[Az-Geocaching] Law Enforcement, Geocaching, Anarchy and futons
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Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:42:23 -0800 (PST)
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I'm not entirely sure this is an isolated incident. On Desert Giant, Panda makes reference to an encounter he had with someone in law enforcement. The encounter sounds similar to this one and is not too far away from the cache where Scott and Regan had their encounter on Sunday. Perhaps Panda could explain in more detail what happened to him at Desert Giant.
RopingThe Wind <arizcowboy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Being questioned by an officer while geocaching doesn't constitute
>harassment. Officers are trained >to spot suspicious activity, and in all
>honesty some of the searching we do in looking for caches does >look truly
>suspicious. My most recent contact by an officer was in Tempe, who saw my
>truck with the >lights on near 52nd St/Broadway at Futte o' the Butte. He
>pulled up and asked what I was doing. I >explained Geocaching in very
>basic terms, showing him my PDA with the cache page downloaded. >The lack
>of anxiety in my voice and my forthright information satisfied him quickly
>and he wished me >luck and left. If I have nothing to hide, why act as
>though I do? As I said before, the respect you >get is often the respect
>you give. In no way do I mean that Scott and Regan were being jerks. I
> >honestly don't believe they gave him anything but the respect they would
>expect from anyone else. >So no, I didn't miss the point.
>
>Brian
>
>Team A.I.
That was very well stated Brian.
As far as me and Regan's situation... no, we certainly were not being jerks
and we did not talk back to the officer or question him in any way and we
just let him give us his little speech. We did discuss geocaching and other
related issues for a few minutes. I did question him in one aspect and that
was the fact that he said it was illegal to geocache in County Parks. I said
that "I thought there was guidelines posted on the Maricopa County Parks
website dealing with geocaching?" He said there was not and I left it at
that. I did not question him further. I figure he knew what he was talking
about. Again, our entire conversations was low toned and never out of line.
Otherwise, perhaps he would have arrested us. (btw... I think the officers
name was 'minicker' or something like that).
I have delt with law enforcement officers with ballooning for 10 years. On
many occasions, they come out to my city landings. They have always been
friendly and just want to make sure everything is ok. I have no problem with
that. I have had situations were a 'concerned citizen' called 911 thinking I
was crashing and police, paramedics and everyone else showed up, when in
reality, it was just another typical, safe landing. I never get nervous
about an officer showing up at a landing. I know he/she is just there to
make sure everything is ok (this also means making sure I am doing so
lawfully). I once found myself flying down I-10 near Eloy and the wind was
going straight down the interstate. No matter what altitude I flew at, I
couldnt get off the dang freeway! The officer actually told my ground crew
that I was welcome to land in the dirt median inbetween and he would make
sure we had room to do so! I was very low on fuel. But in the end, I didnt
need to do that. When I landed just over the fence from the highway, I went
over and thanked the officer for his assistance and to let him know that
everything was ok. We shook hands and parted. I was glad he was there
though. If I needed to land in the median, he was there to help.
As Brian said, there are a few bad apples in every bunch and on Sunday
morning, me and Regan must have had the apple that had the worm up's it's
a** :)
Scott
Team Ropingthewind
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<DIV>I'm not entirely sure this is an isolated incident. On Desert Giant, Panda makes reference to an encounter he had with someone in law enforcement. The encounter sounds similar to this one and is not too far away from the cache where Scott and Regan had their encounter on Sunday. Perhaps Panda could explain in more detail what happened to him at Desert Giant.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B><I>RopingThe Wind <arizcowboy@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>>Being questioned by an officer while geocaching doesn't constitute <BR>>harassment. Officers are trained >to spot suspicious activity, and in all <BR>>honesty some of the searching we do in looking for caches does >look truly <BR>>suspicious. My most recent contact by an officer was in Tempe, who saw my <BR>>truck with the >lights on near 52nd St/Broadway at Futte o' the Butte. He <BR>>pulled up and asked what I was doing. I >explained Geocaching in very <BR>>basic terms, showing him my PDA with the cache page downloaded. >The lack <BR>>of anxiety in my voice and my forthright information satisfied him quickly <BR>>and he wished me >luck and left. If I have nothing to hide, why act as <BR>>though I do? As I said before, the respect you >get is often the respect <BR>>you give. In no way do I mean that Scott and Regan we
re being
jerks. I <BR>> >honestly don't believe they gave him anything but the respect they would <BR>>expect from anyone else. >So no, I didn't miss the point.<BR>><BR>>Brian<BR>><BR>>Team A.I.<BR><BR>That was very well stated Brian.<BR><BR>As far as me and Regan's situation... no, we certainly were not being jerks <BR>and we did not talk back to the officer or question him in any way and we <BR>just let him give us his little speech. We did discuss geocaching and other <BR>related issues for a few minutes. I did question him in one aspect and that <BR>was the fact that he said it was illegal to geocache in County Parks. I said <BR>that "I thought there was guidelines posted on the Maricopa County Parks <BR>website dealing with geocaching?" He said there was not and I left it at <BR>that. I did not question him further. I figure he knew what he was talking <BR>about. Again, our entire conversations was low toned and never out of line. <BR>Otherwise, perhaps h
e would
have arrested us. (btw... I think the officers <BR>name was 'minicker' or something like that).<BR><BR>I have delt with law enforcement officers with ballooning for 10 years. On <BR>many occasions, they come out to my city landings. They have always been <BR>friendly and just want to make sure everything is ok. I have no problem with <BR>that. I have had situations were a 'concerned citizen' called 911 thinking I <BR>was crashing and police, paramedics and everyone else showed up, when in <BR>reality, it was just another typical, safe landing. I never get nervous <BR>about an officer showing up at a landing. I know he/she is just there to <BR>make sure everything is ok (this also means making sure I am doing so <BR>lawfully). I once found myself flying down I-10 near Eloy and the wind was <BR>going straight down the interstate. No matter what altitude I flew at, I <BR>couldnt get off the dang freeway! The officer actually told my ground crew <BR>that I was welcome to land in
the
dirt median inbetween and he would make <BR>sure we had room to do so! I was very low on fuel. But in the end, I didnt <BR>need to do that. When I landed just over the fence from the highway, I went <BR>over and thanked the officer for his assistance and to let him know that <BR>everything was ok. We shook hands and parted. I was glad he was there <BR>though. If I needed to land in the median, he was there to help.<BR><BR>As Brian said, there are a few bad apples in every bunch and on Sunday <BR>morning, me and Regan must have had the apple that had the worm up's it's <BR>a** :)<BR><BR>Scott<BR>Team Ropingthewind<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in <BR>enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! <BR>http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es<BR><BR>____________________________________________________________<BR>Az-Geocaching mailing list listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR>To
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