know how those = park people are with their regulations. Sheesh. So we gave them some = lame excuse about looking for our nephew's keys and they let us go and = dig up the terrain with our shovels. After a couple of hours, we found = the cache. I know our Garmin is correct, but your coordinates are like = 200 feet off. Or is that because of everyone else who just had to rehide = it in a better place than they found it. Well we decided to rehide it in = the patch of poison ivy we saw about 50 feet away, much better = camoflage. Good luck to the next cachers who look for it.=20 Being pharmacists, we had to snag those multicolored pills to sell on = the internet for some real cash, after all gas aint cheap any more. = Thanks for such a great trade item.[:D] We left the trash we found in = our rent-a-car, and a collection of match books from our motel room.=20 Thanks for a great cache. Too bad the area is so ugly and torn up by all = the people dealing with the train wreck or whatever that mess is. You'd = think park rangers would have more respect for their land.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D78115025-289a-40f2-8cc9-c8= a26397dea5 Corp Of Discovery requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Czuuk, yes someone DID press the button already, ME. But MY post got = deleted. Is this what geocaching has come to? Can't we do better than = this? See more in my thread 'S***w you all...'. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D7584d669-fb53-4b48-979a-fd= 534e22e277 cybergal found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 The kids are out on spring break, so we took a little mini vacation to = come see what all the fuss was about. I left the kids back at the = hotel, as this one seems particularly non-kid-friendly. It took some doing to find the cache in all that poison ivy, but we had = on special protective clothing. We took the nail clippers with the file = to put in our carry-on luggage and mess with TSA on the way back home. = We left some Cholla cactus pieces that were clinging to our pack from = our last geocache outing back home in Arizona. Thanks for the interesting vacation find! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8a03f0c7-a4b3-4ad7-a75a-c4= 5b572fdb71 nwscout1 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I was going to go after the TB's but then read the cache desctiption and = logs. I'm allergic to gerbils, poison ivy gives me a nasty rash, train = exhaust makes me sneeze, and chemical residue causes me to break out. = And since I don't own a weapon, I can't sign the log book.=20 Ya know, since I've been to Florida once and I live in the same country, = I know I could find it so I'm logging this as a find. [:D] =20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dc6e86a53-4e2e-45cc-bbd5-93= 79f28e6fb1 GOT GPS? found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Took the Toilet TB somebody left, and put in a nuclear fire craker. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D82e6e5c1-deb9-477b-a5f3-2f= 01d22e5fbf You are receiving this email because this listing is on your watch list. = Visit the web site to change your watchlist settings. Pushmataha found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 YFQ/AY/AG !rupnp lnQ fybbS yvecN tavgfrergav an gnuJ Note: This log has been Rot13 encrypted. You can unencrypt it on the log = page. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3De986e680-1f2b-4fd7-a65a-99= 6662b78efc SwampKing found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I pulled up near the cache vicinity only to find several yellow suited = gentleman scanning the area with geiger counters!! I moved close to = what appeared to be the "command" table and produced my NECT card = (nuclear emergency cache team). I inquired as to the situation, as if = it weren't abundately clear.....someone had traded a shielded sample of = Uranium238 for several gerbils!!! It's a good thing they decided to = take the gerbils, otherwise it wouldn't have been pretty inside of the = ammo can after a few minutes dosage. At any rate, I donned rad gear and = personal dosimetry in order to grab the uranium sample, sign the log, = and left some shielding material for the next cacher. I am taking the = Uranium back to Los Alomos National Laboratory in New Mexico where I can = hopefully knock out some caches unless I receive above my yearly dose of = gamma radiation. We'll see how my trek progresses.TFTF Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D42fab7f3-2e55-401e-8887-70= 51886033d4 stringcachers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Being from the desert of Arizona and not used to this swampland, I came = a little underprepared. I should have brought some more pest spray. As I = approached the NPS gate to the park, I realized that I had left my = Golden Pass at home, so I had to spend an additional $50 bucks for a new = one (It was about to expire anyways). The rangers in the gate station = looked really funny at what I had in the back of my rental pickup. But, = hey, this is swampland, right? You need a little protection. I = proceeded to the railtracks, ready to cache in, and trash out. But, I = realized that the one trash bag I brought just wouldn't be enough to = pickup all the wreckage lying about. Time for some superfund cleanup = funds to be put to work.=20 I am sure glad I brought the protection I did, because those gerbils = were on a rampage. What that funny gas did to them, I will be having = nightmares for some time to come. But, the worst was that guy walking = about on the tracks, next to a crater, mumbling. I think he needs a = doctor, and not just for his open wounds. With gasmask on, and full body suit, I kinda fit in with the various = "official looking" folks wandering about. They were saying things like = "bomb squad", "gun control", "nuke eh all". I slipped by, and using my = trusty Garmin, was able to zero in on the new coords in the poison ivy = rather quickly. You know, however, that the second spot on the multi = needs some redoing. The rain was washing the blood away, and I could = hardly read the coords. I took the rattlesnake skin (the fangs were torn off - poor thing), and = left my signature item - a string of fireworks.=20 Thanks for the fun cache. Now, only some 2500 miles from home, can I = just go straight nw from here? Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D7fa6110d-38a3-4439-9849-23= 182aadaed0 Dudeface found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I parachuted in from the international space station, thus bypassing all = security, and avoiding the scrutiny of any nearby muggles. In a full = environmental suit, I was on a mission to rescue the gerbils. It didn't take long, no one was expecting my attack from above. Into the = geobag they went, along with some sunflower seeds to keep them happy. In = their place I left mobious strip and a klein jar. I signed the log. Already looking the part, I whistled a happy tune and strolled out. Great cache. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8e44e11c-e5c2-4bfd-8630-af= 897ae92696 ShowStop found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I tried chartering a flight, but couldn't get past the security = checkpoint with my geocaching gear. Not to worry, I called up my friend = Michael Knight who drove over in KITT. We loaded up and hit the road. = Michael activated 'Super Pursuit Mode' and we were zipping across the = country at 325mph. Finally as we neared the cache site, we found the = enormous crater as mentioned in the previous logs. KITT automatically = activated 'Turbo Boost' and we jumped over the crater. I reached out and = signed the log boot as we jumped over. Took us for a ride and left you = all in the dust. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D5ea46fe3-6a81-41ea-8f69-88= b8c94d6443 Captain Chaoss found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Phew !!! Man, does it stink around this cache !! [xx(] This site = definitely needs put on the CITO event roster. But, the trading is choice ! I can't believe how much better stocked = these southern caches are. Unfortunately, I wasn't prepared for the = trade up scene here, so signed log and left booklet " Financial = Independence in 30 days or less - Meth Making Made Easy." By Titusville = PA printshop. Thanks for the cache. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db156dc01-e3d5-4042-9d37-83= 27b8176603 ventura_kids found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 The bomb squad was just arriving as we left. Not much chance of this one = hanging around for years and years. Although it has accurate = coordinates, we still had difficulty getting thru the crowds of = onlookers to sign the logbook. Thanks. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Def63d569-0124-4125-9dfb-ea= cb914807f8 ventura_kids posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 just dropping off a travel bug. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Ddaa22693-7bb4-4278-b524-93= ab22930aec Bravesfan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Sledgehampster called me as soon as he got back. I jumped into my jet = powered Peterbilt and hauled that beer from Texarkana. Yeah watch the = Bandit run!! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D110a18da-2e51-4ac5-8ce0-98= daa4289c39 StressMaster found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 What a great find. for a numbers ho.. had to run my butt off to stay = ahead of the bomb squad but we got in and SL just before they did the = sniff test on it.. was ever glad that we took the snacks to help with = the fat burn of the run... great day running to and from home... almost = tripped over all the trash. CITO required.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dce793eae-62cd-4bef-9a3c-af= 19bc9994fa suemac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 This cache is a big joke. Don't do it, I'm going to report the cache = owner to Geocaching.com and ask that they be banned from the web site. = What a rip! I got up early this morning and sat down with my Wheaties at the PC to = catch up on the nefga.com forums. What's this new message on the forum? = CacheFlorida.com is back in service? Whoa, I can find this new cache and = see the grand old site in all its glory? Where do I sign up?=20 Don't get me wrong - I'm not a cache addict, I can stop at any time. I = can. Really, I can. I could stop tomorrow if I wanted to ... I just = don't want to. I will admit, though: I miss CacheFlorida - especially = the stats. Just when I was about to close in on Clan_Barron and 2LuknF8 = (you know they've been faking logs - there's no way they can stay ahead = of this caching machine without faking logs - it's not fair, there = should be a law or something!) the site went away. Whoa, baby, major = withdrawal! Now I have to sit up late at night figuring out how many = points I have and whether I've moved up in the standings BY HAND.=20 So when I see this cache come active, you know I'm going. I figured = maybe they had a laptop with a wireless connection or something rigged = so cacher could check the CF site again - I mean, what a great idea for = a cache! So I threw the kids in the trunk and we headed for Deltona at = once - school? we don't need no stinkin' school today! We gotta get to = CacheFlorida!=20 The area of the cache was easy to find - there was wreckage everywhere, = yellow tape, huge craters in the ground, red lights everywhere. A SWAT = team was holding a couple of huge gerbils at bay with anti-tank missles. = No sweat, I've done harder caches than this. Slunk past the cops, around = the crater, down in the ditch by the tracks - ah, is that the dull gleam = of an ammo can? Eureka! I grab that puppy and pop it open - what? No = CacheFlorida? Only a lousy TB and a blood-stained log. I wanted to throw = it to the ground and smash it to bits - what a waste of time - but my = cache training held and I stabbed my name onto the log and rehid the = cache.=20 You wait, though, Mr CacheMonkeez. No more hiding Evil Micros for = height-challenged cachers for you - your days of devious and deceitful = cache hiding are over! Wait until THE JEREMY gets you - you will rue = this hide!=20 TNLNSL. Thanks! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D97d96675-5893-4581-9e38-0c= 8bf97f1032 Amtraker found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Flew out here as fast as I could (see photo) but couldn't get the FTF. = In fact the log book is almost full! T: Bubble Gum L: Plastic Explosives Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Df184dc1f-e36b-4a77-960a-80= 9bd4f3a2b5 MJinFL found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/2/2004 Log Date: 4/2/2004 Found this cache tomorrow(Check the date. I'm that good). The map made = it look like it was near my house, so I put the coordinates in the ol' = GPSr and stepped out the front door to get a good signal. The cache was = behind me somewhere...Hmm. Searched for 2 hours before I found it under = my couch(no signal in the house, you see). I never knew that national = park OR railroad track was there. I bought the house in September and = thought it was just noisy pipes! Sorry about the gerbils. I thought they = were rats and called Terminix[:o]. And I wanna know which one of you took my beer!!! Carleenp is currently = the primary suspect... And I sure hope that whoever took those equine meds made sure they = grabbed the documentation...[xx(] Took nothing, left everything(it's my house, after all), and it turns = out most of you were signing the notepad I keep by the phone... Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D932de9db-4430-4aa8-bc02-bb= d696c07cd0 Captain Chaoss posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 OK, I hate to complain , and I really hate to have to add to the image = of a "sue-happy America", but I have an issue here. I log the cache, I = leave a booklet even though I thought I took nothing, and hop in my Jeep = to head home. Not more than 2 miles down the road, I get accosted by a glowing gerbil. = This thing was FEROCIOUS ! Not only am I now covered with tiny claw = marks, that insane thing tried touching my un-mentionables. Thank = goodness the top was down on the Jeep. I siezed the grouuchy little = vermin by the nape of his/her (?) neck, which is no easy feat mind you, = and sailed him out the back. You think that stops him ? NO ! Like the = liquid metal Terminator that Guv' Arnold had to beat down, this crazy = thing starts chasing me up the road. Thank goodness for the mods on the = engine, and the increased ground clearance provided by Superlift and = some Firestone 32's. Well, I stopped off for a drink to relax my nerves, once the evil spawn = of rodent-dom gave up trying to jump into the tailpipe ( of the Jeep ) = at 85 miles an hour. Low and behold, there was the infamous CarleenP at = the bar. She too seems to be suffering some ill-effects from searching = out this cache. Well, after some sound legal advice, *** I AM taking = legal action against the railroad for not putting up warning signs about = the local "wildlife" they have. *** SIDENOTE: SOUND LEGAL ADVICE quoted verbatim - mrph beer shetl in park brds acidic listenrghd meds jink found rotghy = gerbil meds grth mro nessyd beer. im dat it pub. send hlp! Thanks Carleen ! P.S. CarleenP also is in a very impressionable state currently. I = convinced her I am more deserving of El Diablo's hiking staff than her = mother. [}:)] Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D548800c2-1603-44b9-bdbd-9b= b9dde1a328 Team Dakiba found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Purple Jeep, Purple Jeep! We had no problem finding this, the tracks led = right to the cache! TNLN, ran like heck.... Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dee7ffdc3-f21f-4893-a277-b3= 5a73ee888d TheWidget found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Yup it's still there, just follow the geo-tracks and you'll find it. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db9cf7970-3f4d-4f37-8657-90= 34bdf021ba Pain and Panic found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Well, we have been busted before, but not by a huge crowd! Impossible to = be discreet so we just decided to sign the log as fast as possible and = then get back on a plane to the West Coast. Great cache, thanks. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db96bfa8f-610e-43e3-aedf-24= 4b3437946a Doombot! found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 So we headed for this cache after work today, and the stangest this = happend by the tracks. A train came by and it had evil eyes and teeth = and a Pokemon riding on top of it. It was a "Doom-train" Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dfdbcdef5-b0f5-4c09-81d1-60= b2862c1fd1 Ackidge found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 phew a 5/5. the toughest I've ever done, but with TheWidget's help I = managed! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dcdf22ac0-33dd-4b2b-b313-28= 21656dd1e1 Team Evil Fish found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Thanks for the cache as I was in doubt if I and the rest of TEF were to = continue caching but after getting this we'll continue doing so. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D2687e1fc-e0a3-48c3-ae0f-bf= 471c60cb55 CondoMax found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I found it, but you'll be hearing from my lawyer. Whose idea was it to = put the live and irritable pygmy rattlesnake in the ammo box? It bit me = on the rekcep. Thanks A LOT for the cache!!! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D41824b39-6441-4708-a669-12= 857ab755e9 King Boreas found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Took the bubble gum, left a Fifth of Jack. T F T C Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dea63fdca-7fa3-4084-9976-89= bb4def7f7b Team Sprocket found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I was in the neighborhood and just happened to have a pick and shovel = with me so, in between dodging the trains, I dug up the cache, took all = of the contents and replaced them with exact replicas. I buried the = cache a little deeper than I found it. =20 -- Team Sprocket Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D95229273-bfed-4ecb-bb3c-fa= 6cee358bb2 Crow T Robot posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 This cache will self-destruct in 1 hour. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Da1260002-89c1-407e-825c-29= 0e5fcc6f42 moochie found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 started early this morning...boy, i've done some tough caches in my life = but this takes the cake...no wonder overrover didn't attempt this = one...finally took this one off the to-do list Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D27a4abe6-c9e3-4e19-b947-70= 626e57a388 Yorky Lovers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Afte finishing Da Domb, I spray painted the Moon Suit with a camopaint = job and slipped into the park at dusk. eTrex was all over the map but I = probed the entire length of the tracks and found it in about 5 mins. = Took the expired gerbil, at least I think it was a gerbil, it was pretty = dark. Left the Moon suit and a flame thrower (almost empty). The cache = is pretty full. Thanks for the hide Cachemonkees.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D4f90249e-aa06-4911-8525-ca= f3fbedf8c9 Cachefan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Man, this cache is popular!! First time I had to stand in line to log a = cache! Flew in from California this morning on my Concorde Jet (got a = great deal on eBay) and followed the geotrail to the cache. Pretty easy = to find now even with all the camo techniques being used. Very clever = by the way. Never seen body parts, rattlesnakes and gerbils used quite = like that. TFTC! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8b362cf9-c850-4d9f-995d-c1= 76b603f2d2 Moag Ohana found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 sorry I took so long I didnt have the cash to fly so I jumped on my = skateboard and kicked it all the way from Diamond Bar Ca. Boy I am I = tired!!! Found it easily with all the visits today. TNLNDNSL Mahalo and Aloha Moag Ohana Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D994d20d1-8fd5-48f0-ab07-3e= 993ff3ef72 Crow T Robot permanently archived Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Well, that was fun. Who gets the prize for the best log? And what do = you have planned for July 4th? Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D3342f945-b447-4edf-96dd-c3= 580f53b17b haraup found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 My GPS got me to the right spot (a long fast trip from Michigan) ... but = there was no bridge there, and no apparent cache ... just a lot of messy = debris and a yellow tape marked "Police Line-Do Not Cross", so I didn't. = Lots of frantic official-types running around. Since I didn't locate the = cache, I took nothing and left nothing (oh, yes, there was that little = bit of... oh, never mind). But I'm going to claim the cache anyway = since I DID get to the right spot. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Def1e6f65-5122-4170-a732-62= 621bc33d55 Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C41CCC.B9812050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

bigredmed found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Was going to take the gerbils to = sell to=20 some guys I know that really seem to go through their gerbils fast, but = they=20 weren't interested. They just fondled the travel bug and gave your email = address=20 to some friends of theirs who grow weed in that park, they want to talk = to you=20 about the trail of geocachers disturbing the "vegetation" on the way to = the=20 cache.

April Fools!

Good one.

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DavidMac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Good thing about being a pilots son is I can fly just = about=20 anywhere for almost free. The TSA wasn't too happy about the grenades = and case=20 of box cutters that I tried to bring with me to leave in the cache, so I = had to=20 leave them behind in Tennessee[:(!]. Instead I left a few cents pocket = change=20 and a used stick of gum, and took one of the Glocks. This was after I = pulled=20 aside some kids that were walking down the tracks and had them help me = locate=20 the cache. The container was already damp and the logbook was wet, so I = just=20 left it out in the open to dry.

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canadazuuk requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived=20 at 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Someone had to press the = button.=20 [:D]

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bigredmed posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
When I went there, I must have = caused=20 someone to call 911 to get the bomb squad there. When they saw the = "vegetation", they thought it was mine. I tried to convince them = that I=20 was just geocaching. They arrested me anyway. I am typing = this log=20 with a pencil held in my teeth. Help! Send Bail=20 Money!

;)

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Nurse Dave found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Pst. It's still there! = You=20 guys need to clean all this up before you go to bed. [:P]

I = took=20 the Hummer keys and left some gold bullion.

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Cache & Keri posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
HEY...SylvrStorm that was me you = shot=20 at!! Just wanted you to know that after I completed the micro, I = found=20 your toe and fed it to a gator in a nearby pond!

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Strohem found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I was headed south of Deland today to pick up an = airplane from=20 my cousin to take to my brother for the opening of his new restaurant = north of=20 Tampa. After landing at PIE, I just couldn't resist. I = rented a car=20 and headed out to find the cache. It took a little longer then I = thought=20 but only because there were a few distractions along the way. = Apparently I=20 ran over a gerbil...ugh! Then I picked up a hitch-hiker (which my = mother=20 has always told me NOT to do) but she was really HOT! After = dropping her=20 off at Bubba's Shrimp Shack I was able to find the cache pretty easily.=20 Duh! Did you take a good look around at that mess?!?! I felt = so bad=20 about the gerbil I ran over that I decided the cache would make a good = burial=20 ground for him. Sorry! I also left a pair of fingernail = clippers=20 with a nail file on it. Are those things out-lawed = now?

Happy=20 Caching!   Strohem

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hazzmatt found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Was abe to reach GZ with my Argonne Tandem Linac = Accelerator=20 System.
Almost over shot cache site, due to my space to Earth ratio = was off=20 by 12%.(Note to self: change bong h2o)
neverless made entry = with the 12=20 million volt electrostatic Tandem Van Graaff injector = accelerator.
"You know=20 it's still fun at my age to see those GeV electrons smashing into the = 3.1 GeV=20 positrons!"
Took- only the understanding not to do anymore evil,to = cultivate=20 good,to purify one's mind
Sign log book that was shot.
Powerd up=20 again,made smooth return home on the zephyrs of the warm west = winds.
Peace to=20 all / Dr.HazZMatT /professor emeritus

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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
You know, it is our vacation and = what=20 better way to spend it than down here at this great cache!

We = reached the=20 destination without any problems, but you know how those park people are = with=20 their regulations. Sheesh. So we gave them some lame excuse about = looking for=20 our nephew's keys and they let us go and dig up the terrain with our = shovels.=20 After a couple of hours, we found the cache. I know our Garmin is = correct, but=20 your coordinates are like 200 feet off. Or is that because of everyone = else who=20 just had to rehide it in a better place than they found it. Well we = decided to=20 rehide it in the patch of poison ivy we saw about 50 feet away, much = better=20 camoflage. Good luck to the next cachers who look for it.

Being=20 pharmacists, we had to snag those multicolored pills to sell on the = internet for=20 some real cash, after all gas aint cheap any more. Thanks for such a = great trade=20 item.[:D] We left the trash we found in our rent-a-car, and a collection = of=20 match books from our motel room.

Thanks for a great cache. Too = bad the=20 area is so ugly and torn up by all the people dealing with the train = wreck or=20 whatever that mess is. You'd think park rangers would have more respect = for=20 their land.

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Corp Of Discovery requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) to=20 be archived at 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Czuuk, yes someone = DID=20 press the button already, ME. But MY post got deleted. Is this what = geocaching=20 has come to? Can't we do better than this? See more in my thread 'S***w = you=20 all...'.

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cybergal found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
The kids are out on spring break, so we took a little = mini=20 vacation to come see what all the fuss was about. I left the kids = back at=20 the hotel, as this one seems particularly non-kid-friendly.

It = took some=20 doing to find the cache in all that poison ivy, but we had on special = protective=20 clothing. We took the nail clippers with the file to put in our = carry-on=20 luggage and mess with TSA on the way back home. We left some = Cholla cactus=20 pieces that were clinging to our pack from our last geocache outing back = home in=20 Arizona.

Thanks for the interesting vacation find!

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nwscout1 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I was going to go after the TB's but then read the = cache=20 desctiption and logs. I'm allergic to gerbils, poison ivy gives me = a nasty=20 rash, train exhaust makes me sneeze, and chemical residue causes me to = break=20 out. And since I don't own a weapon, I can't sign the log book. =

Ya know,=20 since I've been to Florida once and I live in the same country, I know I = could=20 find it so I'm logging this as a find. [:D]

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GOT GPS? found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Took the Toilet TB somebody left, and put in a nuclear = fire=20 craker.

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Pushmataha = found=20 Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004

Log Date:=20 4/1/2004
YFQ/AY/AG !rupnp lnQ fybbS yvecN tavgfrergav an = gnuJ

Note:=20 This log has been Rot13 encrypted. You can unencrypt it on the log=20 page.

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SwampKing found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I pulled up near the cache = vicinity only=20 to find several yellow suited gentleman scanning the area with geiger=20 counters!! I moved close to what appeared to be the "command" = table and=20 produced my NECT card (nuclear emergency cache team). I inquired = as to the=20 situation, as if it weren't abundately clear.....someone had traded a = shielded=20 sample of Uranium238 for several gerbils!!! It's a good thing they = decided=20 to take the gerbils, otherwise it wouldn't have been pretty inside of = the ammo=20 can after a few minutes dosage. At any rate, I donned rad gear and = personal dosimetry in order to grab the uranium sample, sign the log, = and left=20 some shielding material for the next cacher. I am taking the = Uranium back=20 to Los Alomos National Laboratory in New Mexico where I can hopefully = knock out=20 some caches unless I receive above my yearly dose of gamma = radiation. =20 We'll see how my trek progresses.TFTF

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stringcachers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Being from the desert of Arizona = and not=20 used to this swampland, I came a little underprepared. I should have = brought=20 some more pest spray. As I approached the NPS gate to the park, I = realized that=20 I had left my Golden Pass at home, so I had to spend an additional $50 = bucks for=20 a new one (It was about to expire anyways). The rangers in the gate = station=20 looked really funny at what I had in the back of my rental pickup. But, = hey,=20 this is swampland, right? You need a little protection.   I = proceeded=20 to the railtracks, ready to cache in, and trash out. But, I realized = that the=20 one trash bag I brought just wouldn't be enough to pickup all the = wreckage lying=20 about. Time for some superfund cleanup funds to be put to work.
I am = sure=20 glad I brought the protection I did, because those gerbils were on a = rampage.=20 What that funny gas did to them, I will be having nightmares for some = time to=20 come. But, the worst was that guy walking about on the tracks, = next to a=20 crater, mumbling. I think he needs a doctor, and not just for his open=20 wounds.
With gasmask on, and full body suit, I kinda fit in with the = various=20 "official looking" folks wandering about. They were saying things like = "bomb=20 squad", "gun control", "nuke eh all". I slipped by, and using my trusty = Garmin,=20 was able to zero in on the new coords in the poison ivy rather quickly. = You=20 know, however, that the second spot on the multi needs some redoing. The = rain=20 was washing the blood away, and I could hardly read the coords.
I = took the=20 rattlesnake skin (the fangs were torn off - poor thing), and left my = signature=20 item - a string of fireworks.
Thanks for the fun cache. Now, only = some 2500=20 miles from home, can I just go straight nw from here?

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Dudeface found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I parachuted in from the international space station, = thus=20 bypassing all security, and avoiding the scrutiny of any nearby muggles. = In a=20 full environmental suit, I was on a mission to rescue the = gerbils.

It=20 didn't take long, no one was expecting my attack from above. Into the = geobag=20 they went, along with some sunflower seeds to keep them happy. In their = place I=20 left mobious strip and a klein jar. I signed the log.

Already = looking the=20 part, I whistled a happy tune and strolled out.

Great=20 cache.

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ShowStop found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I tried chartering a flight, but couldn't get past the = security checkpoint with my geocaching gear. Not to worry, I called up = my friend=20 Michael Knight who drove over in KITT. We loaded up and hit the road. = Michael=20 activated 'Super Pursuit Mode' and we were zipping across the country at = 325mph.=20 Finally as we neared the cache site, we found the enormous crater as = mentioned=20 in the previous logs. KITT automatically activated 'Turbo Boost' and we = jumped=20 over the crater. I reached out and signed the log boot as we jumped = over. Took=20 us for a ride and left you all in the dust.

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Captain Chaoss found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Phew !!! Man, does it stink around = this=20 cache !! [xx(] This site definitely needs put on the CITO = event=20 roster.

But, the trading is choice ! I can't believe how much = better=20 stocked these southern caches are. Unfortunately, I wasn't prepared for = the=20 trade up scene here, so signed log and left booklet " Financial = Independence in=20 30 days or less - Meth Making Made Easy." By Titusville PA=20 printshop.

Thanks for the cache.

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ventura_kids found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
The bomb squad was just arriving = as we=20 left. Not much chance of this one hanging around for years and years. = Although=20 it has accurate coordinates, we still had difficulty getting thru the = crowds of=20 onlookers to sign the logbook. Thanks.

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ventura_kids posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
just dropping off a travel=20 bug.

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Bravesfan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Sledgehampster called me as soon = as he got=20 back. I jumped into my jet powered Peterbilt and hauled that beer from=20 Texarkana. Yeah watch the Bandit run!!

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StressMaster found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
What a great find. for a numbers = ho.. had=20 to run my butt off to stay ahead of the bomb squad but we got in and SL = just=20 before they did the sniff test on it.. was ever glad that we = took=20 the snacks to help with the fat burn of the run... great day running to = and from=20 home... almost tripped over all the trash. CITO required.

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suemac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
This cache is a big joke. Don't do it, I'm going to = report the=20 cache owner to Geocaching.com and ask that they be banned from the web = site.=20 What a rip!

I got up early this morning and sat down with my = Wheaties at=20 the PC to catch up on the nefga.com forums. What's this new message on = the=20 forum? CacheFlorida.com is back in service? Whoa, I can find this new = cache and=20 see the grand old site in all its glory? Where do I sign up? =

Don't get=20 me wrong - I'm not a cache addict, I can stop at any time. I can. = Really, I can.=20 I could stop tomorrow if I wanted to ... I just don't want to. I will = admit,=20 though: I miss CacheFlorida - especially the stats. Just when I was = about to=20 close in on Clan_Barron and 2LuknF8 (you know they've been faking logs - = there's=20 no way they can stay ahead of this caching machine without faking logs - = it's=20 not fair, there should be a law or something!) the site went away. Whoa, = baby,=20 major withdrawal! Now I have to sit up late at night figuring out how = many=20 points I have and whether I've moved up in the standings BY HAND. =

So=20 when I see this cache come active, you know I'm going. I figured maybe = they had=20 a laptop with a wireless connection or something rigged so cacher could = check=20 the CF site again - I mean, what a great idea for a cache! So I threw = the kids=20 in the trunk and we headed for Deltona at once - school? we don't need = no=20 stinkin' school today! We gotta get to CacheFlorida!

The area of = the=20 cache was easy to find - there was wreckage everywhere, yellow tape, = huge=20 craters in the ground, red lights everywhere. A SWAT team was holding a = couple=20 of huge gerbils at bay with anti-tank missles. No sweat, I've done = harder caches=20 than this. Slunk past the cops, around the crater, down in the ditch by = the=20 tracks - ah, is that the dull gleam of an ammo can? Eureka! I grab that = puppy=20 and pop it open - what? No CacheFlorida? Only a lousy TB and a = blood-stained=20 log. I wanted to throw it to the ground and smash it to bits - what a = waste of=20 time - but my cache training held and I stabbed my name onto the log and = rehid=20 the cache.

You wait, though, Mr CacheMonkeez. No more hiding = Evil Micros=20 for height-challenged cachers for you - your days of devious and = deceitful cache=20 hiding are over! Wait until THE JEREMY gets you - you will rue this = hide!=20

TNLNSL. Thanks!

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Amtraker found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Flew out here as fast as I could (see photo) but = couldn't get=20 the FTF. In fact the log book is almost full!

T: Bubble = Gum
L:=20 Plastic Explosives

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MJinFL found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/2/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/2/2004
Found this cache tomorrow(Check the date. I'm that = good). The=20 map made it look like it was near my house, so I put the coordinates in = the ol'=20 GPSr and stepped out the front door to get a good signal. The cache was = behind=20 me somewhere...Hmm. Searched for 2 hours before I found it under my = couch(no=20 signal in the house, you see). I never knew that national park OR = railroad track=20 was there. I bought the house in September and thought it was just noisy = pipes!=20 Sorry about the gerbils. I thought they were rats and called=20 Terminix[:o].

And I wanna know which one of you took my beer!!! = Carleenp=20 is currently the primary suspect...

And I sure hope that whoever = took=20 those equine meds made sure they grabbed the = documentation...[xx(]

Took=20 nothing, left everything(it's my house, after all), and it turns out = most of you=20 were signing the notepad I keep by the phone...

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Captain Chaoss posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
OK, I hate to complain , and I = really hate=20 to have to add to the image of a "sue-happy America", but I have an = issue here.=20 I log the cache, I leave a booklet even though I thought I took nothing, = and hop=20 in my Jeep to head home.

Not more than 2 miles down the road, I = get=20 accosted by a glowing gerbil. This thing was FEROCIOUS ! Not only am I = now=20 covered with tiny claw marks, that insane thing tried touching my=20 un-mentionables. Thank goodness the top was down on the Jeep. I siezed = the=20 grouuchy little vermin by the nape of his/her (?) neck, which is no easy = feat=20 mind you, and sailed him out the back. You think that stops him ? NO ! = Like the=20 liquid metal Terminator that Guv' Arnold had to beat down, this = crazy=20 thing starts chasing me up the road. Thank goodness for the mods on the = engine,=20 and the increased ground clearance provided by Superlift and some = Firestone=20 32's.

Well, I stopped off for a drink to relax my nerves, once = the evil=20 spawn of rodent-dom gave up trying to jump into the tailpipe ( of the = Jeep ) at=20 85 miles an hour. Low and behold, there was the infamous CarleenP at the = bar.=20 She too seems to be suffering some ill-effects from searching out this = cache.=20 Well, after some sound legal advice, *** I AM taking legal action = against the=20 railroad for not putting up warning signs about the local "wildlife" = they=20 have.

*** SIDENOTE: SOUND LEGAL ADVICE quoted verbatim -
mrph = beer=20 shetl in park brds acidic listenrghd meds jink found rotghy gerbil meds = grth mro=20 nessyd beer. im dat it pub. send hlp!

Thanks Carleen = !

P.S.=20 CarleenP also is in a very impressionable state currently. I convinced = her I am=20 more deserving of El Diablo's hiking staff than her mother.=20 [}:)]

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Team Dakiba found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Purple Jeep, Purple Jeep! We had = no=20 problem finding this, the tracks led right to the cache!
TNLN, ran = like=20 heck....

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TheWidget found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Yup it's still there, just follow = the=20 geo-tracks and you'll find it.

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Pain and Panic found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Well, we have been busted before, = but not=20 by a huge crowd! Impossible to be discreet so we just decided to sign = the log as=20 fast as possible and then get back on a plane to the West Coast. Great = cache,=20 thanks.

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Doombot! found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
So we headed for this cache after work today, and the = stangest=20 this happend by the tracks. A train came by and it had evil eyes and = teeth and a=20 Pokemon riding on top of it. It was a "Doom-train"

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Ackidge found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
phew a 5/5. the toughest I've ever done, but with = TheWidget's=20 help I managed!

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Team Evil Fish found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Thanks for the cache as I was in = doubt if=20 I and the rest of TEF were to continue caching but after getting this = we'll=20 continue doing so.

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CondoMax found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I found it, but you'll be hearing from my lawyer. = Whose idea=20 was it to put the live and irritable pygmy rattlesnake in the ammo box? = It bit=20 me on the rekcep. Thanks A LOT for the cache!!!

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King Boreas found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Took the bubble gum, left a Fifth = of=20 Jack.

T F T C

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Team Sprocket found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I was in the neighborhood and just = happened to have a pick and shovel with me so, in between dodging the=20 trains, I dug up the cache, took all of the contents and replaced = them=20 with exact replicas. I buried the cache a little deeper than I found = it. =20

-- Team Sprocket

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Crow T Robot posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
This cache will self-destruct in 1 = hour.

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moochie found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
started early this morning...boy, i've done some tough = caches=20 in my life but this takes the cake...no wonder overrover didn't attempt = this=20 one...finally took this one off the to-do list

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Yorky Lovers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Afte finishing Da Domb, I spray = painted=20 the Moon Suit with a camopaint job and slipped into the park at dusk. = eTrex was=20 all over the map but I probed the entire length of the tracks and found = it in=20 about 5 mins. Took the expired gerbil, at least I think it was a gerbil, = it was=20 pretty dark. Left the Moon suit and a flame thrower (almost empty). The = cache is=20 pretty full. Thanks for the hide Cachemonkees.

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Cachefan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Man, this cache is popular!! First time I had to = stand=20 in line to log a cache! Flew in from California this morning on my = Concorde Jet (got a great deal on eBay) and followed the geotrail to the = cache. Pretty easy to find now even with all the camo techniques = being=20 used. Very clever by the way. Never seen body parts, = rattlesnakes=20 and gerbils used quite like that. TFTC!

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Moag Ohana found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
sorry I took so long I didnt have = the cash=20 to fly so I jumped on my skateboard and kicked it all the way from = Diamond Bar=20 Ca. Boy I am I tired!!! Found it easily with all the visits=20 today.
TNLNDNSL
Mahalo and Aloha
Moag Ohana

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Crow T Robot permanently archived Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Well, that was fun. Who gets = the=20 prize for the best log? And what do you have planned for July=20 4th?

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haraup found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
My GPS got me to the right spot (a long fast trip from = Michigan) ... but there was no bridge there, and no apparent cache ... = just a=20 lot of messy debris and a yellow tape marked "Police Line-Do Not Cross", = so I=20 didn't. Lots of frantic official-types running around. Since I didn't = locate the=20 cache, I took nothing and left nothing (oh, yes, there was that little = bit of...=20 oh, never mind). But I'm going to claim the cache anyway since I = DID get=20 to the right spot.

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Brian

Team = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C41CCC.B9812050-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 02:35:11 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Larry H) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa (one more) In-Reply-To: <001501c41d07$6603acf0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <20040408023511.8825.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com> Here's my log (originally posted as a find, then edited to be just a not at the end of the day): Team GPSaxophone posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) I stopped by on my way to work to snag this one. I don't think barbed wire necessarily make it a 5 for terrain. I suppose if you count the wire cutters I happened to have with me, that would be "special equipment". The kids enjoyed tagging along. They said it is much more fun than daycare. My youngest was small enough to retrieve the cache while the train went by just inches above his head. I'll start packing helmets in my backpack for your next cache. Took the 44" Super Swampers, they'll look great on my Suburban once I get it raised a few more inches. Left a squished penny and a hampster (sorry Lep, I just can't keep him. Hope you don't mind) Edit: changing this to a note. In all the excitement I forgot to sign the logbook. I refuse to claim a find until I can sign it. ===== FriarED _______________________________________ Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like having a peeing section in a swimming pool? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 02:46:16 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:46:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa (one more) References: <20040408023511.8825.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009a01c41d13$aa51fae0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Thanks Larry I followed your lead and changed my find to a note as well didn't cache that one the first time ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry H" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa (one more) > Here's my log (originally posted as a find, then > edited to be just a not at the end of the day): > > Team GPSaxophone posted a note for Sloof Lirpa > (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) > > I stopped by on my way to work to snag this one. I > don't think barbed wire necessarily make it a 5 for > terrain. I suppose if you count the wire cutters I > happened to have with me, that would be "special > equipment". > The kids enjoyed tagging along. They said it is much > more fun than daycare. My youngest was small enough to > retrieve the cache while the train went by just inches > above his head. I'll start packing helmets in my > backpack for your next cache. > Took the 44" Super Swampers, they'll look great on my > Suburban once I get it raised a few more inches. Left > a squished penny and a hampster (sorry Lep, I just > can't keep him. Hope you don't mind) > > Edit: changing this to a note. In all the excitement I > forgot to sign the logbook. I refuse to claim a find > until I can sign it. > > > > > ===== > FriarED > > _______________________________________ > Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like > having a peeing section in a swimming pool? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 02:59:20 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (David Thompsen) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa Message-ID: <20040408025920.58635.qmail@web12307.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1365653421-1081393160=:57979 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is my log from Sloof Lirpa, I didn't get a chance for Da Bomb. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=f6aeb813-1811-4b88-aae7-f6cf1599d0c8 Team Cow Spots --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1365653421-1081393160=:57979 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
This is my log from Sloof Lirpa, I didn't get a chance for Da Bomb.

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Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1365653421-1081393160=:57979-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 03:05:32 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa (one more) References: <20040408023511.8825.qmail@web40208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c41d16$5ade2350$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> I've sent it to the listserv 3x, but keep getting a return due to max message size. Trying again. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry H" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa (one more) > Here's my log (originally posted as a find, then > edited to be just a not at the end of the day): > > Team GPSaxophone posted a note for Sloof Lirpa > (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) > > I stopped by on my way to work to snag this one. I > don't think barbed wire necessarily make it a 5 for > terrain. I suppose if you count the wire cutters I > happened to have with me, that would be "special > equipment". > The kids enjoyed tagging along. They said it is much > more fun than daycare. My youngest was small enough to > retrieve the cache while the train went by just inches > above his head. I'll start packing helmets in my > backpack for your next cache. > Took the 44" Super Swampers, they'll look great on my > Suburban once I get it raised a few more inches. Left > a squished penny and a hampster (sorry Lep, I just > can't keep him. Hope you don't mind) > > Edit: changing this to a note. In all the excitement I > forgot to sign the logbook. I refuse to claim a find > until I can sign it. > > > > > ===== > FriarED > > _______________________________________ > Isn't having a smoking section in a restaurant like > having a peeing section in a swimming pool? > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway > http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 03:09:26 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:09:26 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa 2/? Message-ID: <004301c41d16$e6804af0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C41CDC.39F69260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ddirgo posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I went back for the Gerbil TB. He seems to have been ... injured. And he = looted the cache (or at least the cigarettes). Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db04500cf-2aae-4a5d-87db-3f= ed7ea4b1a4 SylvrStorm posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Well, I must say that you Americans do caching a little differently than = we do up in Canada. I was in Orlando on business and thought I'd grab a = cache while in the area. Not wanting to look like a wimp to the locals, = I only do 5/5's when I'm travelling, and this one popped up on my = search. My rental car ran out of gas halfway there, so I hopped a train = that was going in the right direction. When my GPSr said "Arriving = Destination", I was about to jump from the train when there was an = incredibly loud explosion. I regained consciousness a while later to find myself pinned under a = mangled train car. It took a bit of doing, but I managed to squirm out = from under it. I was bleeding from several places, but at least I have = a Garmin, so my GPSr was still working. Could the cacher who found my = toe please email me through this site? There were quite a few people in a variety of uniforms wandering around = the area. I'm not familiar with your American organizations, so I'm not = sure who they were or what they were doing there. I found a couple of = gerbil pelts and some twisted wire where my GPSr zeroed out, so I used = the wire to hold the pelts in place as makeshift bandages. I couldn't = find any other sign of the cache though. Then I ran into another cacher who said the cache had been moved down = the tracks a bit, and something about it being made into a multi. We = searched together for a while, but he kept nattering on about how hard = it was, so when I ran across a machine gun near the edge of the crater, = I shot him. I finally found the cache. When I opened the box a rattlesnake bit my = nose. I ripped the thing off my face, beat it to death with my GPSr, = and tied it around my neck as a tourniquet until after I managed to suck = the poison out of my own face using a bit of fuel line hose I salvaged = from the train engine. Just in time too, as I was starting to feel a = bit dizzy. Back to the cache. I left a Canadian flag patch and took the atomic = bomb. (Do you have any idea how hard it is to get those up here in = Canada? Even Walmart is usually out of stock, and Home Depot only = carries about half the parts you need to make one.) I signed the log = book, which is pretty wet with blood and should probably be replaced, = but I'm only posting a note online because this was way too easy to = claim as find for a 5/5 rated cache. Does this really qualify as = challenging down here? Like I said, you Americans do caching = differently than we do up in Canada. Change it to a 1.5/2 and maybe = I'll change it to a smiley. Thanks for the cache. SylvrStorm Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dd0901a48-24b3-4105-9c29-e8= 9c887ffe00 Sparky-Watts posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Ummmm....I got home with an extra appendage....attached...actually, = growing out of my forehead. Anyone else noticing this? Maybe it was = that odd-colored gas I walked through from that leaking tanker car. It = does make typing easier, though. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D6a6d63f9-8db2-46de-b738-16= 3d5a71a652 RandMan posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 As I approached the area I noticed the strange looking guy with the = horns wandering around. The guy kinda gave me the creeps. He kept = hissing and talking to himself. I decided to take a longer trail to the = cache and go around him. After wandering around the area looking for another way into the cache = area, I noticed what I thought was a "Yeti." I his behind some rocks = and after a few minutes this strange cacher wearing nothing but a = backpack and shoes came skipping by me singing "Zip a dee do da." I = snapped a photo and decided to go back to town and have a few beers = before trying for this cache again. I'll try to come back later when = hopefully things settle down somewhat. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D10202f3a-fcf1-4820-93d8-d3= 4cf5f48c3f Webfoot found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Hmmmmm. With the crater and wrecked train, it was pretty easy to = pinpoint the exact location of this cache. You might want to downgrade = the rating a little bit. Hard part was digging through the rubble to = locate the container. Good thing I had my pickaxe with me for these = kinds of caches. Took the Anthrax, left one of my signature duck legs. And yes, I traded = up since those duck legs are considered aphrodisiacs in many parts of = the world. =20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dddf1fd56-c48e-4780-9920-e2= 02d74e6892 clan_Barron found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 After escaping from the Air Force MPs (see my post on Capaldo's "Da = Bomb") we thought that we'd stop and snag this one on the way back to = Jax. I was disappointed to find that the previous finder had already = took the a-bomb (that's OK we really didn't have an equal trade item = since the MP's confiscated all our good trade stuff). At least there = were still plenty of box cutters and pirate music CDs (I sure hope the = RIAA guys don't find out I snagged one of those I hear that they'll = smack you around worse than the MPs [B)] ) Log was too wet with blood = to sign, so I plucked eyebrow hairs and arranged them in the still damp = bloos so that they spell out my name. Took pirated Jim Nabors Greatest = Hits cd and left copy of "How to defuse a bomb" pamphlet that I printed = from the net. TFTH (Gotta get going - here come a bunch of guys that = look like agent Smith from the Matrix. They must be the RIAA guys coming = for me) Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db87b82a6-94b9-449c-bcd4-bb= e5a0e9f5fe graldrich found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Took a few pirated music cd's,ooops hope the RIAA doesn't see this,let a = box of M80's!Thanks for the cache! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D2af4bfc6-9ef4-470e-af6e-a2= c9e5b402e5 joefrog found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I flew down from Birmingham on my lunch hour to search for this one. I = made it back on time! I finally found it, but those damned tripwires = cut into my legs something awful. I picked the wrong day to try nude = caching. I got the cuts on my butt too, because as I sat down on the = tracks to sign the log I saw another "log" right beside me, and when I = scooted to the side someone's broken glasses cut my buttocks! Couldn't = find anything to scoop it up with, so I used the ammo can lid and = scooped it into the cache. Hope the next finder doesn't mind. Brought = an entire duffle bag full of goodies to feed the wildlife, but I didn't = manage to lure any of the alligators near enough to try and shove them = in. So I had to settle for packing the cache full of monkeys. Lots and = LOTS of monkeys. I like monkeys! They're dead already, so no hurry on = getting them out. The box cutter in the cache made it easy to squish a = few more in. The tripwires got me again, and I rolled down the rock y hill into the poison ivy. I came rolling out of the bushes, grunting = in pain and protecting my bits from the briars, and fell on some woman's = shopping bag who was sitting on the bench. She yelled a bit, and ran = away. I chased her with her bag, but my tounge was swollen from where I = licked the cuts on my hands, so I was chasing her yelling "Forgot BAG! = Yer BAG here! HERE! TAKE IT!" =20 Did I mention that I'm not wearing pants? That was hard to explain to = the cops, especially since they chased me all the way back to the = airport. The security guard at the gate was gentler than usual with his = generous cavity search since i was all cut and rashed-up. I had an = inside seat on the plane ride back, and stepping over the guy on the = outside was tough. Slipped and planted my bum on his face. Sorry, guy. = Lucky me -- the guy in the seat next to me moved away, so I had two = seats to myself for the flight back! Good thing, too -- his face = smelled like ass! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D4bc9ae01-d011-4602-a9e3-1f= 41eb695c8a GeoVet found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Sloof Lirpa to u! Wow! The stench, the devastation, the HUMANITY! It = just keeps getting better. Took time, left in a hurry. =20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D38636b96-27a6-411e-ac12-a6= 357719177a jeff35080 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Seeing as how I'm involved in law enforcement, I had second thoughts = about attempting to find this cache. Aftering pondering it for a while I = said to myself, "What the heck, I'll do it!" I changed from my standard police uniform into something more = appropriate. Solid black clothing with a black ski mask. I also carried = my trade item in a black backpack. I used stealth and cunning to reach = the cache area. Upon finding the cache, I looked at all the goodies in = the cache container and decided that I needed a new box cutter, so I = took it from the cache and placed it in my backpack. Also, from my = backpack I removed one can of Freeze +P pepper spray that I had just = gotten from the property clerk back at the station and also one 00 = 12-guage shell. I signed the log book and left my trade items. I now thought to myself, since I'm already dressed for finding and = logging these types of caches, I figured I would attempt to log a new = locationless cache I saw listed on geocaching.com: [url=3Dhttp://notachance.com/geocache/crackpipe.htm]Log A Crack = Pipe[/url] <--- Yep, it's a real cache! Anyways, I was lucky enough to find a crack pipe to log and even got = some bonus points in the process [:)] Thanks for the great hide and for the box cutter, as I really needed it! = Happy geocaching! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dac789bdd-e691-4348-8848-4c= d121f304f1 TucsonThompsen found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Heard about the gerbils in the cache and just had to find this cache to = see if Lemmiwinks was there. Thought I would pick him up and transport = him back to Colorado where Mr. Slave is missing him. Unfortuantely = Lemmiwinks seems to have spent too much time in the cache and was rather = dead when I found him. Alas, the Sparrow King couldn't help him reach = the esophagus this time. So dropped off Sparrow King TB. =20 Saw four kids approaching this cache from the nearby trestle as I logged = it...one of them bore a striking resemblance to cacher = GroundskeeperWillie. There were mubling something about "moons and = goochers" as I put the cache back. =20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D1604555d-43e7-4dc4-90c5-f7= 155959887f ghOzt found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Nice, quick find! Found it in less than a minute! Anyone who doesn't = find this one as quickly obviously lacks the caching skills that I am = blessed with! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Da7610aa4-7712-491c-9f97-e7= 95df9ae603 tdjvolks found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Wow what an exciting cache, we got up this morning and decided to do = alittle caching, so after we finished up with Brad's cache called Da = Bomb, off we headed to Deltona to do a 5-5 cache...I believe this is our = first! We decided to fly over to access the situation and when we = arrived we noticed that some one had left a geo coin on the track and it = apparently tipped the train over as it was crushing it. This exposed = the cache and it was an easy find...we don't think it should have been = rated a 5-5 maybe a 3-3 Thanks for the fun and we helped put out the fire with our plane, see = pictures attached tdjvolks Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D607ccce1-1077-496b-9ce2-60= 665798a40d SamLowrey posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Goo job, tdjvolks! Cache In, Fire Out. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D4e5aa666-4cc9-4247-b75b-3d= 80861ba366 Corp Of Discovery requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Is this what geocaching has evolved to? Was this really necessary? I = will post mor in the forums. Look under 'S***w you all....'. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dc25aa7de-edd8-4af2-a1f5-76= 1f5f44aef0 Brian - Team A.I. posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Yup! Having fun is the name of the game. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D12a0b013-b7a7-4686-9294-2b= 61556c0625 rusty_tlc posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 This was my first cache found by astral projection. I'm hooked! From now = on I will be caching from the comfort of my office. Nice hide. Took nothing, left ectoplasm. rusty_tlc Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D80a785ab-8414-4abc-9781-3a= 443db682ff FishPOET found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Well done. I especially like that i was near Dumass street! Thanks for = the fun. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D61a37123-4c46-40d9-a475-ab= e7c618526e The Weasel found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Whewwww, didn't think I would make it back alive to log this one. After chasing down a hobo who had jumped off the passing train and gave = me a mega wedgie, I headed of to find the cache with my underwear pulled = firmly over my forhead. I finally found the cache with the help from a squirrel that was walking = around the area with a wooden limb playing old Zepplin tunes on his = harmonica. After tipping him 5 bucks, he led me to the cache. I took a = gernade and left a TB. After signing the log he invited me back to his place and he made us a = campire to sit around. He then told me stories about how he lost his = wife to a train accident while she was jumping down the tracks on her = pogo stick. He then told me how his kids left him to make a career for = themselves in Hollywood. He said the last he had heard from them, they = were doing some ads for a sandwhich shop? Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dc4c225b0-578d-4e7a-800a-bb= 32006ebe0b SamLowrey posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 [Monty Python]All right! All right. Now stop that! This cache is = getting *silly.* Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D55577463-bbd7-484c-bfa4-f3= 0865eb57e0 adampierson found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Oh the humanity!!!! The humanity of it all!!! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Da68739ab-e3c1-49f1-a5bd-67= 77040b91b8 DeerChaser & Company found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I didnt need a GSP for this one. I could hear the screaming gerbil as I = parked. My brakes aren't that good so I kind of ran over the cache. I = replaced the container with an old warhead, I think it's dead. Oh well = thanks for the cache Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dfc9ff000-b142-4f69-a943-fb= 6fc4fecfef Renegade Knight found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I saw the signature assault rife left by Team Grizzly and had to bag = this cache. Snagged the rifle and put A few test rounds through the = log book for a signature then headed off to log the Bell Tower = locationless I've been hearing about. Oh, I left pair of matched Glocks = and a case of ammo. They didn't fit in the cache so I left them in some = handy wreckage taht was nearby. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D3f502908-ec12-4e2c-bf6e-e6= 798fc1a1e7 Pacholik found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I saw this cache pop up and jumped on a plane to Florida. I made it to = the location but was not first to find. Had a nice talk with the = gerbels. Left something, I forgot what.=20 -Mike Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D160d256b-d68b-4b47-9c2f-4b= 33d56c061c bug&snake found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 What cache? Seems that the gerbils were geneticaly modified by the = chemicals leaking from the train wreck and ate the entire cache and all = the train tracks for a mile in either direction. So, I ate the gerbils. = I had walked about 17 miles back towards where I had parked the atomic = skateboard when I had a twinge of conscience, though it may have been = stomach acid. I turned around and jogged back to the cache location = only to find that the entire area had become a lake of glassy material = when the geosiesmic disturbance caused by the gerbils getting out of the = cache had caused the earths crust to crack and leak magma. Anyhow, = after taking a weeks rest for five minutes I recreated the original = cache, exactly as it was to start, using some stuff I had in my goodie = bag. Then I went home! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dafb02237-1a18-4084-ad60-22= 8cff471269 ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C41CDC.39F69260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ddirgo posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I went back for the Gerbil TB. He = seems to=20 have been ... injured. And he looted the cache (or at least the=20 cigarettes).

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SylvrStorm posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Well, I must say that you = Americans do=20 caching a little differently than we do up in Canada. I was in = Orlando on=20 business and thought I'd grab a cache while in the area. Not = wanting to=20 look like a wimp to the locals, I only do 5/5's when I'm travelling, and = this=20 one popped up on my search. My rental car ran out of gas halfway = there, so=20 I hopped a train that was going in the right direction. When my = GPSr said=20 "Arriving Destination", I was about to jump from the train when there = was an=20 incredibly loud explosion.

I regained consciousness a while later = to find=20 myself pinned under a mangled train car. It took a bit of doing, = but I=20 managed to squirm out from under it. I was bleeding from several = places,=20 but at least I have a Garmin, so my GPSr was still working. Could = the=20 cacher who found my toe please email me through this site?

There = were=20 quite a few people in a variety of uniforms wandering around the = area. I'm=20 not familiar with your American organizations, so I'm not sure who they = were or=20 what they were doing there. I found a couple of gerbil pelts and = some=20 twisted wire where my GPSr zeroed out, so I used the wire to hold the = pelts in=20 place as makeshift bandages. I couldn't find any other sign of the = cache=20 though.

Then I ran into another cacher who said the cache had = been moved=20 down the tracks a bit, and something about it being made into a = multi. We=20 searched together for a while, but he kept nattering on about how hard = it was,=20 so when I ran across a machine gun near the edge of the crater, I shot=20 him.

I finally found the cache. When I opened the box a = rattlesnake=20 bit my nose. I ripped the thing off my face, beat it to death with = my=20 GPSr, and tied it around my neck as a tourniquet until after I managed = to suck=20 the poison out of my own face using a bit of fuel line hose I salvaged = from the=20 train engine. Just in time too, as I was starting to feel a bit=20 dizzy.

Back to the cache. I left a Canadian flag patch and = took the=20 atomic bomb. (Do you have any idea how hard it is to get those up = here in=20 Canada? Even Walmart is usually out of stock, and Home Depot only = carries=20 about half the parts you need to make one.) I signed the log book, = which=20 is pretty wet with blood and should probably be replaced, but I'm only = posting a=20 note online because this was way too easy to claim as find for a 5/5 = rated=20 cache. Does this really qualify as challenging down here? = Like I=20 said, you Americans do caching differently than we do up in = Canada. Change=20 it to a 1.5/2 and maybe I'll change it to a smiley.

Thanks for = the=20 cache.

SylvrStorm

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Sparky-Watts posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Ummmm....I got home with an extra=20 appendage....attached...actually, growing out of my forehead. = Anyone else=20 noticing this? Maybe it was that odd-colored gas I walked through = from=20 that leaking tanker car. It does make typing easier, = though.

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RandMan posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
As I approached the area I noticed = the=20 strange looking guy with the horns wandering around. The guy kinda = gave me=20 the creeps. He kept hissing and talking to himself. I = decided to=20 take a longer trail to the cache and go around him.

After = wandering=20 around the area looking for another way into the cache area, I noticed = what I=20 thought was a "Yeti." I his behind some rocks and after a few = minutes this=20 strange cacher wearing nothing but a backpack and shoes came skipping by = me=20 singing "Zip a dee do da." I snapped a photo and decided to go = back to=20 town and have a few beers before trying for this cache again. I'll = try to=20 come back later when hopefully things settle down somewhat.

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Webfoot found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Hmmmmm. With the crater and wrecked train, it = was pretty=20 easy to pinpoint the exact location of this cache. You might want = to=20 downgrade the rating a little bit. Hard part was digging through = the=20 rubble to locate the container. Good thing I had my pickaxe with = me for=20 these kinds of caches.

Took the Anthrax, left one of my signature = duck=20 legs. And yes, I traded up since those duck legs are considered=20 aphrodisiacs in many parts of the world.

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clan_Barron found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
After escaping from the Air Force = MPs (see=20 my post on Capaldo's "Da Bomb") we thought that we'd stop and snag this = one on=20 the way back to Jax. I was disappointed to find that the previous finder = had=20 already took the a-bomb (that's OK we really didn't have an equal trade = item=20 since the MP's confiscated all our good trade stuff). At least there = were still=20 plenty of box cutters and pirate music CDs (I sure hope the RIAA guys = don't find=20 out I snagged one of those I hear that they'll smack you around worse = than the=20 MPs [B)] ) Log was too wet with blood to sign, so I plucked = eyebrow hairs=20 and arranged them in the still damp bloos so that they spell out my = name. Took=20 pirated Jim Nabors Greatest Hits cd and left copy of "How to defuse a = bomb"=20 pamphlet that I printed from the net. TFTH (Gotta get going - here come = a bunch=20 of guys that look like agent Smith from the Matrix. They must be the = RIAA guys=20 coming for me)

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graldrich found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Took a few pirated music = cd's,ooops hope=20 the RIAA doesn't see this,let a box of M80's!Thanks for the = cache!

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joefrog found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I flew down from Birmingham on my lunch hour to search = for=20 this one. I made it back on time! I finally found it, but = those=20 damned tripwires cut into my legs something awful. I picked the wrong = day to try=20 nude caching. I got the cuts on my butt too, because as I sat down = on the=20 tracks to sign the log I saw another "log" right beside me, and when I = scooted=20 to the side someone's broken glasses cut my buttocks! Couldn't = find=20 anything to scoop it up with, so I used the ammo can lid and scooped it = into the=20 cache. Hope the next finder doesn't mind. Brought an entire = duffle=20 bag full of goodies to feed the wildlife, but I didn't manage to lure = any of the=20 alligators near enough to try and shove them in. So I had to = settle for=20 packing the cache full of monkeys. Lots and LOTS of monkeys. = I like=20 monkeys! They're dead already, so no hurry on getting them = out. The=20 box cutter in the cache made it easy to squish a few more in. The=20 tripwires got me again, and I rolled down the rock
y hill into = the=20 poison ivy. I came rolling out of the bushes, grunting in pain and = protecting my bits from the briars, and fell on some woman's shopping = bag who=20 was sitting on the bench. She yelled a bit, and ran away. I chased = her=20 with her bag, but my tounge was swollen from where I licked the cuts on = my=20 hands, so I was chasing her yelling "Forgot BAG! Yer BAG here! = HERE! TAKE=20 IT!"

Did I mention that I'm not wearing pants? That = was hard=20 to explain to the cops, especially since they chased me all the way back = to the=20 airport. The security guard at the gate was gentler than usual with his = generous=20 cavity search since i was all cut and rashed-up. I had an inside = seat on=20 the plane ride back, and stepping over the guy on the outside was = tough. =20 Slipped and planted my bum on his face. Sorry, guy. Lucky me = -- the=20 guy in the seat next to me moved away, so I had two seats to myself for = the=20 flight back! Good thing, too -- his face smelled like = ass!

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GeoVet found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Sloof Lirpa to u! Wow! The stench, the=20 devastation, the HUMANITY! It just keeps getting better. = Took time,=20 left in a hurry.

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jeff35080 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Seeing as how I'm involved in law=20 enforcement, I had second thoughts about attempting to find this cache. = Aftering=20 pondering it for a while I said to myself, "What the heck, I'll do = it!"

I=20 changed from my standard police uniform into something more appropriate. = Solid=20 black clothing with a black ski mask. I also carried my trade item in a = black=20 backpack. I used stealth and cunning to reach the cache area. Upon = finding the=20 cache, I looked at all the goodies in the cache container and decided = that I=20 needed a new box cutter, so I took it from the cache and placed it in my = backpack. Also, from my backpack I removed one can of Freeze +P pepper = spray=20 that I had just gotten from the property clerk back at the station and = also one=20 00 12-guage shell. I signed the log book and left my trade = items.

I now=20 thought to myself, since I'm already dressed for finding and logging = these types=20 of caches, I figured I would attempt to log a new locationless cache I = saw=20 listed on=20 geocaching.com:

[url=3Dhttp://notachance.com/geocache/crackpipe.ht= m]Log A=20 Crack Pipe[/url] <--- Yep, it's a real cache!

Anyways, I was = lucky=20 enough to find a crack pipe to log and even got some bonus points in the = process=20 [:)]

Thanks for the great hide and for the box cutter, as I = really needed=20 it! Happy geocaching!

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TucsonThompsen found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Heard about the gerbils in the = cache and=20 just had to find this cache to see if Lemmiwinks was there. = Thought I=20 would pick him up and transport him back to Colorado where Mr. Slave is = missing=20 him. Unfortuantely Lemmiwinks seems to have spent too much time in = the=20 cache and was rather dead when I found him. Alas, the Sparrow King = couldn't help him reach the esophagus this time. So dropped off = Sparrow=20 King TB.
Saw four kids approaching this cache from the nearby = trestle=20 as I logged it...one of them bore a striking resemblance to cacher=20 GroundskeeperWillie. There were mubling something about "moons and = goochers" as I put the cache back.

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ghOzt found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Nice, quick find! Found it in less than a minute! = Anyone who=20 doesn't find this one as quickly obviously lacks the caching skills that = I am=20 blessed with!

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tdjvolks found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Wow what an exciting cache, we got up this morning and = decided=20 to do alittle caching, so after we finished up with Brad's cache called = Da Bomb,=20 off we headed to Deltona to do a 5-5 cache...I believe this is our = first! =20 We decided to fly over to access the situation and when we arrived we = noticed=20 that some one had left a geo coin on the track and it apparently tipped = the=20 train over as it was crushing it. This exposed the cache and it = was an=20 easy find...we don't think it should have been rated a 5-5 maybe a=20 3-3

Thanks for the fun and we helped put out the fire with our = plane, see=20 pictures attached

tdjvolks

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SamLowrey posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Goo job, tdjvolks!   = Cache In,=20 Fire Out.

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Corp Of Discovery requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) to=20 be archived at 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Is this what = geocaching has=20 evolved to? Was this really necessary? I will post mor in the forums. = Look under=20 'S***w you all....'.

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Brian - Team A.I. posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache)=20 at 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Yup! Having fun is the = name of=20 the game.

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rusty_tlc posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
This was my first cache found by = astral=20 projection. I'm hooked! From now on I will be caching from the comfort = of my=20 office. Nice hide.
Took nothing, left = ectoplasm.
rusty_tlc

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FishPOET found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Well done. I especially like that i was near = Dumass=20 street! Thanks for the fun.

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The Weasel found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Whewwww, didn't think I would make = it back=20 alive to log this one.

After chasing down a hobo who had jumped = off the=20 passing train and gave me a mega wedgie, I headed of to find the cache = with my=20 underwear pulled firmly over my forhead.

I finally found the = cache with=20 the help from a squirrel that was walking around the area with a wooden = limb=20 playing old Zepplin tunes on his harmonica. After tipping him 5 bucks, = he led me=20 to the cache. I took a gernade and left a TB.

After signing the = log he=20 invited me back to his place and he made us a campire to sit around. He = then=20 told me stories about how he lost his wife to a train accident while she = was=20 jumping down the tracks on her pogo stick. He then told me how his kids = left him=20 to make a career for themselves in Hollywood. He said the last he had = heard from=20 them, they were doing some ads for a sandwhich = shop?

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SamLowrey posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
[Monty Python]All = right!   All=20 right.   Now stop that!   This cache is getting=20 *silly.*

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adampierson found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Oh the humanity!!!! The humanity = of it=20 all!!!

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DeerChaser & Company found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I didnt need a GSP for this one. I = could=20 hear the screaming gerbil as I parked. My brakes aren't that good so I = kind of=20 ran over the cache. I replaced the container with an old warhead, I = think it's=20 dead. Oh well thanks for the cache

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Renegade Knight found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I saw the signature assault rife = left by=20 Team Grizzly and had to bag this cache. Snagged the rifle = and put A=20 few test rounds through the log book for a signature then headed off to = log the=20 Bell Tower locationless I've been hearing about. Oh, I left pair of = matched=20 Glocks and a case of ammo. They didn't fit in the cache so I left = them in=20 some handy wreckage taht was nearby.

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Pacholik found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I saw this cache pop up and jumped on a plane to = Florida. I=20 made it to the location but was not first to find. Had a nice talk with = the=20 gerbels. Left something, I forgot what.

-Mike

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bug&snake found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
What cache? Seems that the = gerbils=20 were geneticaly modified by the chemicals leaking from the train wreck = and ate=20 the entire cache and all the train tracks for a mile in either = direction. =20 So, I ate the gerbils. I had walked about 17 miles back towards = where I=20 had parked the atomic skateboard when I had a twinge of conscience, = though it=20 may have been stomach acid. I turned around and jogged back to the = cache=20 location only to find that the entire area had become a lake of glassy = material=20 when the geosiesmic disturbance caused by the gerbils getting out of the = cache=20 had caused the earths crust to crack and leak magma. Anyhow, after = taking=20 a weeks rest for five minutes I recreated the original cache, exactly as = it was=20 to start, using some stuff I had in my goodie bag. Then I went=20 home!

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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C41CDC.39F69260-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 03:09:23 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:09:23 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa 1/? Message-ID: <003f01c41d16$e4da3c10$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C41CDC.383D70B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those who haven't seen them and want to, here are MOST of the logs = from the cache:=20 sledgehampster found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Found a gerbil wondering around in a daze so I mailed him to Michael = Jackson as a gift. TFTH! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D5c021c29-575d-4377-b3ef-fc= 6819124b6a TheSkulls found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Geez, the traffic in the metropolis of Orange City was horrendous at 5am = so had to go home and sleep for a few days before trying this one again. = Cache was hard to find as someone was sleeping on the spot of the cache. = It turned out to be John Tesh who had heard that he had a fan who had = actually copied his cd's. Was distraught and disappointed that it = wasn't me, but after telling him I'd seen he's mural painted above = hiddenrock's fireplace and giving him hiddenrocks' address and phone = number he calmed down a bit. Was hard to open the cache container, but = with my pocket acetylene torch I finally managed. Left some backstage = passes to the sold out Yanni concert, took a coveted used tissue. Thanks for the cache monkeez, don't believe we've found one of yours = since attempting to climb the phone tower at your "Can You Hear Me Now" = cache. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dfbde635f-2ce7-45ea-ab92-d3= 87b27ed32e WaldenRun found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Knowing the restrictions on active railroad tracks, I was not about to = trespass. I called 911 about a suspicious container and their bomb squad = blew up the cache. I caught the logbook as it flew by and signed in. I = also took a boxcutter across the jugular and am feeling a bit faint... = argh, THUNK! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dbbdcfff4-f5be-44a3-8a98-e7= 7778e4394d Jackie and Bob found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Well Cachemonkeez (aka Hammack, aka Team Hammack, aka Sers)... Caught = the red eye from California last night. Got in this morning and the = first thing I did was to rent a car and drive to this cache. What a = mess. The NTSB guys had spotted the ammo box and called out the bomb = squad. They were getting ready to detonate what was left of the = container. I tried to stop them but was unable to. 'All I want to do = is sign the log first'. 'Please'. boooom. Oh well maybe CacheMonkeez = will allow me to log this as a find anyway. I raced back to the airport = and caught the return plane home. I'll call Jackie later and tell her I = was in town. If she doesn't believe me I'll tell her to read the log. = Thanks for the fun. If you don't think I earned this then feel free to = delete my log, or maybe you can have Crow T change it to a note, or = maybe you can tell me to change it to a note. Gee is this cache hidden = near hiddenrock's front yard? Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D979ad8f7-0b44-4d6b-9596-74= 796d340215 dead_white_man found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 When I arrived, all I found was a crater, some schrappnel from an ammo = can and a log book. SLTNLN thanks for the excitement Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8fab8bc2-34fc-413d-8b4b-04= d312e16551 CacheMonkeez found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Went out to perform some maintenance on the cache (that's my favorite = part of geocaching!). Moved the wreckage out of the way and restored the = cache. Should be good to go. I didn't see GreyMouser and J&B's names in the log so they should go = back and sign or delete their logs. ..poor Gerbil Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D1e199c4b-68ff-425d-bf9b-d0= 2e02435ab6 fosterbass found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I woke up early this morning to the sound of my alarm clock beeping. I = tried to turn it off, only it wouldn't stop. Suddenly I realized I was = not in my bed. I was laying on the railroad tracks. I had dozed off = while looking for this cache and now there was a huge train bearing down = on me. I jumped out of the way then spotted the cache just before the = train passed. I quickly reached back onto the tracks and grabbed the = cache. Unfortunately, the wind of the passing train blew all the = WheresGeorge money all over the place. There must have been a few dozen = dollar bills in there. Anyway, thanks for the cache. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dfa9e5805-6f23-46ac-b4d4-4b= 990fdb5da9 webscouter. found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Thought I would drive down for this one early as I have found everything = in Kansas City. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dec96538b-5101-4956-841d-43= 7344a8a4e6 Team Grizzly found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I think you need to change the difficulty rating - the crater gives away = the position a little much for a five. Terrain however, is still = treacherous. Signed remains of log - left signature assault riffle. = Thanks for the fun. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D88c36347-d29f-4a56-8c32-6f= 8845ca51b6 cool_librarian found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 As I am known far and wide as a "cacher of mercy," I arrived on the = scene (after stopping by the hospital to visit WaldenRun) with a new = container stocked with a CL Instant Cache Kit, READ Stickers, = handstamped bookmarks, and CL Magnets. There is also a first aid kit in = there. I couldn't find any gerbils....=20 But, wouldn't you know, by the time I got there, a new box had been = placed! Glad to see that SOME people maintain their caches. I hid this = one down the tracks a bit and wrote the coords on the lid of the = original cache - so now you have a multi! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D1d34e645-19e5-46c7-a7fc-32= a4b31dddcc Divine posted a note for April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Hey...there's noting or no one here... I'm standing here at the = coordinates right now; I have a mobile internet connection. Are these = like the real coordinates? I mean, man, it cost helluva lot dough to = come here from Finland, just for this cache. Anyone? Anyone? I'm the guy standing here beside the road, wearing black and, you know, = horned.[}:)] Anyone? Come talk to me! Hey you there, come here! I can = see your GPSr, I know you were coming this way! Come back! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D877a1a64-e449-4349-ba32-41= 8657eda12f ThePropers found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Worst. Cache. Ever. This turned into our most expensive cache hunt ever. We narrowly = avoided escape due to our poor choice of parking (Please see picture). = Once the EMS left, we found the cache with ease though. I was = disappointed their were no gerbils left. Anyhoo, we took nothing, but = left a rattlesnake. I'm sure it will have suffocated by the time the = next cachers get to it. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3De9303f76-c5ef-47f5-8f4d-b9= d6f130f3a3 Jackie and Bob posted a note for April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 OK CacheMonkeez.. I fessed up to Jackie and told her I flew to Florida = just to find your cache and then flew home without stopping to see her. = She was p..o..d to say the least. However when I explained that you = wanted to delete our log because I couldn't sign the log, she graciously = went to the new and updated cache and signed the log. While she was = there she took this picture. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Da9b0acff-47db-49cb-8ca3-c9= d40bb2bc37 Capaldo found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I had decided to spend a little time out of town after placing = [URL=3Dhttp://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D0001d69c-= 7367-4516-8a94-ff76b2c2867f]this cache[/URL], when I ran into some of = Blueman's military buddies. They were giving me a ride in their nifty = black helichopper when we were diverted to this site. They're certainly = dedicated cachers; they had tons of cool equipment and even matching = uniforms. I think their screen name is "Special Forces." Anywho, while = they swarmed the area, they asked me to lie face down in the dirt with = my hands cuffed behind my back. It seemed a little weird, but I know = there are regional differences in the way people cache, so I didn't want = to be rude. Funny thing though, I just so happened to be lying right on = top of the log book, so with the blood from my cracked nose, I smeared = my initials. Thanks for the fun cache. Now I think we're off to a = Geo-Event at PAFB! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3De1de8500-5e80-478d-81cd-56= 3c0461f0e3 Cache & Keri found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 After I saw that the "cool librarians" had converted this cache into a = multi, I decided to give it another shot. By this time, there were = emergency vehicles everywhere making it even more difficult to access = the cache. Unfortunately, not too many trade items remain...so anyone = who intends to venture out to the cache should plan on re-stocking it. = Give yourself an extra 3 hours due to the traffic congestion caused by = the train wreck and all the overturned vehicles. Hey CacheMonkeez thanks for another super caching adventure. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Deb9d7cfd-31dd-48c0-bd4b-99= 3437aa73fd BCR found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I just followed the RR tracks from the nearby road. BTW, I thought = caches weren't supposed to buried in U.S. National Parks? Also, logbook = was wet. TN/LN/SL. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D3a1c680a-0dc9-4314-b7c4-84= 420fa92ec0 GreyMouser & Gisela posted a note for April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Went back and signed the new log. Sorry CacheMonkeez we were just so = excited at the FTF and all the goodies. We also wanted to try to find a = good home for the Gerbils. By the way, we took 2 Gerbils, but when we = got home, we had 10. [}:)] Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D34ddde5f-d170-4dfd-9ac2-46= 3ee0a93801 Team GPSaxophone found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I stopped by on my way to work to snag this one. I don't think barbed = wire necessarily make it a 5 for terrain. I suppose if you count the = wire cutters I happened to have with me, that would be "special = equipment". The kids enjoyed tagging along. They said it is much more fun than = daycare. My youngest was small enough to retrieve the cache while the = train went by just inches above his head. I'll start packing helmets in = my backpack for your next cache. Took the 44" Super Swampers, they'll look great on my Suburban once I = get it raised a few more inches. Left a squished penny and a hampster = (sorry Lep, I just can't keep him. Hope you don't mind) Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D83536bd1-913a-4873-8b3f-d2= 0bc367c1fc The Cow Spots posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Not sure whether I should keep this as a find or not. Managed to find = the cache with three of my friends, cause we heard there was a dead body = in the vicinity. Unfortunately my friend Vern dropped his comb, as I = didn't notice the train barrelling my way. I managed to avoid the train = (see attached pic by my friend Chris) but dropped the cache over the = edge. Hope another cacher finds it. --Gordon LaChance Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Df6aeb813-1811-4b88-aae7-f6= cf1599d0c8 CacheMonkeez found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Sax, Was that the penny and the gerbil that were squished, or just the penny? Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D80340c35-7d17-4631-8d07-67= 8056a36228 Scoobie10 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I saw this one pop up on my cachescope and decided to hop in my new H2 = and and head from Southern Illinois (I would never have gone if I were = from Chicago because it just would have been too far to drive). Anyway, = there's not much left of the cache or anything else for that matter. I = decided to replace the cache so I pulled a 55 gallon drum (formally used = to store high octane racing fuel. Sorry about the smell, I didn't get a = chance to clean it first)from my backpack and covered it with = booby-traps to keep out the muggles. The cache is now restocked with = BRAND NEW razor blades. Lots of offical looking people around, not sure = what they're up to. Thanks for the adventure. Took: Big toe that I found on the ground to convert in to a keycahin. Left: Some old, out dated medications that I had laying around. I'm not = sure what they're for but they are very colorful. Scoobie ZOINKS! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db7bea160-5f95-4fde-b4d0-f9= 50a80d1de6 golefts found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 in the name of all that is humane and the Society for the Protection of = Poisonous Snakes, I stopped by to retrieve the rattler and return him to = Arizona where we need more snakes. Thankfully he survived quite well on = squished gerbils and the cache is now empty of living things. SL; took = the snake and left a few weapoons of mass destruction. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3De293df49-d0f6-45db-ad55-8d= d2fec2c3bf CCDAWG found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Needed to get to the coast for a business trip to Columbia(leaving in = the middle of the night), and thought a caching adventure was a good = idea. after getting to the site,i realized that this one would take = awhile, so took some "performance enhancing stimulants" to get thru this = one. I finally found after a all-nighters of caching! All i can say = is....watch out for that Dang train...anyone that finds a hand...call or = email me in KC. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D22064132-d759-49ea-bfc9-4e= a2576b963f tirediron posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Started, but only got a little way down the tracks. Did you know trains = travel both directions on the tracks? [:O] (Note to self: Look the = other way once in a while) Anyway, they were able to re-attach my hand = and the Doctor says I will soon be able to play the piano (Which is = totally cool 'cause I never could before). Need lots of 'George dollars = to pay hospital bills... Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Da6abf868-c235-4ea2-b6e8-63= 2a3e4090cb ddirgo found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 TNLN. It was easier than I expected. I just have this question: who was = the naked guy, and what was he doing with those parakeets? Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dd0171a9a-8aeb-437a-a1a5-77= 1e17a571b7 Petite Elite found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 While digging around for this cache, I needed more gerbils for the = snakes in my backyard, I heard a sound in the distance that sounded like = the world famous DDA40X (GCAD98) locomotive. As I concentrated on the = find, the sound got louder unitl I noticed it was coming right toward = me. I jumped as it roard by, clutching the log book. Grabbed a quick = photo of the engine while signing the log. Thanks for a great hide. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dcc4a9e26-21dc-4747-88a1-d7= c3cb681886 Halden found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Despite the lack of food, water or air holes the Gerbil seems OK. Didn't = have too much trouble but the drive from Ottawa was a killer! TNLNDNSL Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8b70f2d6-11e7-42e4-89a2-fe= 91409e222c Lightning1996YCJP found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 WOW that train is loud!! I had to dig in several spots and tear up 3 = ties and both rails before I found the ammo can, what a great camo job = by the way, just in time for the railroad guy on that silly = teeter-totter cart to come by and arrest me. Good thing there is = Internet access in this jail so I can log the find. I was able to grab = some of the bubble gum just before they replaced the ties and rails, and = I left a loaded .380 with an extra magazine (hollow point of course!) Now I have to figure out a way to make bail AND buy an airplane ticket = back to AZ, I'm for sure not riding the rails after what I jsut saw = (did?) ! :-) Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D589074e5-97bd-4ea8-a133-8f= 926074762b The Cheeseheads found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 After signing the log, I noticed the little gerbil wandering about. I = remembered that I had a spare travel bug tag in my pack, to I pulled it = out, attached it to the little feller and tossed him back into the = charred and smoking container. I think some maintenance may be in order = for this one. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D564a6a2d-6947-42ce-8ba4-a1= 54a18e5eba uperdooper found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 finally found it. geez! this is the hardest cache i've ever done. i'm = saying i found it because my GPSr zero'ed out when i got there, but the = place was such a mess. a huge crater, official looking people = everywhere, small animal parts, and metal all over the place. posting = this as a find even though i couldn't sign the log. i hope this isn't = deleted because i know it was the right place and i was close enough to = it to claim a find. strange guy with horns still wandering around. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D37d74d0e-a0db-4fa2-9b4b-f4= 670c52a696 KSWader found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Found cache after hours of searching and digging with a shovel. Cache = is in terrible condition. Seems the heat built up in the ammobox and = the gerbils are now dead and bloated. Did not have my cache repair kit = with me a it is sitting at home in Kansas. Next finder will have some = cleaning up of the cache to do. Make sure the next person brings rubber = gloves, HAZMAT kit and a new dry log book. Took nothing Left quarter. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D0ce4aacb-ca74-40b4-88f1-a3= d313283908 Cache & Keri posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Just stopped by to pick up the gerbil T.B. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D2b9da437-3897-4c62-b856-8d= a36d049865 Doc-Dean found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 While attending a conference today, I saw a demonstration of a virtual = surgery application. After explaining geocaching to the operator, he = agreed to allow me to handle the controls. Manuvering the bot into = position was the most difficult aspect, but once we got into place it = was a cinch using the multiple tools this baby has on its 4 hands to get = into the cache and sign the log. Took nothing, may have dropped a dirty = needle from hand #2. um... just take some Cipro if you comen into = contact with the needle and avoid direct sunlight for 17 hours. If you = have any complications... um... oh... nevermind. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D76d0f4d6-28bd-4390-b937-b3= ea93391b36 ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C41CDC.383D70B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For those who haven't seen them and = want to, here=20 are MOST of the logs from the cache:=20

sledgehampster found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Found a gerbil wondering around in = a daze=20 so I mailed him to Michael Jackson as a gift. TFTH!

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TheSkulls found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Geez, the traffic in the metropolis of Orange City was = horrendous at 5am so had to go home and sleep for a few days before = trying this=20 one again. Cache was hard to find as someone was sleeping on the spot of = the=20 cache. It turned out to be John Tesh who had heard that he had a = fan who=20 had actually copied his cd's. Was distraught and disappointed that = it=20 wasn't me, but after telling him I'd seen he's mural painted above = hiddenrock's fireplace and giving him hiddenrocks' address and phone = number he=20 calmed down a bit. Was hard to open the cache container, but with = my=20 pocket acetylene torch I finally managed. Left some backstage passes to = the sold=20 out Yanni concert, took a coveted used tissue.

Thanks for the = cache=20 monkeez, don't believe we've found one of yours since attempting to = climb the=20 phone tower at your "Can You Hear Me Now" cache.

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WaldenRun found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Knowing the restrictions on active railroad tracks, I = was not=20 about to trespass. I called 911 about a suspicious container and their = bomb=20 squad blew up the cache. I caught the logbook as it flew by and signed = in. I=20 also took a boxcutter across the jugular and am feeling a bit faint... = argh,=20 THUNK!

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Jackie and Bob found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Well Cachemonkeez (aka Hammack, = aka Team=20 Hammack, aka Sers)... Caught the red eye from California last = night. Got=20 in this morning and the first thing I did was to rent a car and drive to = this=20 cache. What a mess. The NTSB guys had spotted the ammo box = and=20 called out the bomb squad. They were getting ready to detonate = what was=20 left of the container. I tried to stop them but was unable = to. 'All=20 I want to do is sign the log first'. 'Please'. boooom. = Oh well=20 maybe CacheMonkeez will allow me to log this as a find anyway. I = raced=20 back to the airport and caught the return plane home. I'll call = Jackie=20 later and tell her I was in town. If she doesn't believe me I'll = tell her=20 to read the log. Thanks for the fun. If you don't think I = earned=20 this then feel free to delete my log, or maybe you can have Crow T = change it to=20 a note, or maybe you can tell me to change it to a note. Gee is = this cache=20 hidden near hiddenrock's front yard?

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dead_white_man found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
When I arrived, all I found was a = crater,=20 some schrappnel from an ammo can and a log book.
SLTNLN
thanks for = the=20 excitement

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CacheMonkeez found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Went out to perform some = maintenance on=20 the cache (that's my favorite part of geocaching!). Moved the wreckage = out of=20 the way and restored the cache. Should be good to go.

I didn't = see=20 GreyMouser and J&B's names in the log so they should go back and = sign or=20 delete their logs.

..poor Gerbil

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fosterbass found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I woke up early this morning to the sound of my alarm = clock=20 beeping. I tried to turn it off, only it wouldn't stop. Suddenly I = realized I=20 was not in my bed. I was laying on the railroad tracks. I had dozed off = while=20 looking for this cache and now there was a huge train bearing down on = me. I=20 jumped out of the way then spotted the cache just before the train = passed. I=20 quickly reached back onto the tracks and grabbed the cache. = Unfortunately, the=20 wind of the passing train blew all the WheresGeorge money all over the = place.=20 There must have been a few dozen dollar bills in there. Anyway, thanks = for the=20 cache.

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webscouter. found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Thought I would drive down for = this one=20 early as I have found everything in Kansas City.

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Team Grizzly found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I think you need to change the = difficulty=20 rating - the crater gives away the position a little much for a = five. =20 Terrain however, is still treacherous. Signed remains of log - = left=20 signature assault riffle. Thanks for the fun.

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cool_librarian found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
As I am known far and wide as a = "cacher of=20 mercy," I arrived on the scene (after stopping by the hospital to visit=20 WaldenRun) with a new container stocked with a CL Instant Cache Kit, = READ=20 Stickers, handstamped bookmarks, and CL Magnets. There is also a first = aid kit=20 in there. I couldn't find any gerbils....

But, wouldn't you = know, by the=20 time I got there, a new box had been placed! Glad to see that SOME = people=20 maintain their caches. I hid this one down the tracks a bit and wrote = the coords=20 on the lid of the original cache - so now you have a multi!

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Divine posted a note for April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Hey...there's noting or no one = here... I'm=20 standing here at the coordinates right now; I have a mobile internet = connection.=20 Are these like the real coordinates? I mean, man, it cost helluva lot = dough to=20 come here from Finland, just for this cache.

Anyone? = Anyone?

I'm=20 the guy standing here beside the road, wearing black and, you know, = horned.[}:)]=20 Anyone? Come talk to me! Hey you there, come here! I can see your GPSr, = I know=20 you were coming this way! Come back!

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ThePropers found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004

Worst. Cache. Ever.

This turned = into=20 our most expensive cache hunt ever. We narrowly avoided escape due = to our=20 poor choice of parking (Please see picture). Once the EMS left, we = found=20 the cache with ease though. I was disappointed their were no = gerbils=20 left. Anyhoo, we took nothing, but left a rattlesnake. I'm = sure it=20 will have suffocated by the time the next cachers get to = it.

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Jackie and Bob posted a note for April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
OK CacheMonkeez.. I fessed = up to=20 Jackie and told her I flew to Florida just to find your cache and then = flew home=20 without stopping to see her. She was p..o..d to say the = least. =20 However when I explained that you wanted to delete our log because I = couldn't=20 sign the log, she graciously went to the new and updated cache and = signed the=20 log. While she was there she took this picture.

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Capaldo found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I had decided to spend a little time out of town after = placing=20 [URL=3Dhttp://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D0001d69c-= 7367-4516-8a94-ff76b2c2867f]this=20 cache[/URL], when I ran into some of Blueman's military buddies. They = were=20 giving me a ride in their nifty black helichopper when we were diverted = to this=20 site. They're certainly dedicated cachers; they had tons of cool = equipment and=20 even matching uniforms. I think their screen name is "Special Forces." = Anywho,=20 while they swarmed the area, they asked me to lie face down in the dirt = with my=20 hands cuffed behind my back. It seemed a little weird, but I know there = are=20 regional differences in the way people cache, so I didn't want to be = rude. Funny=20 thing though, I just so happened to be lying right on top of the log = book, so=20 with the blood from my cracked nose, I smeared my initials. Thanks for = the fun=20 cache. Now I think we're off to a Geo-Event at PAFB!

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Cache & Keri found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
After I saw that the "cool = librarians" had=20 converted this cache into a multi, I decided to give it another = shot. By=20 this time, there were emergency vehicles everywhere making it even more=20 difficult to access the cache. Unfortunately, not too many trade = items=20 remain...so anyone who intends to venture out to the cache should plan = on=20 re-stocking it. Give yourself an extra 3 hours due to the traffic=20 congestion caused by the train wreck and all the overturned = vehicles.

Hey=20 CacheMonkeez thanks for another super caching adventure.

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BCR found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log Date:=20 4/1/2004
I just followed the RR tracks from the nearby road. = BTW, I=20 thought caches weren't supposed to buried in U.S. National Parks? Also, = logbook=20 was wet. TN/LN/SL.

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GreyMouser & Gisela posted a note for April 1st (Unknown = (Mystery)=20 Cache) at 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Went back and signed the = new=20 log. Sorry CacheMonkeez we were just so excited at the FTF and all = the=20 goodies. We also wanted to try to find a good home for the = Gerbils. =20 By the way, we took 2 Gerbils, but when we got home, we had 10.=20 [}:)]

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Team GPSaxophone found April 1st (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I stopped by on my way to work to = snag=20 this one. I don't think barbed wire necessarily make it a 5 for terrain. = I=20 suppose if you count the wire cutters I happened to have with me, that = would be=20 "special equipment".
The kids enjoyed tagging along. They said it is = much=20 more fun than daycare. My youngest was small enough to retrieve the = cache while=20 the train went by just inches above his head. I'll start packing helmets = in my=20 backpack for your next cache.
Took the 44" Super Swampers, they'll = look great=20 on my Suburban once I get it raised a few more inches. Left a squished = penny and=20 a hampster (sorry Lep, I just can't keep him. Hope you don't = mind)

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The Cow Spots posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Not sure whether I should keep = this as a=20 find or not. Managed to find the cache with three of my friends, cause = we heard=20 there was a dead body in the vicinity. Unfortunately my friend Vern = dropped his=20 comb, as I didn't notice the train barrelling my way. I managed to avoid = the=20 train (see attached pic by my friend Chris) but dropped the cache over = the=20 edge. Hope another cacher finds it.

--Gordon = LaChance

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CacheMonkeez found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Sax,
Was that the penny and the = gerbil=20 that were squished, or just the penny?

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Scoobie10 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I saw this one pop up on my = cachescope and=20 decided to hop in my new H2 and and head from Southern Illinois (I would = never=20 have gone if I were from Chicago because it just would have been too far = to=20 drive). Anyway, there's not much left of the cache or anything = else for=20 that matter. I decided to replace the cache so I pulled a 55 = gallon drum=20 (formally used to store high octane racing fuel. Sorry about the smell, = I didn't=20 get a chance to clean it first)from my backpack and covered it with = booby-traps=20 to keep out the muggles. The cache is now restocked with BRAND NEW = razor=20 blades. Lots of offical looking people around, not sure what = they're up=20 to.

Thanks for the adventure.

Took: Big toe that I found = on the=20 ground to convert in to a keycahin.

Left: Some old, out dated = medications=20 that I had laying around. I'm not sure what they're for but they = are very=20 colorful.

Scoobie

ZOINKS!

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golefts found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
in the name of all that is humane and the Society for = the=20 Protection of Poisonous Snakes, I stopped by to retrieve the rattler and = return=20 him to Arizona where we need more snakes. Thankfully he survived = quite=20 well on squished gerbils and the cache is now empty of living = things. SL;=20 took the snake and left a few weapoons of mass destruction.

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CCDAWG found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Needed to get to the coast for a business trip to=20 Columbia(leaving in the middle of the night), and thought a caching = adventure=20 was a good idea. after getting to the site,i realized that this one = would take=20 awhile, so took some "performance enhancing stimulants" to get thru this = one. I=20 finally found after a all-nighters of caching! All i can say is....watch = out for=20 that Dang train...anyone that finds a hand...call or email me in=20 KC.

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tirediron posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Started, but only got a little way = down=20 the tracks. Did you know trains travel both directions on the=20 tracks? [:O] (Note to self: Look the other way once in = a=20 while) Anyway, they were able to re-attach my hand and the Doctor = says I=20 will soon be able to play the piano (Which is totally cool 'cause I = never could=20 before). Need lots of 'George dollars to pay hospital=20 bills...

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ddirgo found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
TNLN. It was easier than I expected. I just have this=20 question: who was the naked guy, and what was he doing with those=20 parakeets?

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Petite Elite found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
While digging around for this = cache, I=20 needed more gerbils for the snakes in my backyard, I heard a sound in = the=20 distance that sounded like the world famous DDA40X (GCAD98) = locomotive. As=20 I concentrated on the find, the sound got louder unitl I noticed it was = coming=20 right toward me. I jumped as it roard by, clutching the log = book. =20 Grabbed a quick photo of the engine while signing the log. Thanks = for a=20 great hide.

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Halden found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Despite the lack of food, water or air holes the = Gerbil seems=20 OK. Didn't have too much trouble but the drive from Ottawa was a=20 killer!

TNLNDNSL

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Lightning1996YCJP found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
WOW that train is loud!! I had to = dig in=20 several spots and tear up 3 ties and both rails before I found the ammo = can,=20 what a great camo job by the way, just in time for the railroad guy on = that=20 silly teeter-totter cart to come by and arrest me. Good thing there is = Internet=20 access in this jail so I can log the find. I was able to grab some of = the bubble=20 gum just before they replaced the ties and rails, and I left a loaded = .380 with=20 an extra magazine (hollow point of course!)
Now I have to figure out = a way to=20 make bail AND buy an airplane ticket back to AZ, I'm for sure not riding = the=20 rails after what I jsut saw (did?) ! :-)

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The Cheeseheads found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
After signing the log, I noticed = the=20 little gerbil wandering about. I remembered that I had a spare travel = bug tag in=20 my pack, to I pulled it out, attached it to the little feller and tossed = him=20 back into the charred and smoking container. I think some maintenance = may be in=20 order for this one.

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uperdooper found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
finally found it. = geez! this=20 is the hardest cache i've ever done. i'm saying i found it because my = GPSr=20 zero'ed out when i got there, but the place was such a mess. a = huge=20 crater, official looking people everywhere, small animal parts, and = metal all=20 over the place. posting this as a find even though i couldn't sign = the=20 log. i hope this isn't deleted because i know it was the right = place and i=20 was close enough to it to claim a find. strange guy with horns still = wandering=20 around.

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KSWader found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Found cache after hours of searching and digging with = a=20 shovel. Cache is in terrible condition. Seems the heat built = up in=20 the ammobox and the gerbils are now dead and bloated. Did not have = my=20 cache repair kit with me a it is sitting at home in Kansas. Next = finder=20 will have some cleaning up of the cache to do. Make sure the next = person=20 brings rubber gloves, HAZMAT kit and a new dry log book. Took = nothing Left=20 quarter.

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Cache & Keri posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Just stopped by to pick up the = gerbil=20 T.B.

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Doc-Dean found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
While attending a conference today, I saw a = demonstration of a=20 virtual surgery application. After explaining geocaching to the = operator,=20 he agreed to allow me to handle the controls. Manuvering the bot = into=20 position was the most difficult aspect, but once we got into place it = was a=20 cinch using the multiple tools this baby has on its 4 hands to get into = the=20 cache and sign the log. Took nothing, may have dropped a dirty = needle from=20 hand #2. um... just take some Cipro if you comen into contact with = the=20 needle and avoid direct sunlight for 17 hours. If you have any=20 complications... um... oh... nevermind.

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------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C41CDC.383D70B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 03:09:28 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:09:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa 3/? Message-ID: <004a01c41d16$e7c945b0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C41CDC.3B123B90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bigredmed found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Was going to take the gerbils to sell to some guys I know that really = seem to go through their gerbils fast, but they weren't interested. They = just fondled the travel bug and gave your email address to some friends = of theirs who grow weed in that park, they want to talk to you about the = trail of geocachers disturbing the "vegetation" on the way to the cache. April Fools! Good one. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dd0e6bd5b-4a0d-46b9-a3a4-70= b2f8e07cab DavidMac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Good thing about being a pilots son is I can fly just about anywhere for = almost free. The TSA wasn't too happy about the grenades and case of box = cutters that I tried to bring with me to leave in the cache, so I had to = leave them behind in Tennessee[:(!]. Instead I left a few cents pocket = change and a used stick of gum, and took one of the Glocks. This was = after I pulled aside some kids that were walking down the tracks and had = them help me locate the cache. The container was already damp and the = logbook was wet, so I just left it out in the open to dry.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D1f35b5c2-d13f-47f2-9f2a-41= 55a17ddcfe canadazuuk requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Someone had to press the button. [:D] Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D10bbf05e-1a9b-482e-a076-1f= e6a64f462a bigredmed posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 When I went there, I must have caused someone to call 911 to get the = bomb squad there. When they saw the "vegetation", they thought it was = mine. I tried to convince them that I was just geocaching. They = arrested me anyway. I am typing this log with a pencil held in my = teeth. Help! Send Bail Money! ;) Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dbc85f531-2495-457e-93cc-94= ccd72a2e66 Nurse Dave found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Pst. It's still there! You guys need to clean all this up before you = go to bed. [:P] I took the Hummer keys and left some gold bullion. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D920ed3d0-88a4-47df-9628-57= fe46c3997d Cache & Keri posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 HEY...SylvrStorm that was me you shot at!! Just wanted you to know that = after I completed the micro, I found your toe and fed it to a gator in a = nearby pond! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D9cb8d26a-e2cd-4ac1-ac12-51= 9e0bcaf78e Strohem found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I was headed south of Deland today to pick up an airplane from my cousin = to take to my brother for the opening of his new restaurant north of = Tampa. After landing at PIE, I just couldn't resist. I rented a car = and headed out to find the cache. It took a little longer then I = thought but only because there were a few distractions along the way. = Apparently I ran over a gerbil...ugh! Then I picked up a hitch-hiker = (which my mother has always told me NOT to do) but she was really HOT! = After dropping her off at Bubba's Shrimp Shack I was able to find the = cache pretty easily. Duh! Did you take a good look around at that = mess?!?! I felt so bad about the gerbil I ran over that I decided the = cache would make a good burial ground for him. Sorry! I also left a = pair of fingernail clippers with a nail file on it. Are those things = out-lawed now? Happy Caching! Strohem Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Df69b7f34-e3d2-4cc6-a330-b5= 97953010e0 hazzmatt found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Was abe to reach GZ with my Argonne Tandem Linac Accelerator System. Almost over shot cache site, due to my space to Earth ratio was off by = 12%.(Note to self: change bong h2o) neverless made entry with the 12 million volt electrostatic Tandem Van = Graaff injector accelerator. "You know it's still fun at my age to see those GeV electrons smashing = into the 3.1 GeV positrons!" Took- only the understanding not to do anymore evil,to cultivate good,to = purify one's mind Sign log book that was shot. Powerd up again,made smooth return home on the zephyrs of the warm west = winds. Peace to all / Dr.HazZMatT /professor emeritus Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D5bfd400a-3018-49f8-b910-80= 11410e8191 Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 You know, it is our vacation and what better way to spend it than down = here at this great cache! We reached the destination without any problems, but you know how those = park people are with their regulations. Sheesh. So we gave them some = lame excuse about looking for our nephew's keys and they let us go and = dig up the terrain with our shovels. After a couple of hours, we found = the cache. I know our Garmin is correct, but your coordinates are like = 200 feet off. Or is that because of everyone else who just had to rehide = it in a better place than they found it. Well we decided to rehide it in = the patch of poison ivy we saw about 50 feet away, much better = camoflage. Good luck to the next cachers who look for it.=20 Being pharmacists, we had to snag those multicolored pills to sell on = the internet for some real cash, after all gas aint cheap any more. = Thanks for such a great trade item.[:D] We left the trash we found in = our rent-a-car, and a collection of match books from our motel room.=20 Thanks for a great cache. Too bad the area is so ugly and torn up by all = the people dealing with the train wreck or whatever that mess is. You'd = think park rangers would have more respect for their land.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D78115025-289a-40f2-8cc9-c8= a26397dea5 Corp Of Discovery requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Czuuk, yes someone DID press the button already, ME. But MY post got = deleted. Is this what geocaching has come to? Can't we do better than = this? See more in my thread 'S***w you all...'. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D7584d669-fb53-4b48-979a-fd= 534e22e277 cybergal found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 The kids are out on spring break, so we took a little mini vacation to = come see what all the fuss was about. I left the kids back at the = hotel, as this one seems particularly non-kid-friendly. It took some doing to find the cache in all that poison ivy, but we had = on special protective clothing. We took the nail clippers with the file = to put in our carry-on luggage and mess with TSA on the way back home. = We left some Cholla cactus pieces that were clinging to our pack from = our last geocache outing back home in Arizona. Thanks for the interesting vacation find! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8a03f0c7-a4b3-4ad7-a75a-c4= 5b572fdb71 nwscout1 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I was going to go after the TB's but then read the cache desctiption and = logs. I'm allergic to gerbils, poison ivy gives me a nasty rash, train = exhaust makes me sneeze, and chemical residue causes me to break out. = And since I don't own a weapon, I can't sign the log book.=20 Ya know, since I've been to Florida once and I live in the same country, = I know I could find it so I'm logging this as a find. [:D] =20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dc6e86a53-4e2e-45cc-bbd5-93= 79f28e6fb1 GOT GPS? found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Took the Toilet TB somebody left, and put in a nuclear fire craker. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D82e6e5c1-deb9-477b-a5f3-2f= 01d22e5fbf You are receiving this email because this listing is on your watch list. = Visit the web site to change your watchlist settings. Pushmataha found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 YFQ/AY/AG !rupnp lnQ fybbS yvecN tavgfrergav an gnuJ Note: This log has been Rot13 encrypted. You can unencrypt it on the log = page. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3De986e680-1f2b-4fd7-a65a-99= 6662b78efc SwampKing found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I pulled up near the cache vicinity only to find several yellow suited = gentleman scanning the area with geiger counters!! I moved close to = what appeared to be the "command" table and produced my NECT card = (nuclear emergency cache team). I inquired as to the situation, as if = it weren't abundately clear.....someone had traded a shielded sample of = Uranium238 for several gerbils!!! It's a good thing they decided to = take the gerbils, otherwise it wouldn't have been pretty inside of the = ammo can after a few minutes dosage. At any rate, I donned rad gear and = personal dosimetry in order to grab the uranium sample, sign the log, = and left some shielding material for the next cacher. I am taking the = Uranium back to Los Alomos National Laboratory in New Mexico where I can = hopefully knock out some caches unless I receive above my yearly dose of = gamma radiation. We'll see how my trek progresses.TFTF Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D42fab7f3-2e55-401e-8887-70= 51886033d4 stringcachers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Being from the desert of Arizona and not used to this swampland, I came = a little underprepared. I should have brought some more pest spray. As I = approached the NPS gate to the park, I realized that I had left my = Golden Pass at home, so I had to spend an additional $50 bucks for a new = one (It was about to expire anyways). The rangers in the gate station = looked really funny at what I had in the back of my rental pickup. But, = hey, this is swampland, right? You need a little protection. I = proceeded to the railtracks, ready to cache in, and trash out. But, I = realized that the one trash bag I brought just wouldn't be enough to = pickup all the wreckage lying about. Time for some superfund cleanup = funds to be put to work.=20 I am sure glad I brought the protection I did, because those gerbils = were on a rampage. What that funny gas did to them, I will be having = nightmares for some time to come. But, the worst was that guy walking = about on the tracks, next to a crater, mumbling. I think he needs a = doctor, and not just for his open wounds. With gasmask on, and full body suit, I kinda fit in with the various = "official looking" folks wandering about. They were saying things like = "bomb squad", "gun control", "nuke eh all". I slipped by, and using my = trusty Garmin, was able to zero in on the new coords in the poison ivy = rather quickly. You know, however, that the second spot on the multi = needs some redoing. The rain was washing the blood away, and I could = hardly read the coords. I took the rattlesnake skin (the fangs were torn off - poor thing), and = left my signature item - a string of fireworks.=20 Thanks for the fun cache. Now, only some 2500 miles from home, can I = just go straight nw from here? Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D7fa6110d-38a3-4439-9849-23= 182aadaed0 Dudeface found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I parachuted in from the international space station, thus bypassing all = security, and avoiding the scrutiny of any nearby muggles. In a full = environmental suit, I was on a mission to rescue the gerbils. It didn't take long, no one was expecting my attack from above. Into the = geobag they went, along with some sunflower seeds to keep them happy. In = their place I left mobious strip and a klein jar. I signed the log. Already looking the part, I whistled a happy tune and strolled out. Great cache. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8e44e11c-e5c2-4bfd-8630-af= 897ae92696 ShowStop found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I tried chartering a flight, but couldn't get past the security = checkpoint with my geocaching gear. Not to worry, I called up my friend = Michael Knight who drove over in KITT. We loaded up and hit the road. = Michael activated 'Super Pursuit Mode' and we were zipping across the = country at 325mph. Finally as we neared the cache site, we found the = enormous crater as mentioned in the previous logs. KITT automatically = activated 'Turbo Boost' and we jumped over the crater. I reached out and = signed the log boot as we jumped over. Took us for a ride and left you = all in the dust. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D5ea46fe3-6a81-41ea-8f69-88= b8c94d6443 Captain Chaoss found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Phew !!! Man, does it stink around this cache !! [xx(] This site = definitely needs put on the CITO event roster. But, the trading is choice ! I can't believe how much better stocked = these southern caches are. Unfortunately, I wasn't prepared for the = trade up scene here, so signed log and left booklet " Financial = Independence in 30 days or less - Meth Making Made Easy." By Titusville = PA printshop. Thanks for the cache. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db156dc01-e3d5-4042-9d37-83= 27b8176603 ventura_kids found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 The bomb squad was just arriving as we left. Not much chance of this one = hanging around for years and years. Although it has accurate = coordinates, we still had difficulty getting thru the crowds of = onlookers to sign the logbook. Thanks. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Def63d569-0124-4125-9dfb-ea= cb914807f8 ventura_kids posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 just dropping off a travel bug. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Ddaa22693-7bb4-4278-b524-93= ab22930aec Bravesfan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Sledgehampster called me as soon as he got back. I jumped into my jet = powered Peterbilt and hauled that beer from Texarkana. Yeah watch the = Bandit run!! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D110a18da-2e51-4ac5-8ce0-98= daa4289c39 StressMaster found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 What a great find. for a numbers ho.. had to run my butt off to stay = ahead of the bomb squad but we got in and SL just before they did the = sniff test on it.. was ever glad that we took the snacks to help with = the fat burn of the run... great day running to and from home... almost = tripped over all the trash. CITO required.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dce793eae-62cd-4bef-9a3c-af= 19bc9994fa ------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C41CDC.3B123B90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

bigredmed found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Was going to take the gerbils to = sell to=20 some guys I know that really seem to go through their gerbils fast, but = they=20 weren't interested. They just fondled the travel bug and gave your email = address=20 to some friends of theirs who grow weed in that park, they want to talk = to you=20 about the trail of geocachers disturbing the "vegetation" on the way to = the=20 cache.

April Fools!

Good one.

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DavidMac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Good thing about being a pilots son is I can fly just = about=20 anywhere for almost free. The TSA wasn't too happy about the grenades = and case=20 of box cutters that I tried to bring with me to leave in the cache, so I = had to=20 leave them behind in Tennessee[:(!]. Instead I left a few cents pocket = change=20 and a used stick of gum, and took one of the Glocks. This was after I = pulled=20 aside some kids that were walking down the tracks and had them help me = locate=20 the cache. The container was already damp and the logbook was wet, so I = just=20 left it out in the open to dry.

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canadazuuk requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived=20 at 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Someone had to press the = button.=20 [:D]

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bigredmed posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
When I went there, I must have = caused=20 someone to call 911 to get the bomb squad there. When they saw the = "vegetation", they thought it was mine. I tried to convince them = that I=20 was just geocaching. They arrested me anyway. I am typing = this log=20 with a pencil held in my teeth. Help! Send Bail=20 Money!

;)

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Nurse Dave found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Pst. It's still there! = You=20 guys need to clean all this up before you go to bed. [:P]

I = took=20 the Hummer keys and left some gold bullion.

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Cache & Keri posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
HEY...SylvrStorm that was me you = shot=20 at!! Just wanted you to know that after I completed the micro, I = found=20 your toe and fed it to a gator in a nearby pond!

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Strohem found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I was headed south of Deland today to pick up an = airplane from=20 my cousin to take to my brother for the opening of his new restaurant = north of=20 Tampa. After landing at PIE, I just couldn't resist. I = rented a car=20 and headed out to find the cache. It took a little longer then I = thought=20 but only because there were a few distractions along the way. = Apparently I=20 ran over a gerbil...ugh! Then I picked up a hitch-hiker (which my = mother=20 has always told me NOT to do) but she was really HOT! After = dropping her=20 off at Bubba's Shrimp Shack I was able to find the cache pretty easily.=20 Duh! Did you take a good look around at that mess?!?! I felt = so bad=20 about the gerbil I ran over that I decided the cache would make a good = burial=20 ground for him. Sorry! I also left a pair of fingernail = clippers=20 with a nail file on it. Are those things out-lawed = now?

Happy=20 Caching!   Strohem

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hazzmatt found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Was abe to reach GZ with my Argonne Tandem Linac = Accelerator=20 System.
Almost over shot cache site, due to my space to Earth ratio = was off=20 by 12%.(Note to self: change bong h2o)
neverless made entry = with the 12=20 million volt electrostatic Tandem Van Graaff injector = accelerator.
"You know=20 it's still fun at my age to see those GeV electrons smashing into the = 3.1 GeV=20 positrons!"
Took- only the understanding not to do anymore evil,to = cultivate=20 good,to purify one's mind
Sign log book that was shot.
Powerd up=20 again,made smooth return home on the zephyrs of the warm west = winds.
Peace to=20 all / Dr.HazZMatT /professor emeritus

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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
You know, it is our vacation and = what=20 better way to spend it than down here at this great cache!

We = reached the=20 destination without any problems, but you know how those park people are = with=20 their regulations. Sheesh. So we gave them some lame excuse about = looking for=20 our nephew's keys and they let us go and dig up the terrain with our = shovels.=20 After a couple of hours, we found the cache. I know our Garmin is = correct, but=20 your coordinates are like 200 feet off. Or is that because of everyone = else who=20 just had to rehide it in a better place than they found it. Well we = decided to=20 rehide it in the patch of poison ivy we saw about 50 feet away, much = better=20 camoflage. Good luck to the next cachers who look for it.

Being=20 pharmacists, we had to snag those multicolored pills to sell on the = internet for=20 some real cash, after all gas aint cheap any more. Thanks for such a = great trade=20 item.[:D] We left the trash we found in our rent-a-car, and a collection = of=20 match books from our motel room.

Thanks for a great cache. Too = bad the=20 area is so ugly and torn up by all the people dealing with the train = wreck or=20 whatever that mess is. You'd think park rangers would have more respect = for=20 their land.

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Corp Of Discovery requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) to=20 be archived at 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Czuuk, yes someone = DID=20 press the button already, ME. But MY post got deleted. Is this what = geocaching=20 has come to? Can't we do better than this? See more in my thread 'S***w = you=20 all...'.

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cybergal found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
The kids are out on spring break, so we took a little = mini=20 vacation to come see what all the fuss was about. I left the kids = back at=20 the hotel, as this one seems particularly non-kid-friendly.

It = took some=20 doing to find the cache in all that poison ivy, but we had on special = protective=20 clothing. We took the nail clippers with the file to put in our = carry-on=20 luggage and mess with TSA on the way back home. We left some = Cholla cactus=20 pieces that were clinging to our pack from our last geocache outing back = home in=20 Arizona.

Thanks for the interesting vacation find!

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nwscout1 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I was going to go after the TB's but then read the = cache=20 desctiption and logs. I'm allergic to gerbils, poison ivy gives me = a nasty=20 rash, train exhaust makes me sneeze, and chemical residue causes me to = break=20 out. And since I don't own a weapon, I can't sign the log book. =

Ya know,=20 since I've been to Florida once and I live in the same country, I know I = could=20 find it so I'm logging this as a find. [:D]

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GOT GPS? found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Took the Toilet TB somebody left, and put in a nuclear = fire=20 craker.

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Pushmataha = found=20 Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004

Log Date:=20 4/1/2004
YFQ/AY/AG !rupnp lnQ fybbS yvecN tavgfrergav an = gnuJ

Note:=20 This log has been Rot13 encrypted. You can unencrypt it on the log=20 page.

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SwampKing found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I pulled up near the cache = vicinity only=20 to find several yellow suited gentleman scanning the area with geiger=20 counters!! I moved close to what appeared to be the "command" = table and=20 produced my NECT card (nuclear emergency cache team). I inquired = as to the=20 situation, as if it weren't abundately clear.....someone had traded a = shielded=20 sample of Uranium238 for several gerbils!!! It's a good thing they = decided=20 to take the gerbils, otherwise it wouldn't have been pretty inside of = the ammo=20 can after a few minutes dosage. At any rate, I donned rad gear and = personal dosimetry in order to grab the uranium sample, sign the log, = and left=20 some shielding material for the next cacher. I am taking the = Uranium back=20 to Los Alomos National Laboratory in New Mexico where I can hopefully = knock out=20 some caches unless I receive above my yearly dose of gamma = radiation. =20 We'll see how my trek progresses.TFTF

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stringcachers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Being from the desert of Arizona = and not=20 used to this swampland, I came a little underprepared. I should have = brought=20 some more pest spray. As I approached the NPS gate to the park, I = realized that=20 I had left my Golden Pass at home, so I had to spend an additional $50 = bucks for=20 a new one (It was about to expire anyways). The rangers in the gate = station=20 looked really funny at what I had in the back of my rental pickup. But, = hey,=20 this is swampland, right? You need a little protection.   I = proceeded=20 to the railtracks, ready to cache in, and trash out. But, I realized = that the=20 one trash bag I brought just wouldn't be enough to pickup all the = wreckage lying=20 about. Time for some superfund cleanup funds to be put to work.
I am = sure=20 glad I brought the protection I did, because those gerbils were on a = rampage.=20 What that funny gas did to them, I will be having nightmares for some = time to=20 come. But, the worst was that guy walking about on the tracks, = next to a=20 crater, mumbling. I think he needs a doctor, and not just for his open=20 wounds.
With gasmask on, and full body suit, I kinda fit in with the = various=20 "official looking" folks wandering about. They were saying things like = "bomb=20 squad", "gun control", "nuke eh all". I slipped by, and using my trusty = Garmin,=20 was able to zero in on the new coords in the poison ivy rather quickly. = You=20 know, however, that the second spot on the multi needs some redoing. The = rain=20 was washing the blood away, and I could hardly read the coords.
I = took the=20 rattlesnake skin (the fangs were torn off - poor thing), and left my = signature=20 item - a string of fireworks.
Thanks for the fun cache. Now, only = some 2500=20 miles from home, can I just go straight nw from here?

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Dudeface found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I parachuted in from the international space station, = thus=20 bypassing all security, and avoiding the scrutiny of any nearby muggles. = In a=20 full environmental suit, I was on a mission to rescue the = gerbils.

It=20 didn't take long, no one was expecting my attack from above. Into the = geobag=20 they went, along with some sunflower seeds to keep them happy. In their = place I=20 left mobious strip and a klein jar. I signed the log.

Already = looking the=20 part, I whistled a happy tune and strolled out.

Great=20 cache.

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ShowStop found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I tried chartering a flight, but couldn't get past the = security checkpoint with my geocaching gear. Not to worry, I called up = my friend=20 Michael Knight who drove over in KITT. We loaded up and hit the road. = Michael=20 activated 'Super Pursuit Mode' and we were zipping across the country at = 325mph.=20 Finally as we neared the cache site, we found the enormous crater as = mentioned=20 in the previous logs. KITT automatically activated 'Turbo Boost' and we = jumped=20 over the crater. I reached out and signed the log boot as we jumped = over. Took=20 us for a ride and left you all in the dust.

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Captain Chaoss found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Phew !!! Man, does it stink around = this=20 cache !! [xx(] This site definitely needs put on the CITO = event=20 roster.

But, the trading is choice ! I can't believe how much = better=20 stocked these southern caches are. Unfortunately, I wasn't prepared for = the=20 trade up scene here, so signed log and left booklet " Financial = Independence in=20 30 days or less - Meth Making Made Easy." By Titusville PA=20 printshop.

Thanks for the cache.

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ventura_kids found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
The bomb squad was just arriving = as we=20 left. Not much chance of this one hanging around for years and years. = Although=20 it has accurate coordinates, we still had difficulty getting thru the = crowds of=20 onlookers to sign the logbook. Thanks.

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ventura_kids posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
just dropping off a travel=20 bug.

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Bravesfan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Sledgehampster called me as soon = as he got=20 back. I jumped into my jet powered Peterbilt and hauled that beer from=20 Texarkana. Yeah watch the Bandit run!!

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StressMaster found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
What a great find. for a numbers = ho.. had=20 to run my butt off to stay ahead of the bomb squad but we got in and SL = just=20 before they did the sniff test on it.. was ever glad that we = took=20 the snacks to help with the fat burn of the run... great day running to = and from=20 home... almost tripped over all the trash. CITO required.

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------=_NextPart_000_0044_01C41CDC.3B123B90-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 03:09:28 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:09:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa 4/? Message-ID: <004b01c41d16$e84c7f70$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C41CDC.3B65B2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable suemac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 This cache is a big joke. Don't do it, I'm going to report the cache = owner to Geocaching.com and ask that they be banned from the web site. = What a rip! I got up early this morning and sat down with my Wheaties at the PC to = catch up on the nefga.com forums. What's this new message on the forum? = CacheFlorida.com is back in service? Whoa, I can find this new cache and = see the grand old site in all its glory? Where do I sign up?=20 Don't get me wrong - I'm not a cache addict, I can stop at any time. I = can. Really, I can. I could stop tomorrow if I wanted to ... I just = don't want to. I will admit, though: I miss CacheFlorida - especially = the stats. Just when I was about to close in on Clan_Barron and 2LuknF8 = (you know they've been faking logs - there's no way they can stay ahead = of this caching machine without faking logs - it's not fair, there = should be a law or something!) the site went away. Whoa, baby, major = withdrawal! Now I have to sit up late at night figuring out how many = points I have and whether I've moved up in the standings BY HAND.=20 So when I see this cache come active, you know I'm going. I figured = maybe they had a laptop with a wireless connection or something rigged = so cacher could check the CF site again - I mean, what a great idea for = a cache! So I threw the kids in the trunk and we headed for Deltona at = once - school? we don't need no stinkin' school today! We gotta get to = CacheFlorida!=20 The area of the cache was easy to find - there was wreckage everywhere, = yellow tape, huge craters in the ground, red lights everywhere. A SWAT = team was holding a couple of huge gerbils at bay with anti-tank missles. = No sweat, I've done harder caches than this. Slunk past the cops, around = the crater, down in the ditch by the tracks - ah, is that the dull gleam = of an ammo can? Eureka! I grab that puppy and pop it open - what? No = CacheFlorida? Only a lousy TB and a blood-stained log. I wanted to throw = it to the ground and smash it to bits - what a waste of time - but my = cache training held and I stabbed my name onto the log and rehid the = cache.=20 You wait, though, Mr CacheMonkeez. No more hiding Evil Micros for = height-challenged cachers for you - your days of devious and deceitful = cache hiding are over! Wait until THE JEREMY gets you - you will rue = this hide!=20 TNLNSL. Thanks! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D97d96675-5893-4581-9e38-0c= 8bf97f1032 Amtraker found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Flew out here as fast as I could (see photo) but couldn't get the FTF. = In fact the log book is almost full! T: Bubble Gum L: Plastic Explosives Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Df184dc1f-e36b-4a77-960a-80= 9bd4f3a2b5 MJinFL found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/2/2004 Log Date: 4/2/2004 Found this cache tomorrow(Check the date. I'm that good). The map made = it look like it was near my house, so I put the coordinates in the ol' = GPSr and stepped out the front door to get a good signal. The cache was = behind me somewhere...Hmm. Searched for 2 hours before I found it under = my couch(no signal in the house, you see). I never knew that national = park OR railroad track was there. I bought the house in September and = thought it was just noisy pipes! Sorry about the gerbils. I thought they = were rats and called Terminix[:o]. And I wanna know which one of you took my beer!!! Carleenp is currently = the primary suspect... And I sure hope that whoever took those equine meds made sure they = grabbed the documentation...[xx(] Took nothing, left everything(it's my house, after all), and it turns = out most of you were signing the notepad I keep by the phone... Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D932de9db-4430-4aa8-bc02-bb= d696c07cd0 Captain Chaoss posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 OK, I hate to complain , and I really hate to have to add to the image = of a "sue-happy America", but I have an issue here. I log the cache, I = leave a booklet even though I thought I took nothing, and hop in my Jeep = to head home. Not more than 2 miles down the road, I get accosted by a glowing gerbil. = This thing was FEROCIOUS ! Not only am I now covered with tiny claw = marks, that insane thing tried touching my un-mentionables. Thank = goodness the top was down on the Jeep. I siezed the grouuchy little = vermin by the nape of his/her (?) neck, which is no easy feat mind you, = and sailed him out the back. You think that stops him ? NO ! Like the = liquid metal Terminator that Guv' Arnold had to beat down, this crazy = thing starts chasing me up the road. Thank goodness for the mods on the = engine, and the increased ground clearance provided by Superlift and = some Firestone 32's. Well, I stopped off for a drink to relax my nerves, once the evil spawn = of rodent-dom gave up trying to jump into the tailpipe ( of the Jeep ) = at 85 miles an hour. Low and behold, there was the infamous CarleenP at = the bar. She too seems to be suffering some ill-effects from searching = out this cache. Well, after some sound legal advice, *** I AM taking = legal action against the railroad for not putting up warning signs about = the local "wildlife" they have. *** SIDENOTE: SOUND LEGAL ADVICE quoted verbatim - mrph beer shetl in park brds acidic listenrghd meds jink found rotghy = gerbil meds grth mro nessyd beer. im dat it pub. send hlp! Thanks Carleen ! P.S. CarleenP also is in a very impressionable state currently. I = convinced her I am more deserving of El Diablo's hiking staff than her = mother. [}:)] Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D548800c2-1603-44b9-bdbd-9b= b9dde1a328 Team Dakiba found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Purple Jeep, Purple Jeep! We had no problem finding this, the tracks led = right to the cache! TNLN, ran like heck.... Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dee7ffdc3-f21f-4893-a277-b3= 5a73ee888d TheWidget found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Yup it's still there, just follow the geo-tracks and you'll find it. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db9cf7970-3f4d-4f37-8657-90= 34bdf021ba Pain and Panic found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Well, we have been busted before, but not by a huge crowd! Impossible to = be discreet so we just decided to sign the log as fast as possible and = then get back on a plane to the West Coast. Great cache, thanks. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db96bfa8f-610e-43e3-aedf-24= 4b3437946a Doombot! found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 So we headed for this cache after work today, and the stangest this = happend by the tracks. A train came by and it had evil eyes and teeth = and a Pokemon riding on top of it. It was a "Doom-train" Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dfdbcdef5-b0f5-4c09-81d1-60= b2862c1fd1 Ackidge found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 phew a 5/5. the toughest I've ever done, but with TheWidget's help I = managed! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dcdf22ac0-33dd-4b2b-b313-28= 21656dd1e1 Team Evil Fish found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Thanks for the cache as I was in doubt if I and the rest of TEF were to = continue caching but after getting this we'll continue doing so. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D2687e1fc-e0a3-48c3-ae0f-bf= 471c60cb55 CondoMax found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I found it, but you'll be hearing from my lawyer. Whose idea was it to = put the live and irritable pygmy rattlesnake in the ammo box? It bit me = on the rekcep. Thanks A LOT for the cache!!! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D41824b39-6441-4708-a669-12= 857ab755e9 King Boreas found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Took the bubble gum, left a Fifth of Jack. T F T C Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dea63fdca-7fa3-4084-9976-89= bb4def7f7b Team Sprocket found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I was in the neighborhood and just happened to have a pick and shovel = with me so, in between dodging the trains, I dug up the cache, took all = of the contents and replaced them with exact replicas. I buried the = cache a little deeper than I found it. =20 -- Team Sprocket Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D95229273-bfed-4ecb-bb3c-fa= 6cee358bb2 Crow T Robot posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 This cache will self-destruct in 1 hour. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Da1260002-89c1-407e-825c-29= 0e5fcc6f42 moochie found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 started early this morning...boy, i've done some tough caches in my life = but this takes the cake...no wonder overrover didn't attempt this = one...finally took this one off the to-do list Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D27a4abe6-c9e3-4e19-b947-70= 626e57a388 Yorky Lovers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Afte finishing Da Domb, I spray painted the Moon Suit with a camopaint = job and slipped into the park at dusk. eTrex was all over the map but I = probed the entire length of the tracks and found it in about 5 mins. = Took the expired gerbil, at least I think it was a gerbil, it was pretty = dark. Left the Moon suit and a flame thrower (almost empty). The cache = is pretty full. Thanks for the hide Cachemonkees.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D4f90249e-aa06-4911-8525-ca= f3fbedf8c9 Cachefan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Man, this cache is popular!! First time I had to stand in line to log a = cache! Flew in from California this morning on my Concorde Jet (got a = great deal on eBay) and followed the geotrail to the cache. Pretty easy = to find now even with all the camo techniques being used. Very clever = by the way. Never seen body parts, rattlesnakes and gerbils used quite = like that. TFTC! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8b362cf9-c850-4d9f-995d-c1= 76b603f2d2 Moag Ohana found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 sorry I took so long I didnt have the cash to fly so I jumped on my = skateboard and kicked it all the way from Diamond Bar Ca. Boy I am I = tired!!! Found it easily with all the visits today. TNLNDNSL Mahalo and Aloha Moag Ohana Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D994d20d1-8fd5-48f0-ab07-3e= 993ff3ef72 Crow T Robot permanently archived Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Well, that was fun. Who gets the prize for the best log? And what do = you have planned for July 4th? Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D3342f945-b447-4edf-96dd-c3= 580f53b17b haraup found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 My GPS got me to the right spot (a long fast trip from Michigan) ... but = there was no bridge there, and no apparent cache ... just a lot of messy = debris and a yellow tape marked "Police Line-Do Not Cross", so I didn't. = Lots of frantic official-types running around. Since I didn't locate the = cache, I took nothing and left nothing (oh, yes, there was that little = bit of... oh, never mind). But I'm going to claim the cache anyway = since I DID get to the right spot. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Def1e6f65-5122-4170-a732-62= 621bc33d55 Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C41CDC.3B65B2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
suemac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
This cache is a big joke. Don't do it, I'm going to = report the=20 cache owner to Geocaching.com and ask that they be banned from the web = site.=20 What a rip!

I got up early this morning and sat down with my = Wheaties at=20 the PC to catch up on the nefga.com forums. What's this new message on = the=20 forum? CacheFlorida.com is back in service? Whoa, I can find this new = cache and=20 see the grand old site in all its glory? Where do I sign up? =

Don't get=20 me wrong - I'm not a cache addict, I can stop at any time. I can. = Really, I can.=20 I could stop tomorrow if I wanted to ... I just don't want to. I will = admit,=20 though: I miss CacheFlorida - especially the stats. Just when I was = about to=20 close in on Clan_Barron and 2LuknF8 (you know they've been faking logs - = there's=20 no way they can stay ahead of this caching machine without faking logs - = it's=20 not fair, there should be a law or something!) the site went away. Whoa, = baby,=20 major withdrawal! Now I have to sit up late at night figuring out how = many=20 points I have and whether I've moved up in the standings BY HAND. =

So=20 when I see this cache come active, you know I'm going. I figured maybe = they had=20 a laptop with a wireless connection or something rigged so cacher could = check=20 the CF site again - I mean, what a great idea for a cache! So I threw = the kids=20 in the trunk and we headed for Deltona at once - school? we don't need = no=20 stinkin' school today! We gotta get to CacheFlorida!

The area of = the=20 cache was easy to find - there was wreckage everywhere, yellow tape, = huge=20 craters in the ground, red lights everywhere. A SWAT team was holding a = couple=20 of huge gerbils at bay with anti-tank missles. No sweat, I've done = harder caches=20 than this. Slunk past the cops, around the crater, down in the ditch by = the=20 tracks - ah, is that the dull gleam of an ammo can? Eureka! I grab that = puppy=20 and pop it open - what? No CacheFlorida? Only a lousy TB and a = blood-stained=20 log. I wanted to throw it to the ground and smash it to bits - what a = waste of=20 time - but my cache training held and I stabbed my name onto the log and = rehid=20 the cache.

You wait, though, Mr CacheMonkeez. No more hiding = Evil Micros=20 for height-challenged cachers for you - your days of devious and = deceitful cache=20 hiding are over! Wait until THE JEREMY gets you - you will rue this = hide!=20

TNLNSL. Thanks!

Visit this listing at the below = address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D97d966= 75-5893-4581-9e38-0c8bf97f1032

Amtraker found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Flew out here as fast as I could (see photo) but = couldn't get=20 the FTF. In fact the log book is almost full!

T: Bubble = Gum
L:=20 Plastic Explosives

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http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Df184dc= 1f-e36b-4a77-960a-809bd4f3a2b5

MJinFL found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/2/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/2/2004
Found this cache tomorrow(Check the date. I'm that = good). The=20 map made it look like it was near my house, so I put the coordinates in = the ol'=20 GPSr and stepped out the front door to get a good signal. The cache was = behind=20 me somewhere...Hmm. Searched for 2 hours before I found it under my = couch(no=20 signal in the house, you see). I never knew that national park OR = railroad track=20 was there. I bought the house in September and thought it was just noisy = pipes!=20 Sorry about the gerbils. I thought they were rats and called=20 Terminix[:o].

And I wanna know which one of you took my beer!!! = Carleenp=20 is currently the primary suspect...

And I sure hope that whoever = took=20 those equine meds made sure they grabbed the = documentation...[xx(]

Took=20 nothing, left everything(it's my house, after all), and it turns out = most of you=20 were signing the notepad I keep by the phone...

Visit this = listing at the=20 below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D932de9= db-4430-4aa8-bc02-bbd696c07cd0

Captain Chaoss posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
OK, I hate to complain , and I = really hate=20 to have to add to the image of a "sue-happy America", but I have an = issue here.=20 I log the cache, I leave a booklet even though I thought I took nothing, = and hop=20 in my Jeep to head home.

Not more than 2 miles down the road, I = get=20 accosted by a glowing gerbil. This thing was FEROCIOUS ! Not only am I = now=20 covered with tiny claw marks, that insane thing tried touching my=20 un-mentionables. Thank goodness the top was down on the Jeep. I siezed = the=20 grouuchy little vermin by the nape of his/her (?) neck, which is no easy = feat=20 mind you, and sailed him out the back. You think that stops him ? NO ! = Like the=20 liquid metal Terminator that Guv' Arnold had to beat down, this = crazy=20 thing starts chasing me up the road. Thank goodness for the mods on the = engine,=20 and the increased ground clearance provided by Superlift and some = Firestone=20 32's.

Well, I stopped off for a drink to relax my nerves, once = the evil=20 spawn of rodent-dom gave up trying to jump into the tailpipe ( of the = Jeep ) at=20 85 miles an hour. Low and behold, there was the infamous CarleenP at the = bar.=20 She too seems to be suffering some ill-effects from searching out this = cache.=20 Well, after some sound legal advice, *** I AM taking legal action = against the=20 railroad for not putting up warning signs about the local "wildlife" = they=20 have.

*** SIDENOTE: SOUND LEGAL ADVICE quoted verbatim -
mrph = beer=20 shetl in park brds acidic listenrghd meds jink found rotghy gerbil meds = grth mro=20 nessyd beer. im dat it pub. send hlp!

Thanks Carleen = !

P.S.=20 CarleenP also is in a very impressionable state currently. I convinced = her I am=20 more deserving of El Diablo's hiking staff than her mother.=20 [}:)]

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Team Dakiba found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Purple Jeep, Purple Jeep! We had = no=20 problem finding this, the tracks led right to the cache!
TNLN, ran = like=20 heck....

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TheWidget found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Yup it's still there, just follow = the=20 geo-tracks and you'll find it.

Visit this listing at the below=20 address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db9cf79= 70-3f4d-4f37-8657-9034bdf021ba

Pain and Panic found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Well, we have been busted before, = but not=20 by a huge crowd! Impossible to be discreet so we just decided to sign = the log as=20 fast as possible and then get back on a plane to the West Coast. Great = cache,=20 thanks.

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Doombot! found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
So we headed for this cache after work today, and the = stangest=20 this happend by the tracks. A train came by and it had evil eyes and = teeth and a=20 Pokemon riding on top of it. It was a "Doom-train"

Visit this = listing at=20 the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dfdbcde= f5-b0f5-4c09-81d1-60b2862c1fd1

Ackidge found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
phew a 5/5. the toughest I've ever done, but with = TheWidget's=20 help I managed!

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http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dcdf22a= c0-33dd-4b2b-b313-2821656dd1e1

Team Evil Fish found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Thanks for the cache as I was in = doubt if=20 I and the rest of TEF were to continue caching but after getting this = we'll=20 continue doing so.

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CondoMax found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I found it, but you'll be hearing from my lawyer. = Whose idea=20 was it to put the live and irritable pygmy rattlesnake in the ammo box? = It bit=20 me on the rekcep. Thanks A LOT for the cache!!!

Visit this = listing at the=20 below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D41824b= 39-6441-4708-a669-12857ab755e9

King Boreas found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Took the bubble gum, left a Fifth = of=20 Jack.

T F T C

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Team Sprocket found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I was in the neighborhood and just = happened to have a pick and shovel with me so, in between dodging the=20 trains, I dug up the cache, took all of the contents and replaced = them=20 with exact replicas. I buried the cache a little deeper than I found = it. =20

-- Team Sprocket

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Crow T Robot posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
This cache will self-destruct in 1 = hour.

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moochie found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
started early this morning...boy, i've done some tough = caches=20 in my life but this takes the cake...no wonder overrover didn't attempt = this=20 one...finally took this one off the to-do list

Visit this listing = at the=20 below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D27a4ab= e6-c9e3-4e19-b947-70626e57a388

Yorky Lovers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Afte finishing Da Domb, I spray = painted=20 the Moon Suit with a camopaint job and slipped into the park at dusk. = eTrex was=20 all over the map but I probed the entire length of the tracks and found = it in=20 about 5 mins. Took the expired gerbil, at least I think it was a gerbil, = it was=20 pretty dark. Left the Moon suit and a flame thrower (almost empty). The = cache is=20 pretty full. Thanks for the hide Cachemonkees.

Visit this = listing at the=20 below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D4f9024= 9e-aa06-4911-8525-caf3fbedf8c9

Cachefan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Man, this cache is popular!! First time I had to = stand=20 in line to log a cache! Flew in from California this morning on my = Concorde Jet (got a great deal on eBay) and followed the geotrail to the = cache. Pretty easy to find now even with all the camo techniques = being=20 used. Very clever by the way. Never seen body parts, = rattlesnakes=20 and gerbils used quite like that. TFTC!

Visit this listing = at the=20 below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8b362c= f9-c850-4d9f-995d-c176b603f2d2

Moag Ohana found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
sorry I took so long I didnt have = the cash=20 to fly so I jumped on my skateboard and kicked it all the way from = Diamond Bar=20 Ca. Boy I am I tired!!! Found it easily with all the visits=20 today.
TNLNDNSL
Mahalo and Aloha
Moag Ohana

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Crow T Robot permanently archived Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Well, that was fun. Who gets = the=20 prize for the best log? And what do you have planned for July=20 4th?

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haraup found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
My GPS got me to the right spot (a long fast trip from = Michigan) ... but there was no bridge there, and no apparent cache ... = just a=20 lot of messy debris and a yellow tape marked "Police Line-Do Not Cross", = so I=20 didn't. Lots of frantic official-types running around. Since I didn't = locate the=20 cache, I took nothing and left nothing (oh, yes, there was that little = bit of...=20 oh, never mind). But I'm going to claim the cache anyway since I = DID get=20 to the right spot.

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Brian

Team A.I.

------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C41CDC.3B65B2C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 03:24:14 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:24:14 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hmmm...Sloof Lirpa 3.1 Message-ID: <009401c41d18$f816a230$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C41CDE.4B91A490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable bigredmed found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Was going to take the gerbils to sell to some guys I know that really = seem to go through their gerbils fast, but they weren't interested. They = just fondled the travel bug and gave your email address to some friends = of theirs who grow weed in that park, they want to talk to you about the = trail of geocachers disturbing the "vegetation" on the way to the cache. April Fools! Good one. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dd0e6bd5b-4a0d-46b9-a3a4-70= b2f8e07cab DavidMac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Good thing about being a pilots son is I can fly just about anywhere for = almost free. The TSA wasn't too happy about the grenades and case of box = cutters that I tried to bring with me to leave in the cache, so I had to = leave them behind in Tennessee[:(!]. Instead I left a few cents pocket = change and a used stick of gum, and took one of the Glocks. This was = after I pulled aside some kids that were walking down the tracks and had = them help me locate the cache. The container was already damp and the = logbook was wet, so I just left it out in the open to dry.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D1f35b5c2-d13f-47f2-9f2a-41= 55a17ddcfe canadazuuk requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Someone had to press the button. [:D] Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D10bbf05e-1a9b-482e-a076-1f= e6a64f462a bigredmed posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 When I went there, I must have caused someone to call 911 to get the = bomb squad there. When they saw the "vegetation", they thought it was = mine. I tried to convince them that I was just geocaching. They = arrested me anyway. I am typing this log with a pencil held in my = teeth. Help! Send Bail Money! ;) Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dbc85f531-2495-457e-93cc-94= ccd72a2e66 Nurse Dave found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Pst. It's still there! You guys need to clean all this up before you = go to bed. [:P] I took the Hummer keys and left some gold bullion. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D920ed3d0-88a4-47df-9628-57= fe46c3997d Cache & Keri posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 HEY...SylvrStorm that was me you shot at!! Just wanted you to know that = after I completed the micro, I found your toe and fed it to a gator in a = nearby pond! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D9cb8d26a-e2cd-4ac1-ac12-51= 9e0bcaf78e Strohem found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I was headed south of Deland today to pick up an airplane from my cousin = to take to my brother for the opening of his new restaurant north of = Tampa. After landing at PIE, I just couldn't resist. I rented a car = and headed out to find the cache. It took a little longer then I = thought but only because there were a few distractions along the way. = Apparently I ran over a gerbil...ugh! Then I picked up a hitch-hiker = (which my mother has always told me NOT to do) but she was really HOT! = After dropping her off at Bubba's Shrimp Shack I was able to find the = cache pretty easily. Duh! Did you take a good look around at that = mess?!?! I felt so bad about the gerbil I ran over that I decided the = cache would make a good burial ground for him. Sorry! I also left a = pair of fingernail clippers with a nail file on it. Are those things = out-lawed now? Happy Caching! Strohem Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Df69b7f34-e3d2-4cc6-a330-b5= 97953010e0 hazzmatt found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Was abe to reach GZ with my Argonne Tandem Linac Accelerator System. Almost over shot cache site, due to my space to Earth ratio was off by = 12%.(Note to self: change bong h2o) neverless made entry with the 12 million volt electrostatic Tandem Van = Graaff injector accelerator. "You know it's still fun at my age to see those GeV electrons smashing = into the 3.1 GeV positrons!" Took- only the understanding not to do anymore evil,to cultivate good,to = purify one's mind Sign log book that was shot. Powerd up again,made smooth return home on the zephyrs of the warm west = winds. Peace to all / Dr.HazZMatT /professor emeritus Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D5bfd400a-3018-49f8-b910-80= 11410e8191 Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 You know, it is our vacation and what better way to spend it than down = here at this great cache! We reached the destination without any problems, but you know how those = park people are with their regulations. Sheesh. So we gave them some = lame excuse about looking for our nephew's keys and they let us go and = dig up the terrain with our shovels. After a couple of hours, we found = the cache. I know our Garmin is correct, but your coordinates are like = 200 feet off. Or is that because of everyone else who just had to rehide = it in a better place than they found it. Well we decided to rehide it in = the patch of poison ivy we saw about 50 feet away, much better = camoflage. Good luck to the next cachers who look for it.=20 Being pharmacists, we had to snag those multicolored pills to sell on = the internet for some real cash, after all gas aint cheap any more. = Thanks for such a great trade item.[:D] We left the trash we found in = our rent-a-car, and a collection of match books from our motel room.=20 Thanks for a great cache. Too bad the area is so ugly and torn up by all = the people dealing with the train wreck or whatever that mess is. You'd = think park rangers would have more respect for their land.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D78115025-289a-40f2-8cc9-c8= a26397dea5 Corp Of Discovery requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Czuuk, yes someone DID press the button already, ME. But MY post got = deleted. Is this what geocaching has come to? Can't we do better than = this? See more in my thread 'S***w you all...'. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D7584d669-fb53-4b48-979a-fd= 534e22e277 cybergal found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 The kids are out on spring break, so we took a little mini vacation to = come see what all the fuss was about. I left the kids back at the = hotel, as this one seems particularly non-kid-friendly. It took some doing to find the cache in all that poison ivy, but we had = on special protective clothing. We took the nail clippers with the file = to put in our carry-on luggage and mess with TSA on the way back home. = We left some Cholla cactus pieces that were clinging to our pack from = our last geocache outing back home in Arizona. Thanks for the interesting vacation find! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8a03f0c7-a4b3-4ad7-a75a-c4= 5b572fdb71 nwscout1 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I was going to go after the TB's but then read the cache desctiption and = logs. I'm allergic to gerbils, poison ivy gives me a nasty rash, train = exhaust makes me sneeze, and chemical residue causes me to break out. = And since I don't own a weapon, I can't sign the log book.=20 Ya know, since I've been to Florida once and I live in the same country, = I know I could find it so I'm logging this as a find. [:D] =20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dc6e86a53-4e2e-45cc-bbd5-93= 79f28e6fb1 ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C41CDE.4B91A490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

bigredmed found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Was going to take the gerbils to = sell to=20 some guys I know that really seem to go through their gerbils fast, but = they=20 weren't interested. They just fondled the travel bug and gave your email = address=20 to some friends of theirs who grow weed in that park, they want to talk = to you=20 about the trail of geocachers disturbing the "vegetation" on the way to = the=20 cache.

April Fools!

Good one.

Visit this listing at = the=20 below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dd0e6bd= 5b-4a0d-46b9-a3a4-70b2f8e07cab

DavidMac found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Good thing about being a pilots son is I can fly just = about=20 anywhere for almost free. The TSA wasn't too happy about the grenades = and case=20 of box cutters that I tried to bring with me to leave in the cache, so I = had to=20 leave them behind in Tennessee[:(!]. Instead I left a few cents pocket = change=20 and a used stick of gum, and took one of the Glocks. This was after I = pulled=20 aside some kids that were walking down the tracks and had them help me = locate=20 the cache. The container was already damp and the logbook was wet, so I = just=20 left it out in the open to dry.

Visit this listing at the below=20 address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D1f35b5= c2-d13f-47f2-9f2a-4155a17ddcfe

canadazuuk requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) to be = archived=20 at 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Someone had to press the = button.=20 [:D]

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bigredmed posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) = at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
When I went there, I must have = caused=20 someone to call 911 to get the bomb squad there. When they saw the = "vegetation", they thought it was mine. I tried to convince them = that I=20 was just geocaching. They arrested me anyway. I am typing = this log=20 with a pencil held in my teeth. Help! Send Bail=20 Money!

;)

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Nurse Dave found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Pst. It's still there! = You=20 guys need to clean all this up before you go to bed. [:P]

I = took=20 the Hummer keys and left some gold bullion.

Visit this listing at = the=20 below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D920ed3= d0-88a4-47df-9628-57fe46c3997d

Cache & Keri posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
HEY...SylvrStorm that was me you = shot=20 at!! Just wanted you to know that after I completed the micro, I = found=20 your toe and fed it to a gator in a nearby pond!

Visit this = listing at=20 the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D9cb8d2= 6a-e2cd-4ac1-ac12-519e0bcaf78e

Strohem found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I was headed south of Deland today to pick up an = airplane from=20 my cousin to take to my brother for the opening of his new restaurant = north of=20 Tampa. After landing at PIE, I just couldn't resist. I = rented a car=20 and headed out to find the cache. It took a little longer then I = thought=20 but only because there were a few distractions along the way. = Apparently I=20 ran over a gerbil...ugh! Then I picked up a hitch-hiker (which my = mother=20 has always told me NOT to do) but she was really HOT! After = dropping her=20 off at Bubba's Shrimp Shack I was able to find the cache pretty easily.=20 Duh! Did you take a good look around at that mess?!?! I felt = so bad=20 about the gerbil I ran over that I decided the cache would make a good = burial=20 ground for him. Sorry! I also left a pair of fingernail = clippers=20 with a nail file on it. Are those things out-lawed = now?

Happy=20 Caching!   Strohem

Visit this listing at the below=20 address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Df69b7f= 34-e3d2-4cc6-a330-b597953010e0

hazzmatt found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Was abe to reach GZ with my Argonne Tandem Linac = Accelerator=20 System.
Almost over shot cache site, due to my space to Earth ratio = was off=20 by 12%.(Note to self: change bong h2o)
neverless made entry = with the 12=20 million volt electrostatic Tandem Van Graaff injector = accelerator.
"You know=20 it's still fun at my age to see those GeV electrons smashing into the = 3.1 GeV=20 positrons!"
Took- only the understanding not to do anymore evil,to = cultivate=20 good,to purify one's mind
Sign log book that was shot.
Powerd up=20 again,made smooth return home on the zephyrs of the warm west = winds.
Peace to=20 all / Dr.HazZMatT /professor emeritus

Visit this listing at = the below=20 address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D5bfd40= 0a-3018-49f8-b910-8011410e8191

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
You know, it is our vacation and = what=20 better way to spend it than down here at this great cache!

We = reached the=20 destination without any problems, but you know how those park people are = with=20 their regulations. Sheesh. So we gave them some lame excuse about = looking for=20 our nephew's keys and they let us go and dig up the terrain with our = shovels.=20 After a couple of hours, we found the cache. I know our Garmin is = correct, but=20 your coordinates are like 200 feet off. Or is that because of everyone = else who=20 just had to rehide it in a better place than they found it. Well we = decided to=20 rehide it in the patch of poison ivy we saw about 50 feet away, much = better=20 camoflage. Good luck to the next cachers who look for it.

Being=20 pharmacists, we had to snag those multicolored pills to sell on the = internet for=20 some real cash, after all gas aint cheap any more. Thanks for such a = great trade=20 item.[:D] We left the trash we found in our rent-a-car, and a collection = of=20 match books from our motel room.

Thanks for a great cache. Too = bad the=20 area is so ugly and torn up by all the people dealing with the train = wreck or=20 whatever that mess is. You'd think park rangers would have more respect = for=20 their land.

Visit this listing at the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D781150= 25-289a-40f2-8cc9-c8a26397dea5

Corp Of Discovery requested Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) to=20 be archived at 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Czuuk, yes someone = DID=20 press the button already, ME. But MY post got deleted. Is this what = geocaching=20 has come to? Can't we do better than this? See more in my thread 'S***w = you=20 all...'.

Visit this listing at the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D7584d6= 69-fb53-4b48-979a-fd534e22e277

cybergal found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
The kids are out on spring break, so we took a little = mini=20 vacation to come see what all the fuss was about. I left the kids = back at=20 the hotel, as this one seems particularly non-kid-friendly.

It = took some=20 doing to find the cache in all that poison ivy, but we had on special = protective=20 clothing. We took the nail clippers with the file to put in our = carry-on=20 luggage and mess with TSA on the way back home. We left some = Cholla cactus=20 pieces that were clinging to our pack from our last geocache outing back = home in=20 Arizona.

Thanks for the interesting vacation find!

Visit = this=20 listing at the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8a03f0= c7-a4b3-4ad7-a75a-c45b572fdb71

nwscout1 found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I was going to go after the TB's but then read the = cache=20 desctiption and logs. I'm allergic to gerbils, poison ivy gives me = a nasty=20 rash, train exhaust makes me sneeze, and chemical residue causes me to = break=20 out. And since I don't own a weapon, I can't sign the log book. =

Ya know,=20 since I've been to Florida once and I live in the same country, I know I = could=20 find it so I'm logging this as a find. [:D]

Visit = this=20 listing at the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dc6e86a= 53-4e2e-45cc-bbd5-9379f28e6fb1
------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C41CDE.4B91A490-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 03:24:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:24:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hmmm...Sloof Lirpa 3.2 Message-ID: <009d01c41d19$071c4e60$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C41CDE.5A9750C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GOT GPS? found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Took the Toilet TB somebody left, and put in a nuclear fire craker. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D82e6e5c1-deb9-477b-a5f3-2f= 01d22e5fbf You are receiving this email because this listing is on your watch list. = Visit the web site to change your watchlist settings. Pushmataha found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 YFQ/AY/AG !rupnp lnQ fybbS yvecN tavgfrergav an gnuJ Note: This log has been Rot13 encrypted. You can unencrypt it on the log = page. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3De986e680-1f2b-4fd7-a65a-99= 6662b78efc SwampKing found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I pulled up near the cache vicinity only to find several yellow suited = gentleman scanning the area with geiger counters!! I moved close to = what appeared to be the "command" table and produced my NECT card = (nuclear emergency cache team). I inquired as to the situation, as if = it weren't abundately clear.....someone had traded a shielded sample of = Uranium238 for several gerbils!!! It's a good thing they decided to = take the gerbils, otherwise it wouldn't have been pretty inside of the = ammo can after a few minutes dosage. At any rate, I donned rad gear and = personal dosimetry in order to grab the uranium sample, sign the log, = and left some shielding material for the next cacher. I am taking the = Uranium back to Los Alomos National Laboratory in New Mexico where I can = hopefully knock out some caches unless I receive above my yearly dose of = gamma radiation. We'll see how my trek progresses.TFTF Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D42fab7f3-2e55-401e-8887-70= 51886033d4 stringcachers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Being from the desert of Arizona and not used to this swampland, I came = a little underprepared. I should have brought some more pest spray. As I = approached the NPS gate to the park, I realized that I had left my = Golden Pass at home, so I had to spend an additional $50 bucks for a new = one (It was about to expire anyways). The rangers in the gate station = looked really funny at what I had in the back of my rental pickup. But, = hey, this is swampland, right? You need a little protection. I = proceeded to the railtracks, ready to cache in, and trash out. But, I = realized that the one trash bag I brought just wouldn't be enough to = pickup all the wreckage lying about. Time for some superfund cleanup = funds to be put to work.=20 I am sure glad I brought the protection I did, because those gerbils = were on a rampage. What that funny gas did to them, I will be having = nightmares for some time to come. But, the worst was that guy walking = about on the tracks, next to a crater, mumbling. I think he needs a = doctor, and not just for his open wounds. With gasmask on, and full body suit, I kinda fit in with the various = "official looking" folks wandering about. They were saying things like = "bomb squad", "gun control", "nuke eh all". I slipped by, and using my = trusty Garmin, was able to zero in on the new coords in the poison ivy = rather quickly. You know, however, that the second spot on the multi = needs some redoing. The rain was washing the blood away, and I could = hardly read the coords. I took the rattlesnake skin (the fangs were torn off - poor thing), and = left my signature item - a string of fireworks.=20 Thanks for the fun cache. Now, only some 2500 miles from home, can I = just go straight nw from here? Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D7fa6110d-38a3-4439-9849-23= 182aadaed0 Dudeface found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I parachuted in from the international space station, thus bypassing all = security, and avoiding the scrutiny of any nearby muggles. In a full = environmental suit, I was on a mission to rescue the gerbils. It didn't take long, no one was expecting my attack from above. Into the = geobag they went, along with some sunflower seeds to keep them happy. In = their place I left mobious strip and a klein jar. I signed the log. Already looking the part, I whistled a happy tune and strolled out. Great cache. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D8e44e11c-e5c2-4bfd-8630-af= 897ae92696 ShowStop found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 I tried chartering a flight, but couldn't get past the security = checkpoint with my geocaching gear. Not to worry, I called up my friend = Michael Knight who drove over in KITT. We loaded up and hit the road. = Michael activated 'Super Pursuit Mode' and we were zipping across the = country at 325mph. Finally as we neared the cache site, we found the = enormous crater as mentioned in the previous logs. KITT automatically = activated 'Turbo Boost' and we jumped over the crater. I reached out and = signed the log boot as we jumped over. Took us for a ride and left you = all in the dust. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D5ea46fe3-6a81-41ea-8f69-88= b8c94d6443 Captain Chaoss found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Phew !!! Man, does it stink around this cache !! [xx(] This site = definitely needs put on the CITO event roster. But, the trading is choice ! I can't believe how much better stocked = these southern caches are. Unfortunately, I wasn't prepared for the = trade up scene here, so signed log and left booklet " Financial = Independence in 30 days or less - Meth Making Made Easy." By Titusville = PA printshop. Thanks for the cache. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db156dc01-e3d5-4042-9d37-83= 27b8176603 ventura_kids found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 The bomb squad was just arriving as we left. Not much chance of this one = hanging around for years and years. Although it has accurate = coordinates, we still had difficulty getting thru the crowds of = onlookers to sign the logbook. Thanks. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Def63d569-0124-4125-9dfb-ea= cb914807f8 ventura_kids posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 just dropping off a travel bug. Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Ddaa22693-7bb4-4278-b524-93= ab22930aec Bravesfan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 Sledgehampster called me as soon as he got back. I jumped into my jet = powered Peterbilt and hauled that beer from Texarkana. Yeah watch the = Bandit run!! Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D110a18da-2e51-4ac5-8ce0-98= daa4289c39 StressMaster found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004 Log Date: 4/1/2004 What a great find. for a numbers ho.. had to run my butt off to stay = ahead of the bomb squad but we got in and SL just before they did the = sniff test on it.. was ever glad that we took the snacks to help with = the fat burn of the run... great day running to and from home... almost = tripped over all the trash. CITO required.=20 Visit this listing at the below address: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dce793eae-62cd-4bef-9a3c-af= 19bc9994fa ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C41CDE.5A9750C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

GOT GPS? found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
Took the Toilet TB somebody left, and put in a nuclear = fire=20 craker.

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You are receiving this email because this listing is on your watch = list.=20 Visit the web site to change your watchlist settings.

Pushmataha = found=20 Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at 4/1/2004

Log Date:=20 4/1/2004
YFQ/AY/AG !rupnp lnQ fybbS yvecN tavgfrergav an = gnuJ

Note:=20 This log has been Rot13 encrypted. You can unencrypt it on the log=20 page.

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SwampKing found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
I pulled up near the cache = vicinity only=20 to find several yellow suited gentleman scanning the area with geiger=20 counters!! I moved close to what appeared to be the "command" = table and=20 produced my NECT card (nuclear emergency cache team). I inquired = as to the=20 situation, as if it weren't abundately clear.....someone had traded a = shielded=20 sample of Uranium238 for several gerbils!!! It's a good thing they = decided=20 to take the gerbils, otherwise it wouldn't have been pretty inside of = the ammo=20 can after a few minutes dosage. At any rate, I donned rad gear and = personal dosimetry in order to grab the uranium sample, sign the log, = and left=20 some shielding material for the next cacher. I am taking the = Uranium back=20 to Los Alomos National Laboratory in New Mexico where I can hopefully = knock out=20 some caches unless I receive above my yearly dose of gamma = radiation. =20 We'll see how my trek progresses.TFTF

Visit this listing at the = below=20 address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D42fab7= f3-2e55-401e-8887-7051886033d4

stringcachers found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Being from the desert of Arizona = and not=20 used to this swampland, I came a little underprepared. I should have = brought=20 some more pest spray. As I approached the NPS gate to the park, I = realized that=20 I had left my Golden Pass at home, so I had to spend an additional $50 = bucks for=20 a new one (It was about to expire anyways). The rangers in the gate = station=20 looked really funny at what I had in the back of my rental pickup. But, = hey,=20 this is swampland, right? You need a little protection.   I = proceeded=20 to the railtracks, ready to cache in, and trash out. But, I realized = that the=20 one trash bag I brought just wouldn't be enough to pickup all the = wreckage lying=20 about. Time for some superfund cleanup funds to be put to work.
I am = sure=20 glad I brought the protection I did, because those gerbils were on a = rampage.=20 What that funny gas did to them, I will be having nightmares for some = time to=20 come. But, the worst was that guy walking about on the tracks, = next to a=20 crater, mumbling. I think he needs a doctor, and not just for his open=20 wounds.
With gasmask on, and full body suit, I kinda fit in with the = various=20 "official looking" folks wandering about. They were saying things like = "bomb=20 squad", "gun control", "nuke eh all". I slipped by, and using my trusty = Garmin,=20 was able to zero in on the new coords in the poison ivy rather quickly. = You=20 know, however, that the second spot on the multi needs some redoing. The = rain=20 was washing the blood away, and I could hardly read the coords.
I = took the=20 rattlesnake skin (the fangs were torn off - poor thing), and left my = signature=20 item - a string of fireworks.
Thanks for the fun cache. Now, only = some 2500=20 miles from home, can I just go straight nw from here?

Visit this = listing=20 at the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D7fa611= 0d-38a3-4439-9849-23182aadaed0

Dudeface found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I parachuted in from the international space station, = thus=20 bypassing all security, and avoiding the scrutiny of any nearby muggles. = In a=20 full environmental suit, I was on a mission to rescue the = gerbils.

It=20 didn't take long, no one was expecting my attack from above. Into the = geobag=20 they went, along with some sunflower seeds to keep them happy. In their = place I=20 left mobious strip and a klein jar. I signed the log.

Already = looking the=20 part, I whistled a happy tune and strolled out.

Great=20 cache.

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ShowStop found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at = 4/1/2004

Log=20 Date: 4/1/2004
I tried chartering a flight, but couldn't get past the = security checkpoint with my geocaching gear. Not to worry, I called up = my friend=20 Michael Knight who drove over in KITT. We loaded up and hit the road. = Michael=20 activated 'Super Pursuit Mode' and we were zipping across the country at = 325mph.=20 Finally as we neared the cache site, we found the enormous crater as = mentioned=20 in the previous logs. KITT automatically activated 'Turbo Boost' and we = jumped=20 over the crater. I reached out and signed the log boot as we jumped = over. Took=20 us for a ride and left you all in the dust.

Visit this listing at = the=20 below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D5ea46f= e3-6a81-41ea-8f69-88b8c94d6443

Captain Chaoss found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Phew !!! Man, does it stink around = this=20 cache !! [xx(] This site definitely needs put on the CITO = event=20 roster.

But, the trading is choice ! I can't believe how much = better=20 stocked these southern caches are. Unfortunately, I wasn't prepared for = the=20 trade up scene here, so signed log and left booklet " Financial = Independence in=20 30 days or less - Meth Making Made Easy." By Titusville PA=20 printshop.

Thanks for the cache.

Visit this listing at the = below=20 address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Db156dc= 01-e3d5-4042-9d37-8327b8176603

ventura_kids found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
The bomb squad was just arriving = as we=20 left. Not much chance of this one hanging around for years and years. = Although=20 it has accurate coordinates, we still had difficulty getting thru the = crowds of=20 onlookers to sign the logbook. Thanks.

Visit this listing at the = below=20 address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Def63d5= 69-0124-4125-9dfb-eacb914807f8

ventura_kids posted a note for Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) = Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
just dropping off a travel=20 bug.

Visit this listing at the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Ddaa226= 93-7bb4-4278-b524-93ab22930aec

Bravesfan found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
Sledgehampster called me as soon = as he got=20 back. I jumped into my jet powered Peterbilt and hauled that beer from=20 Texarkana. Yeah watch the Bandit run!!

Visit this listing at the = below=20 address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3D110a18= da-2e51-4ac5-8ce0-98daa4289c39

StressMaster found Sloof Lirpa (Unknown (Mystery) Cache) at=20 4/1/2004

Log Date: 4/1/2004
What a great find. for a numbers = ho.. had=20 to run my butt off to stay ahead of the bomb squad but we got in and SL = just=20 before they did the sniff test on it.. was ever glad that we = took=20 the snacks to help with the fat burn of the run... great day running to = and from=20 home... almost tripped over all the trash. CITO required.

Visit = this=20 listing at the below address:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=3Dce793e= ae-62cd-4bef-9a3c-af19bc9994fa
------=_NextPart_000_009A_01C41CDE.5A9750C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 03:35:38 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 20:35:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa (my log) Message-ID: <000a01c41d1a$8f5d7b40$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C41CDF.E2D60CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sat down as the BNSF train was rolling down the track about a = quarter-mile away to sift through the illicit material when none other = than Lars Ulrich himself appears from the lead locomotive to protest my = pilfering of the bands newest album, St. Anger. Some mindless blabbering = about Napster and Kazaa came spewing from his mouth, in which I promptly = inserted the also pilfered, John Tesh's Greatest Hits Volumes 1-7. Not = wanting to leave with only the music, I knocked out a few spikes and = took a rail home with me. There was this loud gnashing of metal soon = after, but I'm not quite sure what happened there. I didn't want the = dust/flying metal debris to settle on my Sky Blue Pacer, so I put a = 75-shot of NOS through the engine and kicked it up to a to speed of = 38mph.=20 All in all this was one of my most interesting caching adventures. Who'd = have known I'd be the subject of Metallica's latest tyrade into music = piracy.=20 [This entry was edited by Brian - Team A.I. on Thursday, April 01, 2004=20 A previous find log was about pirated music.... Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C41CDF.E2D60CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sat down as the BNSF train was = rolling down=20 the track about a quarter-mile away to sift through the illicit material = when=20 none other than Lars Ulrich himself appears from the lead locomotive to = protest=20 my pilfering of the bands newest album, St. Anger. Some mindless = blabbering=20 about Napster and Kazaa came spewing from his mouth, in which I promptly = inserted the also pilfered, John Tesh's Greatest Hits Volumes 1-7. Not = wanting=20 to leave with only the music, I knocked out a few spikes and took a rail = home=20 with me. There was this loud gnashing of metal soon after, but I'm not = quite=20 sure what happened there. I didn't want the dust/flying metal debris to = settle=20 on my Sky Blue Pacer, so I put a 75-shot of NOS through the engine and = kicked it=20 up to a to speed of 38mph.=20
All in all this was one of my most interesting caching adventures. = Who'd have=20 known I'd be the subject of Metallica's latest tyrade into music piracy.=20
[This entry was edited by Brian - Team A.I. on Thursday, April 01, = 2004

A previous find log was about pirated=20 music....

Brian
Team=20 A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C41CDF.E2D60CA0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 05:16:42 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:16:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa Message-ID: <20040407221642.27600.h017.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> BTW, y'all figgered out the "Sloof Lirpa" is not a mountain in Nepal, it is "April Fools" backwards.... Just felt the need to point that out in case anyone was a'wonderin' I planned to delete my "find" (HA HA) log but since it is archived, I can't access the cache page. Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:59:20 -0700 (PDT), David Thompsen wrote: This is my log from Sloof Lirpa, I didn't get a chance for Da Bomb. � http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=f6aeb813-1811-4b88-aae7-f6cf1599d0c8 � Team Cow SpotsDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 05:24:08 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Rx4Fun!) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Been There, Done That In-Reply-To: <406F6B81.6090500@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20040408052408.22782.qmail@web60609.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1462848133-1081401848=:22379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been very busy lately and didn't have a chance to check my email so I had 185 emails! I wish I had been on last Thursday. I am just curious if anyone have figured this team out. I was waiting for an ending to the soap opera but I got to the newest email without one...yet. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1462848133-1081401848=:22379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I have been very busy lately and didn't have a chance to check my email so I had 185 emails! I wish I had been on last Thursday. I am just curious if anyone have figured this team out. I was waiting for an ending to the soap opera but I got to the newest email without one...yet.

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-1462848133-1081401848=:22379-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 06:37:01 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 2:37:01 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa Message-ID: <20040408063702.BSRE7318.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Trisha, You can access the log still and change to a 'note' instead. On your My Cache Page, click on the visit log link and edit to the note. The admin permanently archived it so logs wouldn't continue to appear, which would have happened without a doubt. Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Trisha" > Date: 2004/04/08 Thu AM 01:16:42 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sloof Lirpa > > BTW, y'all figgered out the "Sloof Lirpa" is not a mountain in Nepal, > it is "April Fools" backwards.... > > Just felt the need to point that out in case anyone was a'wonderin' > > I planned to delete my "find" (HA HA) log but since it is archived, I > can't access the cache page. > > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > > On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:59:20 -0700 (PDT), David Thompsen wrote: > > This is my log from Sloof Lirpa, I didn't get a chance for Da Bomb. > � > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=f6aeb813-1811-4b88-aae7-f6cf1599d0c8 > � > Team Cow SpotsDo you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 06:40:56 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 2:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gah! Message-ID: <20040408064058.JYVY7773.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Well, I guess Sloof Lirpa 3/? finally made it through the cue, so it made it to the listserv twice. Sorry! Reading these logs as they posted that day was one of the funniest mornings I've had in a long time. I was crying from laughing so much. Brian Team A.I. Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 8 12:21:43 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 05:21:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Gah! In-Reply-To: <20040408064058.JYVY7773.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20040408064058.JYVY7773.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <407543D7.7030805@cableone.net> Brian, Thank you for your time and efforts in posting all the finds and other comments on this funny, funny cache. My sides are still hunting from all the laughter and my mother-in-law, who is recuperating from surgery, thinks I am crazy as I was reading the logs and howling at the entries. I think everyone needs a little change from the normal from time to time and this certainly was a change. Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite, Prescott, AZ Brian - Team A.I. wrote: >Well, I guess Sloof Lirpa 3/? finally made it through the cue, so it made it to the listserv twice. Sorry! Reading these logs as they posted that day was one of the funniest mornings I've had in a long time. I was crying from laughing so much. > >Brian >Team A.I. > >Brian >Team A.I. > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 10 05:06:19 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 22:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Fwd: Arizona Plane, Pilot & Passenger missing in AZ since September Message-ID: <20040410050619.19177.qmail@web40512.mail.yahoo.com> I realize this is off-topic, but with folks amongst us who spend time in the backcountry, perhaps this will be of interest to some: > We need your help locating a missing plane in the White Mountain > area! > > I have been helping the family of the missing pilot try to locate > his > crash site. They have asked me to try to organize a ground search > on > Sunday April 18th. Those who coordinate with me and carpool > together > up will have their gas covered. For those of you who like hiking > this > is a chance to enjoy a hike in the White Mountains, do a good deed, > > and get your travel gas paid for! > > The four seat single engine Beechcraft Bonanza took off from Falcon > > Field in Mesa en route to Dallas Texas on September 21, 2003. The > plane disappeared off radar just west of White River AZ. This was > normal as the radar coverage is poor in that area and does not > improve until the New Mexico Border. There was also normal radio > communication with the pilot three minutes after radar contact was > lost so it is known that the plane continued on beyond the point > radar contact was lost. We are planning to search an area south of > Mount Baldy. The family has put up a reward of $5000 for the > discovery of the plane. If any one from our group does find the > plane > the reward will be divided equally among everyone in our search > group. > > If you are interested in helping, or more details please contact > me. > > Craig Fuller > AAIR Aviation Archaeological Investigation & Research > aair@juno.com http://www.AviationArchaeology.com > 480-218-8191 hm > 480-727-1414 wk > 480-236-9107 cell -Mark A. Pedersen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 10 20:12:10 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:12:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Good cache logs Message-ID: <20040410131212.18728.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I also agree....I love to read good logs. Dan, you are so right, the pleasure of reading about the experience IS the cache hider's reward. To that end, check out my new cache "Dream Prize Cache" in the Prescott area....waypoint GCHQAB, and point of the cache, good logs! (and a unique experience, and who knows what one may find at the end of the rainbow??) It's a very good cache, you may want to try and find it, IF you can!! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 13:34:39 -0700, "RAND HARDIN" wrote: Dan, � I agree with what you wrote.� You couldn't have stated it any better. � I tried your link -�but something's missing. � Rand � ----- Original Message ----- From: Koch, Dan Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 11:23 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] HAHAHA!!!! �(Sarcasm noted but since you asked...)Think about why the 'Sloof Lirpa' and 'Da Bomb' were caches sopopular....because people wanted to read the logs!There was a time when the online logs were actually interesting to read.� I,and probably many others, used to read the 'Recently Logged Visits' page ongeocaching.com or the 'AZ Cache Activity' page on azgeocaching.com to readabout others caching adventurers.� Or maybe it was just me... :)� But, as time went on, and as more cachers and caches got involved, the logs,like the caches themselves, 'devolved' (thanks Tierra Buena...love thatphrase!) into nothing more than "Quick easy find. TN/LN/SL.".� Don't get me wrong, there are cachers that aren't 'minimalist loggers'.� Inparticular, RopingTheWind used to write what I called novellas and he took alot of grief about it.� But, his logs were quite extensive and were veryenjoyable to read.� As a more recent example, look at Sprockets 'chain logs'where he tells a story that encompasses the entire day, even about beingaccosted by the Mexican Policia! :)� Look up a cacher in SoCal by the nameof 'Yrium' if you really want to read some entertaining logs.� Here's hislog for a mundane urban cache:http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=4ce54865-1dc2-48ca-9b12-bb3562f936caNow, I will agree that some caches are hard to find anything interestingabout, and I myself have had many caches where all I could do was a shortlog for my finds, especially when it's a 20 cache day.� Heck, I usuallydon't even get around to posting my logs for a couple of days and by thensome details have already faded.� But when I can, I try to do some write upto so there's more than one sentence.� Cache owners get notified wheneversomeone posts a log to one of their caches and for the most part, this isthe only feedback the owners get.� I know I enjoy reading the adventurersthat people have when looking for my caches, found or not. Also, I'm sure that most cachers have caches on their 'watchlist'. Why doesanyone put a cache on their 'Watchlist'?� To read the logs.� Either theyhave found it and use the watchlist notifications to be reminded of it, orthey want to find it someday and use the notifications to keep tabs on thestatus of the cache or to read about the (mis)adventures of those that havefound it.Another reason I try to write more than a sentence or two is that if I goback and read my logs, I can easily remember the cache, where it was hidden,what was going on around us and any adventurers we had getting there.� If Igo back and read one of my logs and I can't remember the cache, I know Ididn't write a good log.� The log that Scott pointed out was a bitextravagant, but it made the cache memorable for me, the cache owner and thecacher I was with both enjoyed it (see the cache page) and obviously othercachers did as well.I'm sure TeamAI and RtW could write some very interesting logs about aconvertible during a recent caching trip along the Beeline(?)... :)whew...LazyK - Dan From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 10 20:36:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:36:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Good cache logs Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C41F00.DB189960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trisha, Sounds like a great cache! You really spent a lot of time putting it tog= ether; and from the descriptions of the prizes in the cache it sounds lik= e someone made out pretty well! Great logs! Congratulations, Rand (RandMan) ----- Original Message ----- From: Trisha Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:19 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Good cache logs I also agree....I love to read good logs. Dan, you are so right, the pleasure of reading about the experience IS the cache hider's reward. To that end, check out my new cache "Dream Prize Cache" in the Prescott area....waypoint GCHQAB, and point of the cache, good logs! (and a unique experience, and who knows what one may find at the end of the rainbow??) It's a very good cache, you may want to try and find it, IF you can!! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C41F00.DB189960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Trisha,
=

Sounds like a great cache! You really spent = a lot of time putting it together; and from the descriptions of the = prizes in the cache it sounds like someone made out pretty well!

Great logs!

Congratulat= ions,

Rand (RandMan)

=

----- Original Messa= ge -----

From: Trisha

Sen= t: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:19 PM

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Good cache logs

&nb= sp;
I also agree....I love to read good logs. Dan, you are so right,= the
pleasure of reading about the experience IS the cache hider's rew= ard.

To that end, check out my new cache "Dream Prize Cache" in th= e
Prescott area....waypoint GCHQAB, and point of the cache, good logs!=
(and a unique experience, and who knows what one may find at the end<= BR>of the rainbow??)

It's a very good cache, you may want to try a= nd find it, IF you can!!

Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C41F00.DB189960-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 10 21:39:51 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) Message-ID: <20040410213951.62527.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com> --0-907186882-1081633191=:62441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all ... Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start planting around the greater Phoenix area. :) The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a wifi card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld GPS receiver and make life a little easier. I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder what the benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there team-oriented events? Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would be awesome. Thanks! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-907186882-1081633191=:62441 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi all ...

Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start planting around the greater Phoenix area. :)

The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a wifi card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld GPS receiver and make life a little easier.

I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder what the benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there team-oriented events?

Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would be awesome.

Thanks!

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-907186882-1081633191=:62441-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 10 21:56:54 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (ShadowAce) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:56:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) In-Reply-To: <20040410213951.62527.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C41F0C.0FFF8890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can only answer for myself, but we are '& crew' not 'team' It only means that we cache as a family as much as possible. Some people have multiple adults on the 'team' and each go thre seperate ways when they cache. This allows them to find more caches in a day. We have only been caching since October of '03, and I can say we have not missed anything 'team oriented' because we dont know of anything that requires a team. Welcome to the hobby. I hope you enjoy it as much as we do. -=ShadowAce & Crew -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of SquishyGecko Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) Hi all ... Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start planting around the greater Phoenix area. :) The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a wifi card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld GPS receiver and make life a little easier. I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder what the benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there team-oriented events? Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would be awesome. Thanks! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C41F0C.0FFF8890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can=20 only answer for myself, but we are '& crew' not 'team' It only means = that we=20 cache as a family as much as possible.

Some=20 people have multiple adults on the 'team' and each go thre seperate ways = when=20 they cache. This allows them to find more caches in a = day.

We=20 have only been caching since October of '03, and I can say we have not = missed=20 anything 'team oriented' because we dont know of anything that requires = a=20 team.

Welcome to the hobby. I hope you enjoy it as much as we=20 do.

-=3DShadowAce & Crew

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of=20 SquishyGecko
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:40=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: = [Az-Geocaching]=20 New to Geocaching :-)

Hi all ...

Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located = four=20 caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start planting = around=20 the greater Phoenix area. :)

The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, = a wifi=20 card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld = GPS=20 receiver and make life a little easier.

I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder = what the=20 benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there = team-oriented=20 events?

Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would = be=20 awesome.

Thanks!

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April=20 15th
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C41F0C.0FFF8890-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 10 22:17:24 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:17:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C41F0E.ED99CF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome to geocaching "Squishy Gecko." The "listserv" here, and the "DIS= CUSS GEOCACHING" (forums) sites are the best places to discuss geocaching= and pick up hints and advice. You'll find a lot of great people here on= the listserv that will be very helpful and answer any geocaching related= questions you have. Also try attending as many of the events that we ha= ve - it's a great way to meet the faces behind the names. Rand (RandMan) =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: SquishyGecko Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:47 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) Hi all ... =20 Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located four cac= hes and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start planting around= the greater Phoenix area. :) The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a wifi c= ard, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld GPS receiv= er and make life a little easier. I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder what the b= enefit of operating within a team might be. Are there team-oriented even= ts? Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would be aweso= me. Thanks! ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C41F0E.ED99CF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Welcome to geo= caching "Squishy Gecko." The "listserv" here, and the "DISCUSS GEOC= ACHING" (forums) sites are the best places to discuss geocaching and pick= up hints and advice. You'll find a lot of great people here on the= listserv that will be very helpful and answer any geocaching relate= d questions you have. Also try attending as many of the events that= we have - it's a great way to meet the faces behind the names.

Rand (RandMan)

----- Original Message -----

From: SquishyGecko
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:47 P= M
To: listserv@azgeocaching.= com

Subject: [Az-Geocaching]= New to Geocaching :-)

Hi all ...

Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've alre= ady located four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to s= tart planting around the greater Phoenix area. :)

=
The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a = wifi card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld= GPS receiver and make life a little easier.

I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder what the = benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there team-oriente= d events?

Aside from that, any tips and advi= ce which you might offer would be awesome.

T= hanks!

------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C41F0E.ED99CF60-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 10 22:35:10 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:35:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) References: Message-ID: <002301c41f4c$150f0d20$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C41F11.688EA360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the team thing has many definitions but for short it means group Delorme Rules A hand held would make some hiking caches easier... I guess my answer to Are there team-oriented events? would be the EVENT = CACHES=20 welcome to our ranks ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ShadowAce=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) I can only answer for myself, but we are '& crew' not 'team' It only = means that we cache as a family as much as possible. Some people have multiple adults on the 'team' and each go thre = seperate ways when they cache. This allows them to find more caches in a = day. We have only been caching since October of '03, and I can say we have = not missed anything 'team oriented' because we dont know of anything = that requires a team. Welcome to the hobby. I hope you enjoy it as much as we do. -=3DShadowAce & Crew -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com = [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of = SquishyGecko Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) Hi all ...=20 Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located = four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start = planting around the greater Phoenix area. :) The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a = wifi card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld GPS = receiver and make life a little easier. I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder what = the benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there = team-oriented events? Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would be = awesome. Thanks! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C41F11.688EA360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
the team thing has many definitions but = for short=20 it means group

Delorme Rules

A hand held would make some hiking = caches=20 easier...

I guess my answer to Are there team-oriented events? would = be the EVENT=20 CACHES

welcome to our=20 ranks

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ShadowAce
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 = 2:56=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = New to=20 Geocaching :-)

I=20 can only answer for myself, but we are '& crew' not 'team' It only = means=20 that we cache as a family as much as possible.

Some=20 people have multiple adults on the 'team' and each go thre seperate = ways when=20 they cache. This allows them to find more caches in a = day.

We=20 have only been caching since October of '03, and I can say we have not = missed=20 anything 'team oriented' because we dont know of anything that = requires a=20 team.

Welcome to the hobby. I hope you enjoy it as much as we=20 do.

-=3DShadowAce & Crew

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 SquishyGecko
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:40=20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-)

Hi all ...

Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already = located four=20 caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start = planting around=20 the greater Phoenix area. :)

The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS = receiver, a wifi=20 card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld = GPS=20 receiver and make life a little easier.

I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder = what the=20 benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there = team-oriented=20 events?

Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer = would be=20 awesome.

Thanks!

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - = File online by April=20 15th
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C41F11.688EA360-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 10 22:46:33 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:46:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40787949.2040802@cableone.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030806090005020802040502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear SquishyGecko, My wife and I cache as Team Petite Elite, as we almost always go out together. I did pick up a few finds in San Diego while she stayed home and helped take care of her mother who just had back surgery. We also belong to a Miniature Horse Drill Team of the same name. That is all we have done with the team thing. Bob and Linda Smith, Prescott, AZ ShadowAce wrote: > I can only answer for myself, but we are '& crew' not 'team' It only > means that we cache as a family as much as possible. > > Some people have multiple adults on the 'team' and each go thre > seperate ways when they cache. This allows them to find more caches in > a day. > > We have only been caching since October of '03, and I can say we have > not missed anything 'team oriented' because we dont know of anything > that requires a team. > > Welcome to the hobby. I hope you enjoy it as much as we do. > > -=ShadowAce & Crew > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > SquishyGecko > Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:40 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) > > Hi all ... > > Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located > four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start > planting around the greater Phoenix area. :) > > The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a > wifi card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a > handheld GPS receiver and make life a little easier. > > I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder > what the benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there > team-oriented events? > > Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would > be awesome. > > Thanks! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > > --------------030806090005020802040502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear SquishyGecko,
My wife and I cache as Team Petite Elite, as we almost always go out together. I did pick up a few finds in San Diego while she stayed home and helped take care of her mother who just had back surgery. We also belong to a Miniature Horse Drill Team of the same name. That is all we have done with the team thing.
Bob and Linda Smith, Prescott, AZ

ShadowAce wrote:

I can only answer for myself, but we are '& crew' not 'team' It only means that we cache as a family as much as possible.

Some people have multiple adults on the 'team' and each go thre seperate ways when they cache. This allows them to find more caches in a day.

We have only been caching since October of '03, and I can say we have not missed anything 'team oriented' because we dont know of anything that requires a team.

Welcome to the hobby. I hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

-=ShadowAce & Crew

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of SquishyGecko
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:40 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-)

Hi all ...

Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start planting around the greater Phoenix area. :)

The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a wifi card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld GPS receiver and make life a little easier.

I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder what the benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there team-oriented events?

Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would be awesome.

Thanks!

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th

--------------030806090005020802040502-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 10 23:51:49 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:51:49 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) In-Reply-To: <20040410213951.62527.qmail@web20411.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c41f56$cba80050$6601a8c0@Business> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C41F1C.1F492850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SquishyGecko, The "team thing" is just a convenience. Our team started out with four members, but half the team moved out of state. So now our team is really just my wife and me, often just me. But it also includes anyone who joins us on a cache hunt that isn't already registered on geocaching.com. I've often worried that hunting with a handheld GPS looked conspicuous or suspicious. I can't imagine wandering around holding a laptop! ;-P Want a good event? Hit this cache next Saturday: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=287888bc-514f-48a b-9525-91e167957091 Welcome to Geocaching! Steve Team Tierra Buena -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of SquishyGecko Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:40 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) Hi all ... Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start planting around the greater Phoenix area. :) The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a wifi card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld GPS receiver and make life a little easier. I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder what the benefit of operating within a team might be. Are there team-oriented events? Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would be awesome. Thanks! _____ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C41F1C.1F492850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

SquishyGecko,

The = “team thing” is just a convenience. Our team started out with four = members, but half the team moved out of state. So now our team is really just my wife = and me, often just me. But it also includes anyone who joins us on a cache = hunt that isn’t already registered on = geocaching.com.

I’ve often worried that hunting with a handheld GPS looked conspicuous or = suspicious. I can’t imagine wandering around holding a laptop! = ;-P

Want a = good event? Hit this cache next Saturday: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D287888bc-514f-48ab-9525-91e167957091<= /font>

Welcome = to Geocaching!

Steve

Team = Tierra Buena

-----Original = Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of SquishyGecko
Sent: Saturday, April 10, = 2004 2:40 PM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = New to Geocaching :-)

Hi all ...

Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however = I've already located four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own = to start planting around the greater Phoenix area. = :)

The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop = with a GPS receiver, a wifi card, and DeLorme Maps. Maybe someday I'll = purchase a handheld GPS receiver and make life a little = easier.

I've noticed there are quite a few teams = operating, and wonder what the benefit of operating within a team might be. = Are there team-oriented events?

Aside from that, any tips and advice which = you might offer would be awesome.

Thanks!

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - File = online by April 15th

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C41F1C.1F492850-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 11 02:26:05 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Magnets Message-ID: <20040411022605.65216.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> --0-330647485-1081650365=:63095 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Need magnets for your caches? I just bought a bunch on Ebay from this guy in Sedona. they are the super strong rare earth ones. Not expensive at all. Highly recommended. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11777&item=4160303362 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-330647485-1081650365=:63095 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Need magnets for your caches? I just bought a bunch on Ebay from this guy in Sedona. they are the super strong rare earth ones. Not expensive at all. Highly recommended.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11777&item=4160303362
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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-330647485-1081650365=:63095-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 11 03:26:37 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:26:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Good cache logs Message-ID: <20040410202638.24383.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Thanks Rand....we wanted to do something unusual and different, ("Unk Sam" was good to us this year) so we are having fun. Trisha On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 13:36:40 -0700, "RAND HARDIN" wrote: Trisha, � Sounds like a great cache!� You really spent a lot of time putting it together; and from the descriptions of the�prizes in the cache it sounds like someone made out pretty well! � Great logs! � Congratulations, � Rand (RandMan) � � � ----- Original Message ----- From: Trisha Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:19 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Good cache logs �I also agree....I love to read good logs. Dan, you are so right, thepleasure of reading about the experience IS the cache hider's reward.To that end, check out my new cache "Dream Prize Cache" in thePrescott area....waypoint GCHQAB, and point of the cache, good logs!(and a unique experience, and who knows what one may find at the endof the rainbow??)It's a very good cache, you may want to try and find it, IF you can!!Trisha "Lightning"Prescott From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 11 03:31:50 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:31:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Magnets References: <20040411022605.65216.qmail@web60207.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003001c41f75$86ef9760$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C41F3A.DA553D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable he forgot holding a altoids tin :) Nice to see ya around=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J H/TEAM 360=20 To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:26 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Magnets Need magnets for your caches? I just bought a bunch on Ebay from this = guy in Sedona. they are the super strong rare earth ones. Not expensive = at all. Highly recommended. = http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D11777&item=3D416= 0303362 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C41F3A.DA553D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
he forgot holding a altoids = tin

:)

Nice to see ya around

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 J = H/TEAM=20 360
To: az-geocaching@lis= tserv.azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 = 7:26=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Magnets

Need magnets for your caches? I just bought a bunch on Ebay from = this guy=20 in Sedona. they are the super strong rare earth ones. Not expensive at = all.=20 Highly recommended.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am= p;category=3D11777&item=3D4160303362

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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C41F3A.DA553D00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 11 03:42:54 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:42:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New to Geocaching :-) Message-ID: <20040410204255.4651.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Welcome Squishy Gecko! Being an amateur herpatologist, I love that name! We are glad you are 'here'....geocaching....and in this virtual family... and hope you enjoy your caching experiences. If you are headed up Prescott way and want any suggestions, please let me know, I'd be glad to help. I think the "Team" thing is not something set in stone. It seems to be just one more fun way to refer to your selves. I cache as "Lightning" (full name Lightning1996YCJP, which references my search and rescue jeep posse number) and when my hubby is with me he is "VStar". (after the motorcycle). Awhile ago, when my now-teenage daughters came along with us (one now 'hates' it, the other 'doesn't care' ....blah blah blah teenage verbiage) the older one was "glow gurl" and the younger was "thunderbolt" and we dubbed the whole family "Team Storm Cell" but it was not official, just for fun in a few of the logs we did all together. Anyway, glad you spoke up and remember, it's a game and it's supposed to be fun! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott www.ycjp.org On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:39:51 -0700 (PDT), SquishyGecko wrote: Hi all ... � Fairly new to the geocaching hobby, however I've already located four caches and have ordered a few travel bugs of my own to start planting around the greater Phoenix area. :) � The equipment I'm using is a Toshiba laptop with a GPS receiver, a wifi card, and DeLorme Maps.� Maybe someday I'll purchase a handheld GPS receiver and make life a little easier. � I've noticed there are quite a few teams operating, and wonder what the benefit of operating within a team might be.� Are there team-oriented events? � Aside from that, any tips and advice which you might offer would be awesome. � Thanks! �Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 11 06:35:05 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 2:35:05 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Magnets Message-ID: <20040411063507.QABJ15918.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1081665305530_R)Vd3PAkv1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you know if these are the brittle earth magnets? A friend of mine picked up some that weren't plated, and if you weren't holding them tightly and they collided, both magnets shattered. If they're solid, these would be a great deal. Brian Team A.I. > > From: J H/TEAM 360 > Date: 2004/04/10 Sat PM 10:26:05 EDT > To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Magnets > > Need magnets for your caches? I just bought a bunch on Ebay from this guy in Sedona. they are the super strong rare earth ones. Not expensive at all. Highly recommended. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11777&item=4160303362 > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th > Brian Team A.I. ------=____1081665305530_R)Vd3PAkv1 Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"

Need magnets for your caches? I just bought a bunch on Ebay from this guy in Sedona. they are the super strong rare earth ones. Not expensive at all. Highly recommended.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11777&item=4160303362

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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th ------=____1081665305530_R)Vd3PAkv1-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 11 23:47:57 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (J H/TEAM 360) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <200404111905.MAA01634@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <20040411234757.98866.qmail@web60208.mail.yahoo.com> --0-2126486981-1081727277=:98461 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii These are the earth magnets, but they are really small and I doubt they would break...besides, I am putting them INSIDE the microcache, so they won't "smack" on anything...they should be okay, I am guessing...I got 60 of them for $14 total, not too bad at all.... Do you know if these are the brittle earth magnets? A friend of mine picked up some that weren't plated, and if you weren't holding them tightly and they collided, both magnets shattered. If they're solid, these would be a great deal. Brian Team A.I. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-2126486981-1081727277=:98461 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

These are the earth magnets, but they are really small and I doubt they would break...besides, I am putting them INSIDE the microcache, so they won't "smack" on anything...they should be okay, I am guessing...I got 60 of them for $14 total, not too bad at all....

Do you know if these are the brittle earth magnets? A friend of mine picked up some that weren't plated, and if you weren't holding them tightly and they collided, both magnets shattered. If they're solid, these would be a great deal.

Brian
Team A.I.

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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-2126486981-1081727277=:98461-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 11 23:54:30 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How to ensure that ASP.NET State service is started? (see details here) Message-ID: <20040411235430.12494.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> I have been getting this error message frequently when working Geocaching.com pages. Can anyone give me advice on how to fix it? Here is how the error message page begins: Server Error in '/' Application. Unable to make the session state request to the session state server. Please ensure that the ASP.NET State service is started and that the client and server ports are the same. If the server is on a remote machine, please ensure that it accepts remote requests by checking the value of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\aspnet_state\Parameters\AllowRemoteConnection. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 00:08:45 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Loran Wilcox) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How to ensure that ASP.NET State service is started? (see details here) References: <20040411235430.12494.qmail@web21109.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000701c42022$54f166a0$0500a8c0@one> It's got to be the site. It been the same here in Michigan. Team Sand Dollar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Akerman" To: Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How to ensure that ASP.NET State service is started? (see details here) > I have been getting this error message frequently when working Geocaching.com pages. Can anyone > give me advice on how to fix it? Here is how the error message page begins: > > Server Error in '/' Application. > Unable to make the session state request to the session state server. Please ensure that the > ASP.NET State service is started and that the client and server ports are the same. If the server > is on a remote machine, please ensure that it accepts remote requests by checking the value of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\aspnet_state\Parameters \AllowRemoteConnection. > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 00:28:05 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:28:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How to ensure that ASP.NET State service is started? (see d Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C41FEA.598C6D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ken, This is being discussed in the forums today. There is heavy traffic on t= he site today. GC.com is not quite ready to run multiple servers yet; bu= t as of May 1st they should be better prepared. http://forums.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=3D68790&st=3D0&#entr= y870554 RandMan ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Akerman Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 5:02 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] How to ensure that ASP.NET State service is star= ted? (see details here) I have been getting this error message frequently when working Geocaching= com pages. Can anyone give me advice on how to fix it? Here is how the error message page begi= ns: Server Error in '/' Application. Unable to make the session state request to the session state server. Ple= ase ensure that the ASP.NET State service is started and that the client and server ports are= the same. If the server is on a remote machine, please ensure that it accepts remote requests by = checking the value of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Service= s\aspnet_state\Parameters\AllowRemoteConnection. ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C41FEA.598C6D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ken,

This is being discussed in the forums today. Th= ere is heavy traffic on the site today. GC.com is not quite ready t= o run multiple servers yet; but as of May 1st they should be better prepa= red.

http://foru= ms.groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=3D68790&st=3D0&#entry87= 0554

RandMan

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Akerman

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Subject: [Az-Geocaching]= How to ensure that ASP.NET State service is started? (see details here)<= /DIV>

I have been getting this error message frequently = when working Geocaching.com pages. Can anyone
give me advice on how to= fix it? Here is how the error message page begins:

Server E= rror in '/' Application.
Unable to make the session state request to t= he session state server. Please ensure that the
ASP.NET State service = is started and that the client and server ports are the same. If the serv= er
is on a remote machine, please ensure that it accepts remote reques= ts by checking the value of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\S= ervices\aspnet_state\Parameters\AllowRemoteConnection.
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C41FEA.598C6D00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 00:46:29 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:46:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geotrashing.com Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C41FEC.EB30BFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a reminder to everyone that not only should we be supporting our CIT= O program, but show equal support for our GEOTRASHING program. http://www.forgottenrelics.com/geotrashing =20 Happy caching and trashing, RandMan =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C41FEC.EB30BFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just a reminde= r to everyone that not only should we be supporting our CITO program= , but show equal support for our GEOTRASHING program.

http://www.forgottenrelics.com/geotrashing

Happy caching and trashing,

RandMan

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C41FEC.EB30BFC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 02:02:05 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:02:05 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing ticket cache.. Message-ID: <154.325e3ce6.2dab529d@aol.com> -------------------------------1081735324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This cache and cache container was removed yesterday by the previous cacher, who felt it necessary to do so without the cacher owner's permission. The cache has been maintained today - a new ammo can substituted for the inadequate container left and multiple, new swag items replacing the emptied goodies. Unfortunately, trade items left by the earlier cachers were also removed. The new OFFICIAL cache log was started with pasted logs from the website to log previous visits. (my aplologies to those who may have written more in the log than the cache page). Thanks to the earlier cachers for your support - you know who you are! This cache will be maintained by me in an appropriate manner. -------------------------------1081735324 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This cache and cache container was removed yesterday by the previou= s cacher, who felt it necessary to do so without the cacher owner's permissi= on.

The cache has been maintained today - a new ammo can substituted fo= r the inadequate container left and multiple, new swag items replacing the e= mptied goodies. Unfortunately, trade items left by the earlier c= achers were also removed. The new OFFICIAL cache log was started= with pasted logs from the website to log previous visits. (my aplolog= ies to those who may have written more in the log than the cache page). Than= ks to the earlier cachers for your support - you know who you are!

Th= is cache will be maintained by me in an appropriate manner.

= -------------------------------1081735324-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 02:10:20 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 19:10:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing ticket cache.. References: <154.325e3ce6.2dab529d@aol.com> Message-ID: <002f01c42033$4e89ef60$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C41FF8.A1F8BCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know that the full TEF team, when we can, will be looking forward to = signing that log ----- Original Message -----=20 From: PThomp9719@aol.com=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 7:02 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing ticket cache.. This cache and cache container was removed yesterday by the previous = cacher, who felt it necessary to do so without the cacher owner's = permission. The cache has been maintained today - a new ammo can substituted for = the inadequate container left and multiple, new swag items replacing the = emptied goodies. Unfortunately, trade items left by the earlier = cachers were also removed. The new OFFICIAL cache log was started with = pasted logs from the website to log previous visits. (my aplologies to = those who may have written more in the log than the cache page). Thanks = to the earlier cachers for your support - you know who you are! This cache will be maintained by me in an appropriate manner. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C41FF8.A1F8BCC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I know that the full TEF team, when we can, will be = looking=20 forward to signing that log

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 PThomp9719@aol.com

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 = 7:02=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: = Missing=20 ticket cache..

This cache and cache container was removed yesterday by the = previous=20 cacher, who felt it necessary to do so without the cacher owner's=20 permission.

The cache has been maintained today - a new ammo can = substituted for=20 the inadequate container left and multiple, new swag items replacing = the=20 emptied goodies. Unfortunately, trade items left by the = earlier=20 cachers were also removed. The new OFFICIAL cache log was = started=20 with pasted logs from the website to log previous visits. (my = aplologies=20 to those who may have written more in the log than the cache page). = Thanks to=20 the earlier cachers for your support - you know who you = are!

This cache=20 will be maintained by me in an appropriate=20 manner.

------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C41FF8.A1F8BCC0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 03:43:52 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:43:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geotrashing.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c42040$5fd18960$6601a8c0@Business> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C42005.B372B160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * http://www.forgottenrelics.com/geotrashing Someone seems, shall we say, disenchanted. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C42005.B372B160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ø http://www.forgottenr= elics.com/geotrashing

Someone seems, shall we say, disenchanted.

Steve

Team Tierra Buena =

------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C42005.B372B160-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 04:09:53 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:09:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geotrashing.com In-Reply-To: <001301c42040$5fd18960$6601a8c0@Business> References: <001301c42040$5fd18960$6601a8c0@Business> Message-ID: <407A1691.1010408@usa.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030506090009010507050408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Or someone with an interesting sense of humor. check out http://www.forgottenrelics.com/ and then decide. Team Tierra Buena wrote: > > > � http://www.forgottenrelics.com/geotrashing > > > > Someone seems, shall we say, disenchanted. > > > > Steve > > Team Tierra Buena > > > > > > > --------------030506090009010507050408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Or someone with an interesting sense of humor. check out http://www.forgottenrelics.com/ and then decide.

Team Tierra Buena wrote:

Ø http://www.forgottenrelics.com/geotrashing

Someone seems, shall we say, disenchanted.

Steve

Team Tierra Buena

--------------030506090009010507050408-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 04:43:38 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ken Akerman) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] My response to "Missing Ticket" cache Message-ID: <20040412044338.38092.qmail@web21111.mail.yahoo.com> --0-490804412-1081745018=:36359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Geocachers, I am writing to state my point of view on the controversial "Missing Ticket" cache. I am responding in order to address some incorrect allegations that have been levied against me. I feel that I did the right thing by removing the original cache container and replacing it with another one. For those who are unfamiliar, here is the chronology of the story. At the Picacho Peak event cache (GCHQC7) that I hosted on March 14, 2004, I offered an ammo can with log book, pen, pencil, and geocaching sheet as a door prize to one of the participants. Event participants donated items to the cache. The winner of the ammo can was free to place this ammo can as a new cache. As the geocacher who was both the host of this event and who paid for the ammo can, I put several stipulations on the placement of the new cache, as described on the geocaching event page. Here are the stipulations that I put on the placement of this new cache (directly quoting from GCHQC7): "We will award a grand prize of a 30 cal. ammo can with logbook that the winner can place as a geocache. Please bring items to contribute to the cache. The winner can place this geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing cache". The winner of this ammo can was supposed to be willing and able to place the new cache subject to these stipulations. As a geocacher who particularly enjoys visiting non-urban geocaches off the beaten path, and one who feels that there is a great disparity between the ratio of urban caches versus non-urban caches, I wanted to see this new cache placed in an interesting area outside of the urban or residential areas that would introduce geocachers to an interesting area to visit, or provide a moderate physical challenge. Because I wanted this cache to remain in existence for a long time, I wanted this new cache to be placed in an area where it would be less likely to be found accidentally. Moreover, I wanted to challenge the winner of this ammo can to find an interesting and perhaps unique location for this cache, a different and more special location than a typical urban location in such places as city parks or washes. Nowhere in the specifications did I require that a long hike was required to reach the cache. Several geocachers (PANDA77, Lincoln, and puz-zel, for example) have placed many excellent geocaches in rural areas of Arizona, not close to paved roads, but which are a short hike from the vehicle and which are available to almost all geocachers. When I found the the winner of this ammo can had placed the new cache, I checked it out and I was very disappointed with the location that she chose, based on its map location from Mapquest.com. The mapping showed that it appeared to be in a wash in the middle of a residential area of north Tucson. In a private communication, I sent her an e-mail, kindly asking her to move the ammo can to a new location that more clearly met the stipulations of the award. I provided several suggestions of good places, and emphasized that the location did not have to require hiking to reach, as I mentioned areas such as the Chiricahua Mountains of southeastern Arizona which have many miles of well-graded, car-passable dirt roads. She refused to move the ammo can, and sent her reply to the entire listserv, which I felt was a very disrespectful thing to do. This should have been kept as a private matter, not brought out in the open and turned into a public controversy. She offered to send the contents of the ammo can back to me plus $5 to compensate me for the cost of the ammo can. I was planning on doing my weekend geocaching in the Tucson area, so early on Friday I sent her an e-mail explaining that I was planning on visiting the cache on Saturday and I would replace the container. Therefore, by doing this, I was saving her the time and expense of getting the cache and sending the contents back to me. She did not reply to me before I left Tempe Saturday morning. However, since she offered to return cache contents and cost of the ammo can to me, this implied that I had permission to recover the cache, and leaving the new container with a logbook, geocaching sheet, pencil and some contents was a courtesy to keep the cache active and available for another geocacher to find it later in the day. When I arrived in the cache vicinity to find the cache, I felt even more dismayed by that location that this geocacher chose for the cache. It was located in a wash lined by houses on both sides. I drove to within 0.11 miles on pavement to the nearest public access to the wash. Clearly, it was very close to a paved road, in an urban location, and didn't require much time or effort to reach. I hiked down the wash, and found the ammo can placed in the lower truck of a tree, completely exposed with only a few broken branches on top it. There appeared to be no good effort to hide this cache from non-geocachers. The cache was less than 50 from the backyard of the nearest house. There is trash in the wash, and neighborhood kids play nearby in the backyards of houses or in the wash. This is not a very scenic location, and my partner mentioned that he was not impressed with this area. Obviously, it would appear very likely that some neighborhood kids, hiking in or playing the wash, or some other individual would find this cache and remove or ransack it. Moreover, it was near the bottom of the wash, so the cache could be washed away in a heavy rain. Therefore, I felt it was perfectly appropriate for me to remove and replace this cache. Let me state that I was not opposed to this spot as the location of a geocache. I attempt to find almost every geocache placed, and this would have been a good location for a geocache that the cache owner had made from her own container and supplies. However, I awarded this ammo can as a prize at an event cache located in a rural location in Arizona at one of the state's better-known natural attractions, so I wanted this new geocache placed in a location that reflected the location of the event and would be in a location that would provide a moderate physical challenge to reach, or would be in a location that many geocachers would be willing to go out of their way to visit. If a geocacher who won the prize was unable to place the new cache as I had intended, then he or she should not have entered the drawing or have accepted the prize, or offered to give the ammo can to another geocacher who could have placed it as I had intended. Also, there was no need to have placed the geocache in a hasty manner. If she didn't have time to do it now, she could have waited until late spring or summer, when the weather at high elevations would be more pleasant and provide a comfortable respite to the heat of the cities. If she wasn't sure where to place it, I would have welcomed an e-mail inquiry from here, asking for suggestions for good locations for the cache. (I have traveled to and hiked in every county of Arizona and I feel that I know the state better than most people, even those who have lived in Arizona a lot longer that I have). I hope you now understand my point of view on this matter. I know that some people will disagree with me here, but I also hope that many other geocachers will agree that I took the proper action under these circumstances. I was really looking forward to this geocache being placed in a very interesting area that would expand the boundaries of geocaching to some degree. (I admit that one error I made in my event cache description was that I should have used the word "should" instead of "can." However, I did not want to come across as being too restrictive in my event cache description, to provide all geocachers with an opportunity to win and place the cache. However, once that person won the cache, I was hoping that she would have looked for a location that came somewhat close to satisfying my preferences). Therefore, I will research some potential sites for this cache and I will place it sometime during the spring or summer of this year. Any geocacher who has a reliable vehicle and who is in good physical condition will be able to reach it. Most likely it will be in Pinal County, between Phoenix and Tucson and not far from Picacho Peak. Ken Akerman (a.k.a Highpointer) --0-490804412-1081745018=:36359 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Geocachers,

I am writing to state my point of view on the controversial "Missing Ticket" cache. I am responding in order to address some incorrect allegations that have been levied against me. I feel that I did the right thing by removing the original cache container and replacing it with another one. For those who are unfamiliar, here is the chronology of the story.

At the Picacho Peak event cache (GCHQC7) that I hosted on March 14, 2004, I offered an ammo can with log book, pen, pencil, and geocaching sheet as a door prize to one of the participants. Event participants donated items to the cache. The winner of the ammo can was free to place this ammo can as a new cache. As the geocacher who was both the host of this event and who paid for the ammo can, I put several stipulations on the placement of the new cache, as described on the geocaching event page. Here are the stipulations that I put on the placement of this new cache (directly quoting from GCHQC7):

"We will award a grand prize of a 30 cal. ammo can with logbook that the winner can place as a geocache. Please bring items to contribute to the cache. The winner can place this geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing cache".

The winner of this ammo can was supposed to be willing and able to place the new cache subject to these stipulations. As a geocacher who particularly enjoys visiting non-urban geocaches off the beaten path, and one who feels that there is a great disparity between the ratio of urban caches versus non-urban caches, I wanted to see this new cache placed in an interesting area outside of the urban or residential areas that would introduce geocachers to an interesting area to visit, or provide a moderate physical challenge. Because I wanted this cache to remain in existence for a long time, I wanted this new cache to be placed in an area where it would be less likely to be found accidentally.

Moreover, I wanted to challenge the winner of this ammo can to find an interesting and perhaps unique location for this cache, a different and more special location than a typical urban location in such places as city parks or washes. Nowhere in the specifications did I require that a long hike was required to reach the cache. Several geocachers (PANDA77, Lincoln, and puz-zel, for example) have placed many excellent geocaches in rural areas of Arizona, not close to paved roads, but which are a short hike from the vehicle and which are available to almost all geocachers.

When I found the the winner of this ammo can had placed the new cache, I checked it out and I was very disappointed with the location that she chose, based on its map location from Mapquest.com. The mapping showed that it appeared to be in a wash in the middle of a residential area of north Tucson. In a private communication, I sent her an e-mail, kindly asking her to move the ammo can to a new location that more clearly met the stipulations of the award. I provided several suggestions of good places, and emphasized that the location did not have to require hiking to reach, as I mentioned areas such as the Chiricahua Mountains of southeastern Arizona which have many miles of well-graded, car-passable dirt roads.

She refused to move the ammo can, and sent her reply to the entire listserv, which I felt was a very disrespectful thing to do. This should have been kept as a private matter, not brought out in the open and turned into a public controversy.

She offered to send the contents of the ammo can back to me plus $5 to compensate me for the cost of the ammo can. I was planning on doing my weekend geocaching in the Tucson area, so early on Friday I sent her an e-mail explaining that I was planning on visiting the cache on Saturday and I would replace the container. Therefore, by doing this, I was saving her the time and expense of getting the cache and sending the contents back to me. She did not reply to me before I left Tempe Saturday morning. However, since she offered to return cache contents and cost of the ammo can to me, this implied that I had permission to recover the cache, and leaving the new container with a logbook, geocaching sheet, pencil and some contents was a courtesy to keep the cache active and available for another geocacher to find it later in the day.

When I arrived in the cache vicinity to find the cache, I felt even more dismayed by that location that this geocacher chose for the cache. It was located in a wash lined by houses on both sides. I drove to within 0.11 miles on pavement to the nearest public access to the wash. Clearly, it was very close to a paved road, in an urban location, and didn't require much time or effort to reach.

I hiked down the wash, and found the ammo can placed in the lower truck of a tree, completely exposed with only a few broken branches on top it. There appeared to be no good effort to hide this cache from non-geocachers. The cache was less than 50 from the backyard of the nearest house. There is trash in the wash, and neighborhood kids play nearby in the backyards of houses or in the wash. This is not a very scenic location, and my partner mentioned that he was not impressed with this area. Obviously, it would appear very likely that some neighborhood kids, hiking in or playing the wash, or some other individual would find this cache and remove or ransack it. Moreover, it was near the bottom of the wash, so the cache could be washed away in a heavy rain.

Therefore, I felt it was perfectly appropriate for me to remove and replace this cache. Let me state that I was not opposed to this spot as the location of a geocache. I attempt to find almost every geocache placed, and this would have been a good location for a geocache that the cache owner had made from her own container and supplies. However, I awarded this ammo can as a prize at an event cache located in a rural location in Arizona at one of the state's better-known natural attractions, so I wanted this new geocache placed in a location that reflected the location of the event and would be in a location that would provide a moderate physical challenge to reach, or would be in a location that many geocachers would be willing to go out of their way to visit.

If a geocacher who won the prize was unable to place the new cache as I had intended, then he or she should not have entered the drawing or have accepted the prize, or offered to give the ammo can to another geocacher who could have placed it as I had intended. Also, there was no need to have placed the geocache in a hasty manner. If she didn't have time to do it now, she could have waited until late spring or summer, when the weather at high elevations would be more pleasant and provide a comfortable respite to the heat of the cities. If she wasn't sure where to place it, I would have welcomed an e-mail inquiry from here, asking for suggestions for good locations for the cache. (I have traveled to and hiked in every county of Arizona and I feel that I know the state better than most people, even those who have lived in Arizona a lot longer that I have).

I hope you now understand my point of view on this matter. I know that some people will disagree with me here, but I also hope that many other geocachers will agree that I took the proper action under these circumstances. I was really looking forward to this geocache being placed in a very interesting area that would expand the boundaries of geocaching to some degree. (I admit that one error I made in my event cache description was that I should have used the word "should" instead of "can." However, I did not want to come across as being too restrictive in my event cache description, to provide all geocachers with an opportunity to win and place the cache. However, once that person won the cache, I was hoping that she would have looked for a location that came somewhat close to satisfying my preferences).

Therefore, I will research some potential sites for this cache and I will place it sometime during the spring or summer of this year. Any geocacher who has a reliable vehicle and who is in good physical condition will be able to reach it. Most likely it will be in Pinal County, between Phoenix and Tucson and not far from Picacho Peak.

Ken Akerman (a.k.a Highpointer)

--0-490804412-1081745018=:36359-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 05:23:12 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:23:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] My response to "Missing Ticket" cache In-Reply-To: <20040412044338.38092.qmail@web21111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0150_01C42013.939AF510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Like you, I also think there are too few remote caches places in proportion to the number of urban caches. While many enjoy the challenge of finding a cache under the noses of the others in a park, we have never found this interesting, and have, in fact, never bothered to find an urban cache. We are completely unable to understand what would make someone want to fight traffic and crowds all day to log 10, or 30, or even 100 urban caches. I'm sure many here don't understand why we would spend all day in 4-wheel low finding 2 caches in the middle of nowhere. I guess if we all liked things the same, we would all want to be married to the same woman (man). I hope this cache finds a good home in a wilder place. Bill in Willcox _____ From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Akerman Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 9:44 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] My response to "Missing Ticket" cache "We will award a grand prize of a 30 cal. ammo can with logbook that the winner can place as a geocache. Please bring items to contribute to the cache. The winner can place this geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing cache". I hope you now understand my point of view on this matter. I know that some people will disagree with me here, but I also hope that many other geocachers will agree that I took the proper action under these circumstances. I was really looking forward to this geocache being placed in a very interesting area that would expand the boundaries of geocaching to some degree. (I admit that one error I made in my event cache description was that I should have used the word "should" instead of "can." However, I did not want to come across as being too restrictive in my event cache description, to provide all geocachers with an opportunity to win and place the cache. However, once that person won the cache, I was hoping that she would have looked for a location that came somewhat close to satisfying my preferences). Therefore, I will research some potential sites for this cache and I will place it sometime during the spring or summer of this year. Any geocacher who has a reliable vehicle and who is in good physical condition will be able to reach it. Most likely it will be in Pinal County, between Phoenix and Tucson and not far from Picacho Peak. Ken Akerman (a.k.a Highpointer) ------=_NextPart_000_0150_01C42013.939AF510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the thoughtful = reply. Like you, I also think there are too few remote caches places in proportion = to the number of urban caches. While many enjoy the challenge of finding = a cache under the noses of the others in a park, we have never found this = interesting, and have, in fact, never bothered to find an urban cache. We are completely unable to understand what would make someone want to fight = traffic and crowds all day to log 10, or 30, or even 100 urban caches. = I’m sure many here don’t understand why we would spend all day in = 4-wheel low finding 2 caches in the middle of nowhere. I guess if we all liked = things the same, we would all want to be married to the same woman = (man).

I hope this cache finds a = good home in a wilder place.

Bill in Willcox

From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Ken Akerman
Sent: Sunday, April 11, = 2004 9:44 PM
To: = listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = My response to "Missing Ticket" cache

"We will award a grand prize of a 30 cal. ammo can with logbook that the = winner can place as a geocache. Please bring items to contribute to the cache. = The winner = can place this geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away = from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing = cache".

I hope you now understand my point of view on this matter. I know that some = people will disagree with me here, but I also hope that many other geocachers = will agree that I took the proper action under these circumstances. I was = really looking forward to this geocache being placed in a very interesting area = that would expand the boundaries of geocaching to some degree. (I admit that = one error I made in my event cache description was that I should have = used the word "should" instead of = "can." However, I did not want to come across as being too restrictive in my event cache description, to provide all geocachers with an opportunity to = win and place the cache. However, once that person won the cache, I = was hoping that she would have looked for a location that came somewhat = close to satisfying my preferences).

Therefore, I will research some potential sites for this cache and I will place it sometime during the spring or summer of this year. Any geocacher who has = a reliable vehicle and who is in good physical condition will be able to = reach it. Most likely it will be in Pinal County, between Phoenix and Tucson = and not far from Picacho Peak.

Ken Akerman (a.k.a Highpointer)=

------=_NextPart_000_0150_01C42013.939AF510-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 08:52:15 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 4:52:15 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] My response to "Missing Ticket" cache Message-ID: <20040412085217.GIYZ17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1081759935257_.GvzwQ,TsK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken, I understand your point of view, and to an extent I agree. However, this situation has quickly become a case of making a mountain out of a mole hill. It's fine to set rules on how you would LIKE to see things done, but removing the ammo can without explicit permission to do so I disagree with. By offering to send you the ammo can back along with $$$, it sounds as though it was just to rid themselves of the aggravation of having to deal with an unnecessary situation. At the same time, it was your prize, and should have been placed per your request. This seems to have become one big cluster that was better off not happening at all. Brian Team A.I. > > From: Ken Akerman > Date: 2004/04/12 Mon AM 12:43:38 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] My response to "Missing Ticket" cache > > > Geocachers, > > I am writing to state my point of view on the controversial "Missing Ticket" cache. I am responding in order to address some incorrect allegations that have been levied against me. I feel that I did the right thing by removing the original cache container and replacing it with another one. For those who are unfamiliar, here is the chronology of the story. > > At the Picacho Peak event cache (GCHQC7) that I hosted on March 14, 2004, I offered an ammo can with log book, pen, pencil, and geocaching sheet as a door prize to one of the participants. Event participants donated items to the cache. The winner of the ammo can was free to place this ammo can as a new cache. As the geocacher who was both the host of this event and who paid for the ammo can, I put several stipulations on the placement of the new cache, as described on the geocaching event page. Here are the stipulations that I put on the placement of this new cache (directly quoting from GCHQC7): > > "We will award a grand prize of a 30 cal. ammo can with logbook that the winner can place as a geocache. Please bring items to contribute to the cache. The winner can place this geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing cache". > > The winner of this ammo can was supposed to be willing and able to place the new cache subject to these stipulations. As a geocacher who particularly enjoys visiting non-urban geocaches off the beaten path, and one who feels that there is a great disparity between the ratio of urban caches versus non-urban caches, I wanted to see this new cache placed in an interesting area outside of the urban or residential areas that would introduce geocachers to an interesting area to visit, or provide a moderate physical challenge. Because I wanted this cache to remain in existence for a long time, I wanted this new cache to be placed in an area where it would be less likely to be found accidentally. > > Moreover, I wanted to challenge the winner of this ammo can to find an interesting and perhaps unique location for this cache, a different and more special location than a typical urban location in such places as city parks or washes. Nowhere in the specifications did I require that a long hike was required to reach the cache. Several geocachers (PANDA77, Lincoln, and puz-zel, for example) have placed many excellent geocaches in rural areas of Arizona, not close to paved roads, but which are a short hike from the vehicle and which are available to almost all geocachers. > > When I found the the winner of this ammo can had placed the new cache, I checked it out and I was very disappointed with the location that she chose, based on its map location from Mapquest.com. The mapping showed that it appeared to be in a wash in the middle of a residential area of north Tucson. In a private communication, I sent her an e-mail, kindly asking her to move the ammo can to a new location that more clearly met the stipulations of the award. I provided several suggestions of good places, and emphasized that the location did not have to require hiking to reach, as I mentioned areas such as the Chiricahua Mountains of southeastern Arizona which have many miles of well-graded, car-passable dirt roads. > > She refused to move the ammo can, and sent her reply to the entire listserv, which I felt was a very disrespectful thing to do. This should have been kept as a private matter, not brought out in the open and turned into a public controversy. > > She offered to send the contents of the ammo can back to me plus $5 to compensate me for the cost of the ammo can. I was planning on doing my weekend geocaching in the Tucson area, so early on Friday I sent her an e-mail explaining that I was planning on visiting the cache on Saturday and I would replace the container. Therefore, by doing this, I was saving her the time and expense of getting the cache and sending the contents back to me. She did not reply to me before I left Tempe Saturday morning. However, since she offered to return cache contents and cost of the ammo can to me, this implied that I had permission to recover the cache, and leaving the new container with a logbook, geocaching sheet, pencil and some contents was a courtesy to keep the cache active and available for another geocacher to find it later in the day. > > When I arrived in the cache vicinity to find the cache, I felt even more dismayed by that location that this geocacher chose for the cache. It was located in a wash lined by houses on both sides. I drove to within 0.11 miles on pavement to the nearest public access to the wash. Clearly, it was very close to a paved road, in an urban location, and didn't require much time or effort to reach. > > I hiked down the wash, and found the ammo can placed in the lower truck of a tree, completely exposed with only a few broken branches on top it. There appeared to be no good effort to hide this cache from non-geocachers. The cache was less than 50 from the backyard of the nearest house. There is trash in the wash, and neighborhood kids play nearby in the backyards of houses or in the wash. This is not a very scenic location, and my partner mentioned that he was not impressed with this area. Obviously, it would appear very likely that some neighborhood kids, hiking in or playing the wash, or some other individual would find this cache and remove or ransack it. Moreover, it was near the bottom of the wash, so the cache could be washed away in a heavy rain. > > Therefore, I felt it was perfectly appropriate for me to remove and replace this cache. Let me state that I was not opposed to this spot as the location of a geocache. I attempt to find almost every geocache placed, and this would have been a good location for a geocache that the cache owner had made from her own container and supplies. However, I awarded this ammo can as a prize at an event cache located in a rural location in Arizona at one of the state's better-known natural attractions, so I wanted this new geocache placed in a location that reflected the location of the event and would be in a location that would provide a moderate physical challenge to reach, or would be in a location that many geocachers would be willing to go out of their way to visit. > > If a geocacher who won the prize was unable to place the new cache as I had intended, then he or she should not have entered the drawing or have accepted the prize, or offered to give the ammo can to another geocacher who could have placed it as I had intended. Also, there was no need to have placed the geocache in a hasty manner. If she didn't have time to do it now, she could have waited until late spring or summer, when the weather at high elevations would be more pleasant and provide a comfortable respite to the heat of the cities. If she wasn't sure where to place it, I would have welcomed an e-mail inquiry from here, asking for suggestions for good locations for the cache. (I have traveled to and hiked in every county of Arizona and I feel that I know the state better than most people, even those who have lived in Arizona a lot longer that I have). > > I hope you now understand my point of view on this matter. I know that some people will disagree with me here, but I also hope that many other geocachers will agree that I took the proper action under these circumstances. I was really looking forward to this geocache being placed in a very interesting area that would expand the boundaries of geocaching to some degree. (I admit that one error I made in my event cache description was that I should have used the word "should" instead of "can." However, I did not want to come across as being too restrictive in my event cache description, to provide all geocachers with an opportunity to win and place the cache. However, once that person won the cache, I was hoping that she would have looked for a location that came somewhat close to satisfying my preferences). > > Therefore, I will research some potential sites for this cache and I will place it sometime during the spring or summer of this year. Any geocacher who has a reliable vehicle and who is in good physical condition will be able to reach it. Most likely it will be in Pinal County, between Phoenix and Tucson and not far from Picacho Peak. > > Ken Akerman (a.k.a Highpointer) > > > Brian Team A.I. ------=____1081759935257_.GvzwQ,TsK Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"

Geocachers,

Ken Akerman (a.k.a Highpointer)

------=____1081759935257_.GvzwQ,TsK-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 11:33:11 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:33:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Message-ID: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C42047.43731980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no = caching done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C42047.43731980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have wondered this as according to = the AZ site=20 there has been no caching done in Arizona since April = 5th....

------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C42047.43731980-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 11:33:43 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Geotrashing.com References: <001301c42040$5fd18960$6601a8c0@Business> Message-ID: <006001c42082$02be9be0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C42047.563E3220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the GeoTrashing must have been written by a cache owner after seeing the = degradation of their cache.. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Team Tierra Buena=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Geotrashing.com =20 =D8 http://www.forgottenrelics.com/geotrashing=20 =20 Someone seems, shall we say, disenchanted. =20 Steve Team Tierra Buena=20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C42047.563E3220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

the GeoTrashing must have been written = by a cache=20 owner after seeing the degradation of their cache..

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Team Tierra Buena =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 = 8:43=20 PM

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching]=20 Geotrashing.com

=D8 =20 http://www.forgottenr= elics.com/geotrashing=20

Someone = seems,=20 shall we say, disenchanted.

Steve

Team = Tierra Buena=20

------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C42047.563E3220-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 13:16:19 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:16:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <004701c42090$57b55ea0$1c01a8c0@connie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C42055.AB5686A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C42055.AB5686A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one = caching??

I have wondered this as according to = the AZ site=20 there has been no caching done in Arizona since April = 5th....

------=_NextPart_000_0048_01C42055.AB5686A0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 13:24:09 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:24:09 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <004c01c42091$7002e080$1c01a8c0@connie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C42056.C3A40880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up coming wedding which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be able to attend the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and family still in town. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now and Larry is biting at the bit. I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun and be safe. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C42056.C3A40880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As for=20 Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up coming = wedding=20 which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be able to = attend=20 the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and family still in = town.=20 We haven't been out of town for almost a month now and Larry is biting = at the=20 bit.

I'm=20 sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun and be=20 safe.

--Connie

Team=20 "Wyle E"

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 = AM
To:=20 listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one = caching??

I have wondered this as according to = the AZ site=20 there has been no caching done in Arizona since April = 5th....

------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C42056.C3A40880-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 13:58:03 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:58:03 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> References: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <407AA06B.3010705@cableone.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010602010206060305040203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand just how the AZ site works but my wife and I logged 5 finds in the last couple of days. I am sure the site will catch up to us soon. Bop Smith, part of Team Petite Elite Regan Smith wrote: > I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no > caching done in Arizona since April 5th.... > > --------------010602010206060305040203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't understand just how the AZ site works but my wife and I logged 5 finds in the last couple of days. I am sure the site will catch up to us soon.
Bop Smith, part of Team Petite Elite

Regan Smith wrote:

I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April 5th....

--------------010602010206060305040203-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 15:16:20 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 08:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <20040412151620.95137.qmail@web20415.mail.yahoo.com> --0-187300890-1081782980=:93933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been a bit busy since late last week, however according to the UPS website my geocaching supplies are in Phoenix, and should be delivered this morning. :-) Expect that by this evening I'll have stashed a shiny new cache, complete with a shiny travel bug, somewhere in the Phoenix area, and in the process will have located a few more. Take care, SquishyGecko :-) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-187300890-1081782980=:93933 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I've been a bit busy since late last week, however according to the UPS website my geocaching supplies are in Phoenix, and should be delivered this morning. :-) Expect that by this evening I'll have stashed a shiny new cache, complete with a shiny travel bug, somewhere in the Phoenix area, and in the process will have located a few more.

Take care,

SquishyGecko :-)

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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-187300890-1081782980=:93933-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 16:21:22 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:21:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C4206F.85595760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Regan, It's possible a lot of the local cachers from the Phoenix area have quit = geocaching in shame or disgust after failing to find the 04/04/04 cache. = (GCJ261) After three attempts and spending four hours looking for the cache, I was= ready to quit geocaching entirely! ;) :D =20 http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D45c34c2b-47b8-44= b4-8674-b694db2542a7&log=3Dy&decrypt=3D =20 Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Regan Smith Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:36 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no cachin= g done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C4206F.85595760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Regan,

It's = possible a lot of the local cachers from the Phoenix area have = quit geocaching in shame or disgust after failing to find the 0= 4/04/04 cache. (GCJ261)

After three attempts and spending four hours looking for the cache,&nb= sp;I was ready to quit geocaching entirely! ;) :D&nbs= p;

http://www.geocaching.com/seek= /cache_details.aspx?guid=3D45c34c2b-47b8-44b4-8674-b694db2542a7&log=3D= y&decrypt=3D

Rand

----- Original Message -----

From: Regan Sm= ith

Sent: Monday, April 12, = 2004 4:36 AM

To: listserv@az= geocaching.com

Subject: [Az-= Geocaching] Is no one caching??

I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there = has been no caching done in Arizona since April 5th....

------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C4206F.85595760-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 16:26:07 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:26:07 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C420AA.DBAFABCE Content-Type: text/plain Event cache? Coordinates? :) _____ From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:24 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Cc: Larry Farquhar Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up coming wedding which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be able to attend the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and family still in town. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now and Larry is biting at the bit. I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun and be safe. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C420AA.DBAFABCE Content-Type: text/html

Event cache? Coordinates?

From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:24 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Cc: Larry Farquhar
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching??

As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up coming wedding which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be able to attend the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and family still in town. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now and Larry is biting at the bit.

I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun and be safe.

--Connie

Team "Wyle E"

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching??

I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April 5th....

------_=_NextPart_001_01C420AA.DBAFABCE-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 16:44:10 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:44:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C42072.B4DC17E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Inaugural Adopt-A-Highway Cleanup" (GCHQTF) (April 17, 2004) (CITO ev= ent) http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D287888bc-514f-48= ab-9525-91e167957091 =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Koch, Dan Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:31 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Event cache? Coordinates? =20 :) From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching= -admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:24 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Cc: Larry Farquhar Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up comin= g wedding which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be= able to attend the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and = family still in town. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now = and Larry is biting at the bit. I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun and be sa= fe. --Connie Team "Wyle E" =20 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching= -admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no cachin= g done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C42072.B4DC17E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Inaugural Adopt-A-Highway Cleanup" = (GCHQTF) (April 17, 2004) (CITO event)

= ;

http://www.geocaching.com/s= eek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D287888bc-514f-48ab-9525-91e167957091

From: Koch, Dan

Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:31 AM
To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no= one caching??

= Event cache? Coordinates?

<= SPAN class=3D894512516-12042004>:)

&n= bsp;

From: az-= geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@li= stserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net
<= B>Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:24 AM
To: listserv@azgeoca= ching.com
Cc: Larry Farquhar
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocach= ing] Is no one caching??

As for= Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up coming= wedding which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be = able to attend the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and f= amily still in town. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now a= nd Larry is biting at the bit.

I'm sure ther= e will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun and be safe.

--Connie

Team "Wyle E"

<= DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader>= -----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.a= zgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]= On Behalf Of Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 = AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocach= ing] Is no one caching??

I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no = caching done in Arizona since April 5th....

------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C42072.B4DC17E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 17:31:25 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:31:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C420B3.FAE72F4A Content-Type: text/plain No no no...for the wedding!!! :) LazyK - Dan _____ From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND HARDIN Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:44 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? "Inaugural Adopt-A-Highway Cleanup" (GCHQTF) (April 17, 2004) (CITO event) http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=287888bc-514f-48ab-95 25-91e167957091 ----- Original Message ----- From: Koch, Dan Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:31 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Event cache? Coordinates? :) _____ From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:24 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Cc: Larry Farquhar Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up coming wedding which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be able to attend the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and family still in town. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now and Larry is biting at the bit. I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun and be safe. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------_=_NextPart_001_01C420B3.FAE72F4A Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No no=20 no...for the wedding!!! :)

LazyK=20 - Dan

From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 RAND HARDIN
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:44 = AM
To:=20 AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one=20 caching??

"Inaugural Adopt-A-Highway Cleanup" (GCHQTF) = (April 17,=20 2004) (CITO event)

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_deta= ils.aspx?guid=3D287888bc-514f-48ab-9525-91e167957091=20

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Koch, Dan
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 = 9:31=20 AM

To: = 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] = Is no one=20 caching??

Event cache? Coordinates? =20

:)

From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 connie.farquhar@cox.net
Sent: Monday, April 12, = 2004 6:24=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Cc: Larry=20 Farquhar
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one=20 caching??

As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy=20 with Leslie's up coming wedding which is on April 16th. = Which means=20 unfortunatly we will not be able to attend the event on Saturday = because=20 of wedding activities, and family still in town. We haven't been = out of=20 town for almost a month now and Larry is biting at the=20 bit.

I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so = have fun and=20 be safe.

--Connie

Team "Wyle E"

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On = Behalf=20 Of Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching??

I have wondered this as = according to the AZ=20 site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April=20 5th....

------_=_NextPart_001_01C420B3.FAE72F4A-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 17:36:44 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040412173644.78407.qmail@web20405.mail.yahoo.com> --0-298512022-1081791404=:78166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That's too funny! I can just picture the wedding being crashed by a hoarde of strangers wandering around with GPS equipment. :-) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-298512022-1081791404=:78166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

That's too funny! I can just picture the wedding being crashed by a hoarde of strangers wandering around with GPS equipment. :-)

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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-298512022-1081791404=:78166-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 17:42:29 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:42:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C4207A.DA1DC6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, Hehehehe. I kinda figured you were referring to the wedding, but I thoug= ht I would slip a reminder in for the event anyway. :) Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Koch, Dan Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:35 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? No no no...for the wedding!!! :) LazyK - Dan From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching= -admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND HARDIN Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:44 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? "Inaugural Adopt-A-Highway Cleanup" (GCHQTF) (April 17, 2004) (CITO ev= ent) http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D287888bc-514f-48= ab-9525-91e167957091 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Koch, Dan Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:31 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Event cache? Coordinates? =20 :) From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching= -admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:24 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Cc: Larry Farquhar Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up comin= g wedding which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be= able to attend the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and = family still in town. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now = and Larry is biting at the bit. I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun and be sa= fe. --Connie Team "Wyle E" =20 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching= -admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no cachin= g done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C4207A.DA1DC6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dan,

Heheheh= e. I kinda figured you were referring to the wedding, but I th= ought I would slip a reminder in for the event anyway. :)

Rand

&nb= sp;

----- Original Message -----

From: Koch, = Dan

Sent: Monday, April 12, = 2004 10:35 AM

To: 'listserv@= azgeocaching.com'

Subject: R= E: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching??

No no no...for t= he wedding!!! :)

<= /DIV>
LazyK - Dan

From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin= @listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND HARDIN
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:44 AM
To: AZ-Geocaching
Subje= ct: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching??

"Inaugural Adopt-A-Highway Cleanup"  (GCHQTF) = ; (April 17, 2004) (CITO event)

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.a= spx?guid=3D287888bc-514f-48ab-9525-91e167957091

----- Original Me= ssage -----

From: Koch, Dan

= Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:31 AM

To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching??

Event cache? = Coordinates?

<= /FONT>

:)

&= nbsp;

From: az-geocaching-admin@= listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocachi= ng.com] On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net
Sent: Monda= y, April 12, 2004 6:24 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
C= c: Larry Farquhar
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one ca= ching??

As for Team "Wyle E" we= have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up coming wedding which is= on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be able to attend th= e event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and family still in to= wn. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now and Larry is bitin= g at the bit.

<= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I'm sure there will be a great= turn out on Saturday so have fun and be safe.

<= SPAN class=3D450331013-12042004>--Connie

Team "Wyle E" =

-----Original Mess= age-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [m= ailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of R= egan Smith
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM
To: l= istserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one cac= hing??

I have wonde= red this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching done in Ar= izona since April 5th....

<= /FONT>

------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C4207A.DA1DC6E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 17:48:30 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:48:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? References: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <00c901c420b6$5e5baea0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C4207B.B1D6B100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've cached on the 1st/5th/6th/8th and now the 12th so far in Arizona. = Looks like the data might have been changed again, or the crawler is = broken. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no = caching done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C4207B.B1D6B100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've cached on the 1st/5th/6th/8th and = now the 12th=20 so far in Arizona. Looks like the data might have been changed = again, or=20 the crawler is broken.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan = Smith=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 = 4:33=20 AM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no = one=20 caching??

I have wondered this as according to = the AZ site=20 there has been no caching done in Arizona since April = 5th....

------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C4207B.B1D6B100-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 19:05:06 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:05:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <00c901c420b6$5e5baea0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> References: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <00c901c420b6$5e5baea0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <407AE862.6010405@Snaptek.com> Brian - Team A.I. wrote: > I've cached on the 1st/5th/6th/8th and now the 12th so far in Arizona. > Looks like the data might have been changed again, or the crawler is broken. Actually, due to a major bug in the recent changes to the crawler by me, the crawler is now non-existent :) It accidentally erased itself last Tuesday. (I forgot to test what would happen in something DIDN'T occur...DOH) Now all the computer types are thinking, just restore from your backup. Yes, of course we have a backup, but unfortunately, we hadn't run one recently, so the crawler and parser are all extremely out of date and broken. So since I would have to do a ton of work on getting them up to date anyway, I decided to re-write the parser in perl. I've now got a brand new shinny ripper that seems to be just as fast as the old one written in C, but easier to maintain. I just have a couple more fields for it to rip, and then we should be back in business, and hopefully better than ever. My first goal is to get us back to where we were, but I'm also trying to get the stats to be more real time. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 19:39:36 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Atherton, Bill (AZ15)) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:39:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Message-ID: <52E5BA67EB41D711965600B0D0FC3A7309E021B0@aZ15m11> Hi Brian, Being on the hardware side I do not follow everything you say below but do have enough understanding to appreciate the complexity and frustration you are facing. Just a couple of hours ago here at work they were going to ghost a machine but it started beeping before they got to it, very annoying. Guess what, we lost the hard drive in it! Anyway keep up the great work which we greatly appreciate. Bill - The Watcher -----Original Message----- From: Brian Cluff [mailto:brian@snaptek.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:05 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Actually, due to a major bug in the recent changes to the crawler by me, the crawler is now non-existent :) It accidentally erased itself last Tuesday. (I forgot to test what would happen in something DIDN'T occur...DOH) Now all the computer types are thinking, just restore from your backup. Yes, of course we have a backup, but unfortunately, we hadn't run one recently, so the crawler and parser are all extremely out of date and broken. So since I would have to do a ton of work on getting them up to date anyway, I decided to re-write the parser in perl. I've now got a brand new shinny ripper that seems to be just as fast as the old one written in C, but easier to maintain. I just have a couple more fields for it to rip, and then we should be back in business, and hopefully better than ever. My first goal is to get us back to where we were, but I'm also trying to get the stats to be more real time. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 19:53:24 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:53:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <52E5BA67EB41D711965600B0D0FC3A7309E021B0@aZ15m11> References: <52E5BA67EB41D711965600B0D0FC3A7309E021B0@aZ15m11> Message-ID: <407AF3B4.5060901@Snaptek.com> One of a million ways to ghost the linux way... To make an image: load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) then on a command prompt type: dd if=/dev/hda |gzip | ssh user@image.machine.com cat >/path/to/image.gz To put an image into a machine: load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) then on a command prompt type ssh user@image.machine.com cat /path/to/image.gz |dd of=/dev/hda There, you just saved yourself a boatload of money on buying ghost. I believe there are graphical tools on the CD as well... Brian Cluff Team Snaptek (Sorry, couldn't resist... feeling ornary today) Atherton, Bill (AZ15) wrote: > Being on the hardware side I do not follow everything you say below but do > have enough understanding to appreciate the complexity and frustration you > are facing. Just a couple of hours ago here at work they were going to > ghost a machine but it started beeping before they got to it, very annoying. > Guess what, we lost the hard drive in it! Anyway keep up the great work > which we greatly appreciate. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 12 20:54:25 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:54:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? References: <52E5BA67EB41D711965600B0D0FC3A7309E021B0@aZ15m11> <407AF3B4.5060901@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <003701c420d0$5705c9a0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Brian and Jason aka the Caching gods. When will both of you be free and in the same town at the same time? as I have been wanting to put together a event cache with a special donation Jar for you guys.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > One of a million ways to ghost the linux way... > To make an image: > load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) > then on a command prompt type: > dd if=/dev/hda |gzip | ssh user@image.machine.com cat >/path/to/image.gz > > To put an image into a machine: > load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) > then on a command prompt type > ssh user@image.machine.com cat /path/to/image.gz |dd of=/dev/hda > > There, you just saved yourself a boatload of money on buying ghost. > > I believe there are graphical tools on the CD as well... > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > (Sorry, couldn't resist... feeling ornary today) > > Atherton, Bill (AZ15) wrote: > > Being on the hardware side I do not follow everything you say below but do > > have enough understanding to appreciate the complexity and frustration you > > are facing. Just a couple of hours ago here at work they were going to > > ghost a machine but it started beeping before they got to it, very annoying. > > Guess what, we lost the hard drive in it! Anyway keep up the great work > > which we greatly appreciate. > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 00:20:36 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (ShadowAce) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:20:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network In-Reply-To: <407AF3B4.5060901@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: This might have already been posted, but I dont know.. For those interested, it appears DIY Network did a show on geocaching and is going to reshow it before long.. http://www.diynet.com/diy/shows_fao/episode/0,2046,DIY_14315_25918,00.html From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 02:26:47 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:26:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006501c420fe$c5290b80$1c01a8c0@connie> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C420C4.18CA3380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LOL! Strange there was so much interference around the wedding site, we just couldn't lock onto any satellites to get coordinates. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:31 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? No no no...for the wedding!!! :) LazyK - Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND HARDIN Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:44 AM To: AZ-Geocaching Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? "Inaugural Adopt-A-Highway Cleanup" (GCHQTF) (April 17, 2004) (CITO event) http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=287888bc-514f-48ab-95 25-91e167957091 ----- Original Message ----- From: Koch, Dan Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:31 AM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Event cache? Coordinates? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of connie.farquhar@cox.net Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:24 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Cc: Larry Farquhar Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's up coming wedding which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will not be able to attend the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and family still in town. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now and Larry is biting at the bit. I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun and be safe. --Connie Team "Wyle E" -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Regan Smith Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April 5th.... ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C420C4.18CA3380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
LOL! = Strange there=20 was so much interference around the wedding site, we just couldn't lock = onto any=20 satellites to get coordinates.

--Connie

Team "Wyle E"

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf = Of=20 Koch, Dan
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:31 = AM
To:=20 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is = no one=20 caching??

No=20 no no...for the wedding!!! :)

LazyK - Dan

From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf = Of=20 RAND HARDIN
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:44 = AM
To:=20 AZ-Geocaching
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one=20 caching??

"Inaugural Adopt-A-Highway Cleanup"  (GCHQTF) = (April=20 17, 2004) (CITO event)

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D287888bc-514f-48ab-9525-91e167957091=20

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Koch, Dan
Sent: Monday, April 12, = 2004 9:31=20 AM

To: = 'listserv@azgeocaching.com'

Subject: RE: = [Az-Geocaching] Is no=20 one caching??

Event cache? Coordinates? =20

:)

From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On = Behalf Of=20 connie.farquhar@cox.net
Sent: Monday, April 12, = 2004 6:24=20 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Cc: Larry=20 Farquhar
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one=20 caching??

As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy=20 with Leslie's up coming wedding which is on April 16th. = Which means=20 unfortunatly we will not be able to attend the event on Saturday = because=20 of wedding activities, and family still in town. We haven't been = out of=20 town for almost a month now and Larry is biting at the=20 bit.

I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so = have fun=20 and be safe.

--Connie

Team "Wyle E"

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20 [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On = Behalf=20 Of Regan Smith
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:33 = AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject:=20 [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching??

I have wondered this as = according to the=20 AZ site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April=20 5th....

------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C420C4.18CA3380-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 02:31:16 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:31:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <003701c420d0$5705c9a0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <006301c420ff$657f5710$6501a8c0@dad> For those that are so inclined and are hooked up to PayPal, there is an azgeocaching "donation jar" at the bottom of the main page. I know I was happy to have a way to say Thanks!! CacheLess -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 1:54 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Brian and Jason aka the Caching gods. When will both of you be free and in the same town at the same time? as I have been wanting to put together a event cache with a special donation Jar for you guys.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > One of a million ways to ghost the linux way... > To make an image: > load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) then on a > command prompt type: dd if=/dev/hda |gzip | ssh user@image.machine.com > cat >/path/to/image.gz > > To put an image into a machine: > load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) then on a > command prompt type ssh user@image.machine.com cat /path/to/image.gz > |dd of=/dev/hda > > There, you just saved yourself a boatload of money on buying ghost. > > I believe there are graphical tools on the CD as well... > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > (Sorry, couldn't resist... feeling ornary today) > > Atherton, Bill (AZ15) wrote: > > Being on the hardware side I do not follow everything you say below > > but do > > have enough understanding to appreciate the complexity and > > frustration you > > are facing. Just a couple of hours ago here at work they were going > > to ghost a machine but it started beeping before they got to it, > > very annoying. > > Guess what, we lost the hard drive in it! Anyway keep up the great > > work which we greatly appreciate. > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 02:50:02 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:50:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? References: <006301c420ff$657f5710$6501a8c0@dad> Message-ID: <001501c42102$04c6b8c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Thanks BILL I really was asking the Caching gods wanted free food as well as meeting the users.. I've been infected with cryptic speak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tomlinson" To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > For those that are so inclined and are hooked up to PayPal, there is an > azgeocaching "donation jar" at the bottom of the main page. I know I > was happy to have a way to say Thanks!! > > CacheLess > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > EvilFISH > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 1:54 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > > > Brian and Jason aka the Caching gods. > > When will both of you be free and in the same town at the same time? as > I have been wanting to put together a event cache with a special > donation Jar for you guys.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Cluff" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > > > > One of a million ways to ghost the linux way... > > To make an image: > > load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) then on a > > command prompt type: dd if=/dev/hda |gzip | ssh user@image.machine.com > > > cat >/path/to/image.gz > > > > To put an image into a machine: > > load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) then on a > > command prompt type ssh user@image.machine.com cat /path/to/image.gz > > |dd of=/dev/hda > > > > There, you just saved yourself a boatload of money on buying ghost. > > > > I believe there are graphical tools on the CD as well... > > > > Brian Cluff > > Team Snaptek > > > > (Sorry, couldn't resist... feeling ornary today) > > > > Atherton, Bill (AZ15) wrote: > > > Being on the hardware side I do not follow everything you say below > > > but > do > > > have enough understanding to appreciate the complexity and > > > frustration > you > > > are facing. Just a couple of hours ago here at work they were going > > > > to ghost a machine but it started beeping before they got to it, > > > very > annoying. > > > Guess what, we lost the hard drive in it! Anyway keep up the great > > > work which we greatly appreciate. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 03:03:59 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:03:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <001501c42102$04c6b8c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <006601c42103$f800d880$6501a8c0@dad> Reagan, You caught that cryptic speak a long time ago. ;-) But I've been talking to you long enough to get it. I was really just passing the thought along to all of our new friends. I know Brian and Jason don't like to mention the donation link. I like your idea. A chance for all of us to pay homage to the "gods". CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:50 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Thanks BILL I really was asking the Caching gods wanted free food as well as meeting the users.. I've been infected with cryptic speak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Tomlinson" To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > For those that are so inclined and are hooked up to PayPal, there is > an azgeocaching "donation jar" at the bottom of the main page. I know > I was happy to have a way to say Thanks!! > > CacheLess > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > EvilFISH > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 1:54 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > > > Brian and Jason aka the Caching gods. > > When will both of you be free and in the same town at the same time? > as I have been wanting to put together a event cache with a special > donation Jar for you guys.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Cluff" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > > > > One of a million ways to ghost the linux way... > > To make an image: > > load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) then on a > > command prompt type: dd if=/dev/hda |gzip | ssh > > user@image.machine.com > > > cat >/path/to/image.gz > > > > To put an image into a machine: > > load a bootable Linux CD such as Knoppix (www.knoppix.net) then on a > > command prompt type ssh user@image.machine.com cat /path/to/image.gz > > |dd of=/dev/hda > > > > There, you just saved yourself a boatload of money on buying ghost. > > > > I believe there are graphical tools on the CD as well... > > > > Brian Cluff > > Team Snaptek > > > > (Sorry, couldn't resist... feeling ornary today) > > > > Atherton, Bill (AZ15) wrote: > > > Being on the hardware side I do not follow everything you say > > > below but > do > > > have enough understanding to appreciate the complexity and > > > frustration > you > > > are facing. Just a couple of hours ago here at work they were > > > going > > > > to ghost a machine but it started beeping before they got to it, > > > very > annoying. > > > Guess what, we lost the hard drive in it! Anyway keep up the > > > great work which we greatly appreciate. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 04:26:17 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (David Thompsen) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] My response to "Missing Ticket" cache In-Reply-To: <20040412044338.38092.qmail@web21111.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040413042617.41260.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> --0-234655016-1081830377=:41025 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An open letter to Ken Akerman and the Arizona Geocaching Community --- I am posting this to make absolutely clear my feelings regarding your actions in the "Missing Ticket" Geocache. I feel that Peggy of Golefts has handled the incident you created with as much dignity and restraint as possible under the circumstances. However, you involved me when you carbon copied me the original email regarding your feelings and intentions on this cache. Firstly, you have treated Peggy with a disgusting level of disrespect. While you, Ken, are well aware of why this irritates me, I will restate this for the benefit of the rest of the geocaching community : Not only is Peggy a fine cacher and well respected among those cachers she has met... she is also my mother. What you are CLEARLY not aware of, Ken, is how your actions are being perceived by the geocaching community as a whole. I have corresponded with and been made aware of the opinions of at least a dozen other cachers in Phoenix, Casa Grande, and Tucson -- including those of us who paid you the honor of attending your event --- and the landslide opinion is that your actions are dispicable. As you felt the need to write your defense in essay form, permit me to rebut. (Original text from Ken in bold) -- If a geocacher who won the prize was unable to place the new cache as I had intended, then he or she should not have entered the drawing or have accepted the prize, or offered to give the ammo can to another geocacher who could have placed it as I had intended. My recollection from the event is that the winner had that option if they so chose. I am willing to admit I may have misunderstood you; however, others I have contacted regarding the event said that had they known you would have taken such pompous actions, they would have gladly passed on the ticket. It was, in our eyes, a door prize. Are you familiar with the concept? I've never quite heard of a door prize with "strings attached." The winner can place this geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing cache. (I admit that one error I made in my event cache description was that I should have used the word "should" instead of "can." However, I did not want to come across as being too restrictive in my event cache description, to provide all geocachers with an opportunity to win and place the cache. However, once that person won the cache, I was hoping that she would have looked for a location that came somewhat close to satisfying my preferences.) Your one sign of contrition is this half-assed apology for semantics of "should" vs. "can." Either way, it comes off as a suggestion, and not, as you later treated it, a demand. I was planning on doing my weekend geocaching in the Tucson area Hmm. What appealed to you to cache in Tucson that particular weekend? As a geocacher who particularly enjoys visiting non-urban geocaches off the beaten path, and one who feels that there is a great disparity between the ratio of urban caches versus non-urban caches... Let's then examine the 20 caches you proudly logged on Saturday. In summary, between Tucson, Marana and Casa Grande, the average difficulty of these 20 caches was 1.75, and the AVERAGE TERRAIN WAS 1.47! The obvious, and correct inference here, is that the bulk of these were drive-up urban caches within 500 feet of the car, as I know from having found most of them myself. You yourself admit in your log for Pretty View cache : "This was the only cache we did during the day that required a hike of more than a half-mile." Yeah, no kidding. Doesn't look like you were hunting the toughies that day. Your statement of "I attempt to find almost every geocache placed" seems closer to your true philosophy. When I arrived in the cache vicinity to find the cache, I felt even more dismayed by that location that this geocacher chose for the cache. Funny... the 5 previous finders (besides myself) all seem to have enjoyed the location and the hide from the contents of their logs. Looks like you're outvoted.. unless of course your opinion matters far more than all other geocachers. Moreover, it was near the bottom of the wash, so the cache could be washed away in a heavy rain. Since you don't live near this wash, I hardly think you're qualified to determine the weather patterns there. But if you were so concerned about the security of the caches, why did you leave a less waterproof cookie tin as its replacement?!? Clearly that could be more easily washed away in the frequent hurricanes suffered in this part of Tucson. Let me state that I was not opposed to this spot as the location of a geocache. Unless it was one of your priceless (well, $5 or so in Tucson) ammocans. And let's check the balance ledger for a moment: Cost of gas, unless you managed to let your caching partner pickup that tab, from Phoenix to Tucson and back : at least $20 Bad publicity and general ill will suffered from Geocaching community by plundering the cache and all its contents, including items left there by other cachers : INFINITE NEGATIVE VALUE. Vs. Sucking it up and taking the 5 bucks : net 5 dollars, which cancels out the cost of your ammo can! I leave it to you to determine what the right choice should have been. --- You stand at a precipice of being ostracized and boycotted by many of the geocachers in Arizona due to your actions. Unless you realize the consequences of your actions, I will continue to have the same opinion of you as the citizens of Rock Ridge had of the Honorable Governor William J. LePetomaine. Sincerely, Dave Thompsen Team Cow Spots dthompsen@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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An open letter to Ken Akerman and the Arizona Geocaching Community

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I am posting this to make absolutely clear my feelings regarding your actions in the "Missing Ticket" Geocache. I feel that Peggy of Golefts has handled the incident you created with as much dignity and restraint as possible under the circumstances. However, you involved me when you carbon copied me the original email regarding your feelings and intentions on this cache.

Firstly, you have treated Peggy with a disgusting level of disrespect. While you, Ken, are well aware of why this irritates me, I will restate this for the benefit of the rest of the geocaching community : Not only is Peggy a fine cacher and well respected among those cachers she has met... she is also my mother.

What you are CLEARLY not aware of, Ken, is how your actions are being perceived by the geocaching community as a whole. I have corresponded with and been made aware of the opinions of at least a dozen other cachers in Phoenix, Casa Grande, and Tucson -- including those of us who paid you the honor of attending your event --- and the landslide opinion is that your actions are dispicable.

As you felt the need to write your defense in essay form, permit me to rebut. (Original text from Ken in bold)

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If a geocacher who won the prize was unable to place the new cache as I had intended, then he or she should not have entered the drawing or have accepted the prize, or offered to give the ammo can to another geocacher who could have placed it as I had intended.

My recollection from the event is that the winner had that option if they so chose. I am willing to admit I may have misunderstood you; however, others I have contacted regarding the event said that had they known you would have taken such pompous actions, they would have gladly passed on the ticket. It was, in our eyes, a door prize. Are you familiar with the concept? I've never quite heard of a door prize with "strings attached."

The winner can place this geocache in any good non-urban location, at least 0.5 miles away from a paved road or in a remote area without any nearby existing cache.

(I admit that one error I made in my event cache description was that I should have used the word "should" instead of "can."  However, I did not want to come across as being too restrictive in my event cache description, to provide all geocachers with an opportunity to win and place the cache. However, once that person won the cache, I was hoping that she would have looked for a location that came somewhat close to satisfying my preferences.)

Your one sign of contrition is this half-assed apology for semantics of "should" vs. "can."

Either way, it comes off as a suggestion, and not, as you later treated it, a demand.

I was planning on doing my weekend geocaching in the Tucson area

Hmm. What appealed to you to cache in Tucson that particular weekend?

As a geocacher who particularly enjoys visiting non-urban geocaches off the beaten path, and one who feels that there is a great disparity between the ratio of urban caches versus non-urban caches...

Let's then examine the 20 caches you proudly logged on Saturday. In summary, between Tucson, Marana and Casa Grande, the average difficulty of these 20 caches was 1.75, and the AVERAGE TERRAIN WAS 1.47! The obvious, and correct inference here, is that the bulk of the se were drive-up urban caches within 500 feet of the car, as I know from having found most of them myself. You yourself admit in your log for Pretty View cache : "This was the only cache we did during the day that required a hike of more than a half-mile." Yeah, no kidding. Doesn't look like you were hunting the toughies that day. Your statement of "I attempt to find almost every geocache placed" seems closer to your true philosophy.

When I arrived in the cache vicinity to find the cache, I felt even more dismayed by that location that this geocacher chose for the cache.

Funny... the 5 previous finders (besides myself) all seem to have enjoyed the location and the hide from the contents of their logs. Looks like you're outvoted.. unless of course your opinion matters far more than all other geocachers.

Moreover, it was near the bottom of the wash, so the cache could be washed away in a heavy rain.

Since you don't live near this wash, I hardly think you're qualified to determine the weather patterns there. But if you were so concerned about the security of the caches, why did you leave a less waterproof cookie tin as its replacement?!?   Clearly that could be more easily washed away in the frequent hurricanes suffered in this part of Tucson.

Let me state that I was not opposed to this spot as the location of a geocache.

Unless it was one of your priceless (well, $5 or so in Tucson) ammocans.

And let's check the balance ledger for a moment:

Cost of gas, unless you managed to let your caching partner pickup that tab, from Phoenix to Tucson and back : at least $20

Bad publicity and general ill will suffered from Geocaching community by plundering the cache and all it s contents, including items left there by other cachers : INFINITE NEGATIVE VALUE.

Vs.

Sucking it up and taking the 5 bucks :    net 5 dollars, which cancels out the cost of yo ur ammo can!

I leave it to you to determine what the right choice should have been.

---

You stand at a precipice of being ostracized and boycotted by many of the geocachers in Arizona due to y our actions. Unless you realize the consequences of your actions, I will continue to have the same opinion of you as the citizens of Rock Ridge had of the Honorable Governor William J. LePetomaine.

Sincerely,

Dave Thompsen

Team Cow Spots

dthompsen@yahoo.com

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Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-234655016-1081830377=:41025-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 04:47:41 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:47:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? Message-ID: >From: "EvilFISH" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:50:02 -0700 > >Thanks BILL > >I really was asking the Caching gods wanted free food as well as meeting >the >users.. > >I've been infected with cryptic speak Cryptic speak??? Regan, I think you have just been doing too many puzzle caches these days! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar � FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 04:56:53 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:56:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network Message-ID: >From: "ShadowAce" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:20:36 -0700 > >This might have already been posted, but I dont know.. > >For those interested, it appears DIY Network did a show on geocaching and >is >going to reshow it before long.. > >http://www.diynet.com/diy/shows_fao/episode/0,2046,DIY_14315_25918,00.html Do we get this channel here in the Phoenix area? I have Cableamerica (yes, I know.. I am a minority cable guy!). I have never heard of this channel. Would love to see the show though! I checked the website and unless I missed it... I dont see where I can check on it's availability in a certain market. Thanks Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 05:52:05 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] My day of geocaching ... :-) Message-ID: <20040413055205.39378.qmail@web20419.mail.yahoo.com> --0-197332723-1081835525=:39188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Took some interesting photos tonight while caching with the "team" :-) Thought I'd share them with you all. This sure is a fun hobby! :-) http://www.livejournal.com/users/squishygecko/ Take care, SquishyGecko :-) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-197332723-1081835525=:39188 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Took some interesting photos tonight while caching with the "team" :-) Thought I'd share them with you all. This sure is a fun hobby! :-)

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Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --0-197332723-1081835525=:39188-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 07:38:17 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (ShadowAce) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:38:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I went to www.diynet.com then on the middle elft it shows 'Get DIY'. this shows who carries DIY in your area by the provider. Cable america is not a listed carrier, but if you fill out the form, maybe they can get you more information. I was able to find cableamerica's listings of channels and they also do not show it. http://www.cableamerica.com/digi.guides.html Maybe someone can record it for you, I will most likely be getting a copy of it for myself, but I live in the Tucson area and use DirectTV as a sat provider. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of RopingThe Wind Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:57 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network >From: "ShadowAce" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:20:36 -0700 > >This might have already been posted, but I dont know.. > >For those interested, it appears DIY Network did a show on geocaching and >is >going to reshow it before long.. > >http://www.diynet.com/diy/shows_fao/episode/0,2046,DIY_14315_25918,00.html Do we get this channel here in the Phoenix area? I have Cableamerica (yes, I know.. I am a minority cable guy!). I have never heard of this channel. Would love to see the show though! I checked the website and unless I missed it... I dont see where I can check on it's availability in a certain market. Thanks Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/dire ct/01/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 09:33:19 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Steven Stringham) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:33:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <006501c420fe$c5290b80$1c01a8c0@connie> References: <006501c420fe$c5290b80$1c01a8c0@connie> Message-ID: <1080.172.30.1.10.1081848799.squirrel@www.stringham-family.org> Is this alternately said, "What with $100 plates, dress requirements (no hiking boots), a desire to entertain family members, and a need to not have people with GPSs everywhere looking under things to find the 'cache', I am sorry, but unless you get a specific invite, you ain't invited?" Congratulations on the wedding. I am sure it will be lovely. And our best wishes to the blissfull couple! Steven Stringham Stringcachers > LOL! Strange there was so much interference around the wedding site, we > just couldn't lock onto any satellites to get coordinates. > --Connie > Team "Wyle E" > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, > Dan > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:31 AM > To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > > > No no no...for the wedding!!! :) > > LazyK - Dan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of RAND > HARDIN > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:44 AM > To: AZ-Geocaching > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > > > "Inaugural Adopt-A-Highway Cleanup" (GCHQTF) (April 17, 2004) (CITO > event) http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=287888bc-514f-48ab-95 > 25-91e167957091 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Koch, Dan > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:31 AM > To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > > Event cache? Coordinates? > > :) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > connie.farquhar@cox.net > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:24 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Cc: Larry Farquhar > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? > > > As for Team "Wyle E" we have been busy, busy, busy with Leslie's > up > coming wedding which is on April 16th. Which means unfortunatly we will > not > be able to attend the event on Saturday because of wedding activities, and > family still in town. We haven't been out of town for almost a month now > and > Larry is biting at the bit. > I'm sure there will be a great turn out on Saturday so have fun > and > be safe. > --Connie > Team "Wyle E" ----------------------------------------- http://stringham-family.org/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 15:00:21 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:00:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network References: Message-ID: <007f01c42168$0b127190$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> I don't get it here either on Cox it looks like. Too bad someone didn't record it with their Tivo somewhere, then encode it to DivX for all to see. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RopingThe Wind" To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 9:56 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network > > > > > > >From: "ShadowAce" > >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > >To: > >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network > >Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:20:36 -0700 > > > >This might have already been posted, but I dont know.. > > > >For those interested, it appears DIY Network did a show on geocaching and > >is > >going to reshow it before long.. > > > >http://www.diynet.com/diy/shows_fao/episode/0,2046,DIY_14315_25918,00.html > > Do we get this channel here in the Phoenix area? I have Cableamerica (yes, I > know.. I am a minority cable guy!). I have never heard of this channel. > Would love to see the show though! I checked the website and unless I missed > it... I dont see where I can check on it's availability in a certain market. > > Thanks > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind > > _________________________________________________________________ > Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN > Premium! > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 15:31:46 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:31:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network In-Reply-To: <007f01c42168$0b127190$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: It's on Dish Network. Bill in Willcox -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching- I don't get it here either on Cox it looks like. Too bad someone didn't record it with their Tivo somewhere, then encode it to DivX for all to see. Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 15:32:35 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:32:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing Ticket Cache Message-ID: <00a201c4216c$8baad5f0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C42131.DF211D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been reading the firestorm that has resulted from actions taken in = regard to this cache, and the volatility doesn't compare to that of the = pirate caching incident from about a year ago. Wow. That being said, I = completely understand the level of anger this generated as it seems to = have been building for awhile due to various 'things' said about other = topics. Hopefully this will be a learning experience for the future on = how NOT to handle a situation from a cache owners' perspective. Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C42131.DF211D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've been reading the firestorm that = has resulted=20 from actions taken in regard to this cache, and the volatility doesn't = compare=20 to that of the pirate caching incident from about a year ago. = Wow. =20 That being said, I completely understand the level of anger this = generated as it=20 seems to have been building for awhile due to various 'things' said = about other=20 topics. Hopefully this will be a learning experience for the = future on how=20 NOT to handle a situation from a cache owners' = perspective.

Brian

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------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C42131.DF211D60-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 15:43:21 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:43:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network References: Message-ID: <00b601c4216e$0cad2710$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Record it! :) Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network > It's on Dish Network. > > Bill in Willcox > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching- > > I don't get it here either on Cox it looks like. Too bad someone didn't > record it with their Tivo somewhere, then encode it to DivX for all to see. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 15:49:13 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:49:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing Ticket Cache In-Reply-To: <00a201c4216c$8baad5f0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> References: <00a201c4216c$8baad5f0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <407C0BF9.8000204@Snaptek.com> Brian - Team A.I. wrote: > volatility doesn't compare to that of the pirate caching incident > from about a year ago. What ever happened with that... did the pirate(s) just go away, never to be heard from again, or did someone kill them? Did the caches that were plundered ever get returned? Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 15:53:48 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:53:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network In-Reply-To: <00b601c4216e$0cad2710$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: The next time it's scheduled to show on DIY is, I think, June 12. Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:43 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network Record it! :) Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network > It's on Dish Network. > > Bill in Willcox > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching- > > I don't get it here either on Cox it looks like. Too bad someone didn't > record it with their Tivo somewhere, then encode it to DivX for all to see. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 16:08:41 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:08:41 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing Ticket Cache In-Reply-To: <407C0BF9.8000204@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <007901c42171$96a23390$6501a8c0@dad> Hopefully the later, but in either case, the pirate(s) was never heard from again that I know of. I can tell you that the plundered contents of my cache were never returned. So much for that grand story about moving them and leaving clues. Guess the pirate just likes to collect geocaching treasures. CacheLess Bill Tomlinson -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brian Cluff Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:49 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing Ticket Cache Brian - Team A.I. wrote: > volatility doesn't compare to that of the pirate caching incident from > about a year ago. What ever happened with that... did the pirate(s) just go away, never to be heard from again, or did someone kill them? Did the caches that were plundered ever get returned? Brian Cluff Team Snaptek ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 16:46:59 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:46:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Re: Missing Ticket Cache/Pirate McVane Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C4213C.43F99140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian Cluff Asked: "What ever happened with that ...did the pirate(s) go= away...did someone kill them?" Mad Morty McVane: http://img.groundspeak.com/cache/log/fd6eefac-b77f-4bd3-8fc0-01652501529f= jpg Also see "Halloween Radioactive" (GCGPW6). ;) =20 RandMan ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Cluff Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:59 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing Ticket Cache Brian - Team A.I. wrote: volatility doesn't compare to that of the pirate= caching incident from about a year ago. What ever happened with that... did the pirate(s) just go away, never to =20 be heard from again, or did someone kill them? Did the caches that were plundered ever get returned? Brian Cluff Team Snaptek ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C4213C.43F99140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Brian Cluff As= ked: "What ever happened with that ...did the pirate(s) go away...d= id someone kill them?"

Mad Morty McV= ane:

http://img.groundspeak.com/cache/log/fd6eefac-b77f-4bd3-8fc0-01652501= 529f.jpg

Also see "Halloween Radioactive= " (GCGPW6). ;)

=

RandMan

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From: Brian Cluff

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:59 AM

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing T= icket Cache

Brian - Team A.I. wrote: volatility do= esn't compare to that of the pirate caching incident from about a year ag= o.

What ever happened with that... did the pirate(s) just go aw= ay, never to
be heard from again, or did someone kill them?
Di= d the caches that were plundered ever get returned?

Brian CluffTeam Snaptek
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C4213C.43F99140-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 17:50:11 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:50:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407C2853.1060706@cableone.net> Scott, When I get to this page there is a title "In This Episode" and beneath the title are hyper links that took me to several new pages that were very interesting. I don't think it depends on your browser, but, just in case, I am using Netscape 7.2 Best to you and yours, Bob Smith, Petite Elite, Prescott, AZ RopingThe Wind wrote: >> From: "ShadowAce" >> Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >> To: >> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network >> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:20:36 -0700 >> >> This might have already been posted, but I dont know.. >> >> For those interested, it appears DIY Network did a show on geocaching >> and is >> going to reshow it before long.. >> >> http://www.diynet.com/diy/shows_fao/episode/0,2046,DIY_14315_25918,00.html >> > > > Do we get this channel here in the Phoenix area? I have Cableamerica > (yes, I know.. I am a minority cable guy!). I have never heard of this > channel. Would love to see the show though! I checked the website and > unless I missed it... I dont see where I can check on it's > availability in a certain market. > > Thanks > > Scott > Team Ropingthewind From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 13 18:42:12 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:42:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing Ticket Cache References: <00a201c4216c$8baad5f0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> <407C0BF9.8000204@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <001b01c42187$09157800$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing Ticket Cache > Brian - Team A.I. wrote: > > volatility doesn't compare to that of the pirate caching incident > > from about a year ago. > > What ever happened with that... did the pirate(s) just go away, never to > be heard from again, or did someone kill them? > Did the caches that were plundered ever get returned? > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 00:20:00 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:20:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing Ticket Cache References: <00a201c4216c$8baad5f0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> <407C0BF9.8000204@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <007801c421b6$3a63ccc0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> no but he went on to form www.geotrashing.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Missing Ticket Cache > Brian - Team A.I. wrote: > > volatility doesn't compare to that of the pirate caching incident > > from about a year ago. > > What ever happened with that... did the pirate(s) just go away, never to > be heard from again, or did someone kill them? > Did the caches that were plundered ever get returned? > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 00:37:33 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:37:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The 04/04/04 cache Message-ID: <000c01c421b8$ad6b3580$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4217E.00DA02E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I noticed today that 11 cachers are watching this cache? I know that I = will be driving by again Thursday Afternoon. What does it take to find = this cache?? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4217E.00DA02E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I noticed today that 11 cachers are = watching this=20 cache? I know that I will be driving by again Thursday Afternoon. What = does it=20 take to find this cache??

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C4217E.00DA02E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 06:54:06 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:54:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Website rewrite update Message-ID: <407CE00E.70209@Snaptek.com> Well, I've got the bulk of it up and running. The site is capable of crawling again, and it can update the database. The site still can't discover newly placed caches, recover missing caches or build the books for your electronic organizers. I expect to have the new cache discovering done by tomorrow, but until then it will at least keep the caches that it already knows about up to date. A nice side effect from the new data parser is that is never deletes the old database like the old system. It instead deletes only the cache it's currently updating, so there won't be a minute while there is no data in the database. It will also keep the site from getting totally thrashed when Geocaching.com changes stuff on their site (Hopefully). That will make it a lot less obvious when there is a problem. I'll just have to write some code that detects certain problems and puts poco loco to the top of the list again :) In the end, I think this will be a good thing. The code had been quickly patched over and over and over so many times that it was all very ugly and hard to maintain. This new fresh code will be much easier to update in the future, and it's making it a LOT easier to add new fields of data and therefore new potential features. Brian Cluff AzGeocaching.com Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 08:15:39 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:15:39 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Website rewrite update References: <407CE00E.70209@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <000c01c421f8$abf80260$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Brian, Yet again I must offer my thanks. Your knowledge of coding and *nix are amazing. Despite the time consuming task of re-writing all the code in a new language, the side benefit to you is less maintenance time in the future with a cleaner, fresher code. Thanks again!!! Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:54 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Website rewrite update > Well, I've got the bulk of it up and running. The site is capable of > crawling again, and it can update the database. > > The site still can't discover newly placed caches, recover missing > caches or build the books for your electronic organizers. I expect to > have the new cache discovering done by tomorrow, but until then it will > at least keep the caches that it already knows about up to date. > > A nice side effect from the new data parser is that is never deletes the > old database like the old system. It instead deletes only the cache > it's currently updating, so there won't be a minute while there is no > data in the database. It will also keep the site from getting totally > thrashed when Geocaching.com changes stuff on their site (Hopefully). > That will make it a lot less obvious when there is a problem. I'll just > have to write some code that detects certain problems and puts poco loco > to the top of the list again :) > > In the end, I think this will be a good thing. The code had been > quickly patched over and over and over so many times that it was all > very ugly and hard to maintain. This new fresh code will be much easier > to update in the future, and it's making it a LOT easier to add new > fields of data and therefore new potential features. > > Brian Cluff > AzGeocaching.com > Team Snaptek > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 08:42:07 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] The 04/04/04 cache In-Reply-To: <000c01c421b8$ad6b3580$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <20040414084207.91515.qmail@web14806.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1768263182-1081932127=:91419 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii See you there Regan. We are finally trying our luck on it. Regan Smith wrote:I noticed today that 11 cachers are watching this cache? I know that I will be driving by again Thursday Afternoon. What does it take to find this cache?? Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-1768263182-1081932127=:91419 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
See you there Regan. We are finally trying our luck on it.

Regan Smith <evilfish@cox.net> wrote:

I noticed today that 11 cachers are watching this cache? I know that I will be driving by again Thursday Afternoon. What does it take to find this cache??

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer 1898

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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-1768263182-1081932127=:91419-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 08:44:30 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040414084430.73063.qmail@web14804.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1800137633-1081932270=:73020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii send out a reminder, I have DirecTV and can record it Bill wrote:The next time it's scheduled to show on DIY is, I think, June 12. Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:43 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network Record it! :) Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:31 AM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network > It's on Dish Network. > > Bill in Willcox > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching- > > I don't get it here either on Cox it looks like. Too bad someone didn't > record it with their Tivo somewhere, then encode it to DivX for all to see. > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-1800137633-1081932270=:73020 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
send out a reminder, I have DirecTV and can record it

Bill <bill@freeholder.com> wrote:
The next time it's scheduled to show on DIY is, I think, June 12.

Bill

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[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Brian -
Team A.I.
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network

Record it! :)

Brian
Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] DIY Network

> It's on Dish Network.
>
> Bill in Willcox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-
>
> I don't get it here either on Cox it looks like. Too b ad someone didn't
> record it with their Tivo somewhere, then encode it to DivX for all to
see.
>
> Brian
> Team A.I.
>
>
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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling ,   The Explorer 1898

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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-1800137633-1081932270=:73020-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 10:36:35 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Steven Stringham) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:36:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Website rewrite update In-Reply-To: <407CE00E.70209@Snaptek.com> References: <407CE00E.70209@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <2177.172.30.1.10.1081938995.squirrel@www.stringham-family.org> Having done just a tiny bit of coding myself (really tiny), I appreciate greatly the effort you go through to benefit the whole group. Caching in AZ would not be the same without the AZGC site. The stats pages, the downloads, etc. just make it a whole lot easier to prepare for and enjoy my caching experience. (I'm not in it for the numbers, Records, nah, I don't care about those!). Thank you so much. Despite our complaining sometimes, we really do appreciate it! StringCachers Steven Stringham > Well, I've got the bulk of it up and running. The site is capable of > crawling again, and it can update the database. > > The site still can't discover newly placed caches, recover missing > caches or build the books for your electronic organizers. I expect to > have the new cache discovering done by tomorrow, but until then it will > at least keep the caches that it already knows about up to date. > > A nice side effect from the new data parser is that is never deletes the > old database like the old system. It instead deletes only the cache > it's currently updating, so there won't be a minute while there is no > data in the database. It will also keep the site from getting totally > thrashed when Geocaching.com changes stuff on their site (Hopefully). > That will make it a lot less obvious when there is a problem. I'll just > have to write some code that detects certain problems and puts poco loco > to the top of the list again :) > > In the end, I think this will be a good thing. The code had been > quickly patched over and over and over so many times that it was all > very ugly and hard to maintain. This new fresh code will be much easier > to update in the future, and it's making it a LOT easier to add new > fields of data and therefore new potential features. > > Brian Cluff > AzGeocaching.com > Team Snaptek ----------------------------------------- http://stringham-family.org/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 15:37:10 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:37:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Website rewrite update In-Reply-To: <000c01c421f8$abf80260$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> References: <407CE00E.70209@Snaptek.com> <000c01c421f8$abf80260$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <407D5AA6.3000707@Snaptek.com> Brian - Team A.I. wrote: > Yet again I must offer my thanks. Your knowledge of coding and *nix are > amazing. Despite the time consuming task of re-writing all the code in a > new language, the side benefit to you is less maintenance time in the future > with a cleaner, fresher code. Thanks again!!! Ouch, my ego.... your stroking it to hard :) Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 17:07:22 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Sparks) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:07:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Kudos to Team Snaptek! Message-ID: <407D6FCA.7070000@mchsi.com> Kudos to Brian and Jason on the work they've done to get the stats page up and running again. I really appreciate it and I know others do as well. I was wondering, though, why none of the Webcam caches show up as in-state finds. (GC256B, GCGBMA and GCGYHR.) Also, I tried the RECOVER MISSING CACHES link and it shows no indication that it is still working. I tried it on the following caches, which appear to be missing from the stats: R U Lost GCHPQ2 Mary's First GCHHK0 National Anthem GCHRZA Flagstaff Webcam GCGYHR Flag Mini #2 GCHR8T Pride and Freedom GCHQ2H Again, thanks for all your efforts. -- Sprocket From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 17:12:52 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:12:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Kudos to Team Snaptek! In-Reply-To: <407D6FCA.7070000@mchsi.com> References: <407D6FCA.7070000@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <407D7114.3040209@Snaptek.com> Scott Sparks wrote: > I was wondering, though, why none of the Webcam caches show up as > in-state finds. (GC256B, GCGBMA and GCGYHR.) Also, I tried the > RECOVER MISSING CACHES link and it shows no indication that it is > still working. Nope... half of the recover code is on one server and the other half is on the one that had it's little accident. It will have to be recreated from scratch. I think I'll make it capable of recovering both regular and archived caches this time :) Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 17:29:06 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] New Cache Message-ID: <20040414172906.96402.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1619738265-1081963746=:94196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since the site is being rewritten, thought I'd just shoot out an e-mail and let you all know that Team Gecko has placed our first cache, and it's now listed on Geocaching.com as "Team Gecko's First Cache" or GCJ66T. This site is a microcache in a Geocaching.com keychain container and contains a logsheet only -- bring your own writing instrument. Also, we've placed our first travel bug, "Sarah's Lil Buddy" aka TBG1KM, in the "In Copper Square - #2 - Orpheum" GCJ05V. :-) Take care, SquishyGecko :-) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Since the site is being rewritten, thought I'd just shoot out an e-mail and let you all know that Team Gecko has placed our first cache, and it's now listed on Geocaching.com as "Team Gecko's First Cache" or GCJ66T. This site is a microcache in a Geocaching.com keychain container and contains a logsheet only -- bring your own writing instrument.

Also, we've placed our first travel bug, "Sarah's Lil Buddy" aka TBG1KM, in the "In Copper Square - #2 - Orpheum" GCJ05V. :-)

Take care,

SquishyGecko :-)

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Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th --0-1619738265-1081963746=:94196-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 18:55:19 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:55:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] *gasp* Message-ID: <005801c42252$0876c2c0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C42217.5C028E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable According to the now revised AZGeocaching stats, RopingTheWind is no = longer on top. Congrats to Sprocket for taking the top spot! I could = just see Scott stomping around his room wondering which area of the = state to travel to for a 30+ cache day to take it back with some = cushion. :) Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C42217.5C028E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

According to the now revised = AZGeocaching stats,=20 RopingTheWind is no longer on top. Congrats to Sprocket for taking = the top=20 spot! I could just see Scott stomping around his room wondering = which area=20 of the state to travel to for a 30+ cache day to take it back with some=20 cushion. :)

Brian

Team = A.I.
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C42217.5C028E00-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 19:59:24 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:59:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] *gasp* Message-ID: >From: "Brian - Team A.I." >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: "AZ Geocaching" >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] *gasp* >Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:55:19 -0700 > >According to the now revised AZGeocaching stats, RopingTheWind is no longer >on top. Congrats to Sprocket for taking the top spot! I could just see >Scott stomping around his room wondering which area of the state to travel >to for a 30+ cache day to take it back with some cushion. :) > >Brian >Team A.I. LOL :) Yea! Gas is just a tad bit too expensive right now for me to want to make any 'runs' anytime soon. I have enjoyed my time at the top and it is time for another team to take over for a while. I am just hitting the fun caches right now. Congratulations to Sprocket for hitting the top spot. He has been caching rather hard lately! Business has been really good this past couple of months and he is at a pace I simply cannot keep up with!!! I think I am at like 12 caches this month. I am slacking! Never know when I might get in the mood for another big run though! HAHAHAHA!!!! Ironically, it was my record breaking month of 204 caches in February that catapulted me into the lead and then Sprocket broke that monthly record at 223 or something like that in March to jump him into the lead. I also want to congratulate Sprocket for getting the first find on my newest cache RTW-2!!! Congrats to his dog too for climbing that with him!!!!! :) He didnt waste anytime goin' for it and got it the day or day after it was approved!!! Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 21:21:46 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:21:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 Message-ID: So would a group commando-style raid on '04/04/04' be in violation of the owners request that we not "share any information about it"? If not...what time tomorrow are we hitting it?? LazyK - Dan From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 22:00:52 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L Flatt) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:00:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Coyote1022 can be there at 17:00 hrs! Gordon L. Flatt AV Specialist Smith Junior High glflatt@mpsaz.org 480-472-4673 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:22 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 So would a group commando-style raid on '04/04/04' be in violation of the owners request that we not "share any information about it"? If not...what time tomorrow are we hitting it?? LazyK - Dan ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 14 22:08:56 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L Flatt) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Randman just posted a note to the site... Let's analyze "Lazy K's" DNF log that he posted today: "Lazy K" just posted a DNF that he couldn't find the cache at the coordinates. He mentions that he works at 444 N. 44th Street. In the cache description it mentions that "...the nearest address to the south is 4440 N." You know, this sounds like this cache could be a puzzle-type cache. If we drop the "0" from the "4440," then we have "444"! And since Dan works south of 4444 N. 44th Street, then the cache very well could be located in Dan's desk! I think everyone should meet at Dan's work tomorrow and help him find the cache! So now my question is, where is everyone going to meet???? I need to know by 15:30 hrs to still meet my promised time!!! LOL Gordon L. Flatt AV Specialist Smith Junior High glflatt@mpsaz.org 480-472-4673 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:22 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 So would a group commando-style raid on '04/04/04' be in violation of the owners request that we not "share any information about it"? If not...what time tomorrow are we hitting it?? LazyK - Dan ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 15 01:44:18 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:44:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 References: Message-ID: <001001c4228b$2acea200$901a0244@ph.cox.net> I will be at a friends work place nearby until about 2 or 3 so say 230 pm??? I think in the spirit of the request if everyone finds it at the same time how could you share?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 > So would a group commando-style raid on '04/04/04' be in violation of the > owners request that we not "share any information about it"? > > If not...what time tomorrow are we hitting it?? > > LazyK - Dan > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 15 20:17:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:17:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 Message-ID: 2:30pm. Anyone else? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:44 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 I will be at a friends work place nearby until about 2 or 3 so say 230 pm??? I think in the spirit of the request if everyone finds it at the same time how could you share?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 > So would a group commando-style raid on '04/04/04' be in violation of the > owners request that we not "share any information about it"? > > If not...what time tomorrow are we hitting it?? > > LazyK - Dan > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 15 21:04:06 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L Flatt) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:04:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'll be there today, but it will be later, like around 17:00. Perhaps you will still be there looking??? LOL Coyote1022 Gordon L. Flatt AV Specialist Smith Junior High glflatt@mpsaz.org 480-472-4673 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:18 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 2:30pm. Anyone else? -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:44 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 I will be at a friends work place nearby until about 2 or 3 so say 230 pm??? I think in the spirit of the request if everyone finds it at the same time how could you share?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 > So would a group commando-style raid on '04/04/04' be in violation of the > owners request that we not "share any information about it"? > > If not...what time tomorrow are we hitting it?? > > LazyK - Dan > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 15 21:37:38 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:37:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 Message-ID: <20040415143739.112.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hm, looks like an "EVENT CACHE" in the making! On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:17:40 -0700, "Koch, Dan" wrote: > > 2:30pm. Anyone else? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > EvilFISH > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:44 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 > > I will be at a friends work place nearby until about 2 or 3 so say 230 > pm??? > > I think in the spirit of the request if everyone finds it at the same > time > how could you share?? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koch, Dan" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:21 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] 04/04/04 > > > > So would a group commando-style raid on '04/04/04' be in violation > of the > > owners request that we not "share any information about it"? > > > > If not...what time tomorrow are we hitting it?? > > > > LazyK - Dan > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 16 01:07:18 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:07:18 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Event & Ouch!! Message-ID: <6b.26ff5efb.2db08bc6@aol.com> -------------------------------1082077638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's been brought to my attention that I may have screwed up! Earlier this week I archived Ouch! (GC9050) without realizing it was in the park where we are meeting for the adopt-a-highway event. Well, I have not yet retreived the cache, so anyone who would like to log it at that time may still do so. I won't pick it up until after the event on Saturday! Dave Team DaSH -------------------------------1082077638 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ouch! (GC9050) without realizing it was in the park where we ar= e meeting for the adopt-a-highway event. Well, I have not yet retreive= d the cache, so anyone who would like to log it at that time may still do so= . I won't pick it up until after the event on Saturday!

Dave

Team DaSH
-------------------------------1082077638-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 16 19:14:59 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:14:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Two new urban caches, Phoenix area Message-ID: <001901c423e7$1cb6b510$0400a8c0@LAPTOP> Yesterday I placed two new urban caches in the Phoenix area. :) http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=87176ab8-9484-4b18-b028-86529e29f3bc http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=da799b36-9fb3-4405-b197-2a3ae84547b8 These caches are much more interesting than the first one, and both are holding newly activated travel bugs. :-) Enjoy! - SquishyGecko --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 4/9/2004 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 04:48:02 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:48:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) Message-ID: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C424C5.A837C140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) =20 I had first wanted to get Yuban the Can II way back when it first was = placed as when the first Yuban was found RandMan and I parked further = than we needed, so knowing that you could park pretty much right next to = this Yuban, I waited. I read the logs about those who hiked up the = mountain, then I read the hint a good 4X4 will get you close, I have = been hanging around RTW to much I have even been in the back of his 2X4 = going places 'it ain't supposed to be'. I really like my Cache-Mobile a = 1983 Toyota Cressida it has taken me about every place that I wanted to = go, in the grand scheme of things last week I was able to borrow my = sister's Toyota Camry, a lot newer and Way more nicer, it was in that = vehicle where I first started the finding of 04/04/04 cache, which leads = to another issue of pride, it will be discussed shortly. Needless to say = I have enjoyed the TEF Cache-mobile so it wasn't without hesitation that = after finding the first part to the nearby cache, that this cache .40 = miles that a way would be driven in the TEF Cache-Mobile. =20 The road we were currently on, even though it looked like a tornado blew = apart a house, as there were fixing everywhere, was not the road to = Yuban so I did something that I would not recommend doing that being = driving around through the private neighborhood, but we parked and = walked far enough to find the correct road that leads to Yuban, so back = out the way we came back through tornado alley and back onto the road to = Yuban. Maybe it was the fact that I gave the Cache-mobile its first real = car wash in over a year, used the engine degreaser and everything on the = outside, but I was beginning to regret all the dirt roads that we had = been driving on this day. =20 As we rounded the left hand turn and drove past the open gate, this is = where all the thinking that I have been doing as of late ruined me, I = didn't accelerate as fast as I now know the Cache-Mobile should have = been, traveling past the rain caused ruts approached to within about .12 = miles from Yuban, this is a section of road that has the whoop de do's = so all that non momentum put just enough hesitation in my driving = decision along with the voiced concern from Alex, the younger member, = that I stopped. Now I know that most of you reading this would have been = thinking, just get out and hike. (Yes this is all well and fine but I = decided that backing down and turning around now before finding the = cache would be a good idea). Just like Neo in the Matrix, the meet the = Oracle Scene and the broken vase, what happened next really blew what = little mind I had left. Just as the rear left wheel dropped into the rut = I turned the steering wheel combined with gravity assisted momentum both = rear wheels passed through the rut, again at this point the Cache-Mobile = was at a crux it tried to warn me, I heard a break squeak but I at that = moment in time I pressed the accelerator dragging the front wheels into = the rut, so here no less than .12 miles from Yuban the Can II Team Evil = Fish, Cache-mobile and all sat stuck facing the Superstition Mountains. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C424C5.A837C140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yuban the Can II (Aka = Everything=20 that can happen with caching trip.)

I had first wanted to = get Yuban=20 the Can II way back when it first was placed as when the first Yuban was = found=20 RandMan and I parked further than we needed, so knowing that you could = park=20 pretty much right next to this Yuban, I waited. I read the logs about = those who=20 hiked up the mountain, then I read the hint a good 4X4 will get you = close, I=20 have been hanging around RTW to much I have even been in the back of his = 2X4=20 going places =91it ain=92t supposed to be=92. I really like my = Cache-Mobile a 1983=20 Toyota Cressida it has taken me about every place that I wanted to go, = in the=20 grand scheme of things last week I was able to borrow my sister=92s = Toyota Camry,=20 a lot newer and Way more nicer, it was in that vehicle where I first = started the=20 finding of 04/04/04 cache, which leads to another issue of pride, it = will be=20 discussed shortly. Needless to say I have enjoyed the TEF Cache-mobile = so it=20 wasn=92t without hesitation that after finding the first part to the = nearby cache,=20 that this cache .40 miles = that a way=20 would be driven in the TEF Cache-Mobile.

The road we were = currently on,=20 even though it looked like a tornado blew apart a house, as there were = fixing=20 everywhere, was not the road to Yuban so I did something that I would = not=20 recommend doing that being driving around through the private = neighborhood, but=20 we parked and walked far enough to find the correct road that leads to = Yuban, so=20 back out the way we came back through tornado alley and back onto the = road to=20 Yuban. Maybe it was the fact that I gave the Cache-mobile its first real = car=20 wash in over a year, used the engine degreaser and everything on the = outside,=20 but I was beginning to regret all the dirt roads that we had been = driving on=20 this day.

As=20 we rounded the left hand turn and drove past the open gate, this is = where all=20 the thinking that I have been doing as of late ruined me, I didn=92t = accelerate as=20 fast as I now know the Cache-Mobile should have been, traveling past the = rain=20 caused ruts approached to within about .12 miles from Yuban, this is a = section=20 of road that has the whoop de do=92s so all that non momentum put just = enough=20 hesitation in my driving decision along with the voiced concern from = Alex, the=20 younger member, that I stopped. Now I know that most of you reading this = would=20 have been thinking, just get out and hike. (Yes this is all well and = fine but I=20 decided that backing down and turning around now before finding the = cache would=20 be a good idea). Just like Neo in the Matrix, the meet the Oracle Scene = and the=20 broken vase, what happened next really blew what little mind I had left. = Just as=20 the rear left wheel dropped into the rut I turned the steering wheel = combined=20 with gravity assisted momentum both rear wheels passed through the rut, = again at=20 this point the Cache-Mobile was at a crux it tried to warn me, I heard a = break=20 squeak but I at that moment in time I pressed the accelerator dragging = the front=20 wheels into the rut, so here no less than .12 miles from Yuban the Can = II Team=20 Evil Fish, Cache-mobile and all sat stuck facing the Superstition=20 Mountains.
------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C424C5.A837C140-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 06:20:11 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:20:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) page 2 References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <009701c4250d$34e5e260$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C424D2.87CE68C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had last week on Thursday changed a flat tire on the Cache-mobile, = still had not one but 2 jacks in the trunk, so with what little of my = mind made the grandiose decision to jack up the car place rocks under = the front wheels filling in the rut, filling in the rut would allow me = to drive back down, leaving this cache for yet another day. I had left = 04/04/04 and I could leave Yuban, see deep down inside I have been = feeling, something I don't really know what specific thing it is = connected to but it does have it's beginnings on April 10th, that is the = day that TEF found the 04/04/04 cache, well seeing RandMan's signature = as a FTF along with the week long line of emails capped by the personal = visit to Alex's ball game just hit a part of my psyche that I have not = had touched in a while, as I am usually the instigator and not recipient = of a ruse, even God himself who I should have been visiting with last = Sunday instead of loosing yet another personally built rocket( last seen = heading towards Tucson), decided to set things right again. Every time = that I would raise the car with my hydraulic floor the jack it would = rotate and slide the car down the hill, 6 to 12 inches at a time, then = when the first jack would get stuck usually on it's side and under the = bumper, I would get the second screw jack to get the first jack unstuck = and yes the car would slip again. When the Cache-mobile had slipped = about 3 feet further down I decided to start the car and see if I could = get the front end pointed in a more down hill position and let gravity = help rather than add to my frustration. Have you ever watched a drag = race, when the vehicle warms the tires? See they set a front brake and = press the accelerator, the rear wheels spin generating heat into the = tires and release smoke they then release the brakes so the car instead = of attempting to rotate around the front wheels, jets down the track = removing rubber from the wheel applying it to the track, increasing = friction etc., see in theory all this is well and good but say you have = your vehicle sideways on a slope. When the cache mobile was again facing = the same position that it was in when all this happened, I handed Alex = my cell phone to call for help.=20 =20 Now I use Verizon as my cell phone provider and I get decent reception = even in areas that some don't so I had Alex place a call to Rand, he = wasn't answering, the second call was to a tow truck company the line = went dead, so while conversing with DPS as they are also in my phone = book, maybe it was a connection to Brian from Team A.I. and the Event = cache today that allowed TEF 2 first finds, or the simple fact that I = wasn't for sure which jurisdiction we were in, while I was giving = directions to where we were stuck, up the hill comes this green ATV, the = phone conversation gets real static I was able to get a number to call = back and decided to take what was just handed me, the driver was wearing = a GatorBack t-shirt (Alex was given a GatorBack rod soon after he set = his first World Record, combined with the new Zebco Red Rhino, he could = only when he really wanted to, pull in the fish). I could only think of = one thing that being of what my sister last said to me, 'go to church' = but I then in those moments recognized the miracle for what it was, see = when you forget God he will in his own way let you know that he is = thinking of you.=20 As the situation was assessed it was more of a moot point that the ATV = driver was going to bring back his nice white Ford 350, the only thing = that changed was which direction the car would be pulled, we decided to = pull the car from the front up the hill and allow me to back down as = originally planned. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can = happen with caching trip.) Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) =20 I had first wanted to get Yuban the Can II way back when it first was = placed as when the first Yuban was found RandMan and I parked further = than we needed, so knowing that you could park pretty much right next to = this Yuban, I waited. I read the logs about those who hiked up the = mountain, then I read the hint a good 4X4 will get you close, I have = been hanging around RTW to much I have even been in the back of his 2X4 = going places 'it ain't supposed to be'. I really like my Cache-Mobile a = 1983 Toyota Cressida it has taken me about every place that I wanted to = go, in the grand scheme of things last week I was able to borrow my = sister's Toyota Camry, a lot newer and Way more nicer, it was in that = vehicle where I first started the finding of 04/04/04 cache, which leads = to another issue of pride, it will be discussed shortly. Needless to say = I have enjoyed the TEF Cache-mobile so it wasn't without hesitation that = after finding the first part to the nearby cache, that this cache .40 = miles that a way would be driven in the TEF Cache-Mobile. =20 The road we were currently on, even though it looked like a tornado = blew apart a house, as there were fixing everywhere, was not the road to = Yuban so I did something that I would not recommend doing that being = driving around through the private neighborhood, but we parked and = walked far enough to find the correct road that leads to Yuban, so back = out the way we came back through tornado alley and back onto the road to = Yuban. Maybe it was the fact that I gave the Cache-mobile its first real = car wash in over a year, used the engine degreaser and everything on the = outside, but I was beginning to regret all the dirt roads that we had = been driving on this day. =20 As we rounded the left hand turn and drove past the open gate, this is = where all the thinking that I have been doing as of late ruined me, I = didn't accelerate as fast as I now know the Cache-Mobile should have = been, traveling past the rain caused ruts approached to within about .12 = miles from Yuban, this is a section of road that has the whoop de do's = so all that non momentum put just enough hesitation in my driving = decision along with the voiced concern from Alex, the younger member, = that I stopped. Now I know that most of you reading this would have been = thinking, just get out and hike. (Yes this is all well and fine but I = decided that backing down and turning around now before finding the = cache would be a good idea). Just like Neo in the Matrix, the meet the = Oracle Scene and the broken vase, what happened next really blew what = little mind I had left. Just as the rear left wheel dropped into the rut = I turned the steering wheel combined with gravity assisted momentum both = rear wheels passed through the rut, again at this point the Cache-Mobile = was at a crux it tried to warn me, I heard a break squeak but I at that = moment in time I pressed the accelerator dragging the front wheels into = the rut, so here no less than .12 miles from Yuban the Can II Team Evil = Fish, Cache-mobile and all sat stuck facing the Superstition Mountains. ------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C424D2.87CE68C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had last week on = Thursday=20 changed a flat tire on the Cache-mobile, still had not one but 2 jacks = in the=20 trunk, so with what little of my mind made the grandiose decision to = jack up the=20 car place rocks under the front wheels filling in the rut, filling in = the rut=20 would allow me to drive back down, leaving this cache for yet another = day. I had=20 left 04/04/04 and I could leave Yuban, see deep down inside I have been = feeling,=20 something I don=92t really know what specific thing it is connected to = but it does=20 have it=92s beginnings on April 10^th, that is the day that = TEF found=20 the 04/04/04 cache, well seeing RandMan=92s signature as a FTF along = with the week=20 long line of emails capped by the personal visit to Alex=92s ball game = just hit a=20 part of my psyche that I have not had touched in a while, as I am = usually the=20 instigator and not recipient of a ruse, even God himself who I should = have been=20 visiting with last Sunday instead of loosing yet another personally = built=20 rocket( last seen heading towards Tucson), decided to set things right = again.=20 Every time that I would raise the car with my hydraulic floor the jack = it would=20 rotate and slide the car down the hill, 6 to 12 inches at a time, then = when the=20 first jack would get stuck usually on it=92s side and under the bumper, = I would=20 get the second screw jack to get the first jack unstuck and yes the car = would=20 slip again. When the Cache-mobile had slipped about 3 feet further down = I=20 decided to start the car and see if I could get the front end pointed in = a more=20 down hill position and let gravity help rather than add to my = frustration. Have=20 you ever watched a drag race, when the vehicle warms the tires? See they = set a=20 front brake and press the accelerator, the rear wheels spin generating = heat into=20 the tires and release smoke they then release the brakes so the car = instead of=20 attempting to rotate around the front wheels, jets down the track = removing=20 rubber from the wheel applying it to the track, increasing friction = etc., see in=20 theory all this is well and good but say you have your vehicle sideways = on a=20 slope. When the cache mobile was again facing the same position that it = was in=20 when all this happened, I handed Alex my cell phone to call for help. =

Now I use Verizon as = my cell=20 phone provider and I get decent reception even in areas that some = don=92t so I had=20 Alex place a call to Rand, he wasn=92t answering, the second call was to = a tow=20 truck company the line went dead, so while conversing with DPS as they = are also=20 in my phone book, maybe it was a connection to Brian from Team A.I. and = the=20 Event cache today that allowed TEF 2 first finds, or the simple fact = that I=20 wasn=92t for sure which jurisdiction we were in, while I was giving = directions to=20 where we were stuck, up the hill comes this green ATV, the phone = conversation=20 gets real static I was able to get a number to call back and decided to = take=20 what was just handed me, the driver was wearing a GatorBack t-shirt = (Alex was=20 given a GatorBack rod soon after he set his first World Record, combined = with=20 the new Zebco Red Rhino, he could only when he really wanted to, pull in = the=20 fish). I could only think of one thing that being of what my sister last = said to=20 me, =91go to church=92 but I then in those moments recognized the = miracle for what=20 it was, see when you forget God he will in his own way let you know that = he is=20 thinking of you.
As=20 the situation was assessed it was more of a moot point that the ATV = driver was=20 going to bring back his nice white Ford 350, the only thing that changed = was=20 which direction the car would be pulled, we decided to pull the car from = the=20 front up the hill and allow me to back down as originally = planned.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan = Smith=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 = 9:48=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban = the Can II=20 (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.)

Yuban the Can II = (Aka=20 Everything that can happen with caching trip.)

I had first wanted = to get Yuban=20 the Can II way back when it first was placed as when the first Yuban = was found=20 RandMan and I parked further than we needed, so knowing that you could = park=20 pretty much right next to this Yuban, I waited. I read the logs about = those=20 who hiked up the mountain, then I read the hint a good 4X4 will get = you close,=20 I have been hanging around RTW to much I have even been in the back of = his 2X4=20 going places =91it ain=92t supposed to be=92. I really like my = Cache-Mobile a 1983=20 Toyota Cressida it has taken me about every place that I wanted to go, = in the=20 grand scheme of things last week I was able to borrow my sister=92s = Toyota=20 Camry, a lot newer and Way more nicer, it was in that vehicle where I = first=20 started the finding of 04/04/04 cache, which leads to another issue of = pride,=20 it will be discussed shortly. Needless to say I have enjoyed the TEF=20 Cache-mobile so it wasn=92t without hesitation that after finding the = first part=20 to the nearby cache, that this cache .40 miles that a way would be = driven in=20 the TEF Cache-Mobile.

The road we were = currently on,=20 even though it looked like a tornado blew apart a house, as there were = fixing=20 everywhere, was not the road to Yuban so I did something that I would = not=20 recommend doing that being driving around through the private = neighborhood,=20 but we parked and walked far enough to find the correct road that = leads to=20 Yuban, so back out the way we came back through tornado alley and back = onto=20 the road to Yuban. Maybe it was the fact that I gave the Cache-mobile = its=20 first real car wash in over a year, used the engine degreaser and = everything=20 on the outside, but I was beginning to regret all the dirt roads that = we had=20 been driving on this day.

As=20 we rounded the left hand turn and drove past the open gate, this is = where all=20 the thinking that I have been doing as of late ruined me, I didn=92t = accelerate=20 as fast as I now know the Cache-Mobile should have been, traveling = past the=20 rain caused ruts approached to within about .12 miles from Yuban, this = is a=20 section of road that has the whoop de do=92s so all that non momentum = put just=20 enough hesitation in my driving decision along with the voiced concern = from=20 Alex, the younger member, that I stopped. Now I know that most of you = reading=20 this would have been thinking, just get out and hike. (Yes this is all = well=20 and fine but I decided that backing down and turning around now before = finding=20 the cache would be a good idea). Just like Neo in the Matrix, the meet = the=20 Oracle Scene and the broken vase, what happened next really blew what = little=20 mind I had left. Just as the rear left wheel dropped into the rut I = turned the=20 steering wheel combined with gravity assisted momentum both rear = wheels passed=20 through the rut, again at this point the Cache-Mobile was at a crux it = tried=20 to warn me, I heard a break squeak but I at that moment in time I = pressed the=20 accelerator dragging the front wheels into the rut, so here no less = than .12=20 miles from Yuban the Can II Team Evil Fish, Cache-mobile and all sat = stuck=20 facing the Superstition = Mountains.
------=_NextPart_000_0094_01C424D2.87CE68C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 06:28:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:28:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) page3 References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <009701c4250d$34e5e260$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <00ad01c4250e$640d9c80$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C424D3.B77C69E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 Now there are times when while caching the simple joys in life are = brought back to the front of your thinking, all is well with the world, = so when the ATV driver agreed to finish the quest for Yuban the Can II, = what would have been better than parking 40 feet from the cache, having = a short conversation about snakes and where they hide, then have him = spot the cache. The only thing I could do was really sign the logbook. I = am sure that now that he knows the location of the cache when he hikes = up the hill it will be checked in on. =20 This will be the last cache that TEF finds, as we were driving out to = the pavement noticed that the speedometer and odometer were no longer = functioning, yeah I know I can use my GPS for that, the left rear tire = due to the angle and prior wear is now showing not only wire but fabric = threads on a 1 inch circumference. The funny thing had I paid for a tow = truck, it would have been more than the blue book value for the = Cache-mobile. Did I mention that we had no liquid refreshment, Alex and = I were very thirsty, say isn't the What's New cache near a Basha's???? =20 =20 Thanks for the fun and realignment. =20 And for those who want a thing to think about, you are always in the = middle there will always be someone faster than you, have less finds, = even more money. I can write now that I am now back to normal, as well = as it can be J. =20 =20 From: EvilFISH=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can = happen with caching trip.) page 2 I had last week on Thursday changed a flat tire on the Cache-mobile, = still had not one but 2 jacks in the trunk, so with what little of my = mind made the grandiose decision to jack up the car place rocks under = the front wheels filling in the rut, filling in the rut would allow me = to drive back down, leaving this cache for yet another day. I had left = 04/04/04 and I could leave Yuban, see deep down inside I have been = feeling, something I don't really know what specific thing it is = connected to but it does have it's beginnings on April 10th, that is the = day that TEF found the 04/04/04 cache, well seeing RandMan's signature = as a FTF along with the week long line of emails capped by the personal = visit to Alex's ball game just hit a part of my psyche that I have not = had touched in a while, as I am usually the instigator and not recipient = of a ruse, even God himself who I should have been visiting with last = Sunday instead of loosing yet another personally built rocket( last seen = heading towards Tucson), decided to set things right again. Every time = that I would raise the car with my hydraulic floor the jack it would = rotate and slide the car down the hill, 6 to 12 inches at a time, then = when the first jack would get stuck usually on it's side and under the = bumper, I would get the second screw jack to get the first jack unstuck = and yes the car would slip again. When the Cache-mobile had slipped = about 3 feet further down I decided to start the car and see if I could = get the front end pointed in a more down hill position and let gravity = help rather than add to my frustration. Have you ever watched a drag = race, when the vehicle warms the tires? See they set a front brake and = press the accelerator, the rear wheels spin generating heat into the = tires and release smoke they then release the brakes so the car instead = of attempting to rotate around the front wheels, jets down the track = removing rubber from the wheel applying it to the track, increasing = friction etc., see in theory all this is well and good but say you have = your vehicle sideways on a slope. When the cache mobile was again facing = the same position that it was in when all this happened, I handed Alex = my cell phone to call for help.=20 =20 Now I use Verizon as my cell phone provider and I get decent reception = even in areas that some don't so I had Alex place a call to Rand, he = wasn't answering, the second call was to a tow truck company the line = went dead, so while conversing with DPS as they are also in my phone = book, maybe it was a connection to Brian from Team A.I. and the Event = cache today that allowed TEF 2 first finds, or the simple fact that I = wasn't for sure which jurisdiction we were in, while I was giving = directions to where we were stuck, up the hill comes this green ATV, the = phone conversation gets real static I was able to get a number to call = back and decided to take what was just handed me, the driver was wearing = a GatorBack t-shirt (Alex was given a GatorBack rod soon after he set = his first World Record, combined with the new Zebco Red Rhino, he could = only when he really wanted to, pull in the fish). I could only think of = one thing that being of what my sister last said to me, 'go to church' = but I then in those moments recognized the miracle for what it was, see = when you forget God he will in his own way let you know that he is = thinking of you.=20 As the situation was assessed it was more of a moot point that the ATV = driver was going to bring back his nice white Ford 350, the only thing = that changed was which direction the car would be pulled, we decided to = pull the car from the front up the hill and allow me to back down as = originally planned. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Regan Smith=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can = happen with caching trip.) Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) =20 I had first wanted to get Yuban the Can II way back when it first = was placed as when the first Yuban was found RandMan and I parked = further than we needed, so knowing that you could park pretty much right = next to this Yuban, I waited. I read the logs about those who hiked up = the mountain, then I read the hint a good 4X4 will get you close, I have = been hanging around RTW to much I have even been in the back of his 2X4 = going places 'it ain't supposed to be'. I really like my Cache-Mobile a = 1983 Toyota Cressida it has taken me about every place that I wanted to = go, in the grand scheme of things last week I was able to borrow my = sister's Toyota Camry, a lot newer and Way more nicer, it was in that = vehicle where I first started the finding of 04/04/04 cache, which leads = to another issue of pride, it will be discussed shortly. Needless to say = I have enjoyed the TEF Cache-mobile so it wasn't without hesitation that = after finding the first part to the nearby cache, that this cache .40 = miles that a way would be driven in the TEF Cache-Mobile. =20 The road we were currently on, even though it looked like a tornado = blew apart a house, as there were fixing everywhere, was not the road to = Yuban so I did something that I would not recommend doing that being = driving around through the private neighborhood, but we parked and = walked far enough to find the correct road that leads to Yuban, so back = out the way we came back through tornado alley and back onto the road to = Yuban. Maybe it was the fact that I gave the Cache-mobile its first real = car wash in over a year, used the engine degreaser and everything on the = outside, but I was beginning to regret all the dirt roads that we had = been driving on this day. =20 As we rounded the left hand turn and drove past the open gate, this = is where all the thinking that I have been doing as of late ruined me, I = didn't accelerate as fast as I now know the Cache-Mobile should have = been, traveling past the rain caused ruts approached to within about .12 = miles from Yuban, this is a section of road that has the whoop de do's = so all that non momentum put just enough hesitation in my driving = decision along with the voiced concern from Alex, the younger member, = that I stopped. Now I know that most of you reading this would have been = thinking, just get out and hike. (Yes this is all well and fine but I = decided that backing down and turning around now before finding the = cache would be a good idea). Just like Neo in the Matrix, the meet the = Oracle Scene and the broken vase, what happened next really blew what = little mind I had left. Just as the rear left wheel dropped into the rut = I turned the steering wheel combined with gravity assisted momentum both = rear wheels passed through the rut, again at this point the Cache-Mobile = was at a crux it tried to warn me, I heard a break squeak but I at that = moment in time I pressed the accelerator dragging the front wheels into = the rut, so here no less than .12 miles from Yuban the Can II Team Evil = Fish, Cache-mobile and all sat stuck facing the Superstition Mountains. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C424D3.B77C69E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

----- Original Message -----=20

Now there are times when while caching the simple joys in = life are=20 brought back to the front of your thinking, all is well with the = world, so=20 when the ATV driver agreed to finish the quest for Yuban the Can II, = what=20 would have been better than parking 40 feet from the cache, having a = short=20 conversation about snakes and where they hide, then have him spot the = cache.=20 The only thing I could do was really sign the logbook. I am sure that = now that=20 he knows the location of the cache when he hikes up the hill it will = be=20 checked in on.

This will be the last cache that TEF finds, as we were = driving out to=20 the pavement noticed that the speedometer and odometer were no longer=20 functioning, yeah I know I can use my GPS for that, the left rear tire = due to=20 the angle and prior wear is now showing not only wire but fabric = threads on a=20 1 inch circumference. The funny thing had I paid for a tow truck, it = would=20 have been more than the blue book value for the Cache-mobile. Did I = mention=20 that we had no liquid refreshment, Alex and I were very thirsty, say = isn=92t the=20 What=92s New cache near a Basha=92s????

Thanks for the fun and realignment.

And for those who want a thing to think = about, you are=20 always in the middle there will always be someone faster than you, = have less=20 finds, even more money. I can write now that I am now back to normal, = as well=20 as it can be J.

From:=20 EvilFISH
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 = 11:20=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban = the Can II=20 (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) page 2

I had last week on = Thursday=20 changed a flat tire on the Cache-mobile, still had not one but 2 jacks = in the=20 trunk, so with what little of my mind made the grandiose decision to = jack up=20 the car place rocks under the front wheels filling in the rut, filling = in the=20 rut would allow me to drive back down, leaving this cache for yet = another day.=20 I had left 04/04/04 and I could leave Yuban, see deep down inside I = have been=20 feeling, something I don=92t really know what specific thing it is = connected to=20 but it does have it=92s beginnings on April 10^th, that is = the day=20 that TEF found the 04/04/04 cache, well seeing RandMan=92s signature = as a FTF=20 along with the week long line of emails capped by the personal visit = to Alex=92s=20 ball game just hit a part of my psyche that I have not had touched in = a while,=20 as I am usually the instigator and not recipient of a ruse, even God = himself=20 who I should have been visiting with last Sunday instead of loosing = yet=20 another personally built rocket( last seen heading towards Tucson), = decided to=20 set things right again. Every time that I would raise the car with my=20 hydraulic floor the jack it would rotate and slide the car down the = hill, 6 to=20 12 inches at a time, then when the first jack would get stuck usually = on it=92s=20 side and under the bumper, I would get the second screw jack to get = the first=20 jack unstuck and yes the car would slip again. When the Cache-mobile = had=20 slipped about 3 feet further down I decided to start the car and see = if I=20 could get the front end pointed in a more down hill position and let = gravity=20 help rather than add to my frustration. Have you ever watched a drag = race,=20 when the vehicle warms the tires? See they set a front brake and press = the=20 accelerator, the rear wheels spin generating heat into the tires and = release=20 smoke they then release the brakes so the car instead of attempting to = rotate=20 around the front wheels, jets down the track removing rubber from the = wheel=20 applying it to the track, increasing friction etc., see in theory all = this is=20 well and good but say you have your vehicle sideways on a slope. When = the=20 cache mobile was again facing the same position that it was in when = all this=20 happened, I handed Alex my cell phone to call for help.

Now I use Verizon = as my cell=20 phone provider and I get decent reception even in areas that some = don=92t so I=20 had Alex place a call to Rand, he wasn=92t answering, the second call = was to a=20 tow truck company the line went dead, so while conversing with DPS as = they are=20 also in my phone book, maybe it was a connection to Brian from Team = A.I. and=20 the Event cache today that allowed TEF 2 first finds, or the simple = fact that=20 I wasn=92t for sure which jurisdiction we were in, while I was giving = directions=20 to where we were stuck, up the hill comes this green ATV, the phone=20 conversation gets real static I was able to get a number to call back = and=20 decided to take what was just handed me, the driver was wearing a = GatorBack=20 t-shirt (Alex was given a GatorBack rod soon after he set his first = World=20 Record, combined with the new Zebco Red Rhino, he could only when he = really=20 wanted to, pull in the fish). I could only think of one thing that = being of=20 what my sister last said to me, =91go to church=92 but I then in those = moments=20 recognized the miracle for what it was, see when you forget God he = will in his=20 own way let you know that he is thinking of you.
As=20 the situation was assessed it was more of a moot point that the ATV = driver was=20 going to bring back his nice white Ford 350, the only thing that = changed was=20 which direction the car would be pulled, we decided to pull the car = from the=20 front up the hill and allow me to back down as originally=20 planned.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Regan = Smith=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, April 17, = 2004 9:48=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Yuban the Can=20 II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.)

Yuban the Can II = (Aka=20 Everything that can happen with caching trip.)

I had first = wanted to get=20 Yuban the Can II way back when it first was placed as when the first = Yuban=20 was found RandMan and I parked further than we needed, so knowing = that you=20 could park pretty much right next to this Yuban, I waited. I read = the logs=20 about those who hiked up the mountain, then I read the hint a good = 4X4 will=20 get you close, I have been hanging around RTW to much I have even = been in=20 the back of his 2X4 going places =91it ain=92t supposed to be=92. I = really like my=20 Cache-Mobile a 1983 Toyota Cressida it has taken me about every = place that I=20 wanted to go, in the grand scheme of things last week I was able to = borrow=20 my sister=92s Toyota Camry, a lot newer and Way more nicer, it was = in that=20 vehicle where I first started the finding of 04/04/04 cache, which = leads to=20 another issue of pride, it will be discussed shortly. Needless to = say I have=20 enjoyed the TEF Cache-mobile so it wasn=92t without hesitation that = after=20 finding the first part to the nearby cache, that this cache .40 miles that a way would = be driven=20 in the TEF Cache-Mobile.

The road we were = currently=20 on, even though it looked like a tornado blew apart a house, as = there were=20 fixing everywhere, was not the road to Yuban so I did something that = I would=20 not recommend doing that being driving around through the private=20 neighborhood, but we parked and walked far enough to find the = correct road=20 that leads to Yuban, so back out the way we came back through = tornado alley=20 and back onto the road to Yuban. Maybe it was the fact that I gave = the=20 Cache-mobile its first real car wash in over a year, used the engine = degreaser and everything on the outside, but I was beginning to = regret all=20 the dirt roads that we had been driving on this day.

As=20 we rounded the left hand turn and drove past the open gate, this is = where=20 all the thinking that I have been doing as of late ruined me, I = didn=92t=20 accelerate as fast as I now know the Cache-Mobile should have been,=20 traveling past the rain caused ruts approached to within about .12 = miles=20 from Yuban, this is a section of road that has the whoop de do=92s = so all that=20 non momentum put just enough hesitation in my driving decision along = with=20 the voiced concern from Alex, the younger member, that I stopped. = Now I know=20 that most of you reading this would have been thinking, just get out = and=20 hike. (Yes this is all well and fine but I decided that backing down = and=20 turning around now before finding the cache would be a good idea). = Just like=20 Neo in the Matrix, the meet the Oracle Scene and the broken vase, = what=20 happened next really blew what little mind I had left. Just as the = rear left=20 wheel dropped into the rut I turned the steering wheel combined with = gravity=20 assisted momentum both rear wheels passed through the rut, again at = this=20 point the Cache-Mobile was at a crux it tried to warn me, I heard a = break=20 squeak but I at that moment in time I pressed the accelerator = dragging the=20 front wheels into the rut, so here no less than .12 miles from Yuban = the Can=20 II Team Evil Fish, Cache-mobile and all sat stuck facing the = Superstition=20 Mountains.

------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C424D3.B77C69E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 06:40:45 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) In-Reply-To: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> Regan Smith wrote: > Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) And...............? Where's the rest of the story? Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 06:45:42 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:45:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> I had to log my find somewhere as the main site was busy.... Hey when is the tentative date for the benefit event cache?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) > Regan Smith wrote: > > Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) > > And...............? > > Where's the rest of the story? > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 07:59:59 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 00:59:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Entertaining evening :-) Message-ID: <000b01c4251b$263c7ea0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Had the most interesting evening at a cache. Found it in five minutes, spent 2-1/2 hours dealing with the puppy we also found at the cache. :-) Photos and a fun log are available at http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=d1fda117-0c25-464c-bda5-23840a708ce1 :) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 4/15/2004 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 14:25:05 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:25:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> Here's our log for this cache for this cache of just a week ago...one sentence seems to loom large after TEF's experience. Found the first Yuban the Can cache some time ago. Has taken a while for us to get around to this one. I figured that we could make it up the hill in our 2-wheel drive SUV, but I started doing this for the exercise, so we hoofed it up. I had my 3 y.o. on my shoulders, and couldn't believe that he fell asleep with his head on the back of mine. Didn't take too long to get to the top, but was fairly steep and a good workout. Got to the cache area and found it in short order. Thanks for a fun cache I could do with my boys... TeamBlunder Joe, Brad, & Erik That's been true with a lot of caches that we have done, especially when I have Erik along. I like going into cache with him on my back in the baby backpack, or on my shoulders as with this cache. Makes things a lot more interesting and fun for us. I would much rather park the vehicle and walk in for these short, steep caches and get some exercise than to drive it up there. I don't get any satisfaction or thrill writing something like "parked 60 feet away" in my log, but I do get satisfaction and a sense of accomplishment from carrying 45 - 50 lbs up these hills around here in the form of my 3 y.o., backpack, and water that we carry to do it. For those of you who have never met me, (and that's really most of you), I'm a 260 lb, overweight man with bum knees who is an Engineer and gets very little exercise all week at my job. I do swim a mile during lunches 4 - 5 times a week at a nearby YMCA and then go out on these outings. So with that description maybe you can see why I get a sense of accomplishment about having my child on my back while doing this. It's just an estimate, a WAG really, but I think Erik has been on my back for around 400 or so caches. Erik's getting to the point now where he wants to walk up these hills, though I ALWAYS put on the backpack on longer hikes, or end up putting him on my shoulders, he's pretty good about pooping out while going up them. With this particular cache he wanted on my shoulders as soon as the incline started, which was within 100 ft of where we parked our vehicle. Soon, I image, Erik will walk to all these, and I can start over with Harmon on my back, that will really put some strain on as he is 24 lbs at 8.5 months! I guess that walking up when you have a choice isn't that popular in these days of trying to fit in 10 plus caches, (or many more), into every one of our cache outings, but it works for us. Of course we really aren't and never have been worried about any numbers, we just kind of do this as a hobby, for the exercise, and as a way to get myself and the kids out of the house as my wife sleeps after working a 12 hour night shift on Friday nights...although I do, occasionally, find some caches on my way home from work. So the next time that some of you are faced with a choice of whether to drive or walk, you might want to take the safe way out and get some exercise...or not. Reagan, I hope you get your cache mobile repaired soon and get back out there. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 17:04:36 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:04:36 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> Message-ID: <000901c42567$3b3e14c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Thanks Alex won't ride until the tire is fixed it was about all I could do to get him home, even with the stop at the batting cage. yeah there be many a reason to Geocache as is evident by the next partial cache log by TEF What's New? by team RED DOG GCJ4XE Well we parked to far from the cache but that wasn't the main objective, Food and drink. I had a good idea as to where the cache would be located, we even used that entrance to obtain sustenance, so after re-fueling and preparing for further meals, again decided to find a cache. ps When you go to RTW-1 I bet it will take the joy out of Exercising ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brekke" To: Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) > Here's our log for this cache for this cache of just a week ago...one > sentence seems to loom large after TEF's experience. > > Found the first Yuban the Can cache some time ago. Has taken a while for us > to get around to this one. I figured that we could make it up the hill in > our 2-wheel drive SUV, but I started doing this for the exercise, so we > hoofed it up. I had my 3 y.o. on my shoulders, and couldn't believe that he > fell asleep with his head on the back of mine. > > Didn't take too long to get to the top, but was fairly steep and a good > workout. Got to the cache area and found it in short order. > > Thanks for a fun cache I could do with my boys... > > TeamBlunder > Joe, Brad, & Erik > > That's been true with a lot of caches that we have done, especially when I > have Erik along. I like going into cache with him on my back in the baby > backpack, or on my shoulders as with this cache. Makes things a lot more > interesting and fun for us. I would much rather park the vehicle and walk > in for these short, steep caches and get some exercise than to drive it up > there. I don't get any satisfaction or thrill writing something like > "parked 60 feet away" in my log, but I do get satisfaction and a sense of > accomplishment from carrying 45 - 50 lbs up these hills around here in the > form of my 3 y.o., backpack, and water that we carry to do it. For those of > you who have never met me, (and that's really most of you), I'm a 260 lb, > overweight man with bum knees who is an Engineer and gets very little > exercise all week at my job. I do swim a mile during lunches 4 - 5 times a > week at a nearby YMCA and then go out on these outings. So with that > description maybe you can see why I get a sense of accomplishment about > having my child on my back while doing this. It's just an estimate, a WAG > really, but I think Erik has been on my back for around 400 or so caches. > > Erik's getting to the point now where he wants to walk up these hills, > though I ALWAYS put on the backpack on longer hikes, or end up putting him > on my shoulders, he's pretty good about pooping out while going up them. > With this particular cache he wanted on my shoulders as soon as the incline > started, which was within 100 ft of where we parked our vehicle. Soon, I > image, Erik will walk to all these, and I can start over with Harmon on my > back, that will really put some strain on as he is 24 lbs at 8.5 months! > > I guess that walking up when you have a choice isn't that popular in these > days of trying to fit in 10 plus caches, (or many more), into every one of > our cache outings, but it works for us. Of course we really aren't and > never have been worried about any numbers, we just kind of do this as a > hobby, for the exercise, and as a way to get myself and the kids out of the > house as my wife sleeps after working a 12 hour night shift on Friday > nights...although I do, occasionally, find some caches on my way home from > work. > > So the next time that some of you are faced with a choice of whether to > drive or walk, you might want to take the safe way out and get some > exercise...or not. > > Reagan, I hope you get your cache mobile repaired soon and get back out > there. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 17:18:25 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:18:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) In-Reply-To: <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> Message-ID: <4082B861.7060607@Snaptek.com> Joe Brekke wrote: > For those of you who have never met me, (and that's really most of > you), I'm a 260 lb, overweight man with bum knees who is an Engineer > and gets very little exercise all week at my job. I do swim a mile > during lunches 4 - 5 times a week at a nearby YMCA and then go out on > these outings. So with that description maybe you can see why I get > a sense of accomplishment about having my child on my back while > doing this. It's just an estimate, a WAG really, but I think Erik > has been on my back for around 400 or so caches. How much did you weigh 400 caches ago?... I'm just curious how well the caching workout system really works? Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 18:11:17 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:11:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <000901c42567$3b3e14c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <002301c42570$8b8e2510$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Pfooey! Pfooey to you I say! Despite my acrobatics on the way up (read cache log), I had a blast going up there. The scenery in the bowl was outstanding with all the cacti and plants in spring bloom, and the view from the cache location itself was nothing short of amazing. Too bad you had to hike down with a guy named Raaaaaaaaalph! :) Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EvilFISH" To: Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) > ps When you go to RTW-1 I bet it will take the joy out of Exercising From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 19:34:12 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 12:34:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <000901c42567$3b3e14c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <002301c42570$8b8e2510$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <002301c4257c$20962620$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Ralph??? hey I was feeding the lizards a humanely thing to do ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian - Team A.I." To: Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) > Pfooey! Pfooey to you I say! Despite my acrobatics on the way up (read > cache log), I had a blast going up there. The scenery in the bowl was > outstanding with all the cacti and plants in spring bloom, and the view from > the cache location itself was nothing short of amazing. Too bad you had to > hike down with a guy named Raaaaaaaaalph! :) > > Brian > Team A.I. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EvilFISH" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can > happen with caching trip.) > > > ps When you go to RTW-1 I bet it will take the joy out of Exercising > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 21:23:42 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:23:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <4082B861.7060607@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <004501c4258b$6cc506b0$5e27a8c0@Owner> I was about 310 lbs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) > Joe Brekke wrote: > > For those of you who have never met me, (and that's really most of > > you), I'm a 260 lb, overweight man with bum knees who is an Engineer > > and gets very little exercise all week at my job. I do swim a mile > > during lunches 4 - 5 times a week at a nearby YMCA and then go out on > > these outings. So with that description maybe you can see why I get > > a sense of accomplishment about having my child on my back while > > doing this. It's just an estimate, a WAG really, but I think Erik > > has been on my back for around 400 or so caches. > > How much did you weigh 400 caches ago?... I'm just curious how well the > caching workout system really works? > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 21:44:21 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:44:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <000901c42567$3b3e14c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <005501c4258e$4efb6ae0$5e27a8c0@Owner> > ps When you go to RTW-1 I bet it will take the joy out of Exercising I'll do that sometime, and look forward to it, but I won't do it with a kid on my back. I won't take them on it where there is a possiblility that they can get hurt. But since another reason that I started doing this was to spend time with my kids someplace other than the couch, I usually have Erik along when caching so that kind of leaves it out. I have done the Camelback caches, and (Insert your politically correct name here) Caches with Erik on my back, and climbed to the tops of those peaks and down. Usually for me, going up isn't the problem, but coming down is, especially with the backpack on my back, because with the added weight and having it that far up on my body the extra moment of inertia causes a balance problem, and the extra weight gets my knees in which I have arthritis from old Wrestling and Football injuries and operations. I've also done a lot of other caches with him on my back where there is no trail (or not much of one) and steepness is an issue...Bacon Cache, Apache Leap, are ones that come to mind right off, and quite a few others. Again there it is really a balance issue. Try to come down the steep rocky terrain picking a trail through rocks that can roll out from under your feet pretty easily with that weight on your back. You have to be pretty careful not to end up on your backside...which I've done a 5 times. Erik was asleep on 3 of those and stayed asleep, miraculously, through them. I've taken the brunt of the falls, I turn on the way down so that he doesn't get hurt, that causes me to usually take a worse spill than I would have otherwise...my legs show it, that is where most of the DNA that I have left at cache sites comes from. But again that is a lot of the fun of it for me. > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 22:19:33 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:19:33 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) In-Reply-To: <004501c4258b$6cc506b0$5e27a8c0@Owner> References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <4082B861.7060607@Snaptek.com> <004501c4258b$6cc506b0$5e27a8c0@Owner> Message-ID: <4082FEF5.4050209@Snaptek.com> Joe Brekke wrote: > I was about 310 lbs. Hmmm, the 1/4 pound/cache diet... Now how many caches do I need to do to reach my ideal weight... Brian Cluff Team Snaptek Probably about 400 as well...... From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 18 22:51:53 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 15:51:53 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <4082B861.7060607@Snaptek.com> <004501c4258b$6cc506b0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <4082FEF5.4050209@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <00a701c42597$be7d7940$901a0244@ph.cox.net> So how would an Event Cache fit into the scheme?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) > Joe Brekke wrote: > > I was about 310 lbs. > > Hmmm, the 1/4 pound/cache diet... Now how many caches do I need to do > to reach my ideal weight... > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > > Probably about 400 as well...... > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 19 00:28:17 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 17:28:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) Message-ID: >I would much rather park the vehicle and walk >in for these short, steep caches and get some exercise than to drive it up >there. I don't get any satisfaction or thrill writing something like >"parked 60 feet away" in my log For others though the 'accomplishment of being able to taka vehicle to within a few feet of a cache on a mountain top or on a rough 4x4 road is a sense of satisfaction. The thrill of being able to safely drive a vehicle into an off road cache and parking closer than the last guy (and of course get back out afterwards) is a big thrill to some. I look at it both ways. I very much enjoy attempting to take my 2x4 full size truck into caches that the description states "4x4 and high clearance required". Most of the time this is someone who doesnt have a clue about what a real off road ride really is and a 2x4 with some clearance can do it easily. Other times, you really do need a beefed up truck or jeep to make it! I love driving off road. I wish I had a 4x4 truck. But, I dont. However, I do have a fairly beefy 2x4 truck (from the factory it is built pretty much the same as the 4x4 version, but it is only 2wd) and I enjoy trying to get it up a mountain road or off road route. But, I do know my limits and when I see something I dont feel confident I can get out of... I have no problem stopping and hiking the rest of the way. I only once have gotten myself stuck and could not get out. There are a few cachers out there that have driven with me that were suprised that I "take that truck into places like that". :) But, those same few cachers have also seen me stop my truck and hike the rest of the way.. cuz, it is easier to hike to the cache and drive home than to get stuck and have to work your ass off to get your truck out of a bad situation!!!!!! :) On the other hand... I love to hike. I love to climb mountains. But, if I can drive closer to a cache.. I will always take the easiest route. That is why I so much enjoy wilderness/mountain caches that require you to hike, since there is no road (or sometimes no trail for that matter) to get you closer to the cache. That is why I hid my first two caches like that (RTW-1 and 2). There is no road up there. If you want the cache.. you have to hike and climb! So, I enjoy both sides of the coin on this subject. There are plenty of caches out there that require a hike to reach and on those, I get my excercise. Other times, I enjoy seeing how close I can get my truck. I take satisfaction in meeting the challenge whether it be thru hiking or driving and reachin that goal. Yuban the Can 2 cache: I also tried to drive my truck up to this cache. It doesnt particularly look very difficult. I have driven up steeper trails before. But, it does have some loose sand and gravel on top of some old pavement and that can make it tricky to keep traction.. particularly in a 2x4 truck. I did try to drive up it and had to stop at like 300' or so because I lost traction. I probably could have made it, but my front right tire caught a small rut and that caused me to loose any momentum and traction I had left. I was doing fine until then, just applying very light gas and keeping the back tires from spinning. Once I lost traction, I knew I wouldnt be able to get going again without starting over and picking a new line. Why bother? I was only 300' from the cache.. so, I just hiked it. Afterwards, I backed my truck down the trail to a turn around point at the bottom (I think backing up is much safer than trying to turn around sometimes). I told Regan when I was talking to him about this that he shouldnt have taken a Toyota cressida up there in the first place!!! That kind of vehicle was not built for roads like that, much less anything but a paved road! It took a situation like this to finally convince him of that! It really isnt a very long or tough hike from the bottom (or from the main paved road for that matter). I didnt make it in my truck and I think I put that in my log. I have no problem admitting it. Lately, I have been even more cautious of where I take my truck (since I often use it for business as well). But again... I dont mind a good hike ;) Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee� Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 19 02:53:42 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jerry Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:53:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Travel Bug Srcrew Up Message-ID: <003701c425b9$88b112a0$10f9e344@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C4257E.D9A39560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently spent a couple weeks in Iowa and took three travel bugs to = place in caches there. I realized after returning home that I had made = an incorrect log of a bug I actually still had in AZ. I've deleted the = log from the TB page but the best I could figure to reverse the = situation was to log a pick up from the Iowa cache and then a placement = log when I deposited it at South Mountain Park today. Problem is that = it now shows an incorrect distance traveled to Iowa and back. =20 Anyone know how to make a TB log never have happened? Jerry Offtrail ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C4257E.D9A39560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I recently spent a couple weeks in Iowa = and took=20 three travel bugs to place in caches there. I realized after = returning=20 home that I had made an incorrect log of a bug I actually still had in = AZ. =20 I've deleted the log from the TB page but the best I could figure to = reverse the=20 situation was to log a pick up from the Iowa cache and then a placement = log when=20 I deposited it at South Mountain Park today. Problem is that it = now shows=20 an incorrect distance traveled to Iowa and back. =

Anyone know how to make a TB log never = have=20 happened?

Jerry

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------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C4257E.D9A39560-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 19 03:13:58 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 20:13:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Travel Bug Srcrew Up References: <003701c425b9$88b112a0$10f9e344@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <002301c425bc$5b712e80$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C42581.AEF5A6C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable E-mail the TB owner and ask them to remove the specific logs. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Nelson=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 7:53 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Travel Bug Srcrew Up I recently spent a couple weeks in Iowa and took three travel bugs to = place in caches there. I realized after returning home that I had made = an incorrect log of a bug I actually still had in AZ. I've deleted the = log from the TB page but the best I could figure to reverse the = situation was to log a pick up from the Iowa cache and then a placement = log when I deposited it at South Mountain Park today. Problem is that = it now shows an incorrect distance traveled to Iowa and back. =20 Anyone know how to make a TB log never have happened? Jerry Offtrail ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C42581.AEF5A6C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

E-mail the TB owner and ask them to = remove the=20 specific logs.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jerry=20 Nelson
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 = 7:53=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Travel = Bug=20 Srcrew Up

I recently spent a couple weeks in = Iowa and took=20 three travel bugs to place in caches there. I realized after = returning=20 home that I had made an incorrect log of a bug I actually still had in = AZ. I've deleted the log from the TB page but the best I could = figure to=20 reverse the situation was to log a pick up from the Iowa cache and = then a=20 placement log when I deposited it at South Mountain Park today. = Problem=20 is that it now shows an incorrect distance traveled to Iowa and=20 back.

Anyone know how to make a TB log = never have=20 happened?

Jerry

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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C42581.AEF5A6C0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 19 02:53:20 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:53:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <4082B861.7060607@Snaptek.com> <004501c4258b$6cc506b0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <4082FEF5.4050209@Snaptek.com> <00a701c42597$be7d7940$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <007701c425b9$7900f5a0$5e27a8c0@Owner> I could drag out my old suit coat and everyone would be under a tent!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "EvilFISH" To: Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) > So how would an Event Cache fit into the scheme?? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Cluff" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can > happen with caching trip.) > > > > Joe Brekke wrote: > > > I was about 310 lbs. > > > > Hmmm, the 1/4 pound/cache diet... Now how many caches do I need to do > > to reach my ideal weight... > > > > Brian Cluff > > Team Snaptek > > > > Probably about 400 as well...... > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 19 04:22:52 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 21:22:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Yuban the Can II (Aka Everything that can happen with caching trip.) In-Reply-To: <007701c425b9$7900f5a0$5e27a8c0@Owner> References: <008301c42500$54c152c0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <408222ED.6010004@Snaptek.com> <00b901c42510$c5706b40$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <003101c42550$f18dccf0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <4082B861.7060607@Snaptek.com> <004501c4258b$6cc506b0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <4082FEF5.4050209@Snaptek.com> <00a701c42597$be7d7940$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <007701c425b9$7900f5a0$5e27a8c0@Owner> Message-ID: <4083541C.1060002@Snaptek.com> Joe Brekke wrote: > I could drag out my old suit coat and everyone would be under a tent!! hehehehehe My, rather large, step dad always said he had his clothes specialy made at Omar's tent shop :) Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 02:02:11 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:02:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Interestingly strange Message-ID: <000a01c4267b$7f424960$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C42640.D1F0D400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fact file Pinched at the pump?=20 =20 The nationwide average cost of unleaded regular rose to = $1.75 a gallon in March 2004. How does that compare with U.S. gas prices = during the past 85 years?=20 Year Cost at the time Cost in 2004 dollars=20 1919* $0.25 $2.75=20 1929* $0.21 $2.34=20 1939* $0.19 $2.52=20 1949* $0.27 $2.10=20 1959* $0.31 $1.96=20 1969* $0.35 $1.77=20 1979* $0.84 $2.21=20 1989** $1.02 $1.48=20 1999** $1.17 $1.27=20 =20 =20 Source: U.S. Department of Energy prices (adjusted for inflation) *1919-1979 prices are for leaded regular. **Prices from 1989 to the present are for unleaded regular ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C42640.D1F0D400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fact file

Pinched at the=20 pump?

The = nationwide average=20 cost of unleaded regular rose to $1.75 a gallon in March = 2004. How=20 does that compare with U.S. gas prices during the past 85=20 years?

Year

Cost at the time

Cost in 2004=20 dollars

1919*	$0.25	$2.75
1929*	$0.21	$2.34
1939*	$0.19	$2.52
1949*	$0.27	$2.10
1959*	$0.31	$1.96
1969*	$0.35	$1.77
1979*	$0.84	$2.21
1989**	$1.02	$1.48
1999**	$1.17	$1.27

Source:=20 U.S. Department of Energy prices (adjusted for inflation)
*1919-1979 prices = are for=20 leaded regular.
**Prices from 1989 to the present are for unleaded=20 regular

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C42640.D1F0D400-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 12:09:23 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] where is Azgeocaching.com? Message-ID: <20040420120923.85722.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1170852005-1082462963=:85658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OK, this is probably a stupid question, but where is the website? Ive tried for 3 days to get to it, and from my "favorites" list and from the geocaching website link, I cant access the website. All I get is page cannot be displayed. Is there a problem from my end? Or is everyone experiencing difficulties? Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� --0-1170852005-1082462963=:85658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

OK, this is probably a stupid question, but where is the website? Ive tried for 3 days to get to it, and from my "favorites" list and from the geocaching website link, I cant access the website. All I get is page cannot be displayed. Is there a problem from my end? Or is everyone experiencing difficulties?

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� --0-1170852005-1082462963=:85658-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 12:22:04 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:22:04 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] where is Azgeocaching.com? In-Reply-To: <20040420120923.85722.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040420120923.85722.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <408515EC.9020200@usa.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070101080806040603050608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got on the website, both from my favorites and the link from geocaching website. I tried from both Netscape 7.1 and Internet Explorer 5. Gale wrote: > OK, this is probably a stupid question, but where is the website? Ive > tried for 3 days to get to it, and from my "favorites" list and from > the geocaching website link, I cant access the website. All I get is > page cannot be displayed. Is there a problem from my end? Or is > everyone experiencing difficulties? > > > > > > Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking > > Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes > On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: > "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- > "Something lost behind the Rangees. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" > > Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� > --------------070101080806040603050608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got on the website, both from my favorites and the link from geocaching website. I tried from both Netscape 7.1 and Internet Explorer 5.

Gale wrote:

OK, this is probably a stupid question, but where is the website? Ive tried for 3 days to get to it, and from my "favorites" list and from the geocaching website link, I cant access the website. All I get is page cannot be displayed. Is there a problem from my end? Or is everyone experiencing difficulties?

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Rangees. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢

--------------070101080806040603050608-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 20:27:06 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (eric) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:27:06 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits Message-ID: <4085879A.2030304@ccs-adplus.com> Teams AZJAMMIN, THE_FAMILY, and WUZZLES went on a cache trip saturday on the East side of I-17 at Table Mesa Road. We arrived at the frist cache location "Lucky 4's" and were approached by a man heading a hiking group. did not get his name, anyway he proceeded to harrass us about geocaching and archeological areas, apparently this cache is near some sort of archeological site.... and then he questioned us about our being there without a Trust land permit... we were unaware of the area being trust land... nothing mentioned about it on the cache pages for that area.... and we saw no signs stating Trust Land areas...after he left with his group of non- geocaching hikers we proceeded to find the cache... and then went on east to the tonto forest area (over some incredibly rought s roads! )and passed back through later on the way out to find the other caches around that area. Two out of seven caches in this area were missing... we speculated that perhaps they had been removed by some anti-geocaching group..... could be wrong but what a coincidence eh? so the questions begins... shouldn't there be a better way to determine land ownership? is there a good website or some sort of free map available? can a Trust Land Permit be obtained over the phone or internet? anyone know anything about this??? Thanks for any input.... AZJAMMIN From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 20:30:28 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (eric) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:30:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land In-Reply-To: <200404201905.MAA09510@ns2.sequoia.net> References: <200404201905.MAA09510@ns2.sequoia.net> Message-ID: <40858864.9040100@ccs-adplus.com> Teams AZJAMMIN, THE_FAMILY, and WUZZLES went on a cache trip saturday on the East side of I-17 at Table Mesa Road. We arrived at the frist cache location "Lucky 4's" and were approached by a man heading a hiking group. did not get his name, anyway he proceeded to harrass us about geocaching and archeological areas, apparently this cache is near some sort of archeological site.... and then he questioned us about our being there without a Trust land permit... we were unaware of the area being trust land... nothing mentioned about it on the cache pages for that area.... and we saw no signs stating Trust Land areas...after he left with his group of non- geocaching hikers we proceeded to find the cache... and then went on east to the tonto forest area (over some incredibly rought s roads! )and passed back through later on the way out to find the other caches around that area. Two out of seven caches in this area were missing... we speculated that perhaps they had been removed by some anti-geocaching group..... could be wrong but what a coincidence eh? so the questions begins... shouldn't there be a better way to determine land ownership? is there a good website or some sort of free map available? can a Trust Land Permit be obtained over the phone or internet? anyone know anything about this??? Thanks for any input.... AZJAMMIN From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 20:48:20 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill A) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:48:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits References: <4085879A.2030304@ccs-adplus.com> Message-ID: <011a01c42718$d0bb4a10$1b02a8c0@wiaz15xxwja01> Hi Eric, I carry both the "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" and the Arizona Atlas & Gazetteer" with me as they both show what jurisdiction all the land falls under. The land around exit 136 Table Mesa is State Trust land on both sides of FR41 till you enter Tonto National Forest to the east. The ranch is a small section of private land. There are some archeological sites along FR41. I have been to the older caches and they were OK. As soon as I get my jeep up and running again I will be checking some of the newer caches in there and will let the owners know if they have accidentally put them on or next to a archeological site. I carry a special state land permit so someone else will have to answer the permit question. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "eric" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits > Teams AZJAMMIN, THE_FAMILY, and WUZZLES went on a cache trip saturday on > the East side of I-17 at Table Mesa Road. We arrived at the frist cache > location "Lucky 4's" and were approached by a man heading a hiking > group. did not get his name, anyway he proceeded to harrass us about > geocaching and archeological areas, apparently this cache is near some > sort of archeological site.... and then he questioned us about our > being there without a Trust land permit... we were unaware of the area > being trust land... nothing mentioned about it on the cache pages for > that area.... and we saw no signs stating Trust Land areas...after he > left with his group of non- geocaching hikers we proceeded to find the > cache... and then went on east to the tonto forest area (over some > incredibly rought s roads! )and passed back through later on the way > out to find the other caches around that area. Two out of seven caches > in this area were missing... we speculated that perhaps they had been > removed by some anti-geocaching group..... could be wrong but what a > coincidence eh? > > so the questions begins... shouldn't there be a better way to determine > land ownership? is there a good website or some sort of free map > available? can a Trust Land Permit be obtained over the phone or internet? > > anyone know anything about this??? > Thanks for any input.... > AZJAMMIN > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 20:56:55 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (shadowace) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:56:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] State trust land Message-ID: <004801c4271a$0416c2d0$42008796@rm116lap> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C426DF.57B7EAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use the pima county mapguide around our area, but www.land.state.az.us/images/maps/stateplot.jpg is also a source.. Very little detail because it shows the entire state in one image, but you can get a vague idea if you will be close or not with this.. www.land.state.az.us/news/2004/ReformProposal.htm has some PDF files about proposed changes http://sco.az.gov/website/Arizona/viewer.htm is a decent map for Arizona.. you can zoom in and out and toggle the layers. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C426DF.57B7EAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I use the pima county mapguide around our area, but www.land.state.az= .us/images/maps/stateplot.jpg is also a source.. Very little detail because = it shows the entire state in one image, but you can get a vague idea if you will = be close or not with this..

www.land.state= .az.us/news/2004/ReformProposal.htm has some PDF files about proposed changes

http://sco.az.gov/w= ebsite/Arizona/viewer.htm is a decent map for Arizona.. you can zoom in and out and toggle the = layers.

------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C426DF.57B7EAD0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 21:13:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (shadowace) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:13:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction Message-ID: <004f01c4271c$5b5e97f0$42008796@rm116lap> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C426E1.AEFFBFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry the last link needs to be lowercase a in Arizona.. My email auto corrects it, but this causes the link to not work since it is case sentative. http://sco.az.gov/website/arizona/viewer.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C426E1.AEFFBFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry the last link needs to be lowercase a in = Arizona..<= /p>

My email auto corrects it, but this causes the link = to not work since it is case sentative.

http://sco.az.gov/w= ebsite/arizona/viewer.htm

------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C426E1.AEFFBFF0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 22:30:48 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:30:48 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits Message-ID: <20040420223048.HXQB11319.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I have a permit for State Trust Land access, and the same agency has no problem with Geocaching, as it fits their general use policies on land use. This guy sounds like another omnipotent guardian wanna-be of all things in existence, much like a land steward who at one time vowed to see Geocaching banned from everything, most likely including thought about it. I hope the caches weren't removed by rogue control freaks, but it is certainly possible. I'll be up in the area next month caching, and we shall see what I find (or don't). Brian Team A.I. > > From: "Bill A" > Date: 2004/04/20 Tue PM 04:48:20 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits > > Hi Eric, > > I carry both the "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" and the Arizona Atlas & > Gazetteer" with me as they both show what jurisdiction all the land falls > under. The land around exit 136 Table Mesa is State Trust land on both > sides of FR41 till you enter Tonto National Forest to the east. The ranch > is a small section of private land. There are some archeological sites > along FR41. I have been to the older caches and they were OK. As soon as I > get my jeep up and running again I will be checking some of the newer caches > in there and will let the owners know if they have accidentally put them on > or next to a archeological site. I carry a special state land permit so > someone else will have to answer the permit question. > Bill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eric" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:27 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits > > > > Teams AZJAMMIN, THE_FAMILY, and WUZZLES went on a cache trip saturday on > > the East side of I-17 at Table Mesa Road. We arrived at the frist cache > > location "Lucky 4's" and were approached by a man heading a hiking > > group. did not get his name, anyway he proceeded to harrass us about > > geocaching and archeological areas, apparently this cache is near some > > sort of archeological site.... and then he questioned us about our > > being there without a Trust land permit... we were unaware of the area > > being trust land... nothing mentioned about it on the cache pages for > > that area.... and we saw no signs stating Trust Land areas...after he > > left with his group of non- geocaching hikers we proceeded to find the > > cache... and then went on east to the tonto forest area (over some > > incredibly rought s roads! )and passed back through later on the way > > out to find the other caches around that area. Two out of seven caches > > in this area were missing... we speculated that perhaps they had been > > removed by some anti-geocaching group..... could be wrong but what a > > coincidence eh? > > > > so the questions begins... shouldn't there be a better way to determine > > land ownership? is there a good website or some sort of free map > > available? can a Trust Land Permit be obtained over the phone or > internet? > > > > anyone know anything about this??? > > Thanks for any input.... > > AZJAMMIN > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 20 23:58:54 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:58:54 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits In-Reply-To: <20040420223048.HXQB11319.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> References: <20040420223048.HXQB11319.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <4085B93E.1090201@cableone.net> AZJAMMIN, I know there are places where you need a permit, I have not been there yet but I intend on getting the permit shortly. You may call (602) 364-2753 and they will send you the application for a State Land Permit and the terms and conditions for use. The Permit cost $15.00 for singles and $20.00 for a family. I think the permit is a one year renewable type. They have an office at 1616 West Adams, Phx., 3650 Lake Mary Rd., Flagstaff, 233 N. Main Ave., Tucson and the information center at 222 N. Central Ave., Suite 101, Phx. (602) 417-9300 Under "Examples of permitted recreational activities allowed, organized club events! I think we are somewhat of an organized club at "Geocaching.com" Best to you and yours, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite Brian - Team A.I. wrote: >I have a permit for State Trust Land access, and the same agency has no problem with Geocaching, as it fits their general use policies on land use. This guy sounds like another omnipotent guardian wanna-be of all things in existence, much like a land steward who at one time vowed to see Geocaching banned from everything, most likely including thought about it. > >I hope the caches weren't removed by rogue control freaks, but it is certainly possible. I'll be up in the area next month caching, and we shall see what I find (or don't). > >Brian >Team A.I. > > > >>From: "Bill A" >>Date: 2004/04/20 Tue PM 04:48:20 EDT >>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits >> >>Hi Eric, >> >>I carry both the "Arizona Road & Recreation Atlas" and the Arizona Atlas & >>Gazetteer" with me as they both show what jurisdiction all the land falls >>under. The land around exit 136 Table Mesa is State Trust land on both >>sides of FR41 till you enter Tonto National Forest to the east. The ranch >>is a small section of private land. There are some archeological sites >>along FR41. I have been to the older caches and they were OK. As soon as I >>get my jeep up and running again I will be checking some of the newer caches >>in there and will let the owners know if they have accidentally put them on >>or next to a archeological site. I carry a special state land permit so >>someone else will have to answer the permit question. >>Bill >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "eric" >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:27 PM >>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits >> >> >> >> >>>Teams AZJAMMIN, THE_FAMILY, and WUZZLES went on a cache trip saturday on >>>the East side of I-17 at Table Mesa Road. We arrived at the frist cache >>>location "Lucky 4's" and were approached by a man heading a hiking >>>group. did not get his name, anyway he proceeded to harrass us about >>>geocaching and archeological areas, apparently this cache is near some >>>sort of archeological site.... and then he questioned us about our >>>being there without a Trust land permit... we were unaware of the area >>>being trust land... nothing mentioned about it on the cache pages for >>>that area.... and we saw no signs stating Trust Land areas...after he >>>left with his group of non- geocaching hikers we proceeded to find the >>>cache... and then went on east to the tonto forest area (over some >>>incredibly rought s roads! )and passed back through later on the way >>>out to find the other caches around that area. Two out of seven caches >>>in this area were missing... we speculated that perhaps they had been >>>removed by some anti-geocaching group..... could be wrong but what a >>>coincidence eh? >>> >>>so the questions begins... shouldn't there be a better way to determine >>>land ownership? is there a good website or some sort of free map >>>available? can a Trust Land Permit be obtained over the phone or >>> >>> >>internet? >> >> >>>anyone know anything about this??? >>>Thanks for any input.... >>>AZJAMMIN >>> >>> From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 00:27:52 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (William Noll) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:27:52 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits In-Reply-To: <4085B93E.1090201@cableone.net> Message-ID: <20040421002819.AB059C4015@mapita> A valid Arizona hunting license will also allow you on State Trust Lands (it's a little more, though, $25.50). If you have one, you really don't need the recreation permit. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 00:32:10 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:32:10 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land In-Reply-To: <40858864.9040100@ccs-adplus.com> Message-ID: <000501c42738$185f09f0$6601a8c0@Business> > so the questions begins... shouldn't there be a better way to determine > land ownership? is there a good website or some sort of free map > available? can a Trust Land Permit be obtained over the phone or internet? Someone's already pointed out how to get the permit, but this site has all the details: http://www.land.state.az.us/programs/natural/rec_offroad_permit.htm The State Land Department (AKA "The Land Trust") has no objection to Geocaching. But caching or otherwise, you can be nicked for a pretty hefty fine if you are found on Trust Land without the permit, so it's a pretty good investment of fifteen or twenty dollars. For most folks that's probably less than the gas it costs to drive to a patch of Trust Land these days. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 00:47:13 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:47:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits References: <20040421002819.AB059C4015@mapita> Message-ID: <002b01c4273a$2fb39060$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Where did you find this little jewel of information? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Noll" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits > A valid Arizona hunting license will also allow you on State Trust Lands > (it's a little more, though, $25.50). If you have one, you really don't need > the recreation permit. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 01:37:43 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:37:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits References: <20040421002819.AB059C4015@mapita> <002b01c4273a$2fb39060$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <003101c42741$3e0fd900$901a0244@ph.cox.net> I guess this answers the other question I had as well http://www.gf.state.az.us/outdoor_recreation/or_faqs.html Question Do I need a permit to operate my OHV on State Trust Land? Answer Yes. You must have a recreational permit or a hunting or fishing license to be on State Land. However, a hunting or fishing license is valid only if you are actively engaged in hunting or fishing. Recreational Permits are available for individuals and families and are issued for one year from the date of purchase. The Individual Permit is $15.00 and the Family Permit is $20.00. Non-profit group and event recreational permits are also available. They require a different permit and usually require a longer processing time. You may pick up your recreational permit in person at the State Land Department main office at 1616 West Adams, Phoenix AZ 85007. Permit applications can also be requested by mail or by telephone during normal business hours by calling (602) 364-2753. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EvilFISH" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits > Where did you find this little jewel of information? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Noll" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:27 PM > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits > > > > A valid Arizona hunting license will also allow you on State Trust Lands > > (it's a little more, though, $25.50). If you have one, you really don't > need > > the recreation permit. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 01:50:34 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (ShadowAce) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:50:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits In-Reply-To: <20040421002819.AB059C4015@mapita> Message-ID: As pointed out by Evil Fish.. Having the fishing license in hand while not having a pole or being anywhere near water will not count. You have to be doing whatever the sport is.. ie: A deer hunting permit from last season will not get you anything nor will walking with a fishing pole 10 miles from the nearest water source. Permits can be obtained on a walk in basis. I had mine and was out of the office in less then 10 minutes. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of William Noll Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:28 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits A valid Arizona hunting license will also allow you on State Trust Lands (it's a little more, though, $25.50). If you have one, you really don't need the recreation permit. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 03:38:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (ShadowAce) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Law Enforcement Cachers Message-ID: Hello.. I am currently holding a Travel Bug that wants to go to Scottland Yard and it wants to meet police along the way.. Anyone know of any Geocaching police? (I do mean real and paid law enforcement officers, not geocachers who police after others :-} ) It would be nice to find someone between Casa Grande and Benson that I can pass this off to just to keep the spirit of the bug moving.. Thanks ShadowAce From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 04:27:18 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:27:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Law Enforcement Cachers References: Message-ID: <001501c42758$ee94f000$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Well, I'm not sworn, but work for DPS. :) I'm the 'other end of the radio' for all the officer in metro Phoenix at hours when only vampires should be awake. I could certainly arrange for the TB to be in the presence of uniformed officers, or it could spend a shift with me at work, helping keep my squads safe. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShadowAce" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Law Enforcement Cachers > Hello.. I am currently holding a Travel Bug that wants to go to Scottland > Yard and it wants to meet police along the way.. > > Anyone know of any Geocaching police? (I do mean real and paid law > enforcement officers, not geocachers who police after others :-} ) > > It would be nice to find someone between Casa Grande and Benson that I can > pass this off to just to keep the spirit of the bug moving.. > > Thanks > > ShadowAce > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 04:35:23 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cant get into azgeocaching still Message-ID: <20040421043523.81155.qmail@web14807.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1153168544-1082522123=:81098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hate to trouble you guys, but can one of you from azgeocaching .com help me out? I cant get into the website, and Im not sure why. Please contact me privately so we can not trouble anyone else. Thanks Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� --0-1153168544-1082522123=:81098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

I hate to trouble you guys, but can one of you from azgeocaching .com help me out? I cant get into the website, and Im not sure why. Please contact me privately so we can not trouble anyone else. Thanks

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Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� --0-1153168544-1082522123=:81098-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 13:52:08 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (William Noll) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:52:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040421135239.B6318C4014@mapita> Part of hunting is pre-season scouting. So even when not in season, and with no implement in hand, it is still considered 'hunting', and you do not need a rec permit. Now fishing is another matter... As pointed out by Evil Fish.. Having the fishing license in hand while not having a pole or being anywhere near water will not count. You have to be doing whatever the sport is.. ie: A deer hunting permit from last season will not get you anything nor will walking with a fishing pole 10 miles from the nearest water source. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 18:45:08 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:45:08 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Notacon Message-ID: <20040421184507.DSFK16948.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> I found a link to this site from fark.com. Check out Contests: http://www.notacon.org/basics.html Brian Team A.I. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 19:27:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] State Trust Land Message-ID: Some one mentioned that if you have a valid hunting license, that is only true if you are actively hunting, with a gun scouting does not count. If not you are considered trespassing. I would also recommend the permit. Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:05 PM To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com Subject: Az-Geocaching digest, Vol 1 #1751 - 10 msgs Send Az-Geocaching mailing list submissions to az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to az-geocaching-request@listserv.azgeocaching.com You can reach the person managing the list at az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Az-Geocaching digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: trust land permits (William Noll) 2. RE: trust land (Team Tierra Buena) 3. Re: trust land permits (EvilFISH) 4. Re: trust land permits (EvilFISH) 5. RE: trust land permits (ShadowAce) 6. Law Enforcement Cachers (ShadowAce) 7. Re: Law Enforcement Cachers (Brian - Team A.I.) 8. cant get into azgeocaching still (Gale) 9. RE: trust land permits (William Noll) 10. Notacon (Brian - Team A.I.) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "William Noll" To: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:27:52 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com A valid Arizona hunting license will also allow you on State Trust Lands (it's a little more, though, $25.50). If you have one, you really don't need the recreation permit. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Team Tierra Buena" To: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:32:10 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > so the questions begins... shouldn't there be a better way to determine > land ownership? is there a good website or some sort of free map > available? can a Trust Land Permit be obtained over the phone or internet? Someone's already pointed out how to get the permit, but this site has all the details: http://www.land.state.az.us/programs/natural/rec_offroad_permit.htm The State Land Department (AKA "The Land Trust") has no objection to Geocaching. But caching or otherwise, you can be nicked for a pretty hefty fine if you are found on Trust Land without the permit, so it's a pretty good investment of fifteen or twenty dollars. For most folks that's probably less than the gas it costs to drive to a patch of Trust Land these days. Steve Team Tierra Buena --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "EvilFISH" To: Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:47:13 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Where did you find this little jewel of information? ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Noll" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:27 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits > A valid Arizona hunting license will also allow you on State Trust Lands > (it's a little more, though, $25.50). If you have one, you really don't need > the recreation permit. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "EvilFISH" To: Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:37:43 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com I guess this answers the other question I had as well http://www.gf.state.az.us/outdoor_recreation/or_faqs.html Question Do I need a permit to operate my OHV on State Trust Land? Answer Yes. You must have a recreational permit or a hunting or fishing license to be on State Land. However, a hunting or fishing license is valid only if you are actively engaged in hunting or fishing. Recreational Permits are available for individuals and families and are issued for one year from the date of purchase. The Individual Permit is $15.00 and the Family Permit is $20.00. Non-profit group and event recreational permits are also available. They require a different permit and usually require a longer processing time. You may pick up your recreational permit in person at the State Land Department main office at 1616 West Adams, Phoenix AZ 85007. Permit applications can also be requested by mail or by telephone during normal business hours by calling (602) 364-2753. ----- Original Message ----- From: "EvilFISH" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits > Where did you find this little jewel of information? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Noll" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:27 PM > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits > > > > A valid Arizona hunting license will also allow you on State Trust Lands > > (it's a little more, though, $25.50). If you have one, you really don't > need > > the recreation permit. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "ShadowAce" To: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 18:50:34 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com As pointed out by Evil Fish.. Having the fishing license in hand while not having a pole or being anywhere near water will not count. You have to be doing whatever the sport is.. ie: A deer hunting permit from last season will not get you anything nor will walking with a fishing pole 10 miles from the nearest water source. Permits can be obtained on a walk in basis. I had mine and was out of the office in less then 10 minutes. -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of William Noll Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:28 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits A valid Arizona hunting license will also allow you on State Trust Lands (it's a little more, though, $25.50). If you have one, you really don't need the recreation permit. ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "ShadowAce" To: Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 20:38:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Law Enforcement Cachers Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Hello.. I am currently holding a Travel Bug that wants to go to Scottland Yard and it wants to meet police along the way.. Anyone know of any Geocaching police? (I do mean real and paid law enforcement officers, not geocachers who police after others :-} ) It would be nice to find someone between Casa Grande and Benson that I can pass this off to just to keep the spirit of the bug moving.. Thanks ShadowAce --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Brian - Team A.I." To: Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Law Enforcement Cachers Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:27:18 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Well, I'm not sworn, but work for DPS. :) I'm the 'other end of the radio' for all the officer in metro Phoenix at hours when only vampires should be awake. I could certainly arrange for the TB to be in the presence of uniformed officers, or it could spend a shift with me at work, helping keep my squads safe. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShadowAce" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:38 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Law Enforcement Cachers > Hello.. I am currently holding a Travel Bug that wants to go to Scottland > Yard and it wants to meet police along the way.. > > Anyone know of any Geocaching police? (I do mean real and paid law > enforcement officers, not geocachers who police after others :-} ) > > It would be nice to find someone between Casa Grande and Benson that I can > pass this off to just to keep the spirit of the bug moving.. > > Thanks > > ShadowAce > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:35:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Gale To: list Subject: [Az-Geocaching] cant get into azgeocaching still Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com --0-1153168544-1082522123=:81098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I hate to trouble you guys, but can one of you from azgeocaching .com help me out? I cant get into the website, and Im not sure why. Please contact me privately so we can not trouble anyone else. Thanks Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25c --0-1153168544-1082522123=:81098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

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Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25c --0-1153168544-1082522123=:81098-- --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "William Noll" To: Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] trust land permits Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:52:08 -0700 Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Part of hunting is pre-season scouting. So even when not in season, and with no implement in hand, it is still considered 'hunting', and you do not need a rec permit. Now fishing is another matter... As pointed out by Evil Fish.. Having the fishing license in hand while not having a pole or being anywhere near water will not count. You have to be doing whatever the sport is.. ie: A deer hunting permit from last season will not get you anything nor will walking with a fishing pole 10 miles from the nearest water source. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Brian - Team A.I." Organization: Arizona Geocacher To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 14:45:08 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Notacon Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com I found a link to this site from fark.com. Check out Contests: http://www.notacon.org/basics.html Brian Team A.I. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com End of Az-Geocaching Digest From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 21 19:51:05 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:51:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Notacon Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C4279F.4F694980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Darn! I've already got an event I'm attending this weekend. (Maybe next= year.) :D I think we could kick tail in the "Geocaching Scavenger Hunt Wardrive" co= ntest! :O Hmmm!? I see a name listed as one of the presenters at the event that I'= ve seen in the GC forums several times. Could it be the same "RaD MaN"? Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian - Team A.I. Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:53 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Notacon I found a link to this site from fark.com. Check out Contests: http://www.notacon.org/basics.html Brian Team A.I. ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C4279F.4F694980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Darn! I'= ve already got an event I'm attending this weekend. (Maybe next yea= r.) :D

I think we could kick tail= in the "Geocaching Scavenger Hunt Wardrive" contest! :O

Hmmm!? I see a name listed as one of the present= ers at the event that I've seen in the GC forums several times. = ; Could it be the same "RaD MaN"?

Rand

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian - Team A= I.

Sent: Wednesday, April 2= 1, 2004 11:53 AM

To: listser= v@azgeocaching.com

Subject: = [Az-Geocaching] Notacon

I found a link to this sit= e from fark.com. Check out Contests:

http://www.notacon.org/= basics.html

Brian
Team A.I.

------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C4279F.4F694980-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 22 00:25:17 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:25:17 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> References: <005601c42081$effb2460$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040421172250.01cba800@mail.myblueheaven.com> --=====================_4005669==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:33 AM 4/12/2004, you wrote: >I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching >done in Arizona since April 5th.... With the job I currently have, caching isn't really an option any longer. I work from 6:00pm to 6:00am. Since all my free time now comes in the middle of the night on my days off, and I really don't care for caching after dark, that is one of my hobbies that I just don't do any longer. Hopefully things will change in the future, but... I really hate being awake when everyone I know is asleep, and being asleep when everyone I know is awake. --=====================_4005669==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At 04:33 AM 4/12/2004, you wrote:

I have wondered this as according to the AZ site there has been no caching done in Arizona since April 5th....

With the job I currently have, caching isn't really an option any longer. I work from 6:00pm to 6:00am. Since all my free time now comes in the middle of the night on my days off, and I really don't care for caching after dark, that is one of my hobbies that I just don't do any longer.

Hopefully things will change in the future, but...

I really hate being awake when everyone I know is asleep, and being asleep when everyone I know is awake.
--=====================_4005669==.ALT-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 22 00:39:21 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:39:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Is no one caching?? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040421172250.01cba800@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <002c01c42802$42604eb0$6601a8c0@Business> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C427C7.960176B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * I really hate being awake when everyone I know is asleep, and being asleep when everyone I know is awake. Fear not, Scott. I'm working days, but I do my best to sleep on the job. Steve Team Tierra Buena ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C427C7.960176B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ø I really hate being awake = when everyone I know is asleep, and being asleep when everyone I know is = awake.

Fear not, Scott. I’m working = days, but I do my best to sleep on the job.

Steve

Team Tierra Buena =

------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C427C7.960176B0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 22 00:39:21 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 17:39:21 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Notacon In-Reply-To: <20040421184507.DSFK16948.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <003101c42802$434ecd60$6601a8c0@Business> > I found a link to this site from fark.com. Check out Contests: Cleveland's a great place for Geocaching. Cleveland Metroparks (the city's parks and recreation department) encourages geocaching. Visit their website: http://www.clemetparks.com/recreation/geocaching/index.asp. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 15:35:35 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:35:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache Message-ID: <002901c42948$9fc57ac0$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban Adventure in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet off from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday evening I went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that the coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be happening, and how do I make it stop happening? Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing from caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have any thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily disabled it, and may put it back later. Thanks! From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 15:45:37 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:37 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache In-Reply-To: <002901c42948$9fc57ac0$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> Message-ID: What I do to try and ensure an accurate measurement of where I placed a cache, and hasn't failed on me yet: Stand at the cache for a couple of minutes allowing the GPS unit to "settle down". Mark a waypoint. Walk away from the cache anywhere from 20ft - 60ft (as far as the vegetation will allow) and walk back to the cache. Wait a moment. Mark a waypoint. I repeat this step three or four times walking away and coming back from different directions. I then look at all the waypoints I marked and pick a middle one or the consensus (basically a quick mental averaging). A cache that has been messed with could be anyone - kids, someone with a gps, dog, etc. IMO if you leave a box with stuff in it lying around, expect it to be messed with at some point. Just rehide it in a better location. Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of SquishyGecko Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:36 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban Adventure in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet off from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday evening I went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that the coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be happening, and how do I make it stop happening? Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing from caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have any thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily disabled it, and may put it back later. Thanks! ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 16:09:09 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:09:09 -0700 Subject: [[Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache] Message-ID: <293iDwqJJ4048S03.1082736549@uwdvg003.cms.usa.net> I use a Garmin Etrex Legend, and usually it says it is accurate to within 15 feet. Sometimes the accuracy is less. I usually double the accuracy rate, and search within that area. When you place a cache, assuming that we both have the same inaccuracy rate (weather conditions excluded), you might be off by 15 feet in one direction and I might be off by another 15 feet in the other direction. Usually when I find a cache, my GPS shows that I am within about 15-20 feet of "ground zero". I don't thing that in over 360 finds, that I have ever had the GPS show 0 feet. Although 30 feet is a little high, I would not consider it a big problem. Mark, Magical Memories "SquishyGecko" wrote: > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban Adventure > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet off > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday evening I > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that the > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing from > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have any > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > Thanks! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 16:16:28 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 09:16:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache In-Reply-To: <002901c42948$9fc57ac0$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> References: <002901c42948$9fc57ac0$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <4089415C.2010807@cableone.net> Dear SquishyGecko, I just love that user name!! I can not comment on the missing stuff as I have not placed a cache yet, nor have I found one that was plundered. My wife and I use Garmin 12 GPS's which read the same on each one when we are approaching a cache. We have found that the accuracy between where the cache is located, the coordinates listed and the actual cache can be 15 to 30 feet different. We have also found some caches where the reading is dead on. Some of the discrepancies could be due to the signal strength of the satellites you are receiving and/or fad and bounce from buildings, rocks, trees, metal structures, etc. I remember a cache up here by me, Prescott, that I swore I was standing on top of it by the readings. It turned out that I was about 25 to 30 feet away and I blame it on the pine trees around me. My wife actually found this very cleverly hidden cache. I trust my GPS to get me close and try to use my hunting sense to find some of the better hides. Another test you can try is to go back, if you have time, to your cache, approach it from a different angle if possible and a couple of times during the day or evening. Take an average of your readings and see if you haven't come in a little closer to coordinates you have posted. If not then a small change in the posted coordinates might be in order. I tend to believe some of the people who have been caching a lot longer than I have if they suggest a reading is off a bit. On the other hand, the time of day, surrounding buildings, nearby trees, over passes, etc. etc. can and will affect reading in our receivers. Bottom line, in my opinion, you may or may not have a problem with the posted coordinates. Best to you and yours, Bob Smith, 1/2 of Team Petite Elite SquishyGecko wrote: >Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban Adventure >in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet off >from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday evening I >went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that the >coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a >Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be >happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > >Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything >removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing from >caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have any >thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily >disabled it, and may put it back later. > >Thanks! > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 20:25:19 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:25:19 EDT Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache Message-ID: <80.a0e177f.2dbad5af@aol.com> -------------------------------1082751919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone ever run a curiosity check... say 6 people approach a cache with their GPSrs.. 2 Magellan, 2 Garmin, 2 assorted... all different models...all with identical coordinates, same day/same time. Are there significant margins of error between a) different models/ same manufacturer; b) different manufacturers at a time when weather/ satellite reception/ foliage/ sunspot activity is identical and can be discounted as an accuracy factor?? Which brands/models fare best? -------------------------------1082751919 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Has anyone ever run a curiosity check... say= 6 people approach a cache with their GPSrs.. 2 Magellan, 2 Garmin, 2 assort= ed... all different models...all with identical coordinates, same day/same t= ime.

Are there significant margins of error betwe= en a) different models/ same manufacturer; b) different manufacturers =20= at a time when weather/ satellite reception/ foliage/ sunspot activity=20= is identical and can be discounted as an accuracy factor?? = Which brands/models fare best?

-------------------------------1082751919-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 20:36:55 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:36:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42972.38BCCF48 Content-Type: text/plain Something similar has been done at most of the recent event caches. A set of coordinates is given to everyone in attendence. Then, everyone takes a marker of some kind and places it exactly where their GPSR 'zeros out'. Usually, the scattering of markers is pretty wide, with some really strange outliers. It's a very interesting experiment. I don't think that anyone has done the brand analysis though. Maybe at tomorrows event in CG? LazyK - Dan _____ From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of PThomp9719@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:25 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache Has anyone ever run a curiosity check... say 6 people approach a cache with their GPSrs.. 2 Magellan, 2 Garmin, 2 assorted... all different models...all with identical coordinates, same day/same time. Are there significant margins of error between a) different models/ same manufacturer; b) different manufacturers at a time when weather/ satellite reception/ foliage/ sunspot activity is identical and can be discounted as an accuracy factor?? Which brands/models fare best? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C42972.38BCCF48 Content-Type: text/html

Something similar has been done at most of the recent event caches. A set of coordinates is given to everyone in attendence. Then, everyone takes a marker of some kind and places it exactly where their GPSR 'zeros out'. Usually, the scattering of markers is pretty wide, with some really strange outliers. It's a very interesting experiment. I don't think that anyone has done the brand analysis though. Maybe at tomorrows event in CG?

LazyK - Dan

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Has anyone ever run a curiosity check... say 6 people approach a cache with their GPSrs.. 2 Magellan, 2 Garmin, 2 assorted... all different models...all with identical coordinates, same day/same time.

Are there significant margins of error between a) different models/ same manufacturer; b) different manufacturers at a time when weather/ satellite reception/ foliage/ sunspot activity is identical and can be discounted as an accuracy factor?? Which brands/models fare best?

------_=_NextPart_001_01C42972.38BCCF48-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 22:12:07 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache Message-ID: <20040423151208.7858.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I wanted to chime in and say "DITTO" to Andy's response. When placing a cache, I do exactly that kind of physical averaging with the GPS (let it settle, move off, come back and settle, etc) followed by a quick mental averaging of the readings. I try to take 6 readings from at least 4 different directions, write them down, and then average the readings approximately. So far, using that method, the readings of the caches I have hidden have been fairly accurate. (With one exception....anyone remember my cache up at Goldwater Lake in Prescott? "All That Glitters....". Those coords were at least 60 feet off due to the messy satellite reception from the trees, but luckily it was pretty obvious where the cache was hidden since the actual coords left you standing in the middle of a blank area in the forest with a pile of branches and trimmings 60 feet away. I moved it when I realized that was a slash pile for burning....) I just had a FIRST "FIRST TO NOT FIND" (FTNF) that I am quite proud of....graldrich's "Cordes Junction" cache. Good luck finding that sucker!!! Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:37 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: > > What I do to try and ensure an accurate measurement of where I placed a > cache, and hasn't failed on me yet: > > Stand at the cache for a couple of minutes allowing the GPS unit to > "settle > down". Mark a waypoint. > Walk away from the cache anywhere from 20ft - 60ft (as far as the > vegetation > will allow) and walk back to the cache. Wait a moment. Mark a > waypoint. I > repeat this step three or four times walking away and coming back from > different directions. > I then look at all the waypoints I marked and pick a middle one or the > consensus (basically a quick mental averaging). > > A cache that has been messed with could be anyone - kids, someone with > a > gps, dog, etc. IMO if you leave a box with stuff in it lying around, > expect > it to be messed with at some point. Just rehide it in a better > location. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > SquishyGecko > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:36 AM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > Adventure > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet > off > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > evening I > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed > that the > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using > a > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would > be > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > everything > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing > from > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone > have any > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > Thanks! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 22:26:33 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:26:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geocaching.com!!! Message-ID: <20040423152634.7959.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Well, I will proudly log a FTNF (First To Not Find) on graldrich's cache if I could bring up the geocaching site....what's the deal???? On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (MST), "Trisha" wrote: > > I wanted to chime in and say "DITTO" to Andy's response. > > When placing a cache, I do exactly that kind of physical averaging > with the GPS (let it settle, move off, come back and settle, etc) > followed by a quick mental averaging of the readings. I try to take 6 > readings from at least 4 different directions, write them down, and > then average the readings approximately. So far, using that method, > the readings of the caches I have hidden have been fairly accurate. > (With one exception....anyone remember my cache up at Goldwater Lake > in Prescott? "All That Glitters....". Those coords were at least 60 > feet off due to the messy satellite reception from the trees, but > luckily it was pretty obvious where the cache was hidden since the > actual coords left you standing in the middle of a blank area in the > forest with a pile of branches and trimmings 60 feet away. I moved it > when I realized that was a slash pile for burning....) > > I just had a FIRST "FIRST TO NOT FIND" (FTNF) that I am quite proud > of....graldrich's "Cordes Junction" cache. Good luck finding that > sucker!!! > > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:37 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: > > > > > What I do to try and ensure an accurate measurement of where I > placed a > > cache, and hasn't failed on me yet: > > > > Stand at the cache for a couple of minutes allowing the GPS unit to > > "settle > > down". Mark a waypoint. > > Walk away from the cache anywhere from 20ft - 60ft (as far as the > > vegetation > > will allow) and walk back to the cache. Wait a moment. Mark a > > waypoint. I > > repeat this step three or four times walking away and coming back > from > > different directions. > > I then look at all the waypoints I marked and pick a middle one or > the > > consensus (basically a quick mental averaging). > > > > A cache that has been messed with could be anyone - kids, someone > with > > a > > gps, dog, etc. IMO if you leave a box with stuff in it lying around, > > expect > > it to be messed with at some point. Just rehide it in a better > > location. > > > > Andy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > SquishyGecko > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:36 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > > Adventure > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet > > off > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > > evening I > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed > > that the > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. > Using > > a > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would > > be > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > > everything > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing > > from > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone > > have any > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > > > Thanks! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 22:35:22 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:35:22 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache References: <002901c42948$9fc57ac0$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <000701c42983$43f4fc80$901a0244@ph.cox.net> first off aside from what the others do with the manual Garmin averaging, I prefer to let my little Magellan sit for atleast a minute then let the units self averaging do its thing for another minute, this has been the norm for our over 25 caches I have only had to adjust the coords once, but that was due to interference.... besides if the coords took you to zero everytime what fun would the 04/04/04 and Graldrichs caches be? I agree with the 15 foot radius, that is pretty much the GPS norm. as the Event cache and the ZERO experiment goes even the same units will be off a little.. as far as cache plundering goes... someone was curious to what was going on as they spotted a cacher caching. this someone was greedy someone found it by mistake and was greedy.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SquishyGecko" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban Adventure > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet off > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday evening I > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that the > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing from > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have any > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > Thanks! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 22:36:08 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:36:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geocaching.com!!! References: <20040423152634.7959.h015.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <001d01c42983$5f778720$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> I'm having trouble opening the geocaching.com site as well as the groundspeak.com site. My best guess is they're either down for maintenance or experiencing lag due to prime time usage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trisha" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geocaching.com!!! : Well, I will proudly log a FTNF (First To Not Find) on graldrich's : cache if I could bring up the geocaching site....what's the deal???? : : : : On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (MST), "Trisha" wrote: : : > : > I wanted to chime in and say "DITTO" to Andy's response. : > : > When placing a cache, I do exactly that kind of physical averaging : > with the GPS (let it settle, move off, come back and settle, etc) : > followed by a quick mental averaging of the readings. I try to take 6 : > readings from at least 4 different directions, write them down, and : > then average the readings approximately. So far, using that method, : > the readings of the caches I have hidden have been fairly accurate. : > (With one exception....anyone remember my cache up at Goldwater Lake : > in Prescott? "All That Glitters....". Those coords were at least 60 : > feet off due to the messy satellite reception from the trees, but : > luckily it was pretty obvious where the cache was hidden since the : > actual coords left you standing in the middle of a blank area in the : > forest with a pile of branches and trimmings 60 feet away. I moved it : > when I realized that was a slash pile for burning....) : > : > I just had a FIRST "FIRST TO NOT FIND" (FTNF) that I am quite proud : > of....graldrich's "Cordes Junction" cache. Good luck finding that : > sucker!!! : > : > Trisha "Lightning" : > Prescott : > : > : > : > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:37 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: : > : > > : > > What I do to try and ensure an accurate measurement of where I : > placed a : > > cache, and hasn't failed on me yet: : > > : > > Stand at the cache for a couple of minutes allowing the GPS unit to : > > "settle : > > down". Mark a waypoint. : > > Walk away from the cache anywhere from 20ft - 60ft (as far as the : > > vegetation : > > will allow) and walk back to the cache. Wait a moment. Mark a : > > waypoint. I : > > repeat this step three or four times walking away and coming back : > from : > > different directions. : > > I then look at all the waypoints I marked and pick a middle one or : > the : > > consensus (basically a quick mental averaging). : > > : > > A cache that has been messed with could be anyone - kids, someone : > with : > > a : > > gps, dog, etc. IMO if you leave a box with stuff in it lying : around, : > > expect : > > it to be messed with at some point. Just rehide it in a better : > > location. : > > : > > Andy : > > : > > -----Original Message----- : > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com : > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of : > > SquishyGecko : > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:36 AM : > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com : > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing : Cache : > > : > > : > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban : > > Adventure : > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty : feet : > > off : > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday : > > evening I : > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed : > > that the : > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. : > Using : > > a : > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this : would : > > be : > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? : > > : > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and : > > everything : > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate : stealing : > > from : > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone : > > have any : > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, : temporarily : > > disabled it, and may put it back later. : > > : > > Thanks! : > > : > > ____________________________________________________________ : > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com : > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: : > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching : > > : > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource : > > http://www.azgeocaching.com : > > : > > ____________________________________________________________ : > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com : > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: : > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching : > > : > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource : > > http://www.azgeocaching.com : > ____________________________________________________________ : > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com : > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: : > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching : > : > Arizona's Geocaching Resource : > http://www.azgeocaching.com : ____________________________________________________________ : Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com : To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: : http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching : : Arizona's Geocaching Resource : http://www.azgeocaching.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 22:57:13 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:57:13 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Gecko's missing Cache contents Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C4294B.A4EB8140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Squishy Gecko, You said you found your cache "with the top hanging open and everything r= emoved." Is it possible the lid for the container wasn't fastened well e= nough and opened, thus spilling the contents on the ground for someone to= come along and take? RandMan =20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: "SquishyGecko" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything= removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing fro= m caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone hav= e any thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporari= ly disabled it, and may put it back later. Thanks! =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C4294B.A4EB8140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Squishy Gecko,=

You said you found your cache "with the = top hanging open and everything removed." Is it possib= le the lid for the container wasn't fastened well enough an= d opened, thus spilling the contents on the ground for someone to co= me along and take?

RandMan

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Also, I located = one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything removed yesterd= ay. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing from cache= s, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone ha= ve any thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache,= temporarily disabled it, and may put it back later.

Thanks!

------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C4294B.A4EB8140-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 22:55:56 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L Flatt) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:55:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache In-Reply-To: <000701c42983$43f4fc80$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: http://www.cmtinc.com/gpsbook/chap7.html There are several external sources which introduce errors into a GPS position. While the errors affect accuracy, another major factor in determining positional accuracy is the alignment, or geometry, of the group of satellites (constellation) from which signals are being received. The geometry of the constellation is evaluated for several factors, all of which fall into the category of Dilution Of Precision, or DOP. DOP DOP is an indicator of the quality of the geometry of the satellite constellation. Your computed position can vary depending on which satellites you use for the measurement. Different satellite geometries can magnify or lessen the errors in the error budget described above. A greater angle between the satellites lowers the DOP, and provides a better measurement. A higher DOP indicates poor satellite geometry, and an inferior measurement configuration. Some GPS receivers can analyze the positions of the satellites available, based upon the almanac, and choose those satellites with the best geometry in order to make the DOP as low as possible. Another important GPS receiver feature is to be able to ignore or eliminate GPS readings with DOP values that exceed user-defined limits. Other GPS receivers may have the ability to use all of the satellites in view, thus minimizing the DOP as much as possible. Gordon L. Flatt AV Specialist Smith Junior High glflatt@mpsaz.org 480-472-4673 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:35 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache first off aside from what the others do with the manual Garmin averaging, I prefer to let my little Magellan sit for atleast a minute then let the units self averaging do its thing for another minute, this has been the norm for our over 25 caches I have only had to adjust the coords once, but that was due to interference.... besides if the coords took you to zero everytime what fun would the 04/04/04 and Graldrichs caches be? I agree with the 15 foot radius, that is pretty much the GPS norm. as the Event cache and the ZERO experiment goes even the same units will be off a little.. as far as cache plundering goes... someone was curious to what was going on as they spotted a cacher caching. this someone was greedy someone found it by mistake and was greedy.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SquishyGecko" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban Adventure > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet off > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday evening I > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that the > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing from > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have any > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > Thanks! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 22:58:35 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L Flatt) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:58:35 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache In-Reply-To: <000701c42983$43f4fc80$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: 100 meters: Accuracy of the original GPS system, which was subject to accuracy degradation under the government-imposed Selective Availability (SA) program. 15 meters: Typical GPS position accuracy without SA. 3-5 meters: Typical differential GPS (DGPS) position accuracy. < 3 meters: Typical WAAS position accuracy. Gordon L. Flatt AV Specialist Smith Junior High glflatt@mpsaz.org 480-472-4673 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:35 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache first off aside from what the others do with the manual Garmin averaging, I prefer to let my little Magellan sit for atleast a minute then let the units self averaging do its thing for another minute, this has been the norm for our over 25 caches I have only had to adjust the coords once, but that was due to interference.... besides if the coords took you to zero everytime what fun would the 04/04/04 and Graldrichs caches be? I agree with the 15 foot radius, that is pretty much the GPS norm. as the Event cache and the ZERO experiment goes even the same units will be off a little.. as far as cache plundering goes... someone was curious to what was going on as they spotted a cacher caching. this someone was greedy someone found it by mistake and was greedy.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SquishyGecko" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban Adventure > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet off > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday evening I > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that the > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing from > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have any > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > Thanks! > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 23:10:24 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:10:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache References: Message-ID: <001b01c42988$28c05180$901a0244@ph.cox.net> SA was done away with a nice thing Pres Clinton did... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon L Flatt" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > 100 meters: Accuracy of the original GPS system, which was subject to > accuracy degradation under the government-imposed Selective Availability > (SA) program. > 15 meters: Typical GPS position accuracy without SA. > 3-5 meters: Typical differential GPS (DGPS) position accuracy. > < 3 meters: Typical WAAS position accuracy. > > Gordon L. Flatt > AV Specialist > Smith Junior High > glflatt@mpsaz.org > 480-472-4673 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > EvilFISH > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:35 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing > Cache > > > first off aside from what the others do with the manual Garmin averaging, I > prefer to let my little Magellan sit for atleast a minute then let the units > self averaging do its thing for another minute, this has been the norm for > our over 25 caches I have only had to adjust the coords once, but that was > due to interference.... > besides if the coords took you to zero everytime what fun would the 04/04/04 > and Graldrichs caches be? > > I agree with the 15 foot radius, that is pretty much the GPS norm. > > as the Event cache and the ZERO experiment goes even the same units will be > off a little.. > > > as far as cache plundering goes... > > someone was curious to what was going on as they spotted a cacher caching. > this someone was greedy > > someone found it by mistake and was greedy.. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SquishyGecko" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:35 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > Adventure > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet off > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday evening > I > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that > the > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and everything > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing from > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have > any > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > > > Thanks! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 23:01:55 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:01:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geoca Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C4294C.4CC44140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Trisha, The GC site is probably busy again. Try again later. I read in the GC f= orums that starting May 1st, "GC.com" will be adding another server to re= lieve the load. Rand ----- Original Message ----- From: Trisha Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:31 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW = can't find geocaching.com!!! Well, I will proudly log a FTNF (First To Not Find) on graldrich's cache if I could bring up the geocaching site....what's the deal???? On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (MST), "Trisha" wrote: > =20 > I wanted to chime in and say "DITTO" to Andy's response. > =20 > When placing a cache, I do exactly that kind of physical averaging > with the GPS (let it settle, move off, come back and settle, etc) > followed by a quick mental averaging of the readings. I try to take 6 > readings from at least 4 different directions, write them down, and > then average the readings approximately. So far, using that method, > the readings of the caches I have hidden have been fairly accurate. > (With one exception....anyone remember my cache up at Goldwater Lake > in Prescott? "All That Glitters....". Those coords were at least 60 > feet off due to the messy satellite reception from the trees, but > luckily it was pretty obvious where the cache was hidden since the > actual coords left you standing in the middle of a blank area in the > forest with a pile of branches and trimmings 60 feet away. I moved it > when I realized that was a slash pile for burning....) > =20 > I just had a FIRST "FIRST TO NOT FIND" (FTNF) that I am quite proud > of....graldrich's "Cordes Junction" cache. Good luck finding that > sucker!!! > =20 > Trisha "Lightning" > Prescott > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:37 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: > =20 > > =20 > > What I do to try and ensure an accurate measurement of where I > placed a > > cache, and hasn't failed on me yet: > > =20 > > Stand at the cache for a couple of minutes allowing the GPS unit to > > "settle > > down". Mark a waypoint. > > Walk away from the cache anywhere from 20ft - 60ft (as far as the > > vegetation > > will allow) and walk back to the cache. Wait a moment. Mark a > > waypoint. I > > repeat this step three or four times walking away and coming back > from > > different directions. > > I then look at all the waypoints I marked and pick a middle one or > the > > consensus (basically a quick mental averaging). > > =20 > > A cache that has been messed with could be anyone - kids, someone > with > > a > > gps, dog, etc. IMO if you leave a box with stuff in it lying around, > > expect > > it to be messed with at some point. Just rehide it in a better > > location. > > =20 > > Andy > > =20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > SquishyGecko > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:36 AM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > =20 > > =20 > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > > Adventure > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet > > off > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > > evening I > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed > > that the > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. =20 > Using > > a > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would > > be > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > =20 > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > > everything > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing > > from > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone > > have any > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > =20 > > Thanks! > > =20 > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > =20 > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > =20 > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > =20 > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > =20 > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C4294C.4CC44140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Trisha,

The GC site is probably busy again. Try= again later. I read in the GC forums that starting May 1st, "= GC.com" will be adding another server to relieve the load.

&nb= sp;

Rand

----- Origina= l Message -----

From: Trisha

Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:31 PM

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldric= h's caches and NOW can't find geocaching.com!!!

We= ll, I will proudly log a FTNF (First To Not Find) on graldrich's
cache= if I could bring up the geocaching site....what's the deal????

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (MST), "Trisha" wrote:

&g= t;
> I wanted to chime in and say "DITTO" to Andy's response.
&= gt;
> When placing a cache, I do exactly that kind of physical ave= raging
> with the GPS (let it settle, move off, come back and settl= e, etc)
> followed by a quick mental averaging of the readings. I t= ry to take 6
> readings from at least 4 different directions, write= them down, and
> then average the readings approximately. So far, = using that method,
> the readings of the caches I have hidden have = been fairly accurate.
> (With one exception....anyone remember my c= ache up at Goldwater Lake
> in Prescott? "All That Glitters....". T= hose coords were at least 60
> feet off due to the messy satellite = reception from the trees, but
> luckily it was pretty obvious where= the cache was hidden since the
> actual coords left you standing i= n the middle of a blank area in the
> forest with a pile of branche= s and trimmings 60 feet away. I moved it
> when I realized that was= a slash pile for burning....)
>
> I just had a FIRST "FIRST= TO NOT FIND" (FTNF) that I am quite proud
> of....graldrich's "Cor= des Junction" cache. Good luck finding that
> sucker!!!
> > Trisha "Lightning"
> Prescott
>
>
>
&= gt; On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:37 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote:
>
= > >
> > What I do to try and ensure an accurate measureme= nt of where I
> placed a
> > cache, and hasn't failed on m= e yet:
> >
> > Stand at the cache for a couple of minu= tes allowing the GPS unit to
> > "settle
> > down". Mar= k a waypoint.
> > Walk away from the cache anywhere from 20ft - = 60ft (as far as the
> > vegetation
> > will allow) and = walk back to the cache. Wait a moment. Mark a
> > waypoint. I> > repeat this step three or four times walking away and coming b= ack
> from
> > different directions.
> > I then l= ook at all the waypoints I marked and pick a middle one or
> the> > consensus (basically a quick mental averaging).
> > <= BR>> > A cache that has been messed with could be anyone - kids, so= meone
> with
> > a
> > gps, dog, etc. IMO if you = leave a box with stuff in it lying
around,
> > expect
>= > it to be messed with at some point. Just rehide it in a better
&= gt; > location.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> = > -----Original Message-----
> > From: az-geocaching-admin@li= stserv.azgeocaching.com
> > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv= azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of
> > SquishyGecko
> > Sen= t: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:36 AM
> > To: listserv@azgeocaching.= com
> > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates &a= mp; Missing
Cache
> >
> >
> > Recently Br= ian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban
> > Adven= ture
> > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximate= ly thirty
feet
> > off
> > from what I had posted on= the listing. Along with this, yesterday
> > evening I
= > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and not= iced
> > that the
> > coordinates, while close on some,= where not so close on others.
> Using
> > a
> >= Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this
would=
> > be
> > happening, and how do I make it stop happen= ing?
> >
> > Also, I located one of my caches with the= top hanging open and
> > everything
> > removed yester= day. I recall some discussion about a pirate
stealing
> &g= t; from
> > caches, however I thought that individual had been s= topped. Anyone
> > have any
> > thoughts on this?= For the moment I've removed the cache,
temporarily
> >= disabled it, and may put it back later.
> >
> > Thank= s!
> >
> > ___________________________________________= _________________
> > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeoc= aching.com
> > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe vi= sit:
> > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-ge= ocaching
> >
> > Arizona's Geocaching Resource
>= > http://www.azgeocaching.com
> >
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------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C4294C.4CC44140-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 23:17:00 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:17:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache References: <001b01c42988$28c05180$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <002101c42989$14a17340$901a0244@ph.cox.net> I wonder is >3 Meter diameter or radius or area??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "EvilFISH" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > SA was done away with a nice thing Pres Clinton did... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon L Flatt" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:58 PM > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > 100 meters: Accuracy of the original GPS system, which was subject to > > accuracy degradation under the government-imposed Selective Availability > > (SA) program. > > 15 meters: Typical GPS position accuracy without SA. > > 3-5 meters: Typical differential GPS (DGPS) position accuracy. > > < 3 meters: Typical WAAS position accuracy. > > > > Gordon L. Flatt > > AV Specialist > > Smith Junior High > > glflatt@mpsaz.org > > 480-472-4673 > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > EvilFISH > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:35 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing > > Cache > > > > > > first off aside from what the others do with the manual Garmin averaging, > I > > prefer to let my little Magellan sit for atleast a minute then let the > units > > self averaging do its thing for another minute, this has been the norm for > > our over 25 caches I have only had to adjust the coords once, but that was > > due to interference.... > > besides if the coords took you to zero everytime what fun would the > 04/04/04 > > and Graldrichs caches be? > > > > I agree with the 15 foot radius, that is pretty much the GPS norm. > > > > as the Event cache and the ZERO experiment goes even the same units will > be > > off a little.. > > > > > > as far as cache plundering goes... > > > > someone was curious to what was going on as they spotted a cacher caching. > > this someone was greedy > > > > someone found it by mistake and was greedy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SquishyGecko" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:35 AM > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > > Adventure > > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet > off > > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > evening > > I > > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that > > the > > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a > > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be > > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > > > > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > everything > > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing > from > > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have > > any > > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 23:23:33 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Mark Heitowit) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:23:33 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geoca] Message-ID: <779iDwXXh5440S06.1082762613@cmsweb06.cms.usa.net> GC site is up now. "RAND HARDIN" wrote: > Trisha, > > The GC site is probably busy again. Try again later. I read in the GC forums that starting May 1st, "GC.com" will be adding another server to relieve the load. > > Rand > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trisha > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:31 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geocaching.com!!! > > Well, I will proudly log a FTNF (First To Not Find) on graldrich's > cache if I could bring up the geocaching site....what's the deal???? > > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (MST), "Trisha" wrote: > > > > > I wanted to chime in and say "DITTO" to Andy's response. > > > > When placing a cache, I do exactly that kind of physical averaging > > with the GPS (let it settle, move off, come back and settle, etc) > > followed by a quick mental averaging of the readings. I try to take 6 > > readings from at least 4 different directions, write them down, and > > then average the readings approximately. So far, using that method, > > the readings of the caches I have hidden have been fairly accurate. > > (With one exception....anyone remember my cache up at Goldwater Lake > > in Prescott? "All That Glitters....". Those coords were at least 60 > > feet off due to the messy satellite reception from the trees, but > > luckily it was pretty obvious where the cache was hidden since the > > actual coords left you standing in the middle of a blank area in the > > forest with a pile of branches and trimmings 60 feet away. I moved it > > when I realized that was a slash pile for burning....) > > > > I just had a FIRST "FIRST TO NOT FIND" (FTNF) that I am quite proud > > of....graldrich's "Cordes Junction" cache. Good luck finding that > > sucker!!! > > > > Trisha "Lightning" > > Prescott > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:37 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: > > > > > > > > What I do to try and ensure an accurate measurement of where I > > placed a > > > cache, and hasn't failed on me yet: > > > > > > Stand at the cache for a couple of minutes allowing the GPS unit to > > > "settle > > > down". Mark a waypoint. > > > Walk away from the cache anywhere from 20ft - 60ft (as far as the > > > vegetation > > > will allow) and walk back to the cache. Wait a moment. Mark a > > > waypoint. I > > > repeat this step three or four times walking away and coming back > > from > > > different directions. > > > I then look at all the waypoints I marked and pick a middle one or > > the > > > consensus (basically a quick mental averaging). > > > > > > A cache that has been messed with could be anyone - kids, someone > > with > > > a > > > gps, dog, etc. IMO if you leave a box with stuff in it lying > around, > > > expect > > > it to be messed with at some point. Just rehide it in a better > > > location. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > > SquishyGecko > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:36 AM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing > Cache > > > > > > > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > > > Adventure > > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty > feet > > > off > > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > > > evening I > > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed > > > that the > > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. > > Using > > > a > > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this > would > > > be > > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > > > > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > > > everything > > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate > stealing > > > from > > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone > > > have any > > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, > temporarily > > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 23:24:05 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:24:05 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache In-Reply-To: <002101c42989$14a17340$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: I would think it is radius... Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:17 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache I wonder is >3 Meter diameter or radius or area??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "EvilFISH" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > SA was done away with a nice thing Pres Clinton did... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon L Flatt" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:58 PM > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > 100 meters: Accuracy of the original GPS system, which was subject to > > accuracy degradation under the government-imposed Selective Availability > > (SA) program. > > 15 meters: Typical GPS position accuracy without SA. > > 3-5 meters: Typical differential GPS (DGPS) position accuracy. > > < 3 meters: Typical WAAS position accuracy. > > > > Gordon L. Flatt > > AV Specialist > > Smith Junior High > > glflatt@mpsaz.org > > 480-472-4673 > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > EvilFISH > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:35 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing > > Cache > > > > > > first off aside from what the others do with the manual Garmin averaging, > I > > prefer to let my little Magellan sit for atleast a minute then let the > units > > self averaging do its thing for another minute, this has been the norm for > > our over 25 caches I have only had to adjust the coords once, but that was > > due to interference.... > > besides if the coords took you to zero everytime what fun would the > 04/04/04 > > and Graldrichs caches be? > > > > I agree with the 15 foot radius, that is pretty much the GPS norm. > > > > as the Event cache and the ZERO experiment goes even the same units will > be > > off a little.. > > > > > > as far as cache plundering goes... > > > > someone was curious to what was going on as they spotted a cacher caching. > > this someone was greedy > > > > someone found it by mistake and was greedy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SquishyGecko" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:35 AM > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > > Adventure > > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet > off > > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > evening > > I > > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed that > > the > > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using a > > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would be > > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > > > > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > everything > > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing > from > > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone have > > any > > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 23:53:34 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache References: Message-ID: <000701c4298e$30954400$901a0244@ph.cox.net> gotta love the math involved here. 3 meters is just near enough about 15 feet... -- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Ayre" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:24 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > I would think it is radius... > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > EvilFISH > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:17 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing > Cache > > > I wonder is >3 Meter diameter or radius or area??? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EvilFISH" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > SA was done away with a nice thing Pres Clinton did... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gordon L Flatt" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:58 PM > > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > > > > 100 meters: Accuracy of the original GPS system, which was subject to > > > accuracy degradation under the government-imposed Selective Availability > > > (SA) program. > > > 15 meters: Typical GPS position accuracy without SA. > > > 3-5 meters: Typical differential GPS (DGPS) position accuracy. > > > < 3 meters: Typical WAAS position accuracy. > > > > > > Gordon L. Flatt > > > AV Specialist > > > Smith Junior High > > > glflatt@mpsaz.org > > > 480-472-4673 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > > EvilFISH > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:35 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing > > > Cache > > > > > > > > > first off aside from what the others do with the manual Garmin > averaging, > > I > > > prefer to let my little Magellan sit for atleast a minute then let the > > units > > > self averaging do its thing for another minute, this has been the norm > for > > > our over 25 caches I have only had to adjust the coords once, but that > was > > > due to interference.... > > > besides if the coords took you to zero everytime what fun would the > > 04/04/04 > > > and Graldrichs caches be? > > > > > > I agree with the 15 foot radius, that is pretty much the GPS norm. > > > > > > as the Event cache and the ZERO experiment goes even the same units will > > be > > > off a little.. > > > > > > > > > as far as cache plundering goes... > > > > > > someone was curious to what was going on as they spotted a cacher > caching. > > > this someone was greedy > > > > > > someone found it by mistake and was greedy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "SquishyGecko" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:35 AM > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > > > > > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > > > Adventure > > > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet > > off > > > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > > evening > > > I > > > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed > that > > > the > > > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using > a > > > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would > be > > > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > > > > > > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > > everything > > > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing > > from > > > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone > have > > > any > > > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > > > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 23 23:53:53 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:53 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geoca] References: <779iDwXXh5440S06.1082762613@cmsweb06.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <000f01c4298e$3b7c1920$901a0244@ph.cox.net> not here on this end? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Heitowit" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geoca] > GC site is up now. > > "RAND HARDIN" wrote: > > > Trisha, > > > > The GC site is probably busy again. Try again later. I read in the GC > forums that starting May 1st, "GC.com" will be adding another server to > relieve the load. > > > > Rand > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Trisha > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:31 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW > can't find geocaching.com!!! > > > > Well, I will proudly log a FTNF (First To Not Find) on graldrich's > > cache if I could bring up the geocaching site....what's the deal???? > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (MST), "Trisha" wrote: > > > > > > > > I wanted to chime in and say "DITTO" to Andy's response. > > > > > > When placing a cache, I do exactly that kind of physical averaging > > > with the GPS (let it settle, move off, come back and settle, etc) > > > followed by a quick mental averaging of the readings. I try to take 6 > > > readings from at least 4 different directions, write them down, and > > > then average the readings approximately. So far, using that method, > > > the readings of the caches I have hidden have been fairly accurate. > > > (With one exception....anyone remember my cache up at Goldwater Lake > > > in Prescott? "All That Glitters....". Those coords were at least 60 > > > feet off due to the messy satellite reception from the trees, but > > > luckily it was pretty obvious where the cache was hidden since the > > > actual coords left you standing in the middle of a blank area in the > > > forest with a pile of branches and trimmings 60 feet away. I moved it > > > when I realized that was a slash pile for burning....) > > > > > > I just had a FIRST "FIRST TO NOT FIND" (FTNF) that I am quite proud > > > of....graldrich's "Cordes Junction" cache. Good luck finding that > > > sucker!!! > > > > > > Trisha "Lightning" > > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:37 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > What I do to try and ensure an accurate measurement of where I > > > placed a > > > > cache, and hasn't failed on me yet: > > > > > > > > Stand at the cache for a couple of minutes allowing the GPS unit to > > > > "settle > > > > down". Mark a waypoint. > > > > Walk away from the cache anywhere from 20ft - 60ft (as far as the > > > > vegetation > > > > will allow) and walk back to the cache. Wait a moment. Mark a > > > > waypoint. I > > > > repeat this step three or four times walking away and coming back > > > from > > > > different directions. > > > > I then look at all the waypoints I marked and pick a middle one or > > > the > > > > consensus (basically a quick mental averaging). > > > > > > > > A cache that has been messed with could be anyone - kids, someone > > > with > > > > a > > > > gps, dog, etc. IMO if you leave a box with stuff in it lying > > around, > > > > expect > > > > it to be messed with at some point. Just rehide it in a better > > > > location. > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > > > SquishyGecko > > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:36 AM > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing > > Cache > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > > > > Adventure > > > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty > > feet > > > > off > > > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > > > > evening I > > > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed > > > > that the > > > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. > > > Using > > > > a > > > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this > > would > > > > be > > > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > > > > > > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > > > > everything > > > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate > > stealing > > > > from > > > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone > > > > have any > > > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, > > temporarily > > > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 24 00:00:01 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:00:01 -0700 Subject: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geoca] References: <779iDwXXh5440S06.1082762613@cmsweb06.cms.usa.net> <000f01c4298e$3b7c1920$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <000701c4298f$1783eb00$901a0244@ph.cox.net> oh wait never mind ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regan Smith" To: Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW can't find geoca] > not here on this end? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Heitowit" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and > NOW can't find geoca] > > > > GC site is up now. > > > > "RAND HARDIN" wrote: > > > > > Trisha, > > > > > > The GC site is probably busy again. Try again later. I read in the GC > > forums that starting May 1st, "GC.com" will be adding another server to > > relieve the load. > > > > > > Rand > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Trisha > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:31 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Can't find graldrich's caches and NOW > > can't find geocaching.com!!! > > > > > > Well, I will proudly log a FTNF (First To Not Find) on graldrich's > > > cache if I could bring up the geocaching site....what's the deal???? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:12:07 -0700 (MST), "Trisha" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to chime in and say "DITTO" to Andy's response. > > > > > > > > When placing a cache, I do exactly that kind of physical averaging > > > > with the GPS (let it settle, move off, come back and settle, etc) > > > > followed by a quick mental averaging of the readings. I try to take 6 > > > > readings from at least 4 different directions, write them down, and > > > > then average the readings approximately. So far, using that method, > > > > the readings of the caches I have hidden have been fairly accurate. > > > > (With one exception....anyone remember my cache up at Goldwater Lake > > > > in Prescott? "All That Glitters....". Those coords were at least 60 > > > > feet off due to the messy satellite reception from the trees, but > > > > luckily it was pretty obvious where the cache was hidden since the > > > > actual coords left you standing in the middle of a blank area in the > > > > forest with a pile of branches and trimmings 60 feet away. I moved it > > > > when I realized that was a slash pile for burning....) > > > > > > > > I just had a FIRST "FIRST TO NOT FIND" (FTNF) that I am quite proud > > > > of....graldrich's "Cordes Junction" cache. Good luck finding that > > > > sucker!!! > > > > > > > > Trisha "Lightning" > > > > Prescott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 08:45:37 -0700, "Andrew Ayre" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I do to try and ensure an accurate measurement of where I > > > > placed a > > > > > cache, and hasn't failed on me yet: > > > > > > > > > > Stand at the cache for a couple of minutes allowing the GPS unit to > > > > > "settle > > > > > down". Mark a waypoint. > > > > > Walk away from the cache anywhere from 20ft - 60ft (as far as the > > > > > vegetation > > > > > will allow) and walk back to the cache. Wait a moment. Mark a > > > > > waypoint. I > > > > > repeat this step three or four times walking away and coming back > > > > from > > > > > different directions. > > > > > I then look at all the waypoints I marked and pick a middle one or > > > > the > > > > > consensus (basically a quick mental averaging). > > > > > > > > > > A cache that has been messed with could be anyone - kids, someone > > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > gps, dog, etc. IMO if you leave a box with stuff in it lying > > > around, > > > > > expect > > > > > it to be messed with at some point. Just rehide it in a better > > > > > location. > > > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > SquishyGecko > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:36 AM > > > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing > > > Cache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > > > > > Adventure > > > > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty > > > feet > > > > > off > > > > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > > > > > evening I > > > > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed > > > > > that the > > > > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. > > > > Using > > > > > a > > > > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > > > > > > > > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > > > > > everything > > > > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate > > > stealing > > > > > from > > > > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone > > > > > have any > > > > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, > > > temporarily > > > > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 24 00:27:56 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Paul Ross) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:27:56 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache In-Reply-To: <002101c42989$14a17340$901a0244@ph.cox.net> References: <001b01c42988$28c05180$901a0244@ph.cox.net> <002101c42989$14a17340$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040423172643.00b16be8@pop.cableaz.com> Regan It is the radius. Hawk Team RedHawk At 04:17 PM 4/23/2004, you wrote: >I wonder is >3 Meter diameter or radius or area??? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "EvilFISH" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 4:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > SA was done away with a nice thing Pres Clinton did... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gordon L Flatt" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:58 PM > > Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > > > > 100 meters: Accuracy of the original GPS system, which was subject to > > > accuracy degradation under the government-imposed Selective Availability > > > (SA) program. > > > 15 meters: Typical GPS position accuracy without SA. > > > 3-5 meters: Typical differential GPS (DGPS) position accuracy. > > > < 3 meters: Typical WAAS position accuracy. > > > > > > Gordon L. Flatt > > > AV Specialist > > > Smith Junior High > > > glflatt@mpsaz.org > > > 480-472-4673 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of > > > EvilFISH > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 3:35 PM > > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing > > > Cache > > > > > > > > > first off aside from what the others do with the manual Garmin >averaging, > > I > > > prefer to let my little Magellan sit for atleast a minute then let the > > units > > > self averaging do its thing for another minute, this has been the norm >for > > > our over 25 caches I have only had to adjust the coords once, but that >was > > > due to interference.... > > > besides if the coords took you to zero everytime what fun would the > > 04/04/04 > > > and Graldrichs caches be? > > > > > > I agree with the 15 foot radius, that is pretty much the GPS norm. > > > > > > as the Event cache and the ZERO experiment goes even the same units will > > be > > > off a little.. > > > > > > > > > as far as cache plundering goes... > > > > > > someone was curious to what was going on as they spotted a cacher >caching. > > > this someone was greedy > > > > > > someone found it by mistake and was greedy.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "SquishyGecko" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 8:35 AM > > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache > > > > > > > > > > Recently Brian from Team A.I. posted a log entry to Gecko's Urban > > > Adventure > > > > in which he wrote that the coordinates were approximately thirty feet > > off > > > > from what I had posted on the listing. Along with this, yesterday > > evening > > > I > > > > went venturing around checking some of my other caches, and noticed >that > > > the > > > > coordinates, while close on some, where not so close on others. Using >a > > > > Magellan Meridian Gold now, is there any reason at all why this would >be > > > > happening, and how do I make it stop happening? > > > > > > > > Also, I located one of my caches with the top hanging open and > > everything > > > > removed yesterday. I recall some discussion about a pirate stealing > > from > > > > caches, however I thought that individual had been stopped. Anyone >have > > > any > > > > thoughts on this? For the moment I've removed the cache, temporarily > > > > disabled it, and may put it back later. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > > http://www.azgeocaching.com > >____________________________________________________________ >Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com >To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: >http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > >Arizona's Geocaching Resource >http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 24 00:17:27 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:17:27 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache Message-ID: >From: "Regan Smith" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Help! Inaccurate Coordinates & Missing Cache >Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:53:34 -0700 > >gotta love the math involved here. > >3 meters is just near enough about 15 feet... 3 meters is more like 9 feet... 9.84 feet to be more precise. Scott Team RTW _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 24 08:28:46 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:28:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hey Panda Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040424012818.01b88a60@mail.myblueheaven.com> Pat, Please contact me off list. I need to ask you something, and I seem to have lost your email address. Scott From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 24 09:10:18 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:10:18 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hey Panda References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040424012818.01b88a60@mail.myblueheaven.com> Message-ID: <000701c429db$f77f2ca0$901a0244@ph.cox.net> thewizard@w3az.net I think ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Wood" To: Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:28 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hey Panda > Pat, > > Please contact me off list. I need to ask you something, and I seem to > have lost your email address. > > Scott > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sat Apr 24 23:43:40 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:43:40 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center Message-ID: <408AFBAC.90204@cableone.net> I need a little help from some caching experts out there. I want to find the center of 3 sets of coordinates and can not see the forest for the trees here. It should be easy I think. For instance: Point 1 is N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking for the coordinates at the dead center of these 3 points. Also, does anyone remember if there is a suggestion as to how far apart caches need to be?? Thank you in advance, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 00:21:30 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Joe Brekke) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest Message-ID: <005d01c42a5b$42ff88d0$5e27a8c0@Owner> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C42A20.95233890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the = following caches: Botachelli GCHHFW = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4b= e3-8fcd-0161c0f76669 Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48= ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt. TeamBlunder ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C42A20.95233890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Those who are interested may want to = check out our=20 logs for the following caches:

Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669

Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c

Not something you really want to = experience on a=20 cache hunt.

TeamBlunder
------=_NextPart_000_005A_01C42A20.95233890-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 00:58:22 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:58:22 -0500 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <408AFBAC.90204@cableone.net> Message-ID: <000201c42a60$69358a40$6500a8c0@solaris> Not sure how accurate, but using simple triangulation, I got N34 36.412 W112 28.532. Good luck Bear & Ting -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Robert & Linda Smith Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:44 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center I need a little help from some caching experts out there. I want to find the center of 3 sets of coordinates and can not see the forest for the trees here. It should be easy I think. For instance: Point 1 is N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking for the coordinates at the dead center of these 3 points. Also, does anyone remember if there is a suggestion as to how far apart caches need to be?? Thank you in advance, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 02:19:55 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (jr davis) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest References: <005d01c42a5b$42ff88d0$5e27a8c0@Owner> Message-ID: <001001c42a6b$ccf08ac0$0100a8c0@yourm5d4u9r2uv> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C42A31.203BCA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that mess around 5pm. fortunately not = directly but we were there and it caused us a rerouting of the way out. = Will post a note on both caches when I the Geo site gets back up. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brekke=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of = Geocacher - We Are The Latest Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the = following caches: Botachelli GCHHFW = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4b= e3-8fcd-0161c0f76669 Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48= ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt. TeamBlunder ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C42A31.203BCA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that = mess around=20 5pm. fortunately not directly but we were there and it caused us a = rerouting of=20 the way out. Will post a note on both caches when I the Geo site = gets back=20 up.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Brekke
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 = 5:21=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's = Happening=20 to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest

Those who are interested may want to = check out=20 our logs for the following caches:

Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669

Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c

Not something you really want to = experience on a=20 cache hunt.

TeamBlunder
------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C42A31.203BCA90-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 02:50:55 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest In-Reply-To: <001001c42a6b$ccf08ac0$0100a8c0@yourm5d4u9r2uv> Message-ID: <20040425025055.94258.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1084534294-1082861455=:94045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And the log entry for Boticelli is? The entry appears to have been deleted by cache owners. Sorry for the misfortune. I hope your family is alright after seeing such a terrible thing. jr davis wrote:Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that mess around 5pm. fortunately not directly but we were there and it caused us a rerouting of the way out. Will post a note on both caches when I the Geo site gets back up. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Brekke To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the following caches: Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669 Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt. TeamBlunder --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� --0-1084534294-1082861455=:94045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
And the log entry for Boticelli is? The entry appears to have been deleted by cache owners. Sorry for the misfortune. I hope your family is alright after seeing such a terrible thing.

jr davis <jrnc@mchsi.com> wrote:

Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that mess around 5pm. fortunately not directly but we were there and it caused us a rerouting of the way out. Will post a note on both caches when I the Geo site gets back up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Brekke

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:21 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest

Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the following caches:

Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669

Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c

Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt.

TeamBlunder

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Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25� --0-1084534294-1082861455=:94045-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 02:55:29 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:55:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest References: <005d01c42a5b$42ff88d0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <001001c42a6b$ccf08ac0$0100a8c0@yourm5d4u9r2uv> Message-ID: <00b501c42a70$c5e8ab40$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C42A36.18517A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Too bad the discovery had to spoil your caching day. When I made my = discovery back in December, I found one more cache after being allowed = to leave, but just didn't enjoy it and didn't even visit the cache on = Humboldt Mountain that I drove right past. The day just lots its 'fun'. = But this is a real possibility with cachers and the discovery of bodies = will be more and more frequent. =20 I worry about those who cache in the southern area of the state during = the summer, because of the significant likelihood of finding illegals = who succumbed the environment on their way into the US. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jr davis=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of = Geocacher - We Are The Latest Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that mess around 5pm. fortunately not = directly but we were there and it caused us a rerouting of the way out. = Will post a note on both caches when I the Geo site gets back up. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brekke=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of = Geocacher - We Are The Latest Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the = following caches: Botachelli GCHHFW = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4b= e3-8fcd-0161c0f76669 Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48= ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt. TeamBlunder ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C42A36.18517A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Too bad the discovery had to spoil your = caching=20 day. When I made my discovery back in December, I found one more = cache=20 after being allowed to leave, but just didn't enjoy it and didn't even = visit the=20 cache on Humboldt Mountain that I drove right past. The day just = lots its=20 'fun'. But this is a real possibility with cachers and the = discovery of=20 bodies will be more and more frequent.

I worry about those who cache in the = southern area=20 of the state during the summer, because of the significant likelihood of = finding=20 illegals who succumbed the environment on their way into the = US.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 jr davis =
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 = 7:19=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = It's=20 Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest

Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that = mess around=20 5pm. fortunately not directly but we were there and it caused us a = rerouting=20 of the way out. Will post a note on both caches when I the Geo = site gets=20 back up.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe=20 Brekke
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, April 24, = 2004 5:21=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's = Happening=20 to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest

Those who are interested may want = to check out=20 our logs for the following caches:

Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669

Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c

Not something you really want to = experience on=20 a cache hunt.

TeamBlunder
= ------=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C42A36.18517A50-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 03:11:42 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (PATRICK FINLEY) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:11:42 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are Th Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C42A38.5BDF1BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Team Blunder.........We're sorry to hear about your unfortunate discovery= today. Having been a volunteer firefighter, I know it's always a shock t= o see someone who has died from so much trauma. I hope your family will b= e alright after this. I keep wondering if this will happen to us someday,= while out there caching. Anyway, Take care.........Flatiron & Mrs. Wrang= ler ----- Original Message ----- From: Gale Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:56 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geoca= cher - We Are The Latest And the log entry for Boticelli is? The entry appears to have been delete= d by cache owners. Sorry for the misfortune. I hope your family is alrigh= t after seeing such a terrible thing. jr davis wrote: =20 Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that mess around 5pm. fortunately not di= rectly but we were there and it caused us a rerouting of the way out. Wil= l post a note on both caches when I the Geo site gets back up. ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: Joe Brekke =20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =20 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher= - We Are The Latest Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the following= caches: Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D= 5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669 Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_= details.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt. TeamBlunder Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25" ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C42A38.5BDF1BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Team Blunder..= ......We're sorry to hear about your unfortunate discovery today. Having= been a volunteer firefighter, I know it's always a shock to see someone = who has died from so much trauma. I hope your family will be alright afte= r this. I keep wondering if this will happen to us someday, while out the= re caching. Anyway, Take care.........Flatiron & Mrs. Wrangler
=

----- Original Message -----
From: Gale
Sent: Saturday, Apri= l 24, 2004 7:56 PM

To: lists= erv@azgeocaching.com

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - = We Are The Latest

And the log entry for Boti= celli is? The entry appears to have been deleted by cache owners. Sorry f= or the misfortune. I hope your family is alright after seeing such a terr= ible thing.

jr davis <jrnc@mchsi.com> wrote: =

Well Tea= m AJ.JR got caught up in that mess around 5pm. fortunately not directly b= ut we were there and it caused us a rerouting of the way out. Will post a= note on both caches when I the Geo site gets back up.
=

----- Original Message -----

From: <= A title=3Djoenveng@cableaz.com href=3D"mailto:joenveng@cableaz.com">Joe B= rekke

To: listser= v@azgeocaching.com

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:21 PM

= Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Ge= ocacher - We Are The Latest

Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the= following caches:

&= nbsp;

Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?= guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669

Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q <= A href=3D"http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D065fac= 05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c">http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_deta= ils.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c

Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt.

TeamBlunder

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------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C42A38.5BDF1BE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 03:47:54 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:47:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center Message-ID: <20040424204755.29916.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> I graphed the points and calculated coords basically the same as Jim's. Hey Bob, by the way....I didn't know which VIP was YOU, on the fire evac training. If you were there in the morning, either day, that was me on the radio. (Friday morning we had cake, as Lt Bacon and the group got me a cake for my birthday!) IF you had a guy on the radio, that wasn't me! IF you were there when I was, I wish I had remembered to find you and say "Hi!". Which MC unit/sector were you? Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:58:22 -0500, "Jim" wrote: > > Not sure how accurate, but using simple triangulation, I got N34 > 36.412 W112 > 28.532. > > Good luck > > Bear & Ting > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > Robert & > Linda Smith > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:44 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center > > I need a little help from some caching experts out there. I want to > find the center of 3 sets of coordinates and can not see the forest > for > the trees here. It should be easy I think. For instance: Point 1 is > N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is > N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking for the coordinates at the dead > center of these 3 points. > > Also, does anyone remember if there is a suggestion as to how far > apart > caches need to be?? > > Thank you in advance, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 03:49:58 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 20:49:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center Message-ID: <20040424204958.13633.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Oh PS...the approvers usually follow a 0.10 mile rule, but you may be able to explain something closer if the topography is strange or something.... Trisha On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:58:22 -0500, "Jim" wrote: > > Not sure how accurate, but using simple triangulation, I got N34 > 36.412 W112 > 28.532. > > Good luck > > Bear & Ting > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of > Robert & > Linda Smith > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:44 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center > > I need a little help from some caching experts out there. I want to > find the center of 3 sets of coordinates and can not see the forest > for > the trees here. It should be easy I think. For instance: Point 1 is > N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is > N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking for the coordinates at the dead > center of these 3 points. > > Also, does anyone remember if there is a suggestion as to how far > apart > caches need to be?? > > Thank you in advance, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 04:19:28 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill A) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:19:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest References: <20040425025055.94258.qmail@web14808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901c42a7c$808e57a0$1b02a8c0@wiaz15xxwja01> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C42A41.D3EAAE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would not want anyone to come across anything like that. I have another concern and that is stumbling across a hidden marijuana = field. They may either be booby trapped or guarded by someone who will = shoot at you. I know in the past several fields have been found north = of Phoenix. Bill ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gale=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of = Geocacher - We Are The Latest And the log entry for Boticelli is? The entry appears to have been = deleted by cache owners. Sorry for the misfortune. I hope your family is = alright after seeing such a terrible thing. jr davis wrote:=20 Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that mess around 5pm. fortunately = not directly but we were there and it caused us a rerouting of the way = out. Will post a note on both caches when I the Geo site gets back up. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Brekke=20 To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:21 PM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of = Geocacher - We Are The Latest Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the = following caches: Botachelli GCHHFW = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4b= e3-8fcd-0161c0f76669 Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q = http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48= ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt. TeamBlunder -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C42A41.D3EAAE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would not want anyone to come across = anything=20 like that.

I have another concern and that is = stumbling across=20 a hidden marijuana field. They may either be booby trapped or = guarded by=20 someone who will shoot at you. I know in the past several fields = have been=20 found north of Phoenix.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Gale
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com =

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 = 7:50=20 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = It's=20 Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest

And the log entry for Boticelli is? The entry appears to have = been=20 deleted by cache owners. Sorry for the misfortune. I hope your family = is=20 alright after seeing such a terrible thing.

jr davis = <jrnc@mchsi.com> wrote:=20

Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in = that mess=20 around 5pm. fortunately not directly but we were there and it caused = us a=20 rerouting of the way out. Will post a note on both caches when = I the=20 Geo site gets back up.

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Joe=20 Brekke

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20

Sent: Saturday, April 24, = 2004 5:21=20 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = It's=20 Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The = Latest

Those who are interested may want = to check=20 out our logs for the following caches:

Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669

Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache = GCHA0Q http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detail= s.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c

Not something you really want to = experience=20 on a cache hunt.

TeamBlunder

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Yahoo! Photos: High-quality=20 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C42A41.D3EAAE70-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 07:41:04 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 3:41:04 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest Message-ID: <20040425074105.YAEP19873.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=____1082878864220_ldm,B,2ZnD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup. Booby traps are certainly a consideration, which are more than like= ly there to either diminish the need for armed coverage, or to assist in = the handling of people trying to jack their crop. Personally, if I were = to locate a crop, it would be waypointed and I'd hightail it to the neare= st point of cellphone coverage and call it in, then leave the area just i= n case one of those guards shows up. I know my .40-cal probably wouldn't= fare well against assault weapons. :) Brian Team A.I. > = > From: "Bill A" > Date: 2004/04/25 Sun AM 12:19:28 EDT > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geo= cacher - We Are The Latest > = > I would not want anyone to come across anything like that. > I have another concern and that is stumbling across a hidden marijuana = field. They may either be booby trapped or guarded by someone who will s= hoot at you. I know in the past several fields have been found north of = Phoenix. > = > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: Gale = > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com = > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of G= eocacher - We Are The Latest > = > = > And the log entry for Boticelli is? The entry appears to have been de= leted by cache owners. Sorry for the misfortune. I hope your family is al= right after seeing such a terrible thing. > = > jr davis wrote: = > Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that mess around 5pm. fortunately = not directly but we were there and it caused us a rerouting of the way ou= t. Will post a note on both caches when I the Geo site gets back up. > ----- Original Message ----- = > From: Joe Brekke = > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com = > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:21 PM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of G= eocacher - We Are The Latest > = > = > Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the f= ollowing caches: > = > Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.as= px?guid=3D5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669 > = > Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q http://www.geocaching.com/see= k/cache_details.aspx?guid=3D065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c > = > Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt. > = > TeamBlunder > = > = > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25=A2 > = Brian Team A.I. ------=____1082878864220_ldm,B,2ZnD Content-Type: text/html; name="reply" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="reply"
I would not want anyone to come across anything like that.

I have another concern and that is stumbling across a hidden marijuana field. They may either be booby trapped or guarded by someone who will shoot at you. I know in the past several fields have been found north of Phoenix.

Bill

----- Original Message -----

From: Gale

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:50 PM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest

And the log entry for Boticelli is? The entry appears to have been deleted by cache owners. Sorry for the misfortune. I hope your family is alright after seeing such a terrible thing.

jr davis <jrnc@mchsi.com> wrote:

Well Team AJ.JR got caught up in that mess around 5pm. fortunately not directly but we were there and it caused us a rerouting of the way out. Will post a note on both caches when I the Geo site gets back up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Brekke

To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 5:21 PM

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest

Those who are interested may want to check out our logs for the following caches:

Botachelli GCHHFW http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5e9b824d-51c0-4be3-8fcd-0161c0f76669

Cache-a Grande Holiday Cache GCHA0Q http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=065fac05-89f0-48ad-bd5c-a2791b22cb8c

Not something you really want to experience on a cache hunt.

TeamBlunder

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------=____1082878864220_ldm,B,2ZnD-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 16:13:19 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:13:19 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher - We Are The Latest In-Reply-To: <00b501c42a70$c5e8ab40$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> References: <005d01c42a5b$42ff88d0$5e27a8c0@Owner> <001001c42a6b$ccf08ac0$0100a8c0@yourm5d4u9r2uv> <00b501c42a70$c5e8ab40$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> Message-ID: <408BE39F.6070506@Snaptek.com> Brian - Team A.I. wrote: > I worry about those who cache in the southern area of the state during > the summer, because of the significant likelihood of finding illegals > who succumbed the environment on their way into the US. From the stories that my cousin tells me, who is in the border patrol. I wouldn't want to find anyone alive either. Some of the illegals would just as soon kill you than go back to Mexico. Not to mention all the drug smugglers and other possible low lifes coming across the border. ...and just to be clear, I don't think everyone coming across the border is a low life. The bulk of them aren't.. but it just takes running into the wrong one. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 16:34:11 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 09:34:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growing Number of Geocach er- We Are The Latest Message-ID: We were out scouting for Javelina in January, and we ran into a Pinal County Sheriff. He says he finds about one every couple of weeks. Some are bodies and others are just bones. He said if we find one take the coordinates and call it in. We actually had found an abandoned stolen vehicle. Personally I prefer carry a weapon when I am out in the Wilderness just in case. Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: Brian Cluff [mailto:brian@snaptek.com] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 9:13 AM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] It's Happening to a Growning Number of Geocacher- We Are The Latest Brian - Team A.I. wrote: > I worry about those who cache in the southern area of the state during > the summer, because of the significant likelihood of finding illegals > who succumbed the environment on their way into the US. From the stories that my cousin tells me, who is in the border patrol. I wouldn't want to find anyone alive either. Some of the illegals would just as soon kill you than go back to Mexico. Not to mention all the drug smugglers and other possible low lifes coming across the border. ...and just to be clear, I don't think everyone coming across the border is a low life. The bulk of them aren't.. but it just takes running into the wrong one. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 17:29:29 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:29:29 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <408AFBAC.90204@cableone.net> References: <408AFBAC.90204@cableone.net> Message-ID: <408BF579.1080901@Snaptek.com> Robert & Linda Smith wrote: > For instance: Point 1 is N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 > 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking > for the coordinates at the dead center of these 3 points. Hmmm, I guess the first thing you would want to do is decided "what is the center of a triangle... there is more than one way to calculate it, and it moved depending on how you do it. http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/EMT668/EMT668.Student.Folders/Meredith/Meredith/Assignment.4/Ctrs.Tri.html Then after you have looked over that page, you will have to decide just how accurate you would like your center to be. If you are talking about points that are many miles apart, you will have to take into account the curvature of the earth, and believe me... over just a few miles you can get a HUGE error if you don't take it into account. All I can say is, good luck... the formula to do it right is going to probably fill the better part of a sheet of paper. It would definitely make for a puzzle cache that almost nobody would find. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 17:43:38 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 10:43:38 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] hey Brian the Caching god Message-ID: <002101c42aec$d7baab80$901a0244@ph.cox.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C42AB2.2B205120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How ya doing??? OK now that all the niceties are out of the way, what is the current = progress of the Arizona Site? as it relates to the identification of the = new caches. Then I have been wanting to use the site chat room but still have been = using Xchat as on the AZ site I am unable to load the EIRC as it is not = found? I have reloaded the Java software twice... Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C42AB2.2B205120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C42AB2.2B205120-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 22:32:12 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jason Poulter) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:32:12 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <408AFBAC.90204@cableone.net> References: <408AFBAC.90204@cableone.net> Message-ID: <408C3C6C.3010905@snaptek.com> i thought about making a cache where you have to triangulate the center... never got around to it... i guess someone is going to beat me to it.... Jason Robert & Linda Smith wrote: > I need a little help from some caching experts out there. I want to > find the center of 3 sets of coordinates and can not see the forest for > the trees here. It should be easy I think. For instance: Point 1 is > N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is > N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking for the coordinates at the dead > center of these 3 points. > > Also, does anyone remember if there is a suggestion as to how far apart > caches need to be?? > > Thank you in advance, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 22:40:58 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:40:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <000201c42a60$69358a40$6500a8c0@solaris> References: <000201c42a60$69358a40$6500a8c0@solaris> Message-ID: <408C3E7A.5070404@cableone.net> Thanks Jim, I will test it next week. Bob Smith Jim wrote: >Not sure how accurate, but using simple triangulation, I got N34 36.412 W112 >28.532. > >Good luck > >Bear & Ting > >-----Original Message----- >From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com >[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Robert & >Linda Smith >Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:44 PM >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center > >I need a little help from some caching experts out there. I want to >find the center of 3 sets of coordinates and can not see the forest for >the trees here. It should be easy I think. For instance: Point 1 is >N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is >N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking for the coordinates at the dead >center of these 3 points. > >Also, does anyone remember if there is a suggestion as to how far apart >caches need to be?? > >Thank you in advance, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite > > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 23:00:01 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:00:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <20040424204755.29916.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20040424204755.29916.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <408C42F1.3060305@cableone.net> Yes, I was there at 10:00A.M. and worked MC4. I was radio in the unit from Williamson Valley. I saw you, if you were wearing the "Comm" badge in the door of the command post. Belated Happy Birthday. I forgot all about you tie to the YCJP. Have not seen that many different agencies in one place at the same time. Bob Smith Trisha wrote: >I graphed the points and calculated coords basically the same as Jim's. > >Hey Bob, by the way....I didn't know which VIP was YOU, on the fire >evac training. If you were there in the morning, either day, that was >me on the radio. (Friday morning we had cake, as Lt Bacon and the >group got me a cake for my birthday!) IF you had a guy on the radio, >that wasn't me! > >IF you were there when I was, I wish I had remembered to find you and >say "Hi!". Which MC unit/sector were you? > >Trisha "Lightning" >Prescott > > > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Sun Apr 25 23:19:58 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:19:58 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <408BF579.1080901@Snaptek.com> References: <408AFBAC.90204@cableone.net> <408BF579.1080901@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <408C479E.8000004@cableone.net> Thanks Brian, The page you listed is a very interesting read. I really enjoyed it (didn't understand all of it) but enjoyed the read. I don't need to be this close and accurate. A few feet this way or that is fine. I just wanted to be close. Thanks to everyone who sent me suggestions. Bob Smith, 1/2 of Team Petite Elite Brian Cluff wrote: > Robert & Linda Smith wrote: > >> For instance: Point 1 is N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 >> 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking >> for the coordinates at the dead center of these 3 points. > > > Hmmm, I guess the first thing you would want to do is decided "what is > the center of a triangle... there is more than one way to calculate > it, and it moved depending on how you do it. > > http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/EMT668/EMT668.Student.Folders/Meredith/Meredith/Assignment.4/Ctrs.Tri.html > > > Then after you have looked over that page, you will have to decide > just how accurate you would like your center to be. > If you are talking about points that are many miles apart, you will > have to take into account the curvature of the earth, and believe > me... over just a few miles you can get a HUGE error if you don't take > it into account. > > All I can say is, good luck... the formula to do it right is going to > probably fill the better part of a sheet of paper. It would > definitely make for a puzzle cache that almost nobody would find. > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 26 00:32:28 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (ShadowAce) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 17:32:28 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <408C3C6C.3010905@snaptek.com> Message-ID: It has been done :) Hidden: 2/18/2003 http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCD7AE and http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCGX88 and http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GC4EDB Just to see a few :) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Jason Poulter Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:32 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center i thought about making a cache where you have to triangulate the center... never got around to it... i guess someone is going to beat me to it.... Jason Robert & Linda Smith wrote: > I need a little help from some caching experts out there. I want to > find the center of 3 sets of coordinates and can not see the forest for > the trees here. It should be easy I think. For instance: Point 1 is > N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is > N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking for the coordinates at the dead > center of these 3 points. > > Also, does anyone remember if there is a suggestion as to how far apart > caches need to be?? > > Thank you in advance, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 26 01:19:59 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:19:59 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408C63BF.7010005@cableone.net> Thanks ShadowAce, These are very interesting hides. I did not want to do anything so hard, my brain is not that good. I was only wanting to get close. I might have a go at the AZ cache if my legs will hold up. Thanks again, Bob Smith, Petite Elite ShadowAce wrote: >It has been done :) >Hidden: 2/18/2003 > >http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCD7AE >and >http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GCGX88 >and >http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?wp=GC4EDB > > > Just to see a few :) > >i thought about making a cache where you have to triangulate the >center... never got around to it... i guess someone is going to beat me >to it.... > >Jason > >Robert & Linda Smith wrote: > > >>I need a little help from some caching experts out there. I want to >>find the center of 3 sets of coordinates and can not see the forest for >>the trees here. It should be easy I think. For instance: Point 1 is >>N34 36.346 W112 29.115, Point 2 is N34 36.652 W112 27.942, Point 3 is >>N34 36.224 W112 28.532 I am looking for the coordinates at the dead >>center of these 3 points. >> >>Also, does anyone remember if there is a suggestion as to how far apart >>caches need to be?? >> >>Thank you in advance, Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite >> >> >> From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 26 01:26:08 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:26:08 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <408C479E.8000004@cableone.net> References: <408AFBAC.90204@cableone.net> <408BF579.1080901@Snaptek.com> <408C479E.8000004@cableone.net> Message-ID: <408C6530.1000803@Snaptek.com> Robert & Linda Smith wrote: > Thanks Brian, > The page you listed is a very interesting read. I really enjoyed it > (didn't understand all of it) but enjoyed the read. I don't need to be > this close and accurate. A few feet this way or that is fine. I just > wanted to be close. Hopefully you are talking about 3 points that are fairly close together. The error actually gets large rather quickly. a couple points that are half the height or width of arizona apart can have an error of 1/4 mile if you don't calculate it correctly. Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 26 01:33:20 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:33:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center Message-ID: <20040425183320.24212.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hey, cool! Were you there on Friday and got birthday cake? Lt. Bacon and all the deputies, etc. got a cake for me. It was really neat for them to do that. :-) Yup, I was wearing the "Comm Chief" badge by default! Our Squad Lt wasn't there (he works full time) and Curt, the "second" in command, never wants any kind of recognition....so I wore the "Chief" title just for fun. Well, and I was on the radio. SO I would have talked to you, too. You wern't by any chance the duo that got all turned around and found themselves on Copper Basin....? Oh no, that was MC8, I think! It was good training, good to get all the folks together, 'cause believe me we will all be running around together when we have another big fire. Take care, Trisha "LIghtning" www.ycjp.org On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:00:01 -0700, Robert & Linda Smith wrote: > > Yes, I was there at 10:00A.M. and worked MC4. I was radio in the unit > from Williamson Valley. I saw you, if you were wearing the "Comm" > badge > in the door of the command post. Belated Happy Birthday. I forgot > all > about you tie to the YCJP. Have not seen that many different agencies > in one place at the same time. > > Bob Smith > > Trisha wrote: > > >I graphed the points and calculated coords basically the same as > Jim's. > > > >Hey Bob, by the way....I didn't know which VIP was YOU, on the fire > >evac training. If you were there in the morning, either day, that was > >me on the radio. (Friday morning we had cake, as Lt Bacon and the > >group got me a cake for my birthday!) IF you had a guy on the radio, > >that wasn't me! > > > >IF you were there when I was, I wish I had remembered to find you and > >say "Hi!". Which MC unit/sector were you? > > > >Trisha "Lightning" > >Prescott > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 26 13:00:20 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Steven Stringham) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 06:00:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <408C6530.1000803@Snaptek.com> References: <408AFBAC.90204@cableone.net> <408BF579.1080901@Snaptek.com> <408C479E.8000004@cableone.net> <408C6530.1000803@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <4806.172.30.1.10.1082984420.squirrel@www.stringham-family.org> When I did orbis - in Tucson, I used Autocad to calculate the center of that triangle. The radius of the circle is only about 2 miles. And, that had me off (because I was not taking the curvature of the earth into account) about 900'. I then recalculated, and was still off, but came up with another way to figure it out (because of the way the points are layed out, it allowed me to do some triangulation on it). Good luck. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=e0d67a76-96ce-4797-a186-0de15bfff37a > Robert & Linda Smith wrote: >> Thanks Brian, >> The page you listed is a very interesting read. I really enjoyed it >> (didn't understand all of it) but enjoyed the read. I don't need to be >> this close and accurate. A few feet this way or that is fine. I just >> wanted to be close. > > Hopefully you are talking about 3 points that are fairly close together. > The error actually gets large rather quickly. > a couple points that are half the height or width of arizona apart can > have an error of 1/4 mile if you don't calculate it correctly. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek ----------------------------------------- http://stringham-family.org/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Apr 26 15:00:37 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (David Thompsen) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <4806.172.30.1.10.1082984420.squirrel@www.stringham-family.org> Message-ID: <20040426150037.3137.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> --0-303939778-1082991637=:1916 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've done a lot of puzzle caches, and one thing being left unsaid, maybe it's obvious, it that if you want to work the math... convert all waypoints to UTM. This gives you nice (x,y) coordinates to work with, which respond nicely to geometry and trigonometry. As for the triangle, yeah, there's a lot of ways to define the "center". Intersection of medians, orthocenter, and circle touching all three points of the circle. I've seen puzzle caches using all of the above. --Dave Team Cowspots Steven Stringham wrote: When I did orbis - in Tucson, I used Autocad to calculate the center of that triangle. The radius of the circle is only about 2 miles. And, that had me off (because I was not taking the curvature of the earth into account) about 900'. I then recalculated, and was still off, but came up with another way to figure it out (because of the way the points are layed out, it allowed me to do some triangulation on it). Good luck. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=e0d67a76-96ce-4797-a186-0de15bfff37a > Robert & Linda Smith wrote: >> Thanks Brian, >> The page you listed is a very interesting read. I really enjoyed it >> (didn't understand all of it) but enjoyed the read. I don't need to be >> this close and accurate. A few feet this way or that is fine. I just >> wanted to be close. > > Hopefully you are talking about 3 points that are fairly close together. > The error actually gets large rather quickly. > a couple points that are half the height or width of arizona apart can > have an error of 1/4 mile if you don't calculate it correctly. > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek ----------------------------------------- http://stringham-family.org/ ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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I've done a lot of puzzle caches, and one thing being left unsaid, maybe it's obvious, it that if you want to work the math... convert all waypoints to UTM. This gives you nice (x,y) coordinates to work with, which respond nicely to geometry and trigonometry.

As for the triangle, yeah, there's a lot of ways to define the "center". Intersection of medians, orthocenter, and circle touching all three points of the circle. I've seen puzzle caches using all of the above.

--Dave

Team Cowspots

Steven Stringham <sstringh@stringham-family.org> wrote:

When I did orbis - in Tucson, I used Autocad to calculate the center of
that triangle. The radius of the circle is only about 2 miles. And, that
had me off (because I was not taking the curvature of the earth into
account) about 900'. I then recalculated, and was still off, but came up
with another way to figure it out (because of the way the points are layed
out, it allowed me to do some triangulation on it).

Good luck.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=e0d67a76-96ce-4797-a186-0de15bfff37a

> Robert & Linda Smith wrote:
>> Thanks Brian,
>> The page you listed is a very interesting read. I really enjoyed it
>> (didn't understand all of it) but enjoyed the read. I don't need to be
>> this close and accurate. A few feet this way or that is fine. I just
>> wanted to be close.
>
> Hopefully you are talking about 3 points that are fairly close together.
> The error actually gets large rather quickly.
> a couple points that are half the height or width of arizona apart can
> have an error of 1/4 mile if you don't calculate it correctly.
>
> Brian Cluff
> Team Snaptek

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I tried it with TOPO! 3 and with an older TOPO! 2. I generally don' use this feature. Instead, I download the .txt version and then import it into both TOPO! and MS Streets. It takes a little longer, but I can use the same download file for both programs. Bob --- Steve Burton wrote: > I seem to be having trouble with this, does anyone > else use it...are you > having problems? > When I try to 'merge' the file, I get a 'bad format' > message. > It's been this way for quite some time and I really > miss being able to > locate every cache ever created in Arizona! > > TIA > Steve, aka AZcachemeister > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Apr 27 23:55:43 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:55:43 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Find the center In-Reply-To: <20040426150037.3137.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040426150037.3137.qmail@web12306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <408EF2FF.5040000@cableone.net> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040204020606040706030101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I fear I've opened a can of worms with my question. Very interesting read on all of your comments. If and when I get this together it will not be as hard as several have suggested. No math, just a suggestion as to where you might want to park and then go to approximate center. Thanks again, Bob Smith, 1/2 of Team Petite Elite David Thompsen wrote: > I've done a lot of puzzle caches, and one thing being left unsaid, > maybe it's obvious, it that if you want to work the math... convert > all waypoints to UTM. This gives you nice (x,y) coordinates to work > with, which respond nicely to geometry and trigonometry. > > As for the triangle, yeah, there's a lot of ways to define the > "center". Intersection of medians, orthocenter, and circle touching > all three points of the circle. I've seen puzzle caches using all of > the above. > > --Dave > Team Cowspots > > Steven Stringham wrote: > > When I did orbis - in Tucson, I used Autocad to calculate the > center of > that triangle. The radius of the circle is only about 2 miles. > And, that > had me off (because I was not taking the curvature of the earth into > account) about 900'. I then recalculated, and was still off, but > came up > with another way to figure it out (because of the way the points > are layed > out, it allowed me to do some triangulation on it). > > Good luck. > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=e0d67a76-96ce-4797-a186-0de15bfff37a > > > Robert & Linda Smith wrote: > >> Thanks Brian, > >> The page you listed is a very interesting read. I really enjoyed it > >> (didn't understand all of it) but enjoyed the read. I don't > need to be > >> this close and accurate. A few feet this way or that is fine. I > just > >> wanted to be close. > > > > Hopefully you are talking about 3 points that are fairly close > together. > > The error actually gets large rather quickly. > > a couple points that are half the height or width of arizona > apart can > > have an error of 1/4 mile if you don't calculate it correctly. > > > > Brian Cluff > > Team Snaptek > --------------040204020606040706030101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I fear I've opened a can of worms with my question. Very interesting read on all of your comments. If and when I get this together it will not be as hard as several have suggested. No math, just a suggestion as to where you might want to park and then go to approximate center.
Thanks again, Bob Smith, 1/2 of Team Petite Elite

David Thompsen wrote:

I've done a lot of puzzle caches, and one thing being left unsaid, maybe it's obvious, it that if you want to work the math... convert all waypoints to UTM. This gives you nice (x,y) coordinates to work with, which respond nicely to geometry and trigonometry.

As for the triangle, yeah, there's a lot of ways to define the "center". Intersection of medians, orthocenter, and circle touching all three points of the circle. I've seen puzzle caches using all of the above.

--Dave

Team Cowspots

Steven Stringham <sstringh@stringham-family.org> wrote:

When I did orbis - in Tucson, I used Autocad to calculate the center of
that triangle. The radius of the circle is only about 2 miles. And, that
had me off (because I was not taking the curvature of the earth into
account) about 900'. I then recalculated, and was still off, but came up
with another way to figure it out (because of the way the points are layed
out, it allowed me to do some triangulation on it).

Good luck.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=e0d67a76-96ce-4797-a186-0de15bfff37a

> Robert & Linda Smith wrote:
>> Thanks Brian,
>> The page you listed is a very interesting read. I really enjoyed it
>> (didn't understand all of it) but enjoyed the read. I don't need to be
>> this close and accurate. A few feet this way or that is fine. I just
>> wanted to be close.
>
> Hopefully you are talking about 3 points that are fairly close together.
> The error actually gets large rather quickly.
> a couple points that are half the height or width of arizona apart can
> have an error of 1/4 mile if you don't calculate it correctly.
>
> Brian Cluff
> Team Snaptek

--------------040204020606040706030101-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 28 22:11:20 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Koch, Dan) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:11:20 -0400 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction Message-ID: Does anyone else find the slowness of the geocaching.com site almost unusable? It's almost like if it's not 3am then the site isn't responsive. Anyone else notice this? LazyK - Dan PS. Yeah yeah yeah...new servers...May 1...yadda yadda yadda... From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 28 22:19:44 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:19:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction References: Message-ID: <001101c42d6e$e8dbfc00$901a0244@ph.cox.net> it is the heat or maybe it is tired of all the micro urbans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction > Does anyone else find the slowness of the geocaching.com site almost > unusable? It's almost like if it's not 3am then the site isn't responsive. > > Anyone else notice this? > > LazyK - Dan > > PS. Yeah yeah yeah...new servers...May 1...yadda yadda yadda... > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 28 22:19:55 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Right now it is quite fast for me. Must be you... Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Koch, Dan Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:11 PM To: 'listserv@azgeocaching.com' Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction Does anyone else find the slowness of the geocaching.com site almost unusable? It's almost like if it's not 3am then the site isn't responsive. Anyone else notice this? LazyK - Dan PS. Yeah yeah yeah...new servers...May 1...yadda yadda yadda... ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 28 22:27:51 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (EvilFISH) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:27:51 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction References: Message-ID: <001e01c42d70$0aeb5b00$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Has anyone been asked to show a STATE TRUST LAND PERMIT? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction > Does anyone else find the slowness of the geocaching.com site almost > unusable? It's almost like if it's not 3am then the site isn't responsive. > > Anyone else notice this? > > LazyK - Dan > > PS. Yeah yeah yeah...new servers...May 1...yadda yadda yadda... > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 28 22:42:24 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gordon L Flatt) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:42:24 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction In-Reply-To: <001e01c42d70$0aeb5b00$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: I haven't, but I do have an interesting story about the Bull Dog Canyon permit...... Was out at the entrance gate off of Usery Pass the other day looking for "It...has you. by Brian - Team A.I." As I was looking for the "Pill" a water truck and a little Ford Ranger truck pulled up to the gate. The water truck driver got out and used the combination to open the gate. After the two trucks pulled thru, the ranger driver was closing the gate when 3 women on horseback asked if they could ride thru before closing the gate as one of the horses would not go thru the horse gate. After some discussion between the two truck drivers (in spanish) they let the horses thru and almost immediately a black Jeep pulled up and the driver was waving his permit out the window and calling to leave the gate open. About then, the two truck drivers thru up their hands and climbed into their vehicles and left. I volunteered to close the gate for the Jeep and upon doing so, discovered that the padlock would not lock because it was still turned to the combo!!! He he he......So now, my permit had expired last month and I have yet to get a new one, so the thought crossed my mind to go ahead and enter this restricted area with my vehicle, after all, I only needed to go about a quarter mile. But I decided that I had better wait until I had the proper permit in possession. Approximately two minutes after locking the gate and returning to my vehicle, a Park Ranger came flying up as if on a call. Gave me an ominous look as if to question if I had been inside the restricted area with a vehicle. Never stopped me to ask, but he sure looked interested. Anyway, that day I made the correct choice of following the rules! :-) Gordon Coyote1022 Gordon L. Flatt AV Specialist Smith Junior High glflatt@mpsaz.org 480-472-4673 -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of EvilFISH Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:28 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction Has anyone been asked to show a STATE TRUST LAND PERMIT? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction > Does anyone else find the slowness of the geocaching.com site almost > unusable? It's almost like if it's not 3am then the site isn't responsive. > > Anyone else notice this? > > LazyK - Dan > > PS. Yeah yeah yeah...new servers...May 1...yadda yadda yadda... > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Apr 28 22:52:57 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RopingThe Wind) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction Message-ID: >From: "EvilFISH" >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:19:44 -0700 > >it is the heat > >or maybe it is tired of all the micro urbans Yep. That's it! All those thousands of urban micro caches are clogging up the system and slowing it down. Cleanse the system and rid it of all those urban caches! :) hehehe Scott Team Ropingthewind _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar � get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 00:31:25 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:31:25 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] A Note from "Mike's List" Message-ID: <000001c42d81$54a83f40$6601a8c0@Business> Someone stole a Siemens SX1 prototype cell phone from the Siemens booth at CeBIT in Hanover, Germany. Unfortunately for the thief, the phone's most interesting feature is built-in GPS tracking. Siemens engineers secretly queried the phone to determine its location, and told the Hanover police where to nab the thief. Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 01:20:00 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:20:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction References: Message-ID: <00d001c42d88$17f1eef0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> The volume of traffic to the site is at a record high, and they're having server capacity issues because of it. I believe on 5/1 they are moving to a multiple server system to split the load and bring site service back to acceptable levels. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction > Does anyone else find the slowness of the geocaching.com site almost > unusable? It's almost like if it's not 3am then the site isn't responsive. > > Anyone else notice this? > > LazyK - Dan > > PS. Yeah yeah yeah...new servers...May 1...yadda yadda yadda... > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 01:40:16 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Robert & Linda Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:40:16 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction In-Reply-To: <001e01c42d70$0aeb5b00$901a0244@ph.cox.net> References: <001e01c42d70$0aeb5b00$901a0244@ph.cox.net> Message-ID: <40905D00.2030608@cableone.net> I have not been asked yet, but when I am asked I will be ready. I have mailed in my app for a family permit for the wife and I. I just don't want to be embarrassed if I run into a forest ranger or other officer. I did have a forest law enforcement officer drive by when I was walking out from a cache. I suppose he could have asked me for a permit if he wanted. We do have some sheriff deputies in the forest up here in Prescott. I think it is better to be safe than sorry. Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite EvilFISH wrote: >Has anyone been asked to show a STATE TRUST LAND PERMIT? > > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 02:09:41 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bryon Culling) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction In-Reply-To: <40905D00.2030608@cableone.net> Message-ID: <20040429020941.43099.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1846044571-1083204581=:42860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You dont' want to be embarrassed? Trust me, that would be the last thing you need to worry about. How about the $500.00 dollar fine that goes along with that? A couple of my Off road friends have had to pay that after they were caught out and about near Tuscan last year. Many places you go might not be on STL but sometimes you have to cross STL to get there. Just get the use permit and save yourselves the head ach later. bad thing is that they dont' ahve to post signs but you ARE responsable for knowing where you are. The cops don't have to give you warnings and in some places they wont. they'll just give you a ticket for each person in your group who dosn't have a permit. I've got two STL use permits. one famely and one through a OHV club. I keep them in a pouch with my GPS, Extra batteries, cords, compas, gun, ammo, matches and a few other thigs that can com in handy while out and about. STLUP. Never leave home with out it. Robert & Linda Smith wrote: I have not been asked yet, but when I am asked I will be ready. I have mailed in my app for a family permit for the wife and I. I just don't want to be embarrassed if I run into a forest ranger or other officer. I did have a forest law enforcement officer drive by when I was walking out from a cache. I suppose he could have asked me for a permit if he wanted. We do have some sheriff deputies in the forest up here in Prescott. I think it is better to be safe than sorry. Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite EvilFISH wrote: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-1846044571-1083204581=:42860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
You dont' want to be embarrassed? Trust me, that would be the last thing you need to worry about. How about the $500.00 dollar fine that goes along with that? A couple of my Off road friends have had to pay that after they were caught out and about near Tuscan last year. Many places you go might not be on STL but sometimes you have to cross STL to get there. Just get the use permit and save yourselves the head ach later.

bad thing is that they dont' ahve to post signs but you ARE responsable for knowing where you are. The cops don't have to give you warnings and in some places they wont. they'll just give you a ticket for each person in your group who dosn't have a permit.

I've got two STL use permits. one famely and one through a OHV club. I keep them in a pouch with my GPS, Extra batteries, cords, compas, gun, ammo, matches and a few other thigs that can com in handy while out and about.

STLUP. Never leave home with out it.

Robert & Linda Smith <Lrsmith@cableone.net> wrote:

I have not been asked yet, but when I am asked I will be ready. I have
mailed in my app for a family permit for the wife and I. I just don't
want to be embarrassed if I run into a forest ranger or other officer.
I did have a forest law enforcement officer drive by when I was walking
out from a cache. I suppose he could have asked me for a permit if he
wanted. We do have some sheriff deputies in the forest up here in
Prescott. I think it is better to be safe than sorry.
Bob Smith, Team Petite Elite

EvilFISH wrote:

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Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-1846044571-1083204581=:42860-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 02:16:30 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:16:30 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sounds like Litter to Me Message-ID: <000501c42d8f$fc360b30$6601a8c0@Business> Does the National Park Service confiscate this stuff, too? "From Springer Mountain in Georgia to Maine's Mount Katahdin, Pegg enjoys a rock star's renown. The 59-year-old retired prison guard ... is a "trail angel." "During the nine-month hiking season, he distributes "trail magic" - free water, food, and other goodies - just about every day to through-hikers traversing New Jersey as they attempt to walk the entire 2,172-mile Appalachian Trail. "He sweeps out trail-side shelters and leaves behind cookies, hard candy, foot powder, Advil, and Band-Aids. "He fills gallon jugs with water and leaves them on stretches of the trail where water is otherwise hard to come by. -Bob Ivry, "An angel through and through," The Record (Bergen County, New Jersey), August 21, 2003 Steve Team Tierra Buena From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 11:46:34 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (RAND HARDIN) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 04:46:34 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sounds like Litter to Me Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C42DA4.F2E077E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder if this "trail angel" uses waypoints to mark where his "trail ma= gic" caches are located? Is there a double standard here? It'll be inte= resting to see if now that this information has been released, if the Nat= ional Park Service confiscates these caches too! If not! then I see no r= eason why geocachers couldn't place geocaches along the trail every few m= iles. We could put our own provisions (Band-Aids, games, puzzles, batter= ies, etc.) in the caches. The follow-up story could be titled: "GEOANGEL= S through and through." Rand (RandMan) =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Team Tierra Buena Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:26 PM To: Arizona Geocaching Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sounds like Litter to Me Does the National Park Service confiscate this stuff, too? "From Springer Mountain in Georgia to Maine's Mount Katahdin, Pegg enjoys a rock star's renown. The 59-year-old retired prison guard ... is a "trail angel." =20 "During the nine-month hiking season, he distributes "trail magic" - free water, food, and other goodies - just about every day to through-hikers traversing New Jersey as they attempt to walk the entire 2,172-mile Appalachian Trail. =20 "He sweeps out trail-side shelters and leaves behind cookies, hard candy, foot powder, Advil, and Band-Aids. =20 "He fills gallon jugs with water and leaves them on stretches of the trail where water is otherwise hard to come by. =20 -Bob Ivry, "An angel through and through," The Record (Bergen County, New Jersey), August 21, 2003 Steve Team Tierra Buena =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C42DA4.F2E077E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I wonder if th= is "trail angel" uses waypoints to mark where his "trail magic" = caches are located? Is there a double standard here? = ; It'll be interesting to see if now that this information has been relea= sed, if the National Park Service confiscates these caches too!&= nbsp; If not! then I see no reason why geocachers couldn't place geocache= s along the trail every few miles. We could put our own provisions = (Band-Aids, games, puzzles, batteries, etc.) in the caches. The fol= low-up story could be titled: "GEOANGELS through and through."

Rand

(RandMan)

----- Original Message -----

From: Team Tierra B= uena

Sent: Wednesday, April = 28, 2004 7:26 PM

To: Arizona= Geocaching

Subject: [Az-Geo= caching] Sounds like Litter to Me

Does the Nationa= l Park Service confiscate this stuff, too?
"From Springer Mountain in = Georgia to Maine's Mount Katahdin, Pegg
enjoys a rock star's renown. T= he 59-year-old retired prison guard ... is
a "trail angel."
"Durin= g the nine-month hiking season, he distributes "trail magic" -
free wa= ter, food, and other goodies - just about every day to
through-hikers = traversing New Jersey as they attempt to walk the entire
2,172-mile Ap= palachian Trail.
"He sweeps out trail-side shelters and leaves behind= cookies, hard
candy, foot powder, Advil, and Band-Aids.
"He fills= gallon jugs with water and leaves them on stretches of the
trail wher= e water is otherwise hard to come by.
-Bob Ivry, "An angel through an= d through," The Record (Bergen County,
New Jersey), August 21, 2003Steve
Team Tierra Buena
------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C42DA4.F2E077E0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 14:18:50 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:18:50 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sounds like Litter to Me References: Message-ID: <012601c42df4$e4a7aa40$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C42DBA.380ADEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe this guy has something to do with all the crap being left for = UDA's making the trek from Mexico across the Southern Arizona desert. = You know, the thousands of empty gallon jugs now littering the desert, = along with junk food wrappers and fast-food stuff. Gah. Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RAND HARDIN=20 To: AZ-Geocaching=20 Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:46 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sounds like Litter to Me I wonder if this "trail angel" uses waypoints to mark where his "trail = magic" caches are located? Is there a double standard here? It'll be = interesting to see if now that this information has been released, if = the National Park Service confiscates these caches too! If not! then I = see no reason why geocachers couldn't place geocaches along the trail = every few miles. We could put our own provisions (Band-Aids, games, = puzzles, batteries, etc.) in the caches. The follow-up story could be = titled: "GEOANGELS through and through." Rand (RandMan)=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Team Tierra Buena Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:26 PM To: Arizona Geocaching Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sounds like Litter to Me Does the National Park Service confiscate this stuff, too? "From Springer Mountain in Georgia to Maine's Mount Katahdin, Pegg enjoys a rock star's renown. The 59-year-old retired prison guard = ... is a "trail angel."=20 "During the nine-month hiking season, he distributes "trail magic" - free water, food, and other goodies - just about every day to through-hikers traversing New Jersey as they attempt to walk the = entire 2,172-mile Appalachian Trail.=20 "He sweeps out trail-side shelters and leaves behind cookies, hard candy, foot powder, Advil, and Band-Aids.=20 "He fills gallon jugs with water and leaves them on stretches of the trail where water is otherwise hard to come by.=20 -Bob Ivry, "An angel through and through," The Record (Bergen = County, New Jersey), August 21, 2003 Steve Team Tierra Buena=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C42DBA.380ADEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maybe this guy has something to do with all the = crap being=20 left for UDA's making the trek from Mexico across the Southern Arizona=20 desert. You know, the thousands of empty gallon jugs now littering = the=20 desert, along with junk food wrappers and fast-food stuff. =20 Gah.

Brian

Team A.I.

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RAND = HARDIN

To: AZ-Geocaching

Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 = 4:46=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] = Sounds like=20 Litter to Me

I wonder if this "trail angel" uses waypoints to mark where his = "trail=20 magic" caches are located? Is there a double = standard=20 here? It'll be interesting to see if now that this information = has been=20 released, if the National Park Service confiscates these = caches=20 too! If not! then I see no reason why geocachers couldn't place=20 geocaches along the trail every few miles. We could put our own=20 provisions (Band-Aids, games, puzzles, batteries, etc.) in the = caches. =20 The follow-up story could be titled: "GEOANGELS through and = through."

Rand

(RandMan)

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Team Tierra Buena
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, = 2004 7:26=20 PM

To: Arizona Geocaching

Subject: [Az-Geocaching] = Sounds like=20 Litter to Me

Does the National Park Service confiscate this = stuff,=20 too?
"From Springer Mountain in Georgia to Maine's Mount = Katahdin,=20 Pegg
enjoys a rock star's renown. The 59-year-old retired prison = guard=20 ... is
a "trail angel."
"During the nine-month hiking season, = he=20 distributes "trail magic" -
free water, food, and other goodies - = just=20 about every day to
through-hikers traversing New Jersey as they = attempt=20 to walk the entire
2,172-mile Appalachian Trail.
"He sweeps = out=20 trail-side shelters and leaves behind cookies, hard
candy, foot = powder,=20 Advil, and Band-Aids.
"He fills gallon jugs with water and = leaves them=20 on stretches of the
trail where water is otherwise hard to come = by.=20
-Bob Ivry, "An angel through and through," The Record (Bergen=20 County,
New Jersey), August 21, 2003
Steve
Team Tierra = Buena=20
------=_NextPart_000_0123_01C42DBA.380ADEE0-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 15:18:48 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:18:48 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction Message-ID: I have we were scouting for Javelina, and ran into a Pinal county sheriff. He kept saying we were trespassing because we were not actively hunting, until I pulled out our Family Permit, and then he understood. I think the heat was getting to him. Denny Tres Hombres -----Original Message----- From: EvilFISH [mailto:EvilFish@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:28 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction Has anyone been asked to show a STATE TRUST LAND PERMIT? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koch, Dan" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Arizona State trust land correction > Does anyone else find the slowness of the geocaching.com site almost > unusable? It's almost like if it's not 3am then the site isn't responsive. > > Anyone else notice this? > > LazyK - Dan > > PS. Yeah yeah yeah...new servers...May 1...yadda yadda yadda... > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 18:24:19 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise Message-ID: <20040429182419.28709.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> This is an EASY hike with fantastic views,I'm very surprised this cache has had so few visitors!You can drive 90% of the climb!Try it,you'll like it! Guy http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5cda014b-43e0-4d58-93b7-8855a5d18e91 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 18:37:01 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:37:01 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise References: <20040429182419.28709.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c42e19$079ce780$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> Team Gecko will add this one to our list for the weekend, along with all those we can find at Squaw Peak. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise : This is an EASY hike with fantastic views,I'm very : surprised this cache has had so few visitors!You can : drive 90% of the climb!Try it,you'll like it! : : Guy : : http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5cda014b-43e0-4d58-93b7-8855a5d18e91 : : : : : __________________________________ : Do you Yahoo!? : Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs : http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover : ____________________________________________________________ : Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com : To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: : http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching : : Arizona's Geocaching Resource : http://www.azgeocaching.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.669 / Virus Database: 431 - Release Date: 4/26/2004 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 20:37:47 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (SquishyGecko) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:37:47 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) References: <20040429182419.28709.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101c42e29$d5abcf00$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> So on second thought, I decided to run up there this afternoon and grab it. Just got back from having a cactus surgically removed from my butt. Oh yeah, that's an easy one. No trail, no parking, and a whole bunch of loose rocks and jumping cactus. As a non-native to Arizona, I'm making the following decrees: Never, ever will I again attempt to hike where there is no trail. Never, ever will I attempt a non-urban Graldrich cache. Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick grab" without a damn first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. Off to pick the kid up from school and whine some more about how my butt hurts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise : This is an EASY hike with fantastic views,I'm very : surprised this cache has had so few visitors!You can : drive 90% of the climb!Try it,you'll like it! : : Guy : : http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5cda014b-43e0-4d58-93b7-8855a5d18e91 : : : : : __________________________________ : Do you Yahoo!? : Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs : http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover : ____________________________________________________________ : Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com : To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: : http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching : : Arizona's Geocaching Resource : http://www.azgeocaching.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.669 / Virus Database: 431 - Release Date: 4/26/2004 From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 21:11:46 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:11:46 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) In-Reply-To: <001101c42e29$d5abcf00$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> Message-ID: According to Clayjar's rating system, 1 star for terrain = wheelchair accessible. Although the rating system is a suggestion, was it suitable for a wheelchair? :) Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of SquishyGecko Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:38 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) So on second thought, I decided to run up there this afternoon and grab it. Just got back from having a cactus surgically removed from my butt. Oh yeah, that's an easy one. No trail, no parking, and a whole bunch of loose rocks and jumping cactus. As a non-native to Arizona, I'm making the following decrees: Never, ever will I again attempt to hike where there is no trail. Never, ever will I attempt a non-urban Graldrich cache. Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick grab" without a damn first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. Off to pick the kid up from school and whine some more about how my butt hurts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise : This is an EASY hike with fantastic views,I'm very : surprised this cache has had so few visitors!You can : drive 90% of the climb!Try it,you'll like it! : : Guy : : http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5cda014b-43e0-4d58-93 b7-8855a5d18e91 : : : : : __________________________________ : Do you Yahoo!? : Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs : http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover : ____________________________________________________________ : Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com : To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: : http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching : : Arizona's Geocaching Resource : http://www.azgeocaching.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.669 / Virus Database: 431 - Release Date: 4/26/2004 ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 21:27:00 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:27:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) In-Reply-To: <001101c42e29$d5abcf00$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> Message-ID: Yep, I've always said it. Arizona kicks butt!!! Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of SquishyGecko Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:38 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) So on second thought, I decided to run up there this afternoon and grab it. Just got back from having a cactus surgically removed from my butt. Oh yeah, that's an easy one. No trail, no parking, and a whole bunch of loose rocks and jumping cactus. As a non-native to Arizona, I'm making the following decrees: Never, ever will I again attempt to hike where there is no trail. Never, ever will I attempt a non-urban Graldrich cache. Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick grab" without a damn first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. Off to pick the kid up from school and whine some more about how my butt hurts. From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Apr 29 21:51:44 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Ford, Denny) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:51:44 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) Message-ID: I don't care who you are that's funny!!!!! Dam out of staters! -----Original Message----- From: SquishyGecko [mailto:squishygecko@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:38 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) So on second thought, I decided to run up there this afternoon and grab it. Just got back from having a cactus surgically removed from my butt. Oh yeah, that's an easy one. No trail, no parking, and a whole bunch of loose rocks and jumping cactus. As a non-native to Arizona, I'm making the following decrees: Never, ever will I again attempt to hike where there is no trail. Never, ever will I attempt a non-urban Graldrich cache. Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick grab" without a damn first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. Off to pick the kid up from school and whine some more about how my butt hurts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "GUY ALDRICH" To: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:24 AM Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise : This is an EASY hike with fantastic views,I'm very : surprised this cache has had so few visitors!You can : drive 90% of the climb!Try it,you'll like it! : : Guy : : http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5cda014b-43e0-4d58-93b7-8855a5d18e91 : : : : : __________________________________ : Do you Yahoo!? : Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs : http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover : ____________________________________________________________ : Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com : To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: : http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching : : Arizona's Geocaching Resource : http://www.azgeocaching.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.669 / Virus Database: 431 - Release Date: 4/26/2004 ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 30 02:17:50 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) In-Reply-To: <001101c42e29$d5abcf00$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <20040430021750.33626.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> My guess is you didn't follow the directions on the cache page! --- SquishyGecko wrote: > So on second thought, I decided to run up there this > afternoon and grab it. > Just got back from having a cactus surgically > removed from my butt. Oh > yeah, that's an easy one. No trail, no parking, and > a whole bunch of loose > rocks and jumping cactus. > > As a non-native to Arizona, I'm making the following > decrees: > > Never, ever will I again attempt to hike where there > is no trail. > > Never, ever will I attempt a non-urban Graldrich > cache. > > Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick > grab" without a damn > first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. > > Off to pick the kid up from school and whine some > more about how my butt > hurts. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GUY ALDRICH" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:24 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise > > > : This is an EASY hike with fantastic views,I'm very > : surprised this cache has had so few visitors!You > can > : drive 90% of the climb!Try it,you'll like it! > : > : Guy > : > : > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5cda014b-43e0-4d58-93b7-8855a5d18e91 > : > : > : > : > : __________________________________ > : Do you Yahoo!? > : Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 30 02:25:41 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (GUY ALDRICH) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040430022541.48013.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Andy IF you go the right way,you can use a wheelchair to get within 50 ft of the cache!You must print out and follow the cache page directions! --- Andrew Ayre wrote: > According to Clayjar's rating system, 1 star for > terrain = wheelchair > accessible. Although the rating system is a > suggestion, was it suitable for > a wheelchair? :) > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On > Behalf Of > SquishyGecko > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:38 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise > (OUCH!) > > > So on second thought, I decided to run up there this > afternoon and grab it. > Just got back from having a cactus surgically > removed from my butt. Oh > yeah, that's an easy one. No trail, no parking, and > a whole bunch of loose > rocks and jumping cactus. > > As a non-native to Arizona, I'm making the following > decrees: > > Never, ever will I again attempt to hike where there > is no trail. > > Never, ever will I attempt a non-urban Graldrich > cache. > > Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick > grab" without a damn > first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. > > Off to pick the kid up from school and whine some > more about how my butt > hurts. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GUY ALDRICH" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:24 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise > > > : This is an EASY hike with fantastic views,I'm very > : surprised this cache has had so few visitors!You > can > : drive 90% of the climb!Try it,you'll like it! > : > : Guy > : > : > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5cda014b-43e0-4d58-93 > b7-8855a5d18e91 > : > : > : > : > : __________________________________ > : Do you Yahoo!? > : Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 30 02:57:00 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Andrew Ayre) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) In-Reply-To: <20040430022541.48013.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Guy! I'll put it on my list of Phoenix caches I would like to do. :) Andy -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of GUY ALDRICH Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:26 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) Andy IF you go the right way,you can use a wheelchair to get within 50 ft of the cache!You must print out and follow the cache page directions! --- Andrew Ayre wrote: > According to Clayjar's rating system, 1 star for > terrain = wheelchair > accessible. Although the rating system is a > suggestion, was it suitable for > a wheelchair? :) > > Andy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On > Behalf Of > SquishyGecko > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:38 PM > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise > (OUCH!) > > > So on second thought, I decided to run up there this > afternoon and grab it. > Just got back from having a cactus surgically > removed from my butt. Oh > yeah, that's an easy one. No trail, no parking, and > a whole bunch of loose > rocks and jumping cactus. > > As a non-native to Arizona, I'm making the following > decrees: > > Never, ever will I again attempt to hike where there > is no trail. > > Never, ever will I attempt a non-urban Graldrich > cache. > > Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick > grab" without a damn > first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. > > Off to pick the kid up from school and whine some > more about how my butt > hurts. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GUY ALDRICH" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:24 AM > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise > > > : This is an EASY hike with fantastic views,I'm very > : surprised this cache has had so few visitors!You > can > : drive 90% of the climb!Try it,you'll like it! > : > : Guy > : > : > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5cda014b-43e0-4d58-93 > b7-8855a5d18e91 > : > : > : > : > : __________________________________ > : Do you Yahoo!? > : Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs > : > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover > : > ____________________________________________________________ > : Az-Geocaching mailing list > listserv@azgeocaching.com > : To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > : > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > : > : Arizona's Geocaching Resource > : http://www.azgeocaching.com > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.669 / Virus Database: 431 - Release > Date: 4/26/2004 > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe > visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 30 03:22:02 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (ShadowAce) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:22:02 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) In-Reply-To: <20040430022541.48013.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hehehe I have finally realized this is why I find caches so much fun. (Ask We C*EM or Cow Spots or AZcachemeister) I have a wonderful nack for finding the most difficult way to the cache location. If it is a simple straight shot walk, I find a way to be out there at night and have no flashlight.. On the side? Sure lets come all the way over the top just to come back down on it. But Joy of joys.. This just addes to the fun, it's like saying 'Watch out for that cactus' they reply with 'I see it' just as there hand swings into it... Make the caches fun and they will come. 8^) -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of GUY ALDRICH Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:26 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) Andy IF you go the right way,you can use a wheelchair to get within 50 ft of the cache!You must print out and follow the cache page directions! From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 30 03:53:20 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bill Tomlinson) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:53:20 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c42e66$b06e3150$6501a8c0@dad> ShadowAce, You sound just like TheWebbman. There's a reason we call him "Bushwhack Webb". As long as you're having fun... :-) CacheLess Bill -----Original Message----- From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of ShadowAce Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:22 PM To: listserv@azgeocaching.com Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) hehehe I have finally realized this is why I find caches so much fun. (Ask We C*EM or Cow Spots or AZcachemeister) I have a wonderful nack for finding the most difficult way to the cache location. If it is a simple straight shot walk, I find a way to be out there at night and have no flashlight.. On the side? Sure lets come all the way over the top just to come back down on it. But Joy of joys.. This just addes to the fun, it's like saying 'Watch out for that cactus' they reply with 'I see it' just as there hand swings into it... Make the caches fun and they will come. 8^) From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 30 14:44:11 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 07:44:11 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) In-Reply-To: <001101c42e29$d5abcf00$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> References: <20040429182419.28709.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> <001101c42e29$d5abcf00$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> Message-ID: <4092663B.6080206@Snaptek.com> SquishyGecko wrote: > Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick grab" without a damn > first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. All I can say is, never leave home without it: http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/wave/default.asp I know I certainly never do. I actually tried hard to not have mine on during my wedding, but I somehow ended up with it on my hip like usual. I've found it's the best tool ever invented. It sure beats the spyderco wrench, which only LOOKS like it should be the best tool ever. http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/spyderc/wrench.htm Brian Cluff Team Snaptek From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 30 16:21:32 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian - Team A.I.) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:21:32 -0700 Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) References: <20040429182419.28709.qmail@web40811.mail.yahoo.com> <001101c42e29$d5abcf00$0301a8c0@LAPTOP> <4092663B.6080206@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <002d01c42ecf$335b83c0$0502a8c0@fbidaemon> GEEK! GEEK! ;p Brian Team A.I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Cluff" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) > SquishyGecko wrote: > > Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick grab" without a damn > > first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. > > All I can say is, never leave home without it: > > http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/wave/default.asp > > I know I certainly never do. I actually tried hard to not have mine on > during my wedding, but I somehow ended up with it on my hip like usual. > I've found it's the best tool ever invented. It sure beats the spyderco > wrench, which only LOOKS like it should be the best tool ever. > http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/spyderc/wrench.htm > > Brian Cluff > Team Snaptek > ____________________________________________________________ > Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com > To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching > > Arizona's Geocaching Resource > http://www.azgeocaching.com > From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 30 23:35:56 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Gale) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise (OUCH!) In-Reply-To: <4092663B.6080206@Snaptek.com> Message-ID: <20040430233556.13800.qmail@web14801.mail.yahoo.com> --0-1937833578-1083368156=:13732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How much is this little gem? I think I may have found the perfect anniversary gift for Mike. Thanks again to geocaching. Brian Cluff wrote:SquishyGecko wrote: > Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick grab" without a > first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. All I can say is, never leave home without it: http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/wave/default.asp I know I certainly never do. I actually tried hard to not have mine on during my wedding, but I somehow ended up with it on my hip like usual. I've found it's the best tool ever invented. It sure beats the spyderco wrench, which only LOOKS like it should be the best tool ever. http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/spyderc/wrench.htm Brian Cluff Team Snaptek ____________________________________________________________ Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com To edit your setting, subscribe or unsubscribe visit: http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching Arizona's Geocaching Resource http://www.azgeocaching.com Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so: "Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges -- "Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!" Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-1937833578-1083368156=:13732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
How much is this little gem? I think I may have found the perfect anniversary gift for Mike. Thanks again to geocaching.

Brian Cluff <brian@snaptek.com> wrote:
SquishyGecko wrote:
> Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick grab" without a
> first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers.

All I can say is, never leave home without it:

http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/wave/default.asp

I know I certainly never do. I actually tried hard to not have mine on
during my wedding, but I somehow ended up with it on my hip like usual.
I've found it's the best tool ever invented. It sure beats the spyderco
wrench, which only LOOKS like it should be the best tool ever.
http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/spyderc/wrench.htm

Brian Cluff
Team Snaptek
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Tsegi Mike and Desert Viking

Till a voice, as bad as Conscience, rang interminable changes
On one everlasting Whisper day and night repeated -- so:
"Something hidden. Go and find it. Go and look behind the Ranges --
"Something lost behind the Ranges. Lost and waiting for you. Go!"

Rudyard Kipling , The Explorer 1898

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Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs --0-1937833578-1083368156=:13732-- From listserv@azgeocaching.com Fri Apr 30 23:48:12 2004 From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Trisha) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 16:48:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise Rating Message-ID: <20040430164812.5488.h006.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net> Hey Guy, How'rya doin'? Ahem....(butting in) Did you read Andy's note? Clayjar's rating system is not required, of course, but it does seem to be somewhat of a standard being used. Let's see. 1 = Handicapped ACCESSIBLE, terrain is likely to be PAVED, is relatively FLAT, and less than 1/2 mile. 2 = Terrain is generally along marked trails, there ARE NO STEEP ELEVATION changes or heavy undergrowth, less than 2 miles. Hm. I haven't been to this cache, but from the logs (some mention a short steep climb) it seems like bumping the terrain rating to at least a 2 might be more accurate and therefore avoid any confusion/complaints in the future. Pretty easy. Or, if there is a way to get within 50 feet without the steep climb, maybe a 1.5. Think. 50 feet might as well be 50 miles when you are wheelchair bound. "Accessible" logically means someone in a wheelchair can physically reach out and grab the cache. (/butting in) take care, Trisha "Lightning" Prescott On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:25:41 -0700 (PDT), GUY ALDRICH wrote: > > Andy IF you go the right way,you can use a wheelchair > to get within 50 ft of the cache!You must print out > and follow the cache page directions! > > > --- Andrew Ayre wrote: > > According to Clayjar's rating system, 1 star for > > terrain = wheelchair > > accessible. Although the rating system is a > > suggestion, was it suitable for > > a wheelchair? :) > > > > Andy > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com > > > [mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On > > Behalf Of > > SquishyGecko > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:38 PM > > To: listserv@azgeocaching.com > > Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise > > (OUCH!) > > > > > > So on second thought, I decided to run up there this > > afternoon and grab it. > > Just got back from having a cactus surgically > > removed from my butt. Oh > > yeah, that's an easy one. No trail, no parking, and > > a whole bunch of loose > > rocks and jumping cactus. > > > > As a non-native to Arizona, I'm making the following > > decrees: > > > > Never, ever will I again attempt to hike where there > > is no trail. > > > > Never, ever will I attempt a non-urban Graldrich > > cache. > > > > Never, ever will I go up on a mountain for a "quick > > grab" without a damn > > first aid kit, or at the least a pair of tweezers. > > > > Off to pick the kid up from school and whine some > > more about how my butt > > hurts. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "GUY ALDRICH" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 11:24 AM > > Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Mummy's Surprise > > > > > > : This is an EASY hike with fantastic views,I'm very > > : surprised this cache has had so few visitors!You > > can > > : drive 90% of the climb!Try it,you'll like it! > > : > > : Guy > > : > > : > > > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=5cda014b-43e0-4d58-93 > > b7-8855a5d18e91 > > : > > : > > : > > : > > : __________________________________ > > : Do you Yahoo!? > > : Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! 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