[Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards
Richard Pinnell
listserv@azgeocaching.com
Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:12:24 -0700
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MessageGeocachers Against Stewards Badmouthing All Geocachers....GASBAG. =
lol
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Team Tierra Buena=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from =
the site stewards
I am NOT trying to defend this woman, but she does say "as of =
September 5", which was three weeks before the meeting. It's probably =
true that there hadn't been any caches pulled at that time.
But I'd love to know how many members of SAGAS there are.
Maybe we could form Geocachers Against Stewards Badmouthing All =
Geocachers.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of =
WOLFB8
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:26 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information =
from the site stewards
oooppppssss there a few errors from the scan and being her phone =
number did not scan correctly so here is the number =
(928)684-1670...just incase some knows how to fix a fence post the =
number 2 major issue in her area
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----=20
From: WOLFB8=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information =
from the site stewards
This is the second article that ken found ....scanned in
Hassayampa Region
Submitted by
Shelley Rasmussen, Regional Coordinator
We seem to be gradually working toward settling the issue of =
geacaching that h05 impacted several archaeclogical sites in the area. =
There has been communication with the geo-cachers, who have told us that =
they would move their yea- caches away from the sites and take the =
coordinates off the internet. As of September 5, no one has removed the =
geo-caches in question. Perhaps by the time this newsletter is out, we
will hove more[6 success. A~- long vs the archaeological sites are =
on their website, anyone (including looters) hove free access to the =
location of these sites. I would like to thank the Stewards Against =
Geo-caching Archaeological Sites (SAGAS) who hove helped so much, us =
well as those from other regions who hove volunteered their time and =
effort - some hove helped who are not even Site Stewards. This has been =
a group effort and I hope to be able to say at some point that it will =
be a success story
There is another important issue with which this region is =
dealing. Two historic cemeteries hove each had a corner post fail down =
and some of the barbed wire fencing is laying on the ground. Is there =
anyone with some knowledge of fence repair who can help to fix these =
fences? If so, please contact me at (928) 684~~67O.
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information =
from the site stewards
I agree it is nice to see that there are rational minds =
among the Site Stewards. I think the most disturbing comment that Shelly =
Rasmussen made in the November issue of the Site Stewards newsletter is =
contained on page 8 & 9. In this section of the newsletter Shelly =
apparently has formed her own little anti geocaching group that she =
calls "Stewards Against Geocaching Archaeological Sites" (SAGAS). Her =
comments and extremely narrow views regarding our hobby appear to be =
deliberate acts to try and tear down the positive efforts that have been =
made to resolve conflicts. I think she is a very poor representative for =
a program that has very honorable intentions and I do not understand her =
blatant hatred of our hobby. She states in her column that no geocaches =
have been removed which is not true. Shortly after the meeting with the =
land managers I archived two of my caches that were near archaeological =
sites . Shelly fails to mention this fact in the newsletter.=20
Ken
WhereRWee?=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Team Tierra Buena=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis =
information from the site stewards
Jill,
Permit me to add my thanks for your post. It is comforting to =
know that we are not the objects of universal hostility among the Site =
Stewards.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Jill =
McCormick
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:06 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information =
from the site stewards
I just wanted to put in my two cents on this issue. I have =
been reading the messages regarding the article in the AZ Watch written =
by Shelly Rasmussen. I am a site steward and would like to say that she =
does not represent all site stewards, in fact, I think most site =
stewards disagree with her views. I do not geocache myself, but hope to =
in the near future. I am the regional coordinator for the Yuma Region =
and have an avid geocacher in my group. I also have a few sites with =
caches near them, but I have never had any trouble with vandalism at =
these sites. As a site steward our job is to monitor and carry out the =
wishes of the land managers, not be the police, judge, and jury =
regarding geocaching. As I understood it from speaking with Mary Estes, =
you had a productive meeting on September 27th, and had high hopes for =
future cooperation. I also understand that many landmanagers have no =
problem with geocaching, nor do they have policies against it. Please =
do not allow Ms. Rasmussen's comments to undo the good that has been =
done. I plan to speak to Mary Estes myself and ask her to no longer =
allow Ms. Rasmussen to publicly speak as if she was speaking for all =
site stewards. Hopefully this will put an end to this issue. Keep up =
the good work.
Sincerely,
Jill McCormick=20
Regional Coordinator Yuma-Quartzsite
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geocachers Against Stewards Badmouthing =
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Geocachers....GASBAG. lol</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dteamtierrabuena@earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net">Team Tierra Buena</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 07, =
2002 8:42=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua" =
color=3D#0000ff>I=20
am NOT trying to defend this woman, but she does say "as of September =
5",=20
which was three weeks before the meeting. It's probably true that =
there hadn't=20
been any caches pulled at that time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>But I'd love to know how many members of SAGAS there=20
are.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Maybe we could form Geocachers Against Stewards =
Badmouthing All=20
Geocachers.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Steve</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D652423203-08112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Team Tierra Buena</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=3Dleft><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>WOLFB8<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 07, 2002 8:26 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
listserv@azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: =
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site =
stewards<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>oooppppssss there a few errors from =
the scan=20
and being her phone number did not scan correctly so here is the=20
number (928)684-1670...just incase some knows how to fix =
a fence=20
post the number 2 major issue in her area</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>We will be known by the tracks we leave behind</DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DWolfb8@cox.net =
href=3D"mailto:Wolfb8@cox.net">WOLFB8</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November =
07, 2002=20
8:15 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching] RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D1>
<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is the second =
article that=20
ken found ....scanned in</FONT></P><B><FONT size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Hassayampa Region</P>
<P align=3Djustify>Submitted by</P>
<P align=3Djustify>Shelley Rasmussen, Regional Coordinator</P>
<P align=3Djustify></B></FONT><FONT size=3D3>We seem to be =
gradually working=20
toward settling the issue of geacaching that h05 impacted several=20
archaeclogical sites in the area. There has been communication =
with the=20
geo-cachers, who have told us that they would move their yea- =
caches away=20
from the sites and take the coordinates off the internet. As of =
September=20
5, no one has removed the geo-caches in question. Perhaps by the =
time this=20
newsletter is out, we</FONT></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P align=3Djustify>will hove <B>more[6 </B>success. A~- long vs =
the=20
archaeological sites are on their website, anyone (including =
looters) hove=20
free access to the location of these sites. I would like to thank =
the=20
Stewards Against Geo-caching Archaeological Sites (SAGAS) who hove =
helped=20
so much, us well as those from other regions who hove volunteered =
their=20
time and effort - some hove helped who are not even Site Stewards. =
This=20
has been a group effort and I hope to be able to say at some point =
that it=20
will be a success story</P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<P align=3Djustify>There is another important issue with which =
this region=20
is dealing. Two historic cemeteries hove each had a corner post =
fail down=20
and some of the barbed wire fencing is laying on the ground. Is =
there=20
anyone with some knowledge of fence repair who can help to fix =
these=20
fences? If so, please contact me at (928) 684~~67O.</P></DIV>
<DIV>We will be known by the tracks we leave behind</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkenh199@cox.net =
href=3D"mailto:kenh199@cox.net">Ken</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November =
07, 2002=20
7:48 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
[Az-Geocaching] RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> I agree it is nice to =
see that=20
there are rational minds among the Site Stewards. I think the =
most=20
disturbing comment that Shelly Rasmussen made in the November =
issue of=20
the Site Stewards newsletter is contained on page 8 =
& 9. In=20
this section of the newsletter Shelly apparently has =
formed her own=20
little anti geocaching group that she calls "Stewards =
Against=20
Geocaching Archaeological Sites" (SAGAS). Her comments and =
extremely=20
narrow views regarding our hobby appear to be =
deliberate=20
acts to try and tear down the positive efforts that have =
been made=20
to resolve conflicts. I think she is a very poor =
representative for=20
a program that has very honorable intentions and I do =
not=20
understand her blatant hatred of our hobby. She states in her =
column=20
that no geocaches have been removed which is not true. Shortly =
after the=20
meeting with the land managers I archived two of my caches that=20
were near archaeological sites . Shelly fails to mention =
this fact=20
in the newsletter. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ken</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>WhereRWee?</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dteamtierrabuena@earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net">Team Tierra =
Buena</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, =
November 06,=20
2002 8:06 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: =
[Az-Geocaching] RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Jill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Permit me to add my thanks for your post. It =
is=20
comforting to know that we are not the objects of universal =
hostility=20
among the Site Stewards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Steve</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Team Tierra Buena</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book =
Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocachi=
ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com</A>=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On =
Behalf Of=20
</B>Jill McCormick<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 06, =
2002 5:06=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
[Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the =
site=20
stewards<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: =
#0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just wanted to put in my =
two cents on=20
this issue. I have been reading the messages regarding =
the=20
article in the AZ Watch written by Shelly Rasmussen. I =
am a=20
site steward and would like to say that she does not =
represent all=20
site stewards, in fact, I think most site stewards disagree =
with her=20
views. I do not geocache myself, but hope to in the =
near=20
future. I am the regional coordinator for the Yuma =
Region and=20
have an avid geocacher in my group. I also have a few =
sites=20
with caches near them, but I have never had any trouble with =
vandalism at these sites. As a site steward our job is =
to=20
monitor and carry out the wishes of the land managers, not =
be the=20
police, judge, and jury regarding geocaching. As I =
understood=20
it from speaking with Mary Estes, you had a productive =
meeting on=20
September 27th, and had high hopes for future cooperation. I =
also=20
understand that many landmanagers have no problem with=20
geocaching, nor do they have policies against it. =
Please=20
do not allow Ms. Rasmussen's comments to undo the good that =
has been=20
done. I plan to speak to Mary Estes myself and ask her =
to no=20
longer allow Ms. Rasmussen to publicly speak as if she was =
speaking=20
for all site stewards. Hopefully this will put an end =
to this=20
issue. Keep up the good work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jill McCormick =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regional Coordinator=20
=
Yuma-Quartzsite</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOC=
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