[Az-Geocaching] gggrrrrrrrrrr more mis infromation from the site stewards
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Mike and Gale below is the article that is being talked about right =
now......
I guess what really has me upset at this point in time is that fact that =
the article is in the November 2002 issue of the watch.... this is over =
a month since the meeting happened...and there has been allot of time to =
rewrite it so that the true story was told...
the fact that all site stewards have now been misinformed and this was =
allowed... To me the way the article was place in the new letter did =
not look like a editorial....it reads the same as the rest of the new =
letter and seems to present it self as a "guild line to follow"
I am planning on attending the steward training program this month so =
hopefully will be allowed to respond to this article in the dec issues =
of the watch... =20
NEW OUT DOOR GAME IMPACTS ARCHAEOLOGY
By Shelley Rasmussen, Site Steward
in May oF 2000, the Clinton Administration took the restrictions off the =
OPS (Global Positioning System) to a!low the coordinates to be more =
accurate f0r civilians. Within a few days, geocaching was born. Since =
then, geocaching has become international, encompassing 134 countries =
and, as of August 2, 2002, there are over 34,000 active geocache sites. =
There are also over 800 geocaches in Arizona and the number is rt'sing =
exponentially.
what is geocaching? it is a high tech scavenger hunt that requires a =
computer; a OPS and in many cases a four wheel drive vehicle or an API. =
To play this game, the coordinates of a geocache are given on the =
internet, and then the idea is to go out into the field to find the =
cache, using a GPS. The cache is usually a Tupperware bow!, ammo can or =
plastic bucket. Within the container am trinkets or toys that the =
geocachers are to take one and leave one and return to the web site to =
disCuss their adventure, as well as, to keep track of how many geocaches =
they have Found. This is a great way to hone your navigational skills =
and a fun Family or group experience.
The problem that we have, as Site Stewards and members of the =
archaeological community, is that there are many archaeological sites =
that are being used for placing geocaches. The impact to these =
archaeological sites has been dramatic with artifacts being removed and =
in some cases the confidentiality of the location of the sites having =
been compromised. The environmental impact is also damaging, where the =
ATV's have driven off the roads and beaten new trails to the sites.
There is a rule on the geocache web site
o ~AMP~klPAC Lb
that claims that permission shouid be asked to place the cache whether =
it is located on private or pu6lic land. There is also a paragraph that =
states that as of May 28, 2002, archaeological sites are not to be used =
for geocaching and any caches located at or near an archaeological site =
should be moved. So far, no one has acknowledged this rule.
The land managers are working on pollcies dealing with this issue. =
Arizona State Land Department has proclaimed that geocaching is not =
allowed on Arizona State Trust Lands and geocaches will be confiscated =
and in order to claim their cache, the coordinates are given to the =
downtown office for Arizona State Trust Lands. BtM~s policy is that =
geocoching is permitted on their public land us long as the geocachers =
stay out of wilderness areas as well as cultural resource sites and =
special fragile areas. Maricopa County Parks discourages geacaching in =
the County ~arks and, not allowing geocachiny at archaeological sites,
We have no problem with geocaching, as long as the geocachers follow =
their own rules and stay away from the archaeological sites and be =
careful not to impact the environment in a negative way. We just ask for =
responsible geocaching.
To find out if there is geocaching going on in your area, go to
AKChALQ<LP LY
http://www.geocaching.com and enter your zip code. You will get a list =
of geacaches in the area and when you select one, you will gala read out =
and a map showing the geocache locations, as well as the coordinates.
As thIs newsletter goes to print, Mary Estes, the State Program =
Coordinator and Steve Gross, representing the Arizona geocachers, are =
planning a meeting to open dialogue between the Arizona Site Stewards =
and the geocachers. Representatives of the Site Program and various land =
managers have also been invited. We will report the results of this =
meetin~ in the next
WATCH.
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----=20
From: mike and gale jett=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] gggrrrrrrrrrr more mis infromation from =
the site stewards
Some of us are in the dark as to what you are talking about. What and =
where=20
is this article Ms. Rasmussen has written that everyone is so upset =
about?=20
Sometimes I wonder if I get all the Listserv e-mail.
>From: Chelby Geiss <chelby@desertsol.com>
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] gggrrrrrrrrrr more mis infromation from =
the=20
>site stewards
>Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:07:34 -0700
>
>I have been staring at a black page for 30 minutes trying to put into =
words=20
>how I feel about this.
>
>I am curious...out of all of us who were paired up with a land agency =
at=20
>the meeting, how many of you made post-meeting contact and continue =
to=20
>contact?
>I scan the Gila River reservation once a month for any new caches and =
send=20
>an update to their representative...although I have yet to receive a=20
>response.
>
>I am trying to keep in mind that , yes, that article was written=20
>pre-September 27th...but it honestly makes my heart sink because some =
how=20
>I'm not sure she would have written the article any different after=20
>attending our meeting. I hope some good has come from that meeting =
though=20
>the other contacts we made that evening.
>C:)
>Team desertSol
>Chelby & Kevin
>+
>Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds)
>Apache Junction, AZ
>www.desertsol.com/~chelby/geocaching
>
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<DIV><STRONG>Mike and Gale below is the article that is being talked =
about right=20
now......</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I guess what really has me upset at this point in time is =
that fact=20
that the article is in the November 2002 issue of the watch.... this is =
over a=20
month since the meeting happened...and there has been allot of time to =
rewrite=20
it so that the true story was told...</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>the fact that all site stewards have now been misinformed =
and this=20
was allowed... To me the way the article was place in the new =
letter did=20
not look like a editorial....it reads the same as the rest of the new =
letter and=20
seems to present it self as a "guild line to follow"</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I am planning on attending the steward training program =
this month=20
so hopefully will be allowed to respond to this article in the dec =
issues of the=20
watch... </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>NEW OUT DOOR GAME IMPACTS ARCHAEOLOGY</STRONG></DIV>
<P align=3Dleft><STRONG>By Shelley Rasmussen, Site =
Steward</STRONG></P><FONT=20
size=3D1>
<P align=3Dleft>in May oF 2000, the Clinton <I>Administration </I>took =
the=20
<I>restrictions </I>off the OPS (Global Positioning System) to <I>a!low =
</I>the=20
coordinates to be more accurate f0r civilians. Within a few days, =
geocaching was=20
born. Since then, geocaching has become international, encompassing 134=20
countries and, as of August 2, 2002, there are over 34,000 active =
geocache=20
sites. There are also over 800 geocaches in Arizona and the number is =
rt'sing=20
exponentially.</P>
<P align=3Dleft></P></FONT><FONT size=3D4>
<P align=3Dleft>what </FONT><FONT size=3D1>is geocaching? it is a high =
tech=20
scavenger hunt that requires a computer; a OPS and in many cases a four =
wheel=20
drive vehicle or an API. To play this game, the coordinates of a =
geocache are=20
given on the internet, and then the idea is to go out into the field to =
find the=20
cache, using a GPS. The cache is usually a Tupperware bow!, ammo can or =
plastic=20
bucket. Within the container am trinkets or toys that the geocachers are =
to take=20
one and leave one and <I>return to </I>the web site to </FONT><FONT=20
size=3D1>disCuss </FONT><FONT size=3D1>their adventure, as well as, to =
keep track of=20
how many geocaches they have Found. This is a great way to hone your=20
navigational skills and a fun Family or group experience.</P>
<P align=3Dleft></P>
<P align=3Dleft>The problem that we have, as Site Stewards and members =
of the=20
archaeological community, is that there are many archaeological sites =
that are=20
being used <I>for </I>placing geocaches. The impact to these =
archaeological=20
sites has been dramatic with artifacts being removed and in some cases =
the=20
confidentiality of the location of the sites having been compromised. =
The=20
environmental impact is also damaging, where the ATV's have driven off =
the roads=20
and beaten new trails to the sites.</P>
<P align=3Dleft></P>
<P align=3Dleft>There is a rule on the geocache web site</P></FONT><FONT =
size=3D6>
<P align=3Dleft>o ~AMP~klPAC Lb</P>
<P align=3Dleft></P></FONT><FONT size=3D1>
<P align=3Dleft>that claims that permission shouid be asked to place the =
cache=20
whether it is located on private or pu6lic land. There is also a =
paragraph that=20
states that as of May 28, 2002, archaeological sites are not to be used =
for=20
geocaching and any caches located at or near an archaeological site =
should be=20
moved. So far, no one has acknowledged this rule.</P>
<P align=3Dleft></P>
<P align=3Dleft>The land managers are working on pollcies dealing with =
this issue.=20
Arizona State Land Department has proclaimed that geocaching is not =
allowed on=20
Arizona State Trust Lands and geocaches will be confiscated and in order =
to=20
claim their cache, the coordinates are given to the downtown office for =
Arizona=20
State Trust Lands. BtM~s policy is that geocoching is permitted on their =
public=20
land us long as the geocachers stay out of wilderness areas as well as =
cultural=20
resource sites and special fragile areas. Maricopa County Parks =
discourages=20
geacaching in the County ~arks and, not allowing geocachiny at =
archaeological=20
sites,</P>
<P align=3Dleft></P>
<P align=3Dleft>We have no problem with geocaching, as long as the =
geocachers=20
follow their own rules and stay away from the archaeological sites and =
be=20
careful not to impact the environment in a negative way. We just ask for =
responsible geocaching.</P>
<P align=3Dleft></P>
<P align=3Dleft>To find out if there is geocaching going on in your =
area, go=20
to</P></FONT><FONT size=3D6>
<P align=3Dleft>AKChALQ<LP LY</P>
<DIR></FONT><FONT size=3D1>
<P align=3Dleft>http://www.geocaching.com and enter your zip code. You =
will get a=20
list of geacaches in the area and when you select one, you will gala =
read out=20
<I>and a </I>map showing the geocache locations, as well as the =
coordinates.</P>
<P align=3Dleft></P>
<P align=3Dleft>As thIs newsletter goes to print, Mary Estes, the State =
Program=20
Coordinator and Steve Gross, representing the Arizona geocachers, are=20
<I>planning </I>a meeting to open dialogue between the Arizona Site =
Stewards and=20
the geocachers. Representatives of the Site Program and various land =
managers=20
have also been invited. We will report the results of this meetin~ in =
the=20
next</P></DIR>
<P align=3Dleft>WATCH.</P></FONT>
<DIV>We will be known by the tracks we leave behind</DIV>
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<A title=3Dsonoralovesmommy@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:sonoralovesmommy@hotmail.com">mike and gale jett</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dlistserv@azgeocaching.com=20
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href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 05, =
2002 5:17=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Az-Geocaching]=20
gggrrrrrrrrrr more mis infromation from the site stewards</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Some of us are in the dark as to what you are talking =
about.=20
What and where <BR>is this article Ms. Rasmussen has written that =
everyone is=20
so upset about? <BR>Sometimes I wonder if I get all the Listserv=20
e-mail.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: Chelby Geiss <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chelby@desertsol.com">chelby@desertsol.com</A>><BR>>=
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href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A><B=
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href=3D"mailto:listserv@azgeocaching.com">listserv@azgeocaching.com</A><B=
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Re: [Az-Geocaching] gggrrrrrrrrrr more mis infromation from the =
<BR>>site=20
stewards<BR>>Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:07:34 -0700<BR>><BR>>I =
have=20
been staring at a black page for 30 minutes trying to put into words=20
<BR>>how I feel about this.<BR>><BR>>I am curious...out of =
all of us=20
who were paired up with a land agency at <BR>>the meeting, how many =
of you=20
made post-meeting contact and continue to <BR>>contact?<BR>>I =
scan the=20
Gila River reservation once a month for any new caches and send =
<BR>>an=20
update to their representative...although I have yet to receive a=20
<BR>>response.<BR>><BR>>I am trying to keep in mind that , =
yes, that=20
article was written <BR>>pre-September 27th...but it honestly makes =
my=20
heart sink because some how <BR>>I'm not sure she would have =
written the=20
article any different after <BR>>attending our meeting. I =
hope some=20
good has come from that meeting though <BR>>the other contacts we =
made that=20
evening.<BR>>C:)<BR>>Team desertSol<BR>>Chelby &=20
Kevin<BR>>+<BR>>Kiva and Lancer (German Shepherds)<BR>>Apache =
Junction,=20
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