[Az-Geocaching] Re: Cops and suspicion

Brian Casteel listserv@azgeocaching.com
Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:33:30 -0700


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You know, the inevitable thing in a junkies world is that they would =
eventually trade the GPS for drugs.  Oh, the irony.

Brian
Team A.I.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Bill=20
  To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:27 AM
  Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re: Cops and suspicion


  Anyone who participates in Geocaching thinking that their activities =
will not arouse suspicion is deluding themself.  For many years, the =
only people who put little tins under a park bench with a magnet were =
spies.  They used them to pass messages.  This is know as a "dead drop." =
 I'm sure they are still using them.

  In addition, hidden "caches" are used by drug dealers and their =
customers to exchange drugs and money, and these people often use a GPS =
to further their criminal activity.  If you are a buyer, you get money =
to a drug dealer and then someone else calls you to give you the GPS =
location where you can go and retrieve your goods.  This makes it harder =
for law enforcement to get the chain of evidence they need to make the =
charges stick.  In court, it is easy for the dealer to say you were just =
paying back money you had borrowed and he has no idea who called you =
about the drugs.  The person who took the money, the person who placed =
the drugs, and the person who called with the location are all different =
people, and it is not easy to prove the connection.  It isn't even easy =
to catch the person who places the drugs since locations are not usually =
used more than once.

  Because of these activities, a police officer who observes you =
retrieving something under a park bench or looking for a hidden box in =
the woods may well suspect that you are a spy or a druggie.  The fact =
is, you are acting like one.  His suspicion is justified.

  I agree that the officer should be polite and not make threats like =
those reported in the recent incident, and if a cop gets out of line, =
report them.  They take these reports seriously.  However, to say that =
law enforcement should just ignore you when you act like a druggie or =
spy is certainly not the answer, either.  Right now, many don't know =
about geocaching, but even when they do, it won't make a difference.  If =
I was a druggie out looking for my goods and I was approached by a cop, =
I would tell him I was geocaching.  It is unfortunate, but our sport =
provides an excellent cover for those engaged in these illegal =
activities, and it is naive to expect cops to ignore us.

  Bill in Willcox
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know, the inevitable thing in a =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Brian</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Team A.I.</FONT></DIV>
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  suspicion</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>Anyone who participates =
in=20
  Geocaching thinking that their activities will not arouse suspicion is =

  deluding themself.&nbsp; For many years, the only people who put =
little tins=20
  under a park bench with a magnet were spies.&nbsp; They used them to =
pass=20
  messages.&nbsp; This is know as a "dead drop."&nbsp; I'm sure they are =
still=20
  using them.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>In addition, hidden =
"caches" are=20
  used by drug dealers and their customers to exchange drugs and money, =
and=20
  these people often use a GPS to further their criminal activity.&nbsp; =
If you=20
  are a buyer, you get money to a drug dealer&nbsp;and then someone else =
calls=20
  you to give you the GPS location where you can go and retrieve your=20
  goods.&nbsp; This makes it harder for law enforcement to get the chain =
of=20
  evidence they need to make the charges stick.&nbsp; In court, it is =
easy for=20
  the dealer to say you were just paying back money you had borrowed and =
he has=20
  no idea who called you about the drugs.&nbsp; The person who took the =
money,=20
  the person who placed the drugs, and the person who called with the =
location=20
  are all different people, and it is not easy to prove the =
connection.&nbsp; It=20
  isn't even easy to catch the person who places the drugs since =
locations are=20
  not usually used more than once.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>Because of these =
activities, a=20
  police officer who observes you&nbsp;retrieving something under a park =
bench=20
  or looking for a hidden box in the woods may well suspect that you are =
a spy=20
  or a druggie.&nbsp; The fact is, you are acting like one.&nbsp; His =
suspicion=20
  is justified.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>I agree that the =
officer should be=20
  polite and not make threats like those reported in the recent =
incident, and if=20
  a cop gets out of line, report them.&nbsp; They take these reports=20
  seriously.&nbsp; However, to say that law enforcement should just =
ignore you=20
  when you act like a druggie or spy is certainly not the answer, =
either.&nbsp;=20
  Right now, many don't know about geocaching, but even when they do, it =
won't=20
  make a difference.&nbsp; If I was a druggie out looking for my goods =
and I was=20
  approached by a cop, I would tell him I was geocaching.&nbsp; It is=20
  unfortunate, but our sport provides an excellent cover for those =
engaged in=20
  these illegal activities, and it is naive to expect cops to ignore=20
  us.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" size=3D2>Bill in=20
Willcox</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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