[Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards
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MessageThis is the second article that ken found ....scanned in
Hassayampa Region
Submitted by
Shelley Rasmussen, Regional Coordinator
We seem to be gradually working toward settling the issue of geacaching =
that h05 impacted several archaeclogical sites in the area. There has =
been communication with the geo-cachers, who have told us that they =
would move their yea- caches away from the sites and take the =
coordinates off the internet. As of September 5, no one has removed the =
geo-caches in question. Perhaps by the time this newsletter is out, we
will hove more[6 success. A~- long vs the archaeological sites are on =
their website, anyone (including looters) hove free access to the =
location of these sites. I would like to thank the Stewards Against =
Geo-caching Archaeological Sites (SAGAS) who hove helped so much, us =
well as those from other regions who hove volunteered their time and =
effort - some hove helped who are not even Site Stewards. This has been =
a group effort and I hope to be able to say at some point that it will =
be a success story
There is another important issue with which this region is dealing. Two =
historic cemeteries hove each had a corner post fail down and some of =
the barbed wire fencing is laying on the ground. Is there anyone with =
some knowledge of fence repair who can help to fix these fences? If so, =
please contact me at (928) 684~~67O.
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ken=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from =
the site stewards
I agree it is nice to see that there are rational minds among the =
Site Stewards. I think the most disturbing comment that Shelly Rasmussen =
made in the November issue of the Site Stewards newsletter is contained =
on page 8 & 9. In this section of the newsletter Shelly apparently has =
formed her own little anti geocaching group that she calls "Stewards =
Against Geocaching Archaeological Sites" (SAGAS). Her comments and =
extremely narrow views regarding our hobby appear to be deliberate acts =
to try and tear down the positive efforts that have been made to resolve =
conflicts. I think she is a very poor representative for a program that =
has very honorable intentions and I do not understand her blatant hatred =
of our hobby. She states in her column that no geocaches have been =
removed which is not true. Shortly after the meeting with the land =
managers I archived two of my caches that were near archaeological sites =
. Shelly fails to mention this fact in the newsletter.=20
Ken
WhereRWee?=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Team Tierra Buena=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information =
from the site stewards
Jill,
Permit me to add my thanks for your post. It is comforting to know =
that we are not the objects of universal hostility among the Site =
Stewards.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com =
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of Jill =
McCormick
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:06 PM
To: az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from =
the site stewards
I just wanted to put in my two cents on this issue. I have been =
reading the messages regarding the article in the AZ Watch written by =
Shelly Rasmussen. I am a site steward and would like to say that she =
does not represent all site stewards, in fact, I think most site =
stewards disagree with her views. I do not geocache myself, but hope to =
in the near future. I am the regional coordinator for the Yuma Region =
and have an avid geocacher in my group. I also have a few sites with =
caches near them, but I have never had any trouble with vandalism at =
these sites. As a site steward our job is to monitor and carry out the =
wishes of the land managers, not be the police, judge, and jury =
regarding geocaching. As I understood it from speaking with Mary Estes, =
you had a productive meeting on September 27th, and had high hopes for =
future cooperation. I also understand that many landmanagers have no =
problem with geocaching, nor do they have policies against it. Please =
do not allow Ms. Rasmussen's comments to undo the good that has been =
done. I plan to speak to Mary Estes myself and ask her to no longer =
allow Ms. Rasmussen to publicly speak as if she was speaking for all =
site stewards. Hopefully this will put an end to this issue. Keep up =
the good work.
Sincerely,
Jill McCormick=20
Regional Coordinator Yuma-Quartzsite
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<P align=3Djustify><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is the second =
article that ken=20
found ....scanned in</FONT></P><B><FONT size=3D2>
<P align=3Djustify>Hassayampa Region</P>
<P align=3Djustify>Submitted by</P>
<P align=3Djustify>Shelley Rasmussen, Regional Coordinator</P>
<P align=3Djustify></B></FONT><FONT size=3D3>We seem to be gradually =
working toward=20
settling the issue of geacaching that h05 impacted several =
archaeclogical sites=20
in the area. There has been communication with the geo-cachers, who have =
told us=20
that they would move their yea- caches away from the sites and take the=20
coordinates off the internet. As of September 5, no one has removed the=20
geo-caches in question. Perhaps by the time this newsletter is out,=20
we</FONT></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P align=3Djustify>will hove <B>more[6 </B>success. A~- long vs the =
archaeological=20
sites are on their website, anyone (including looters) hove free access =
to the=20
location of these sites. I would like to thank the Stewards Against =
Geo-caching=20
Archaeological Sites (SAGAS) who hove helped so much, us well as those =
from=20
other regions who hove volunteered their time and effort - some hove =
helped who=20
are not even Site Stewards. This has been a group effort and I hope to =
be able=20
to say at some point that it will be a success story</P>
<P align=3Djustify></P>
<P align=3Djustify>There is another important issue with which this =
region is=20
dealing. Two historic cemeteries hove each had a corner post fail down =
and some=20
of the barbed wire fencing is laying on the ground. Is there anyone with =
some=20
knowledge of fence repair who can help to fix these fences? If so, =
please=20
contact me at (928) 684~~67O.</P></DIV>
<DIV>We will be known by the tracks we leave behind</DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dkenh199@cox.net href=3D"mailto:kenh199@cox.net">Ken</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 07, =
2002 7:48=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching] =
RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial> I agree it is nice to see =
that there=20
are rational minds among the Site Stewards. I think the most =
disturbing=20
comment that Shelly Rasmussen made in the November issue of the Site =
Stewards=20
newsletter is contained on page 8 & 9. In this section of the =
newsletter Shelly apparently has formed her own little anti =
geocaching=20
group that she calls "Stewards Against Geocaching Archaeological =
Sites"=20
(SAGAS). Her comments and extremely narrow =
views regarding our=20
hobby appear to be deliberate acts to try and tear down =
the positive=20
efforts that have been made to resolve conflicts. I think she is =
a very=20
poor representative for a program that has very honorable intentions=20
and I do not understand her blatant hatred of our hobby. She =
states=20
in her column that no geocaches have been removed which is not true. =
Shortly=20
after the meeting with the land managers I archived two of my caches =
that=20
were near archaeological sites . Shelly fails to mention this =
fact=20
in the newsletter. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Ken</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>WhereRWee?</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dteamtierrabuena@earthlink.net=20
href=3D"mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net">Team Tierra Buena</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 06, =
2002 8:06=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Az-Geocaching] =
RE:=20
grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Jill,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Permit me to add my thanks for your post. It is =
comforting to=20
know that we are not the objects of universal hostility among the =
Site=20
Stewards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Steve</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff>Team Tierra Buena</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002><FONT face=3D"Book Antiqua"=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D414150003-07112002></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com">az-geocachi=
ng-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com</A>=20
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] <B>On Behalf =
Of=20
</B>Jill McCormick<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 06, 2002 5:06 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
az-geocaching@listserv.azgeocaching.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
[Az-Geocaching] RE: grrrrrrrrr more mis information from the site=20
stewards<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff =
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just wanted to put in my two =
cents on this=20
issue. I have been reading the messages regarding the =
article in the=20
AZ Watch written by Shelly Rasmussen. I am a site steward =
and would=20
like to say that she does not represent all site stewards, in =
fact, I=20
think most site stewards disagree with her views. I do not =
geocache=20
myself, but hope to in the near future. I am the regional=20
coordinator for the Yuma Region and have an avid geocacher in my=20
group. I also have a few sites with caches near them, but I =
have=20
never had any trouble with vandalism at these sites. As a =
site=20
steward our job is to monitor and carry out the wishes of the land =
managers, not be the police, judge, and jury regarding =
geocaching. =20
As I understood it from speaking with Mary Estes, you had a =
productive=20
meeting on September 27th, and had high hopes for future =
cooperation. I=20
also understand that many landmanagers have no problem with=20
geocaching, nor do they have policies against it. =
Please do not=20
allow Ms. Rasmussen's comments to undo the good that has been =
done. =20
I plan to speak to Mary Estes myself and ask her to no longer =
allow Ms.=20
Rasmussen to publicly speak as if she was speaking for all site=20
stewards. Hopefully this will put an end to this =
issue. Keep=20
up the good work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jill McCormick </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regional Coordinator=20
=
Yuma-Quartzsite</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY=
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