[Az-Geocaching] Fw: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.

Wed, 7 Aug 2002 20:17:41 -0700

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While I think I understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to =
say, she does, IMHO, need to be careful about how she states her =
complaint.

While I am certainly an off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher.  As =
such, if people are driving quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and =
causing problems, then it is the geocachers that are doing it..not the =
off-road enthusiast.  (DUH!)

Now.the above statement is about as stupid as the one that Jean =
(roadrunners?) wrote, IMO.  She is, in my opinion, a dangerous element =
when it comes to these types of discussions.  Finger pointing is NOT the =
way to solve the problem.  Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH =
depend on public access to public land.  Without it, we are both without =
a place to recreate (unless you want to geocache or ramp ricers in the =
city).

So..my advice to dear Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit =
and stop trying to alienate those that may very well be her best ally in =
this fight to keep our public lands open and accessible. =20

Yes..both off-road enthusiasts and geocachers share a common =
element..the moron that drives around on public land with complete =
disregard for the land or the laws...and as she said.the ones that toss =
fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at least she got one thing =
correct).  Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, she will, IMO, not =
come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be now.

She has yet to figure out that what she is doing is exactly what the =
greenie folks want..divide the opposition into small in-fighting =
fractured segments and then pick them off, one at a time.  As the old =
saying goes, "United we stand, divided we fall".  I wish someone would =
explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) before she helps us all to death.

Timber Chucker!

p.s.  Kyle, if you want to filter this back towards the source of your =
original post, please feel free to do so.  It will take a ton of talking =
to convince me that I am wrong on this subject.

Stu Olson

www.stu-offroad.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:38 PM
To: 'AzVJC Website'
Subject: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.

 I thought the list might be interested in what some of the people on =
AzGeocaching.com is responding about this article:

Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We =
have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash =
and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by =
foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas =
where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a =
bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to =
haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and =
leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the =
same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking =
"someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the =
article:

An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say =
the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. =
Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than =
600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out =
the window....

Jean
roadrunners=20

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.=20

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I=20
understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to say, she does, =
IMHO, need=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">While I am =
certainly an=20
off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher.&nbsp; As such, if people are =
driving=20
quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and causing problems, then it is the =

geocachers that are doing it=85.not the off-road enthusiast.&nbsp;=20
(DUH!)
<SPAN=20
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Arial">&nbsp;
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now=85the =
above statement=20
is about as stupid as the one that Jean (roadrunners?) wrote, IMO.&nbsp; =
She is,=20
in my opinion, a dangerous element when it comes to these types of=20
discussions.&nbsp; Finger pointing is NOT the way to solve the =
problem.&nbsp;=20
Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH depend on public access to =
public=20
land.&nbsp; Without it, we are both without a place to recreate (unless =
you want=20
to geocache or ramp ricers in the city).
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So=85.my =
advice to dear=20
Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit and stop trying to =
alienate=20
those that may very well be her best ally in this fight to keep our =
public lands=20
open and accessible.&nbsp; 
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes=85.both =
off-road=20
enthusiasts and geocachers share a common element=85.the moron that =
drives around=20
on public land with complete disregard for the land or the laws=85..and =
as she=20
said=85the ones that toss fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at =
least she=20
got one thing correct). &nbsp;Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, =
she=20
will, IMO, not come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be=20
now.
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">She has yet =
to figure=20
out that what she is doing is exactly what the greenie folks =
want=85.divide the=20
opposition into small in-fighting fractured segments and then pick them =
off, one=20
at a time.&nbsp; As the old saying goes, =93United we stand, divided we=20
fall=94.&nbsp; I wish someone would explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) =
before she=20
helps us all to death.
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Timber=20
Chucker!
<SPAN=20
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Arial">&nbsp;
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">p.s.&nbsp; =
Kyle, if you=20
want to filter this back towards the source of your original post, =
please feel=20
free to do so.&nbsp; It will take a ton of talking to convince me that I =
am=20
wrong on this subject.
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;
<DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">Stu Olson
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy"><A=20
href=3D"www.stu-offroad.com">www.stu-offroad.com</A></D=
IV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">&nbsp;
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
Message----- From: =
Kyle Hagan=20
[mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com] <SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 =
3:38=20
PM To: 'AzVJC=20
Website' Subject: =
[az_vjc] High=20
Tech scavenger hunt article.
&nbsp;
<DIV>
<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;I thought the list =
might be=20
interested in what some of the people on AzGeocaching.com is responding =
about=20
this article:</DIV>
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&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
&nbsp;</DIV>
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<SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Perhaps the article should =
have been=20
written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite=20
correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are =
in areas=20
where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. =
But when=20
you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans =
by the=20
case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the =
trouble=20
to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice =
and leave=20
it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same =
idiots who=20
throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else =
will=20
pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article: An off =
road=20
vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the =
offroaders are=20
destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs =
the slobs=20
can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and=20
vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the=20
window.... Jean roadrunners<FONT=20
face=3DArial> =
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face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Your use =
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