[Az-Geocaching] Stats Again

Holmes, Richard listserv@azgeocaching.com
Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:59:55 -0700


Our total is correct, 294, but we have no out of state finds, you show 3;
all our finds are AZ. 

Dick
Creepin' Jeepers

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Experienced cacher requesting help      was RE:  newbie requesting
help (Loran  Wilcox)
   2. RE:Newbie Geocacher (skydad)
   3. Tiny GPS Chip... (Cody Brown)
   4. Re: RE:Newbie Geocacher (trisha@brasher.com)
   5. EasyGPS (Regan Smith)
   6. Re: RE:Newbie Geocacher (MARK STOUT)
   7. RE: EasyGPS (Team Tierra Buena)
   8. RE: Experienced cacher requesting help      was RE:  newbie requesting
help (Team Tierra Buena)
   9. Re: Experienced cacher requesting help      was RE:  newbie requesting
help (Loran  Wilcox)
  10. Re: RE:Newbie Geocacher (MARK STOUT)

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Message: 1
From: "Loran  Wilcox" <loranwilcox@chartermi.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Experienced cacher requesting help      was RE:
newbie requesting help
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:24:14 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Scott.

You better start finding the hard ones if you want to be the first to grab
my second place posistion there in Arizona. Think native tongue for key and
decryption using letter substitution.

Also thanks hiding yours after I left. I took a look at the topos and it
looks like it's going to be another easy one like Lost Ark. And you know me
I would have had to have gone for it.

Caching is a little different here. Caches buried in swap land and in the
sand. But I've learned one thing. Look in the hollow of the tree.

I'm already starting trouble here. Had a cache archived. I know bad bad
thing to do. But then it was within posted private property, in an abandend
wast treatment facility. Open manhole covers, missing grates, and stagnent
water everywhere. This one was the most dangerous cache I've come across
yet.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Nicol" <arizcowboy@hotmail.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:20 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Experienced cacher requesting help was RE: newbie
requesting help


>
>
>
> >From: "Holmes, Richard" <reholmes@bechtel.com>
> >Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >To: "'listserv@azgeocaching.com'" <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
> >Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] newbie requesting help
> >Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 07:51:43 -0700
> >
> >OBTW, as I remember TH said something about the coyote as a trickster;
> >disregard, concentrate on the decryption.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Heather Drake [mailto:h3rdr8k@ispwest.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 7:47 AM
> >To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> >Subject: [Az-Geocaching] newbie requesting help
> >
> >
> >I am attempting the "19th Hole" by Tres Hombres.  After about 3 nights of
> >looking at the puzzle, I can't figure out how to decipher it.  Any hints
> >would be greatly appreciated.  I've done the first part where I went to
the
> >coordinates and got the word and put it in the tongue of the Tres
Hombres.
> >My inner coyote just isn't howling to me on this one.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Heather (aka Darsantre in her log sigs)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Heck. I have 354 cache finds and I STILL have not found 19th
> Hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> :)  :(
>
> Team Ropingthewind
> Scott
>
>
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Message: 2
From: "skydad" <skydad@cox.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:26:14 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE:Newbie Geocacher
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

I totally agree with the newbie and their comments on how negative this list
serv has gotten over the months.  It seems are beloved sport/hobby has
become a way of life for many people and lost site of the true reason most
of us started geocaching in the first place.  How many people have simply
stopped reading the emails without voicing their concerns as did our newest
members?  How many other new people will shy away due to the negative almost
professional like attitude people are now taking?  I think we all started to
enjoy the adventure and finding spots we never knew existed in our great
state.  Along the way we have been lucky to meet some really great people.
We can only hope the great effort the people at Snaptek have put forth is
not wasted with people taking this all too seriuosly.
The Lunch Club


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Message: 3
To: az-geocaching@listserv.snaptek.com
From: "Cody Brown" <Brown.Cody@orbital.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:36:02 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Tiny GPS Chip...
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/09/24/motorola.chip.reut/index.html


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Message: 4
From: trisha@brasher.com
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE:Newbie Geocacher
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:03:43 -0700 (PDT)
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

I agree, Skydad, for the most part. There are, however, a few things
that need to be taken seriously, for the benefit of ALL in geocaching;
hence, the upcoming meeting with the "land supervisors," as an example.

While geocaching IS a hobby/sport, some more serious than for others,
there are a few issues that need to be addressed. And addressing these
issues, in my opinion, is best done by those with a "professional"
attitude (which is a positive thing.)

That's my 2 cents, since we all have a right to voice an opinion, I
think. 

Trisha
"Lightning"
Prescott








On Tue, 24 September 2002, "skydad" wrote:

> 
> I totally agree with the newbie and their comments on how negative
> this list
> serv has gotten over the months.  It seems are beloved sport/hobby
has
> become a way of life for many people and lost site of the true reason
> most
> of us started geocaching in the first place.  How many people have
> simply
> stopped reading the emails without voicing their concerns as did our
> newest
> members?  How many other new people will shy away due to the negative
> almost
> professional like attitude people are now taking?  I think we all
> started to
> enjoy the adventure and finding spots we never knew existed in our
> great
> state.  Along the way we have been lucky to meet some really great
> people.
> We can only hope the great effort the people at Snaptek have put
forth
> is
> not wasted with people taking this all too seriuosly.
> The Lunch Club
> 
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Message: 5
From: "Regan Smith" <buggers@mindspring.com>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] EasyGPS
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

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Alright so I have decided to start using the GCnumbers and entering the =
Coordinates Electronically to my GPS to assist in my Geocaching.. but =
for some reason am unable to combine the caches I down load from the =
Mainsite as only 2 or 3 per page that I want to go after..I know I could =
download the entire list from the AZ site but there are just so many =
caches that I need to go to it takes a VERY long time...

Thanks in Advance


Team Evil Fish
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Message: 6
From: "MARK STOUT" <mstout722@cox.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE:Newbie Geocacher
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:25:40 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

As two great men once said
We thank you for your support.

As a once great organization once (still) said
Whoah!!!!!

As I am about to say
Thank you for your understanding!

Mark Stout,


----- Original Message -----
From: "skydad" <skydad@cox.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 4:26 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE:Newbie Geocacher


> I totally agree with the newbie and their comments on how negative this
list
> serv has gotten over the months.  It seems are beloved sport/hobby has
> become a way of life for many people and lost site of the true reason most
> of us started geocaching in the first place.  How many people have simply
> stopped reading the emails without voicing their concerns as did our
newest
> members?  How many other new people will shy away due to the negative
almost
> professional like attitude people are now taking?  I think we all started
to
> enjoy the adventure and finding spots we never knew existed in our great
> state.  Along the way we have been lucky to meet some really great people.
> We can only hope the great effort the people at Snaptek have put forth is
> not wasted with people taking this all too seriuosly.
> The Lunch Club
>
> _______________________________________________
> Az-Geocaching mailing list
> listserv@azgeocaching.com
> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
>
> Arizona's Geocaching Resource
> http://www.azgeocaching.com


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Message: 7
From: "Team Tierra Buena" <teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] EasyGPS
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:38:59 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

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Fish,
 
If I understand correctly what you're trying to do, you may need to grab
another piece of freeware called GeoBuddy (http://www.geobuddy.com),
which has now been acquired by TopoGrafix, the same outfit that makes
EasyGPS. GeoBuddy will let you merge the downloads into a single file.
 
But, if you DO download the azgeocaching waypoint file, are you aware
that in EasyGPS you can just CTRL-click on the waypoints you want, then
right click, and only download the selected waypoints into your GPS? You
can do one waypoint or several.
 
And if I'm not understanding what you're trying to accomplish,
straighten me out.
 
Steve
Team Tierra Buena

-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
Regan Smith
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 7:16 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] EasyGPS


Alright so I have decided to start using the GCnumbers and entering the
Coordinates Electronically to my GPS to assist in my Geocaching.. but
for some reason am unable to combine the caches I down load from the
Mainsite as only 2 or 3 per page that I want to go after..I know I could
download the entire list from the AZ site but there are just so many
caches that I need to go to it takes a VERY long time...
 
Thanks in Advance
 
 
Team Evil Fish


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<DIV><SPAN class=3D133193102-25092002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
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color=3D#0000ff>If I=20
understand correctly what you're trying to do, you may need to =
grab&nbsp;=20
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href=3D"http://www.geobuddy.com">http://www.geobuddy.com</A>), which has =
now been=20
acquired by TopoGrafix, the same outfit that makes EasyGPS. GeoBuddy =
will let=20
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EasyGPS=20
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if I'm not understanding what you're trying to accomplish, straighten me =

out.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D133193102-25092002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Steve</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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to assist=20
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I down=20
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after..I know=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks in Advance</FONT></DIV>
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Message: 8
From: "Team Tierra Buena" <teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Experienced cacher requesting help      was RE:
newbie requesting help
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:38:59 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

> I'm already starting trouble here. Had a cache archived. I 
> know bad bad thing to do. But then it was within posted 
> private property, in an abandend wast treatment facility. 
> Open manhole covers, missing grates, and stagnent water 
> everywhere. This one was the most dangerous cache I've come 
> across yet.

Loran,

Does that mean I'm finally off the hook for "West Side Story"? ;-)

Steve
Team Tierra Buena


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Message: 9
From: "Loran  Wilcox" <loranwilcox@chartermi.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Experienced cacher requesting help      was RE:
newbie requesting help
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:10:50 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Steve

You were off the hook right away because you did the right thing as soon as
you knew of the trouble and archived it.

The cache here was placed by a guy with only 2 finds and was in a very wrong
and dangerous location. It's marked unavailable now so hopefully the problem
will be corrected.

I know some people will think it is wrong to question someone's placement of
a cache but when there is something truly wrong with a cache we need to
speak up. We don't need to give the media another reason to pick on our
game.

Loran (Team Sand Dollar)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Team Tierra Buena" <teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] Experienced cacher requesting help was RE:
newbie requesting help


> > I'm already starting trouble here. Had a cache archived. I
> > know bad bad thing to do. But then it was within posted
> > private property, in an abandend wast treatment facility.
> > Open manhole covers, missing grates, and stagnent water
> > everywhere. This one was the most dangerous cache I've come
> > across yet.
>
> Loran,
>
> Does that mean I'm finally off the hook for "West Side Story"? ;-)
>
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
>
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Message: 10
From: "MARK STOUT" <mstout722@cox.net>
To: <listserv@azgeocaching.com>
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE:Newbie Geocacher
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:22:06 -0700
Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com

Okay Trish,

Which definition are we using for "Professional" when referring to a
volunteer individual sport/hobby?

1.    Of, relating to, engaged in, or suitable for a profession: lawyers,
doctors, and other professional people.
2.    Conforming to the standards of a profession: professional behavior.
3.    Engaging in a given activity as a source of livelihood or as a career:
a professional writer.
4.    Performed by persons receiving pay: professional football.
5.    Having or showing great skill; expert: a professional repair job.

Because I'm confused as to what a "professional attitude" is;  about
something that is not sanctioned, endorsed, certified or by any other
standard: regulated.
How does a person not living in and around Arizona judge those things that
are good for Arizona?  Should we also judge/regulate those things for
European countries/ Asian countries whose beliefs and cultures are different
from ours yet are apart of the Geocache?   I am just asking a question as a
person who has been exposed to many "types" of cultures and because of this,
I would no sooner tell others to what they can and/or can not do as I would
tell them how to vote or prey.
It may seem like an extreme position from your perspective, but than I think
what you have said establishes the ground rules for some to step in and
start regulating this "amateur" hobby/sport, which in turn goes against ones
own belief and oh yeah something established by the declaration of
independence [one of those unalienable rights rights things] "pursuit of
Happiness"  which we are giving up when people are subject to the will or
decisions of others who are not elected officials.



> I agree, Skydad, for the most part. There are, however, a few things
> that need to be taken seriously, for the benefit of ALL in geocaching;
> hence, the upcoming meeting with the "land supervisors," as an example.
>
> While geocaching IS a hobby/sport, some more serious than for others,
> there are a few issues that need to be addressed. And addressing these
> issues, in my opinion, is best done by those with a "professional"
> attitude (which is a positive thing.)
>
> That's my 2 cents, since we all have a right to voice an opinion, I
> think.
>
> Trisha
> "Lightning"
> Prescott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 24 September 2002, "skydad" wrote:
>
> >
> > I totally agree with the newbie and their comments on how negative
> > this list
> > serv has gotten over the months.  It seems are beloved sport/hobby
> has
> > become a way of life for many people and lost site of the true reason
> > most
> > of us started geocaching in the first place.  How many people have
> > simply
> > stopped reading the emails without voicing their concerns as did our
> > newest
> > members?  How many other new people will shy away due to the negative
> > almost
> > professional like attitude people are now taking?  I think we all
> > started to
> > enjoy the adventure and finding spots we never knew existed in our
> > great
> > state.  Along the way we have been lucky to meet some really great
> > people.
> > We can only hope the great effort the people at Snaptek have put
> forth
> > is
> > not wasted with people taking this all too seriuosly.
> > The Lunch Club
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Az-Geocaching mailing list
> > listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > <a
>
href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman
/listinfo/az-geocaching">http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/a
z-geocaching</a>
> >
> > Arizona's Geocaching Resource
> > <a
>
href="http://mail.brasher.com//jump/http://www.azgeocaching.com">http://www.
azgeocaching.com</a>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Although no one can go back and
> make a brand new start,
> Anyone can start from now and
> make a brand new ending."
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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