[Az-Geocaching] Without "vacation" geocaches, some areas may
never see a cache
Koch, Dan
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Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:11:18 -0700
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hay-suess creesto!
Do you have to start this up again? He DID say "That is the kind of place
where I THINK more caches need to be." (emphasis mine)
See? He THINKS more caches should be like this, which is otherwise known as
his OPINION! Nothing he said could possibly be construed to mean that
Geocaching.com should exclude 'those less physically able'...at least not by
anyone without an axe to grind.
Sheesh...
LazyK - Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Ayre [mailto:andy@britishideas.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:35 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Without "vacation" geocaches, some areas may
never see a cache
You mean what YOU THINK it should be. Not what it should be. Right? I'm sure
you were expressing your own opinion rather than wanting Geocaching to
exclude those less physically able.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]On Behalf Of Ken
Akerman
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:20 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Without "vacation" geocaches, some areas may never
see a cache
Vacation caches are not always a bad idea. For example, I sometimes travel
to areas that don't have a very high population density and have few or no
caches. Such areas may have many great places to visit, places with
excellent hiking trails and scenery, and many ideal locations to place
caches. Unfortunately, I travel through many such areas where I would like
to go out and find a cache, but there is no cache to be found.
If there are no people living in the area who are willing and able to place
caches, then why shouldn't I, or any other geocacher, place a cache in such
a location? Such areas need more caches - why should so many great scenic
and beautiful areas have few or no caches, while an urban area like Phoenix
has an overabundance of caches?
If a cache is well-hidden in a remote area using a durable container like an
ammo can, then the cache should last for many years without having to
"maintain" it. For example, there is a cache on the summit
<http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3a835fcc-ff0d-4d32-9
ed1-2a831678a627> of Kings Peak, the highest point of Utah. That is the
kind of place where I think more caches need to be. This is a cache,
however, that one cannot be expected to go out and check on within short
notice, even if the cache owner lives nearby. Getting to the summit of
Kings Peak and back takes about two days and is accessible to most people
only during the summer months.
For example, on my last trip I was in Wyoming, and I found several caches in
the state. However, many parts of the state have few or no caches, because
the population of Wyoming is the lowest of any state. Therefore,
low-population density regions like Wyoming need the help from people
traveling through the state to increase the number of caches in the state.
Also, geocachers from the Phoenix area should be encouraged to place more
caches in those parts of Arizona that don't have many caches.
Therefore, geocachers traveling through areas with few or no active
geocachers and few or no caches should be encouraged to place new caches, as
long as such caches are well-hidden using durable containers. This will
help make geocaching more like what it really should be - a
physically-challenging outdoor adventure activity that one can do anywhere
in the world.
Ken Akerman (a.k.a. Highpointer)
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<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>hay-suess creesto!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>Do you have to start this up again? </FONT></FONT></SPAN>He
DID say "<FONT size=3><FONT color=#000000><FONT face="Times New Roman">That is
the kind of place where I THINK<EM> </EM>more caches need to
be</FONT>.</FONT></FONT>" (emphasis mine)</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>See? He THINKS more caches should be like this, which is otherwise
known as his OPINION! Nothing he said could possibly be construed to
mean that Geocaching.com should exclude 'those less physically able'...at least
not by anyone without an axe to grind.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Sheesh...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=982585821-22072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>LazyK
- Dan</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Andrew Ayre
[mailto:andy@britishideas.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:35
PM<BR><B>To:</B> listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[Az-Geocaching] Without "vacation" geocaches, some areas may never see a
cache<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=055423321-22072003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
mean what YOU THINK it should be. Not what it should be. Right? I'm sure you
were expressing your own opinion rather than wanting Geocaching to exclude
those less physically able.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>Andy<BR><BR></FONT></P>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com]<B>On Behalf Of
</B>Ken Akerman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 22, 2003 12:20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Az-Geocaching] Without "vacation" geocaches, some areas may never see a
cache<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Vacation caches are not always a bad idea. For example, I
sometimes travel to areas that don't have a very high population density and
have few or no caches. Such areas may have many great places to visit,
places with excellent hiking trails and scenery, and many ideal locations to
place caches. Unfortunately, I travel through many such areas where I
would like to go out and find a cache, but there is no cache to be
found.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If there are no people living in the area who are willing and able
to place caches, then why shouldn't I, or any other geocacher, place a cache
in such a location? Such areas need more caches - why should so
many great scenic and beautiful areas have few or no caches, while
an urban area like Phoenix has an overabundance of caches? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If a cache is well-hidden in a remote area using a durable container
like an ammo can, then the cache should last for many years without having
to "maintain" it. For example, there is a cache on the <A
href="http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=3a835fcc-ff0d-4d32-9ed1-2a831678a627">summit
of Kings Peak</A>, the highest point of Utah. That is the kind of
place where I think more caches need to be. This is a cache, however,
that one cannot be expected to go out and check on within short notice, even
if the cache owner lives nearby. Getting to the summit of Kings
Peak and back takes about two days and is accessible to most people only
during the summer months.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For example, on my last trip I was in Wyoming, and I found several
caches in the state. However, many parts of the state have few or no
caches, because the population of Wyoming is the lowest of any state.
Therefore, low-population density regions like Wyoming need the help from
people traveling through the state to increase the number of caches in the
state. Also, geocachers from the Phoenix area should be encouraged to
place more caches in those parts of Arizona that don't have many
caches.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Therefore, geocachers traveling through areas with few or no active
geocachers and few or no caches should be encouraged to place new caches, as
long as such caches are well-hidden using durable containers. This
will help make geocaching more like what it really should be - a
physically-challenging outdoor adventure activity that one can do anywhere
in the world.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><STRONG>Ken Akerman</STRONG> (a.k.a.
<STRONG><EM>Highpointer</EM></STRONG>)</DIV>
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