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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Nov 19 05:16:03 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 22:16:03 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] [OT] Security Implications with Web Based Greeting Cards
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Off-topic, yes, but I think it's important to get the word out on this.
Have you ever clicked on an End-User License Agreement without bothering
to read it? Me, too, but after reading this article I'll never let one
slip by again.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
10/30/2002 Subject: Security Implications with Web Based
03:32 PM Greeting Cards
Have you been receiving and sending a lot of Web based Greeting Cards?
If
you do, as a co-worker told me today that he sends them to a lot of
people,
you may want to read this article.
* SNEAK ATTACK THROUGH A LICENSE AGREEMENT
Have you ever received a Web-based greeting card from a friend or
relative? They're common these days, and they seem to be taken for
granted, in that people trust the intent of someone who might send
them a greeting card. People like to be greeted with kindness, so
they're inclined to look at and read the greeting card. It's one of
the feel-good things that many people simply can't resist.
Have you ever wondered why a company would spend its Internet
resources delivering free greeting cards on behalf of people with whom
it conducts no business otherwise? How does such an entity profit from
those endeavors? What might its motives be?
Last week, a user posted an interesting message to our HowTo for
Security mailing list regarding one company that delivers Web-based
greeting cards. That company, Permissioned Media, runs a Web site
called FriendGreetings.com, which lets one person send another person
an electronic greeting card. The friendly facilitation seems simple
and harmless, but it has a rather insidious side.
When you receive a greeting from FriendGreetings.com, the message says
that someone sent you the greeting and that to read it, you must click
a URL that takes you to the Web site hosting the greeting. When you
click the URL, you're prompted to install an ActiveX control before
you view the greeting. As the greeting-card recipient, you would
probably assume that you must install the ActiveX control to view the
greeting; however, that's not the case. Instead, FriendGreetings.com
has designed the ActiveX control, complete with an End User License
Agreement (EULA), to interact with your mail client software and
harvest information about your email contacts. After the ActiveX
control obtains your private contact list information, it sends a
similar greeting card to everyone in your contact list, probably
unbeknownst to you!
If you took time to read the EULA from FriendGreetings.com, you'd
discover that the EULA clearly states Permissioned Media's intention
to do just that. A section of the EULA reads, "As part of the
installation process, Permissioned Media will access your Microsoft
Outlook contacts list and send an e-mail to persons on your contacts
list inviting them to download FriendGreetings or related products."
By accepting the EULA and installing the ActiveX control, you give the
company permission to perform that activity.
In essence, the greeting cards that FriendGreetings.com delivers
resemble many worms that travel the Internet: They're parasitic,
intrusive, devious, elusive, and most of all, probably unwanted. Even
some antivirus vendors issued warnings about the greeting card last
week. However, we can't completely blame FriendGreetings.com for its
use because, although the company counts on most users' acceptance of
the unread EULA, the EULA does spell out some of its intention. By
agreeing to the EULA, users agree to the ActiveX control activity.
Nevertheless, the lesson here should be obvious: When you encounter a
EULA, don't take anything for granted. Read it word for word to
understand exactly what you're accepting and think through what the
consequences of acceptance might be.
Permissioned Media bills itself as a "behavioral marketing network"
with more than 100 clients that advertise online. The company also
operates Cool-Downloads.com. You can read Permissioned Media's EULA at
the URL below. Take note that it grants the company "the right to add
additional features or functions to the version of PerMedia you
install, or to add new applications to PerMedia, at any time." Yikes!
http://permissionedmedia.com/license.htm
If you've received a greeting card from FriendGreetings.com and
installed the associated ActiveX control, you might want to remove its
software from your system. To find out how, be sure to read the
related news article, "Protect Your Contact List: Read the EULA!" in
this newsletter.
http://www.secadministrator.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=27122
Source: Windows & .NET Magazine Security UPDATE--brought to you by
Security
Administrator, a print newsletter bringing you practical, how-to
articles about securing your Windows .NET Server, Windows 2000, and
Windows NT systems. (Contributed by Mark Joseph Edwards, News Editor)
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Nov 19 06:51:04 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:51:04 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] [OT] Security Implications with Web Based Greeting Cards
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References: <000a01c28f8a$c22049f0$c069dd18@OUR>
Message-ID: <200211182351.05047.brian@snaptek.com>
Greeting cards have always been about harvesting e-mail addresses. Hardly
anyone ever gives you something for nothing, and there are definatly not that
many people trying to give out free greeting cards. The company in the
article is just doing the step in their scummy e-mail harvesting technique.
I know that I used to get about a spam a month till my grandmother started
sending me tons and tons of web greeting cards. Now I get dozens a day. I
long ago asked her never to send another greeting card to me and explained
why, but once your address is on a mailing list... its ALWAYS on someone's
mailing list. I have e-mail boxes that havent even been valid for 4 or 5
years (They send the sender a unknown user error message) and they still
recieve spam on a regular basis.
Oh well, I can only make sure that I ONLY give my address(es) to businesses
that I know are good, and fake temporary addresses to people that I suspect I
don't want to know my real address.
Brian Cluff
Team Snaptek
On Monday 18 November 2002 10:16 pm, Team Tierra Buena wrote:
> Off-topic, yes, but I think it's important to get the word out on this.
>
> Have you ever clicked on an End-User License Agreement without bothering
> to read it? Me, too, but after reading this article I'll never let one
> slip by again.
>
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
>
> 10/30/2002 Subject: Security Implications with Web Based
> 03:32 PM Greeting Cards
>
>
> Have you been receiving and sending a lot of Web based Greeting Cards?
> If
> you do, as a co-worker told me today that he sends them to a lot of
> people,
> you may want to read this article.
>
> * SNEAK ATTACK THROUGH A LICENSE AGREEMENT
>
> Have you ever received a Web-based greeting card from a friend or
> relative? They're common these days, and they seem to be taken for
> granted, in that people trust the intent of someone who might send
> them a greeting card. People like to be greeted with kindness, so
> they're inclined to look at and read the greeting card. It's one of
> the feel-good things that many people simply can't resist.
>
> Have you ever wondered why a company would spend its Internet
> resources delivering free greeting cards on behalf of people with whom
> it conducts no business otherwise? How does such an entity profit from
> those endeavors? What might its motives be?
>
> Last week, a user posted an interesting message to our HowTo for
> Security mailing list regarding one company that delivers Web-based
> greeting cards. That company, Permissioned Media, runs a Web site
> called FriendGreetings.com, which lets one person send another person
> an electronic greeting card. The friendly facilitation seems simple
> and harmless, but it has a rather insidious side.
>
> When you receive a greeting from FriendGreetings.com, the message says
> that someone sent you the greeting and that to read it, you must click
> a URL that takes you to the Web site hosting the greeting. When you
> click the URL, you're prompted to install an ActiveX control before
> you view the greeting. As the greeting-card recipient, you would
> probably assume that you must install the ActiveX control to view the
> greeting; however, that's not the case. Instead, FriendGreetings.com
> has designed the ActiveX control, complete with an End User License
> Agreement (EULA), to interact with your mail client software and
> harvest information about your email contacts. After the ActiveX
> control obtains your private contact list information, it sends a
> similar greeting card to everyone in your contact list, probably
> unbeknownst to you!
>
> If you took time to read the EULA from FriendGreetings.com, you'd
> discover that the EULA clearly states Permissioned Media's intention
> to do just that. A section of the EULA reads, "As part of the
> installation process, Permissioned Media will access your Microsoft
> Outlook contacts list and send an e-mail to persons on your contacts
> list inviting them to download FriendGreetings or related products."
> By accepting the EULA and installing the ActiveX control, you give the
> company permission to perform that activity.
>
> In essence, the greeting cards that FriendGreetings.com delivers
> resemble many worms that travel the Internet: They're parasitic,
> intrusive, devious, elusive, and most of all, probably unwanted. Even
> some antivirus vendors issued warnings about the greeting card last
> week. However, we can't completely blame FriendGreetings.com for its
> use because, although the company counts on most users' acceptance of
> the unread EULA, the EULA does spell out some of its intention. By
> agreeing to the EULA, users agree to the ActiveX control activity.
> Nevertheless, the lesson here should be obvious: When you encounter a
> EULA, don't take anything for granted. Read it word for word to
> understand exactly what you're accepting and think through what the
> consequences of acceptance might be.
>
> Permissioned Media bills itself as a "behavioral marketing network"
> with more than 100 clients that advertise online. The company also
> operates Cool-Downloads.com. You can read Permissioned Media's EULA at
> the URL below. Take note that it grants the company "the right to add
> additional features or functions to the version of PerMedia you
> install, or to add new applications to PerMedia, at any time." Yikes!
> http://permissionedmedia.com/license.htm
>
> If you've received a greeting card from FriendGreetings.com and
> installed the associated ActiveX control, you might want to remove its
> software from your system. To find out how, be sure to read the
> related news article, "Protect Your Contact List: Read the EULA!" in
> this newsletter.
> http://www.secadministrator.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=27122
>
>
> Source: Windows & .NET Magazine Security UPDATE--brought to you by
> Security
> Administrator, a print newsletter bringing you practical, how-to
> articles about securing your Windows .NET Server, Windows 2000, and
> Windows NT systems. (Contributed by Mark Joseph Edwards, News Editor)
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Nov 19 14:39:53 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Pat Thompson)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:39:53 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Re:address to claim lost tendollars.
Message-ID: <3DDA4D39.50503@cox.net>
If you lost ten dollars at the Box-O-Books cache site, please send your
claim to: tylert113@cox.net.
The previous e-mail re: this topic listed an incorrect e-mail claim address.
Thanks,
Pat Thompson
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Nov 19 13:45:15 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:45:15 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] [OT] Security Implications with Web Based Greeting Cards
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Yep! We had a few users at work already receive these greeting cards and
install the software - without reading the EULA. It's a sneaky way to
propagate a virus, legally :(
Larry Farquhar=20
Team "Wyle E"=20
http:\\www.happy-wanderers.com =20
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From: Team Tierra Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net]=20
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:16 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] [OT] Security Implications with Web Based
Greeting Cards
Off-topic, yes, but I think it's important to get the word out on this.
=20
Have you ever clicked on an End-User License Agreement without bothering
to read it? Me, too, but after reading this article I'll never let one
slip by again.
=20
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
10/30/2002 Subject: Security Implications with Web Based=20
03:32 PM Greeting Cards=20
Have you been receiving and sending a lot of Web based Greeting Cards?
If
you do, as a co-worker told me today that he sends them to a lot of
people,
you may want to read this article.
* SNEAK ATTACK THROUGH A LICENSE AGREEMENT
Have you ever received a Web-based greeting card from a friend or
relative? They're common these days, and they seem to be taken for
granted, in that people trust the intent of someone who might send
them a greeting card. People like to be greeted with kindness, so
they're inclined to look at and read the greeting card. It's one of
the feel-good things that many people simply can't resist.
Have you ever wondered why a company would spend its Internet
resources delivering free greeting cards on behalf of people with whom
it conducts no business otherwise? How does such an entity profit from
those endeavors? What might its motives be?
Last week, a user posted an interesting message to our HowTo for
Security mailing list regarding one company that delivers Web-based
greeting cards. That company, Permissioned Media, runs a Web site
called FriendGreetings.com, which lets one person send another person
an electronic greeting card. The friendly facilitation seems simple
and harmless, but it has a rather insidious side.
When you receive a greeting from FriendGreetings.com, the message says
that someone sent you the greeting and that to read it, you must click
a URL that takes you to the Web site hosting the greeting. When you
click the URL, you're prompted to install an ActiveX control before
you view the greeting. As the greeting-card recipient, you would
probably assume that you must install the ActiveX control to view the
greeting; however, that's not the case. Instead, FriendGreetings.com
has designed the ActiveX control, complete with an End User License
Agreement (EULA), to interact with your mail client software and
harvest information about your email contacts. After the ActiveX
control obtains your private contact list information, it sends a
similar greeting card to everyone in your contact list, probably
unbeknownst to you!
If you took time to read the EULA from FriendGreetings.com, you'd
discover that the EULA clearly states Permissioned Media's intention
to do just that. A section of the EULA reads, "As part of the
installation process, Permissioned Media will access your Microsoft
Outlook contacts list and send an e-mail to persons on your contacts
list inviting them to download FriendGreetings or related products."
By accepting the EULA and installing the ActiveX control, you give the
company permission to perform that activity.
In essence, the greeting cards that FriendGreetings.com delivers
resemble many worms that travel the Internet: They're parasitic,
intrusive, devious, elusive, and most of all, probably unwanted. Even
some antivirus vendors issued warnings about the greeting card last
week. However, we can't completely blame FriendGreetings.com for its
use because, although the company counts on most users' acceptance of
the unread EULA, the EULA does spell out some of its intention. By
agreeing to the EULA, users agree to the ActiveX control activity.
Nevertheless, the lesson here should be obvious: When you encounter a
EULA, don't take anything for granted. Read it word for word to
understand exactly what you're accepting and think through what the
consequences of acceptance might be.
Permissioned Media bills itself as a "behavioral marketing network"
with more than 100 clients that advertise online. The company also
operates Cool-Downloads.com. You can read Permissioned Media's EULA at
the URL below. Take note that it grants the company "the right to add
additional features or functions to the version of PerMedia you
install, or to add new applications to PerMedia, at any time." Yikes!
http://permissionedmedia.com/license.htm
If you've received a greeting card from FriendGreetings.com and
installed the associated ActiveX control, you might want to remove its
software from your system. To find out how, be sure to read the
related news article, "Protect Your Contact List: Read the EULA!" in
this newsletter.
http://www.secadministrator.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=3D27122
Source: Windows & .NET Magazine Security UPDATE--brought to you by
Security
Administrator, a print newsletter bringing you practical, how-to
articles about securing your Windows .NET Server, Windows 2000, and
Windows NT systems. (Contributed by Mark Joseph Edwards, News Editor)
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Steve
Team Tierra Buena
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Nov 19 15:44:59 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:44:59 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] [OT] Security Implications with Web Based Greeting Cards
In-Reply-To: <200211182351.05047.brian@snaptek.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c28fe2$9e4cf660$c069dd18@OUR>
> Greeting cards have always been about harvesting e-mail
> addresses. Hardly
> anyone ever gives you something for nothing, and there are
> definatly not that
> many people trying to give out free greeting cards. The
> company in the
> article is just doing the step in their scummy e-mail
> harvesting technique.
What takes this to the next level of depravity, though, is that when you
accept their EULA and download the active-X control, it will locate your
mail client and "harvest" all the email addresses in YOUR address book!
And because you agreed to it when you accepted the EULA, it's perfectly
legal for them to do this!
The words I would use to properly describe these weasels are not fit for
this list or anywhere else. In fact, I apologize to the world's weasels
for insulting them in this fashion.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Tue Nov 19 20:06:41 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:06:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] [OT] Security Implications with Web Based Greeting Cards
Message-ID: <20021119120644.25922.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
AND...not only all this, but according to www.truthorfiction.com (one
of my favorite websites, for checking out email urban legends and
such) the problem with FriendlyGreetings.com is not only true, but the
email addresses are collected for a spammer sending out porn.
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, "Farquhar, Larry" wrote:
Message
Yep!
We had a few users at work already receive these greeting cards and
install the
software - without reading the EULA. It's a sneaky way to propagate a
virus,
legally :(
Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
http:\\www.happy-wanderers.com
-----Original Message-----From: Team Tierra
Buena [mailto:teamtierrabuena@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November
18, 2002 10:16 PMTo: listserv@azgeocaching.comSubject:
[Az-Geocaching] [OT] Security Implications with Web Based Greeting
Cards
Off-topic, yes, but I think it's important to get the word out
on this.
Have you ever clicked on an End-User License Agreement without
bothering to read it? Me, too, but after reading this article I'll
never
let one slip by again.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
10/30/2002 Subject: Security
Implications with Web Based 03:32 PM Greeting Cards Have you
been receiving and sending a lot of Web based Greeting Cards? Ifyou
do, as
a co-worker told me today that he sends them to a lot of people,you
may
want to read this article.* SNEAK ATTACK THROUGH A LICENSE
AGREEMENTHave you ever received a Web-based greeting card from a
friend orrelative? They're common these days, and they seem to be
taken
forgranted, in that people trust the intent of someone who might
sendthem a greeting card. People like to be greeted with kindness,
sothey're inclined to look at and read the greeting card. It's one
ofthe feel-good things that many people simply can't resist.Have
you ever wondered why a company would spend its Internetresources
delivering free greeting cards on behalf of people with whomit
conducts no
business otherwise? How does such an entity profit fromthose
endeavors?
What might its motives be?Last week, a user posted an interesting
message to our HowTo forSecurity mailing list regarding one company
that
delivers Web-basedgreeting cards. That company, Permissioned Media,
runs a
Web sitecalled FriendGreetings.com, which lets one person send
another
personan electronic greeting card. The friendly facilitation seems
simpleand harmless, but it has a rather insidious side.When you
receive a greeting from FriendGreetings.com, the message saysthat
someone
sent you the greeting and that to read it, you must clicka URL that
takes
you to the Web site hosting the greeting. When youclick the URL,
you're
prompted to install an ActiveX control beforeyou view the greeting.
As the
greeting-card recipient, you wouldprobably assume that you must
install
the ActiveX control to view thegreeting; however, that's not the
case.
Instead, FriendGreetings.comhas designed the ActiveX control,
complete
with an End User LicenseAgreement (EULA), to interact with your mail
client software andharvest information about your email contacts.
After
the ActiveXcontrol obtains your private contact list information, it
sends
asimilar greeting card to everyone in your contact list,
probablyunbeknownst to you!If you took time to read the EULA from
FriendGreetings.com, you'ddiscover that the EULA clearly states
Permissioned Media's intentionto do just that. A section of the EULA
reads, "As part of theinstallation process, Permissioned Media will
access
your MicrosoftOutlook contacts list and send an e-mail to persons on
your
contactslist inviting them to download FriendGreetings or related
products."By accepting the EULA and installing the ActiveX control,
you
give thecompany permission to perform that activity.In essence,
the greeting cards that FriendGreetings.com deliversresemble many
worms
that travel the Internet: They're parasitic,intrusive, devious,
elusive,
and most of all, probably unwanted. Evensome antivirus vendors
issued
warnings about the greeting card lastweek. However, we can't
completely
blame FriendGreetings.com for itsuse because, although the company
counts
on most users' acceptance ofthe unread EULA, the EULA does spell out
some
of its intention. Byagreeing to the EULA, users agree to the ActiveX
control activity.Nevertheless, the lesson here should be obvious:
When you
encounter aEULA, don't take anything for granted. Read it word for
word
tounderstand exactly what you're accepting and think through what
theconsequences of acceptance might be.Permissioned Media bills
itself as a "behavioral marketing network"with more than 100 clients
that
advertise online. The company alsooperates Cool-Downloads.com. You
can
read Permissioned Media's EULA atthe URL below. Take note that it
grants
the company "the right to addadditional features or functions to the
version of PerMedia youinstall, or to add new applications to
PerMedia, at
any time." Yikes!http://permissionedmedia.com/license.htmIf you've
received a greeting card from FriendGreetings.com andinstalled the
associated ActiveX control, you might want to remove itssoftware
from your
system. To find out how, be sure to read therelated news article,
"Protect
Your Contact List: Read the EULA!" inthis
newsletter.http://www.secadministrator.com/articles/index.cfm?articleid=27122Source:
Windows & .NET Magazine Security UPDATE--brought to you
bySecurityAdministrator, a print newsletter bringing you practical,
how-toarticles about securing your Windows .NET Server, Windows
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andWindows NT systems. (Contributed by Mark Joseph Edwards, News
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 04:14:12 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:14:12 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Maybe I've been Wrong
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I have often preached that newcomers should find several caches before
they hide them, but I'm having second thoughts. Here's a team in Canada
that has zero finds and forty hides, but look at an example of what
they're doing, and what they're putting in their caches:
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=42951
Even if we factor in that they're talking Canadian money, that's a lot
of Loonies! (Log entry: "Took money, left used golf ball..."?)
Oh, well, I think I'll go out and find some McToys now...
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 05:01:13 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Scotti)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 22:01:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Maybe I've been Wrong
In-Reply-To: <004f01c2904b$48ac17e0$c069dd18@OUR>
Message-ID:
Well, you guys can rest assured that you won't be finding $1,000 as the
initial contents of any of MY geocaches.... :-) That sure makes me want to
take some time off and head for Canada for a few days, though!
Jim.
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Team Tierra Buena wrote:
> I have often preached that newcomers should find several caches before
> they hide them, but I'm having second thoughts. Here's a team in Canada
> that has zero finds and forty hides, but look at an example of what
> they're doing, and what they're putting in their caches:
>
> http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=42951
>
> Even if we factor in that they're talking Canadian money, that's a lot
> of Loonies! (Log entry: "Took money, left used golf ball..."?)
>
> Oh, well, I think I'll go out and find some McToys now...
>
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
> Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...
>
>
Jim Scotti
Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721 USA http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 12:05:18 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Jim Stamm)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 05:05:18 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Maybe I've been Wrong
Message-ID: <0H5V002HOIWNFX@mtaout07.icomcast.net>
Jim Scotti wrote on 11/19/02 10:01 PM :
>Well, you guys can rest assured that you won't be finding $1,000 as the
>initial contents of any of MY geocaches.... :-) That sure makes me want to
>take some time off and head for Canada for a few days, though!
Didn't someone put a gold nugget into one of your caches?
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 16:58:07 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 11:58:07 EST
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
Message-ID: <130.17d209bd.2b0d191f@aol.com>
My wife and I are fairly new to geocaching, and brand new to the azgeocaching
list, so i just wanted to write a quick note to say hello. We look forward
to getting to know and to learn from all of you!
-Team DaSH-
David and Shawna Hall
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 16:59:36 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:59:36 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
Message-ID:
Welcome Team DaSH,
Just beware of Yellow Jeeps and Roadrunners and you'll do just fine.
Cody
Team CBX2
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My wife and I are fairly new to geocaching, and brand new to the
azgeocaching
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to getting to know and to learn from all of you!
-Team DaSH-
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 17:17:47 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:17:47 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
Message-ID: <534B7F480A6D0149B785F337C88B1B04615BBD@ipniexchange.ipni.com>
Welcome David and Shawna!
Arizona is a great place to go cache hunting! We also have a great bunch
of people on this list, so feel free to ask any questions or offer any
advice.
Like your team name - clever.
Happy Hunting!
Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
http:\\www.happy-wanderers.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TeamDaSH@aol.com [mailto:TeamDaSH@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:58 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
My wife and I are fairly new to geocaching, and brand new to the
azgeocaching
list, so i just wanted to write a quick note to say hello. We look
forward
to getting to know and to learn from all of you!
-Team DaSH-
David and Shawna Hall
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 17:18:55 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Farquhar, Larry)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:18:55 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
Message-ID: <534B7F480A6D0149B785F337C88B1B04615BBE@ipniexchange.ipni.com>
Yellow Jeeps are harmless - it's those very rare BUFPUT's that you need
to be weary of. :)
Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
http:\\www.happy-wanderers.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Cody Brown [mailto:Brown.Cody@orbital.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:00 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
Welcome Team DaSH,
Just beware of Yellow Jeeps and Roadrunners and you'll do just fine.
Cody
Team CBX2
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 17:24:07 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Cody Brown)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:24:07 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
Message-ID:
I'm proud to say BUFPUT is finally home. After a $2400 head replacement
she's ready to do some Geocaching.
Cody
Team CBX2
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Yellow Jeeps are harmless - it's those very rare BUFPUT's that you need
to be weary of. :)
Larry Farquhar
Team "Wyle E"
http:\\www.happy-wanderers.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Cody Brown [mailto:Brown.Cody@orbital.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:00 AM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
Welcome Team DaSH,
Just beware of Yellow Jeeps and Roadrunners and you'll do just fine.
Cody
Team CBX2
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 17:38:59 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:38:59 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <000101c290bb$b8234b00$c069dd18@OUR>
> I'm proud to say BUFPUT is finally home. After a $2400 head
> replacement she's ready to do some Geocaching.
Now you really should explain the meaning of BUFPUT for the benefit of
our newer subscribers. And I'm sure you're happy to have her back.
Welcome, also, to Team DaSH!
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 18:50:56 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Bob Renner)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:50:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] BUFPUT History Lesson
In-Reply-To: <000101c290bb$b8234b00$c069dd18@OUR>
Message-ID: <20021120185056.4157.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
Since I'm the one who orginated the term BUFPUT, I
guess I'll explain it to the newcomers.
About a year ago, someone asked how some of us were
able to find caches before they were officially listed
on the geocaching web site. It used to be that you
could go call up the newest cache and then go to the
top of your browser and increment the cache number to
see the newer caches even before they were approved
and listed (that feature has since been blocked).
Several local cachers were using this feature to jump
the gun and be the first to find the new caches. Two
of these unnamed cachers had yellow Jeeps, and another
had a Ford truck. I explained the method on the
listserver and then mentioned that "All you have to do
is look out for yellow Jeeps and Big Ugly Ford PickUp
Trucks". The acronym stuck.
And another welcome to Team DaSH.
Bob Renner
--- Team Tierra Buena
wrote:
> > I'm proud to say BUFPUT is finally home. After a
> $2400 head
> > replacement she's ready to do some Geocaching.
>
> Now you really should explain the meaning of BUFPUT
> for the benefit of
> our newer subscribers. And I'm sure you're happy to
> have her back.
>
> Welcome, also, to Team DaSH!
>
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
> Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...
>
>
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 19:12:04 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:12:04 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] BUFPUT History Lesson
In-Reply-To: <20021120185056.4157.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c290c8$b7a184f0$c069dd18@OUR>
> Since I'm the one who orginated the term BUFPUT, I
> guess I'll explain it to the newcomers.
If azgeocaching.com ever gets an FAQ section, this will need to be a
part of it.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 21:20:45 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:20:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Maybe I've been Wrong
Message-ID: <20021120132046.16761.h009.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
Yeah, but holy cow, look at all the work that they are putting into
the game! They must not work, have any kids, and be independently
wealthy! (And $1,000? Hmmm...Monopoly money?)
Trisha
Prescott Skeptics, Inc.
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Jim Scotti wrote:
>
> Well, you guys can rest assured that you won't be finding $1,000 as
the
> initial contents of any of MY geocaches.... :-) That sure makes me
> want to
> take some time off and head for Canada for a few days, though!
>
> Jim.
>
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Team Tierra Buena wrote:
>
> > I have often preached that newcomers should find several caches
> before
> > they hide them, but I'm having second thoughts. Here's a team in
> Canada
> > that has zero finds and forty hides, but look at an example of what
> > they're doing, and what they're putting in their caches:
> >
> > http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?ID=42951
> >
> > Even if we factor in that they're talking Canadian money, that's a
> lot
> > of Loonies! (Log entry: "Took money, left used golf ball..."?)
> >
> > Oh, well, I think I'll go out and find some McToys now...
> >
> > Steve
> > Team Tierra Buena
> > Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...
> >
> >
>
> Jim Scotti
> Lunar & Planetary Laboratory jscotti@pirl.lpl.arizona.edu
> University of Arizona
> Tucson, AZ 85721 USA
> http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 21:16:02 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Nicol)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:16:02 -0800
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] BUFPUT History Lesson
Message-ID:
>From: Bob Renner
>Reply-To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
>Subject: [Az-Geocaching] BUFPUT History Lesson
>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:50:56 -0800 (PST)
>
>Since I'm the one who orginated the term BUFPUT, I
>guess I'll explain it to the newcomers.
>
>About a year ago, someone asked how some of us were
>able to find caches before they were officially listed
>on the geocaching web site. It used to be that you
>could go call up the newest cache and then go to the
>top of your browser and increment the cache number to
>see the newer caches even before they were approved
>and listed (that feature has since been blocked).
>Several local cachers were using this feature to jump
>the gun and be the first to find the new caches. Two
>of these unnamed cachers had yellow Jeeps, and another
>had a Ford truck. I explained the method on the
>listserver and then mentioned that "All you have to do
>is look out for yellow Jeeps and Big Ugly Ford PickUp
>Trucks". The acronym stuck.
>
>And another welcome to Team DaSH.
>
>Bob Renner
------------------------------------------------------------------------
AAHHH! I always wondered what that word BUFPUT meant! Now I know! Even guys
like me that have over 400 finds can learn a thing or two from this list! :)
LOL
Thanks for the history lesson Bob R and welcome to the list Team DaSH!
Scott
Team Ropingthewind
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 21:33:17 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:33:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
Message-ID: <20021120133318.12311.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
I'd like to add my welcome to David and Shawna, too! Hope you get up
to the Prescott area to cache....(um, before it snows?) We have some
really nice places to see and caches to grab.
Trisha "Lightning"
Yavapai Co. Jeep Posse Searchers
Prescott
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, "Farquhar, Larry" wrote:
>
> Welcome David and Shawna!
>
> Arizona is a great place to go cache hunting! We also have a great
> bunch
> of people on this list, so feel free to ask any questions or offer
any
> advice.
>
> Like your team name - clever.
>
> Happy Hunting!
> Larry Farquhar
> Team "Wyle E"
> http:\\www.happy-wanderers.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TeamDaSH@aol.com [mailto:TeamDaSH@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:58 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
>
>
> My wife and I are fairly new to geocaching, and brand new to the
> azgeocaching
> list, so i just wanted to write a quick note to say hello. We look
> forward
> to getting to know and to learn from all of you!
> -Team DaSH-
> David and Shawna Hall
>
>
>
>
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 21:39:01 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:39:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
Message-ID: <20021120133903.12309.h018.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
yeah...WEARY of...(tired of it?) or maybe LEERY...or WARY...?
:-0
:-) Larry!
Trisha
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, "Farquhar, Larry" wrote:
>
> Yellow Jeeps are harmless - it's those very rare BUFPUT's that you
need
> to be weary of. :)
>
> Larry Farquhar
> Team "Wyle E"
> http:\\www.happy-wanderers.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cody Brown [mailto:Brown.Cody@orbital.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:00 AM
> To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
> Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Hello
>
>
>
> Welcome Team DaSH,
> Just beware of Yellow Jeeps and Roadrunners and you'll do just fine.
>
> Cody
> Team CBX2
>
>
>
>
>
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Wed Nov 20 22:40:43 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:40:43 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Maybe I've been Wrong
In-Reply-To: <20021120132046.16761.h009.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
Message-ID: <001001c290e5$dd12c2e0$c069dd18@OUR>
> Yeah, but holy cow, look at all the work that they are
> putting into the game! They must not work, have any kids, and
> be independently wealthy!
That thought certainly crossed my mind, too.
(And $1,000? Hmmm...Monopoly
> money?) Trisha Prescott Skeptics, Inc.
No, read some of the find logs on their other caches. Unless the loggers
are playing along with an elaborate joke, they're putting genuine
Canadian currency in their caches, along with other toys (GPSRs, etc.)
that aren't exactly "cache trache" either.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Nov 21 00:35:14 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:35:14 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] BUFPUT History Lesson
References: <20021120185056.4157.qmail@web40709.mail.yahoo.com>
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WOW Now I heard the story differently BUFPUT=3D Beautiful unique ford =
pick up truck
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Bob Renner=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] BUFPUT History Lesson
Since I'm the one who orginated the term BUFPUT, I
guess I'll explain it to the newcomers.
About a year ago, someone asked how some of us were
able to find caches before they were officially listed
on the geocaching web site. It used to be that you
could go call up the newest cache and then go to the
top of your browser and increment the cache number to
see the newer caches even before they were approved
and listed (that feature has since been blocked).=20
Several local cachers were using this feature to jump
the gun and be the first to find the new caches. Two
of these unnamed cachers had yellow Jeeps, and another
had a Ford truck. I explained the method on the
listserver and then mentioned that "All you have to do
is look out for yellow Jeeps and Big Ugly Ford PickUp
Trucks". The acronym stuck.
And another welcome to Team DaSH.
Bob Renner
--- Team Tierra Buena
wrote:
> > I'm proud to say BUFPUT is finally home. After a
> $2400 head=20
> > replacement she's ready to do some Geocaching.
>=20
> Now you really should explain the meaning of BUFPUT
> for the benefit of
> our newer subscribers. And I'm sure you're happy to
> have her back.
>=20
> Welcome, also, to Team DaSH!
>=20
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
> Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...
>=20
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Beautiful unique ford pick up truck
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
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From:=20
Bob =
Renner=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, =
2002 11:50=20
AM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] BUFPUT =
History=20
Lesson
Since I'm the one who orginated the term BUFPUT, =
I
guess=20
I'll explain it to the newcomers.
About a year ago, someone =
asked how=20
some of us were
able to find caches before they were officially=20
listed
on the geocaching web site. It used to be that =
you
could go=20
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top of your browser and =
increment the cache number to
see the newer caches even before they =
were=20
approved
and listed (that feature has since been blocked). =
Several=20
local cachers were using this feature to jump
the gun and be the =
first to=20
find the new caches. Two
of these unnamed cachers had yellow =
Jeeps,=20
and another
had a Ford truck. I explained the method on=20
the
listserver and then mentioned that "All you have to do
is =
look out=20
for yellow Jeeps and Big Ugly Ford PickUp
Trucks". The =
acronym=20
stuck.
And another welcome to Team DaSH.
Bob =
Renner
---=20
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et>
wrote:
>=20
> I'm proud to say BUFPUT is finally home. After a
> =
$2400 head=20
> > replacement she's ready to do some Geocaching.
> =
>=20
Now you really should explain the meaning of BUFPUT
> for the =
benefit=20
of
> our newer subscribers. And I'm sure you're happy to
> =
have=20
her back.
>
> Welcome, also, to Team DaSH!
> =
>=20
Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
> Making Geocaching harder than =
it ought=20
to be...
>
>
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Nov 21 00:39:33 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:39:33 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Maybe I've been Wrong
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Many Thanks go out to Team Trail Gypsy for getting "a all nighter " and =
the kids night time cache up and running again... If you are interested =
in these caches I might suggest you try for them now before the =
reflector come up missing again
once again thanks Trail Gypsy
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try for=20
them now before the reflector come up missing again
once again thanks Trail =
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Nov 21 01:48:41 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:48:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Maybe I've been Wrong
Message-ID: <20021120174843.27747.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
Wow, that's pretty cool. If I get enough money, maybe I'll do
something similar up here! I like the concept.
Trisha
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, "Team Tierra Buena" wrote:
>
> > Yeah, but holy cow, look at all the work that they are
> > putting into the game! They must not work, have any kids, and
> > be independently wealthy!
>
>
> That thought certainly crossed my mind, too.
>
> (And $1,000? Hmmm...Monopoly
> > money?) Trisha Prescott Skeptics, Inc.
>
>
> No, read some of the find logs on their other caches. Unless the
> loggers
> are playing along with an elaborate joke, they're putting genuine
> Canadian currency in their caches, along with other toys (GPSRs,
etc.)
> that aren't exactly "cache trache" either.
>
> Steve
> Team Tierra Buena
> Making Geocaching harder than it ought to be...
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> listserv@azgeocaching.com
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>
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make a brand new start,
Anyone can start from now and
make a brand new ending."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Nov 21 06:09:07 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (teamcbx2)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 23:09:07 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] My dad
Message-ID:
I just want to thank all who wished us well at the passing of my step dad
Bill.
He was 66. Even to the end he showed my mom how much he loved her.
He passed away on the exact day and the exact hour they met only 24 year
later.
I am so thankful for my Geocaching family. It mean a lot to have this kind
of support.
Cheryl of Team CBx2
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Nov 21 19:05:48 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:05:48 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] We're Back
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take a few days off after crashing your computer and look what happens, =
I still feel that Job/Work thing is very restrictive as well. Though in =
our non caching adventures we found a new type of Cache container, to be =
found at a Fishing site near you...
Team Evil Fish
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take a few days off after crashing your =
computer=20
and look what happens, I still feel that Job/Work thing is very =
restrictive as=20
well. Though in our non caching adventures we found a new type of Cache=20
container, to be found at a Fishing site near you...
Team Evil Fish
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Thu Nov 21 20:42:58 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 12:42:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] I couldn't help it!
Message-ID: <20021121124258.23609.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
Hi all,
I am so intrigued by that "BOLD ENDURANCE CACHE" up in Vancouver that
I had to post a note on it, saying "I wish I lived in the area and
good luck!" (from Arizona)....is anybody else watching? I can't wait
to see what happens!
Waypoint GCA7C7
#42951
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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make a brand new start,
Anyone can start from now and
make a brand new ending."
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 02:30:51 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:30:51 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sight Staurt Training
References: <20021121124258.23609.h010.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
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Well just got back from the Sight Stuart training... I would like to =
suggest that every one take part in the field training ....maybe we can =
even see if they would hold the 4 hours class just for cacher with a =
interest.... I can only imagine the number of sites I have walked =
though looking for a place to hide a cache.=20
We were taken to 2 different sites today. the first one was pretty easy =
to tell that it was a site but the second a much older site ( a great =
place for a cache) there was no way to tell before it was pointed out =
what to look for.... but if someone was going to hide a cache at it.... =
it would be very easy to damage the sight....with our little rock =
piles... the people back then used rock piles to grow there food...so =
when we knock one on there's down while looking for one of ours that =
information is lost for ever
This was a very eye opening experience.... Maybe we could set the =
training as a event cache...
any way it was a fun weekend doing the training.... and I can't wait to =
get my own site to take care of
Libby
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Stuart=20
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field=20
training ....maybe we can even see if they would hold the 4 hours =
class=20
just for cacher with a interest.... I can only imagine the number =
of sites=20
I have walked though looking for a place to hide a cache.
We were taken to 2 different sites =
today. the first=20
one was pretty easy to tell that it was a site but the second a much =
older site=20
( a great place for a cache) there was no way to tell before it was =
pointed out=20
what to look for.... but if someone was going to hide a cache at it.... =
it would=20
be very easy to damage the sight....with our little rock piles... the =
people=20
back then used rock piles to grow there food...so when we knock one on =
there's=20
down while looking for one of ours that information is lost for=20
ever
This was a very eye opening =
experience.... Maybe we=20
could set the training as a event cache...
any way it was a fun weekend doing the =
training....=20
and I can't wait to get my own site to take care of
Libby
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 03:35:12 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (HighwayHavoc)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:35:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sight Staurt Training
In-Reply-To: <02b701c2942a$aeb17d40$bfd36844@ph.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20021125033512.78605.qmail@web40501.mail.yahoo.com>
I'd be interested in more info concerning this
training business. I still consider myself new to the
Phoenix Valley (less than a year), but I was involved
in something like this training at Mission Trails
Regional Park in the San Diego area - a great park to
visit if you're in that area.
Mark A. Pederson
aka Highwayhavoc
--- WOLFB8 wrote:
> Well just got back from the Sight Stuart training...
> I would like to suggest that every one take part in
> the field training [snip]
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 03:49:17 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Team Tierra Buena)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:49:17 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sight Staurt Training
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Libby, "eye-opening" sounds like an understatement. When we had the
meeting in September, Scott Wood of the Forest Service (not to be
confused with Scott Wood of Team My Blue Heaven) offered to hold a
training session geared to Geocachers. I think I've dropped the ball on
this, and I need to find out where that offer stands fairly quickly.
Please keep us posted on your assignments and experiences with this.
Steve
Team Tierra Buena
-----Original Message-----
From: az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com
[mailto:az-geocaching-admin@listserv.azgeocaching.com] On Behalf Of
WOLFB8
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 7:31 PM
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sight Staurt Training
Well just got back from the Sight Stuart training... I would like to
suggest that every one take part in the field training ....maybe we can
even see if they would hold the 4 hours class just for cacher with a
interest.... I can only imagine the number of sites I have walked
though looking for a place to hide a cache.
We were taken to 2 different sites today. the first one was pretty easy
to tell that it was a site but the second a much older site ( a great
place for a cache) there was no way to tell before it was pointed out
what to look for.... but if someone was going to hide a cache at it....
it would be very easy to damage the sight....with our little rock
piles... the people back then used rock piles to grow there food...so
when we knock one on there's down while looking for one of ours that
information is lost for ever
This was a very eye opening experience.... Maybe we could set the
training as a event cache...
any way it was a fun weekend doing the training.... and I can't wait to
get my own site to take care of
Libby
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
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Libby, "eye-opening" sounds like an understatement. When =
we had=20
the meeting in September, Scott Wood of the Forest Service (not to be =
confused=20
with Scott Wood of Team My Blue Heaven) offered to hold a training =
session =20
geared to Geocachers. I think I've dropped the ball on this, and I need =
to find=20
out where that offer stands fairly quickly. Please keep us posted on =
your=20
assignments and experiences with this.
Steve
Team=20
Tierra Buena
Well just got back from the Sight =
Stuart=20
training... I would like to suggest that every one take part in the =
field=20
training ....maybe we can even see if they would hold the 4 =
hours class=20
just for cacher with a interest.... I can only imagine the =
number of=20
sites I have walked though looking for a place to hide a cache. =
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today. the=20
first one was pretty easy to tell that it was a site but the second a =
much=20
older site ( a great place for a cache) there was no way to tell =
before it was=20
pointed out what to look for.... but if someone was going to hide a =
cache at=20
it.... it would be very easy to damage the sight....with our little =
rock=20
piles... the people back then used rock piles to grow there food...so =
when we=20
knock one on there's down while looking for one of ours that =
information is=20
lost for ever
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experience.... Maybe=20
we could set the training as a event cache...
any way it was a fun weekend doing =
the=20
training.... and I can't wait to get my own site to take care =
of
Libby
We will be known by the tracks we leave=20
behind
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 04:24:28 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:24:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sight Staurt Training
Message-ID: <20021124202429.23285.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
Is this training offered to be a "Site Steward" for the Holy and
Blessed Archeological sites??
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, HighwayHavoc wrote:
>
> I'd be interested in more info concerning this
> training business. I still consider myself new to the
> Phoenix Valley (less than a year), but I was involved
> in something like this training at Mission Trails
> Regional Park in the San Diego area - a great park to
> visit if you're in that area.
>
> Mark A. Pederson
> aka Highwayhavoc
>
> --- WOLFB8 wrote:
> > Well just got back from the Sight Stuart training...
> > I would like to suggest that every one take part in
> > the field training [snip]
>
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 00:18:44 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 17:18:44 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logs questions
Message-ID:
Anyone know the reason for the log books in the caches? I have a cache
where the log book in the cache does not match the log book on the web. It
appears that several people have logged the cache on-line, but not in the
cache. Do I delete the on-line entries because they don't match the cache
log?
One of the entries is from a cacher with over 200 finds. Does anyone else
besides me ever compare logs?
GeoRaptor
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 04:45:21 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Regan Smith)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:45:21 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logs questions
References:
Message-ID: <003501c2943d$77018760$8949b83f@fishkiller>
Yes , I know that when I go and check our Nearly in Harmony log book and
replace it with a new one I will delete any online log that isn't in the log
book,
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:18 PM
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logs questions
> Anyone know the reason for the log books in the caches? I have a cache
> where the log book in the cache does not match the log book on the web.
It
> appears that several people have logged the cache on-line, but not in the
> cache. Do I delete the on-line entries because they don't match the cache
> log?
> One of the entries is from a cacher with over 200 finds. Does anyone else
> besides me ever compare logs?
>
> GeoRaptor
>
>
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From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 05:14:51 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:14:51 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logs questions
In-Reply-To: <003501c2943d$77018760$8949b83f@fishkiller>
References:
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021124221240.022f09d8@mail.myblueheaven.com>
At 09:45 PM 11/24/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Yes , I know that when I go and check our Nearly in Harmony log book and
>replace it with a new one I will delete any online log that isn't in the log
>book,
So far, there has only been one cache that we have found but were unable to
log the book. If I would have read the most recent logs online I would
have known that I needed to take a pen with me, but I was using cache
sheets that were about a month old. I did take pictures to confirm that we
were actually there, and made trades.
I do tend to agree though. There might be a legitimate reason to not log
the book, but I think that the book should be signed for it to be listed as
a find.
Scott
Team My Blue Heaven
www.myblueheaven.com/geocache
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 05:19:03 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Scott Wood)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:19:03 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Magellan customer is great!
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021124221458.023ad9f0@mail.myblueheaven.com>
I got my SporTrak Pro back on Friday. The first thing that I noticed when
I got the box was that it was a much bigger box than I shipped the unit to
Magellan in.
I opened the box and was surprised to find a box full of Magellan accessories.
Included with my repaired unit, they found a bad battery compartment
connection, were the following.
1. An extra PC cable
2. Cigarette lighter power adapter
3. Leather carrying case
4. Suction cup windshield mount
5. Extra wrist strap
It took them less than a day to fix the unit and ship it out to me. They
extended my warranty 90 days after the repair, and sent me the free
accessories. I couldn't be happier with Magellan.
Scott
Team My Blue Heaven
www.myblueheaven.com/geocache
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 05:23:18 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (listserv@azgeocaching.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:23:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logs questions
Message-ID: <20021124212320.22646.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
I do the same thing about log matching, altho' I check with the cacher
(via email) first before I consider deleting logs, because there have
been rare instances (OK, I admit it! :-) when I did not sign the log
(once, I forgot, with my kids harrassing me about what to exchange
plus I was REALLY tired from the hike; once I almost got hit by
lightning so I RAN out of there, once (recently) my husband and kids
had the cache on the other side of the rocks and I was TOO tired to
crawl over to sign, and THEY forgot....) so there could be cases where
logs don't match but the person still found the cache. I don't believe
there is any hard and fast rule on geocaching.com that says you MUST
sign the log, if there is please point it out and I will delete my own
entries (even tho' I did find the cache) :-)
If in doubt about a log, email the cacher who does not have a physical
log and ask them about it, ask them details about the cache to show
they were there (if they can remember, sometimes quite a but of time
passes before I pick up a log book, in my case, about 1 1/2 years for
one of my caches.) Just my opinion, but sometimes there might be a
legit reason and it isn't fair to delete without asking.
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, "Regan Smith" wrote:
>
> Yes , I know that when I go and check our Nearly in Harmony log book
> and
> replace it with a new one I will delete any online log that isn't in
> the log
> book,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 5:18 PM
> Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logs questions
>
>
> > Anyone know the reason for the log books in the caches? I have a
> cache
> > where the log book in the cache does not match the log book on the
> web.
> It
> > appears that several people have logged the cache on-line, but not
> in the
> > cache. Do I delete the on-line entries because they don't match
the
> cache
> > log?
> > One of the entries is from a cacher with over 200 finds. Does
> anyone else
> > besides me ever compare logs?
> >
> > GeoRaptor
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Az-Geocaching mailing list
> > listserv@azgeocaching.com
> > http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
> >
> > Arizona's Geocaching Resource
> > http://www.azgeocaching.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Az-Geocaching mailing list
> listserv@azgeocaching.com
> http://listserv.azgeocaching.com/mailman/listinfo/az-geocaching
>
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> http://www.azgeocaching.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Although no one can go back and
make a brand new start,
Anyone can start from now and
make a brand new ending."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 06:11:34 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (Brian Cluff)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:11:34 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Logs questions
In-Reply-To: <20021124212320.22646.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
References: <20021124212320.22646.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
Message-ID: <200211242311.34087.brian@snaptek.com>
On Sunday 24 November 2002 10:23 pm, trisha@brasher.com wrote:
> logs don't match but the person still found the cache. I don't believe
> there is any hard and fast rule on geocaching.com that says you MUST
> sign the log, if there is please point it out and I will delete my own
> entries (even tho' I did find the cache) :-)
>From the FAQ on geocaching.com ( http://www.geocaching.com/faq.asp )
What are the rules in Geocaching?
Geocaching is a relatively new phenomenon. Therefore, the rules are very
simple:
1. Take something from the cache
2. Leave something in the cache
3. Write about it in the logbook
Where you place a cache is up to you.
So it looks by the "rules" that you have to write something in the log book.
My personal opinion is that if you aren't signing the logbook, you aren't
geocaching.
Brian Cluff
Team snaptek
PS. I didn't know that Geocaching.com had decided on an official FRS channel
for geocachers (2 primary and 12 alternate)
The only thing about that is, at least the way I have geocached, that I'm not
going to be doing a lot of talking on a radio, because I ten to stick with
anyone that I'm with so that I can companyand safety with me at all times...
Unless im talking to a man about a horse :)
From listserv@azgeocaching.com Mon Nov 25 15:31:40 2002
From: listserv@azgeocaching.com (WOLFB8)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 08:31:40 -0700
Subject: [Az-Geocaching] Sight Staurt Training
References: <20021124202429.23285.h016.c000.wm@mail.brasher.com.criticalpath.net>
Message-ID: <031301c29498$11119520$bfd36844@ph.cox.net>
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is mestes@pr.state.az.us=20
Steve please pick up that ball and get a training set up... and set the =
event set.....
Trish yes it is to watch the Holy and Blessed Archeological sites.
For those of you that have caches in the seven spring area... he pointed =
out that they have just finished a survey of more than 100 sites in the =
valley.... =20
Yes folks it the morning after and I am still at awe with what I saw and =
learned...really kewl
We will be known by the tracks we leave behind
----- Original Message -----=20
From: trisha@brasher.com=20
To: listserv@azgeocaching.com=20
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Az-Geocaching] Sight Staurt Training
Is this training offered to be a "Site Steward" for the Holy and
Blessed Archeological sites??
Trisha "Lightning"
Prescott
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, HighwayHavoc wrote:
>=20
> I'd be interested in more info concerning this
> training business. I still consider myself new to the
> Phoenix Valley (less than a year), but I was involved
> in something like this training at Mission Trails
> Regional Park in the San Diego area - a great park to
> visit if you're in that area.
>=20
> Mark A. Pederson
> aka Highwayhavoc
>=20
> --- WOLFB8 wrote:
> > Well just got back from the Sight Stuart training...
> > I would like to suggest that every one take part in
> > the field training [snip]
>=20
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Mail Plus � Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now.
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ilplus.yahoo.com
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> Arizona's Geocaching Resource
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make a brand new start,
Anyone can start from now and
make a brand new ending."
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